Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[frankblack]

12 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I think there is plenty of false information being put on forms to avoid having to isolate, or being detected not isolating.  You would think that if this crisis is enough of a national security issue that we are being ordered to stay home, then they should be able to seize the Airlines data as required.

 

You would hope so, plus put a warrant out on the passengers who have falsified their travel documents to stop them returning home if they are visiting.

 

I think its crystal clear the WM Government need to get their head out of the sand and enforce hotel quarantine for all arrivals then you take falsified documents out of the equation going forward.

[frankblack]

1 hour ago, Hugh Phamism said:

Again, no red or pink areas on the map. However, the new levels after lockdown have been revised and Falkirk, West Lothian, Clacks, Renfrew, etc are still over the 150/100000 threshold for Level 3 on exit.

 

 

 

Going by the SG criteria if West Lothian is a level 3 then they must make the entire Lothian Region level 3.

[brunstanejambo]

11 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I think there is plenty of false information being put on forms to avoid having to isolate, or being detected not isolating.  You would think that if this crisis is enough of a national security issue that we are being ordered to stay home, then they should be able to seize the Airlines data as required.

My Mrs pointed out to me that it may not even be people providing false information - it might just be that they have bad handwriting and their track and trace forms are hard to decipher. I know that my own handwriting is undecipherable at times. 

As you say though, if this is a bad/big enough crisis then track and trace should be able to get airline data. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

12 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Going by the SG criteria if West Lothian is a level 3 then they must make the entire Lothian Region level 3.

Edited March 3, 2021 by The Real Maroonblood

[Taffin]

7 minutes ago, jonesy said:

It's a classic case of violating the rights of one or two people in order to protect the majority. 

 

Have you come to see it that the majority need protected? I'm still not sold on that if I'm honest despite trying to get behind it all.

 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

I'm not really bothered one way or another, TBH. We've seen quite clearly in the last 12 months that hitherto democratic and liberal governments can and will run roughshod over civil liberties in the name of 'protecting' people. Anything they do from here on in will not surprise me. I guess that's the level of government we should come to expect in the future now the precedent has been set. I don't see it as protecting the majority, nor do I see it as necessary, but that's how it comes packaged, possibly with good intentions behind it. For me, that's not how government should work, but that seems to be at odds with what the majority in this country seem to want and/or need.

 

👍👍

 

Picked you up wrongly sorry, thought maybe you'd had a change of viewpoint. Good post ^^^^

 

It's a bit concerning that it would now be seen okay to erode other liberties just because we've eroded 'bigger' ones already, but in this instance I do think it's odd that they can't just get access to the flight manifest and think it would be sensible to do (if that's the route we're on, which it is)

[Shanks said no]

Highland Show cancelled, shame as its a huge beer garden

[milky_26]

22 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'm not really bothered one way or another, TBH. We've seen quite clearly in the last 12 months that hitherto democratic and liberal governments can and will run roughshod over civil liberties in the name of 'protecting' people. Anything they do from here on in will not surprise me. I guess that's the level of government we should come to expect in the future now the precedent has been set. I don't see it as protecting the majority, nor do I see it as necessary, but that's how it comes packaged, possibly with good intentions behind it. For me, that's not how government should work, but that seems to be at odds with what the majority in this country seem to want and/or need.

didn't you post earlier that anyone refusing the vaccine should have their access to the nhs (or similar) removed? if so doesn't that make you a massive hypocrite 

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 hours ago, Brian Dundas said:

In 8 weeks time we will all be looking at level 1!!

 

We have to be cautious, Brian. Lifting restrictions too early may risk us going back into lockdown.😎

[Back to 2005]

39 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Highland Show cancelled, shame as its a huge beer garden

Another sign that this isn't ending any time soon.

[Enzo Chiefo]

26 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

As you know that is my view, however I feel the tiers system is going to be a complete farce as you simply can't safely come out of lockdown into what was previously tier 1. As I said yesterday Boris's plan looks much more sustainable.

Yes, completely agree. If the figures keep improving we may end up abandoning the tiers and aligning with the English plan  

[The Real Maroonblood]

16 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Another sign that this isn't ending any time soon.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 hours ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day stats:

 

		Pre-	7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Lockdown	Today	Yesterday			1 Mar	28 Feb	27 Feb	26 Feb	25 Feb	...	20 Dec
Scotland			71	76	-5		78	84	89	94	100	...	98
Clackmannanshire	4	3	151	144	+7		126	138	130	147	151	...	148
Falkirk	4	2	146	158	-12		162	172	178	191	196	...	60
Stirling	4	3	140	155	-15		155	154	148	148	141	...	70
West Lothian	4	3	120	126	-6		128	130	139	151	166	...	83
North Lanarkshire	4	3	112	115	-3		122	131	144	153	167	...	119
Renfrewshire	4	3	110	117	-7		121	132	130	135	138	...	116
Glasgow City	4	3	105	110	-5		113	123	128	132	143	...	129
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	100	118	-18		128	142	154	162	178	...	120
Midlothian	4	3	94	105	-11		106	112	128	135	147	...	136
South Lanarkshire	4	3	93	95	-2		96	102	110	116	123	...	120
East Lothian	4	3	91	100	-9		95	115	124	119	118	...	148
East Renfrewshire	4	3	84	83	+1		75	92	85	94	117	...	101
East Ayrshire	4	3	80	81	-1		88	98	114	124	146	...	153
North Ayrshire	4	3	76	72	+4		74	79	94	109	116	...	175
Dundee City	4	3	65	74	-9		70	68	64	56	56	...	113
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	60	69	-9		77	88	88	96	99	...	70
Home of the Famous	4	3	59	63	-4		67	74	79	87	91	...	109
Perth & Kinross	4	3	55	58	-3		60	58	61	63	61	...	126
Fife	4	3	51	56	-5		58	61	62	69	65	...	97
Inverclyde	4	2	50	51	-1		55	55	57	51	46	...	59
Angus	4	2	43	44	-1		46	50	53	40	46	...	37
South Ayrshire	4	3	43	45	-2		49	56	60	65	72	...	98
Moray	4	1	38	40	-2		38	45	56	56	53	...	13
Aberdeen City	4	3	26	29	-3		29	28	25	25	25	...	163
Highland	4/3	1	26	32	-6		30	33	39	45	49	...	17
Argyll & Bute	4/3	2	22	17	+5		17	14	15	12	14	...	29
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	19	26	-7		32	34	34	43	50	...	32
Scottish Borders	4	1	17	16	+1		15	17	21	30	35	...	85
Na h-Eileanan Siar	4	1	15	22	-7		34	30	34	30	37	...	22
Aberdeenshire	4	3	14	17	-3		18	25	28	30	35	...	88
Orkney Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	0	0	0	0	...	0
Shetland Islands	3	1	0	0	0		0	0	0	0	0	...	0
7-day averages
Tests			18739	18616	+123		18830	19169	19211	19249	19652	...	16839
Positivity rate %			3.5	3.7	-0.2		3.8	4.0	4.2	4.4	4.6	...	5.2
Hospital (non-ICU)			779	814	-35		852	894	933	965	1005	...	975
ICU			76	79	-3		83	87	90	94	96	...	50
Deaths			21	23	-2		26	26	26	28	28	...	25
All Vaccinations			30890	30052	+838		29659	28970	28030	27586	27644
1st Dose			24829	24160	+669		23727	23108	22501	22397	23002
2nd Dose			6061	5892	+169		5932	5862	5529	5189	4642

lol good one took me while to see it ..." home of the famous "   

3 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

No - In Scotland. The deaths had been recorded by National Records Scotland, but because of the absence of identifying information about NHS ids, they had been omitted from the Public Health Scotland daily updates on deaths as reported at the briefings.  That went up to 7.371 today (7,144 yesterday, +35 daily deaths + 172 historical deaths). 

Cheers for that explanation 

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

I'm not really bothered one way or another, TBH. We've seen quite clearly in the last 12 months that hitherto democratic and liberal governments can and will run roughshod over civil liberties in the name of 'protecting' people. Anything they do from here on in will not surprise me. I guess that's the level of government we should come to expect in the future now the precedent has been set. I don't see it as protecting the majority, nor do I see it as necessary, but that's how it comes packaged, possibly with good intentions behind it. For me, that's not how government should work, but that seems to be at odds with what the majority in this country seem to want and/or need.

Yes its opened a Pandoras box now.  Most Govt probably cant believe how easy it was to lock people up in their houses and restrict their most of their civil liberties and freedoms. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

lol good one took me while to see it ..." home of the famous "   

Cheers for that explanation 

Yes its opened a Pandoras box now.  Most Govt probably cant believe how easy it was to lock people up in their houses and restrict their most of their civil liberties and freedoms. 

I've saved a fortune but I really just want to spend spend.

😜

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

I've saved a fortune but I really just want to spend spend.

😜

Exactly the same as me. Saved loads in the last year . One positive and another is ive hardly had a drink. Think i can count on my 5 hands how many hangovers ive had   

[JudyJudyJudy]

 

 

Well, well. Good news!

 

 

"The United States' CDC says this is your risk of dying from Covid if you develop it:

 

0-19 years old ... 0.00003 (99.997 percent survival rate)

20-49 years old ... 0.0002 (99.98 percent survival rate)

50-69 years old ... 0.005 (99.5 percent survival rate)

70+ years old ... 0.054 (94.6 percent survival rate)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly the same as me. Saved loads in the last year . One positive and another is ive hardly had a drink. Think i can count on my 5 hands how many hangovers ive had   

Have a few drinks in the house but it's not the same. 

22 weeks this  Friday since last pint and that's when the pubs closed. 😭

[Gizmo]

2 hours ago, Brian Dundas said:

If you consider the civil liberties that we have all had removed from us, then some data protection issue for air travel is WAY down the list.

If it was a Virgin flight, just ask British Airways for the data
 

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Well, yeah. Duh. 

 

 

(I'd actually disband the NHS in its present form, but that's a discussion for another thread...)

Unlock the borders and disband the NHS? You're not standing for election I do hope...
 

33 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Totally agree, it’s time to have difficult conversation for the long term betterment, 
 

I also think we need something which is more proactive and focusing on education and positive health behaviours than just the reactive nature of NHS. We could save fortunes and improve so much more with a preventative attitude.

 

As you say for another thread.  
 

 

The only outcome of that "difficult conversation" will be expensive private healthcare and turning the NHS into an extremely basic, skeleton service. The vultures have been circling for years just waiting as it is. 

[Alan_R]

Anyone who exercises or into their fitness and contracts covid, here is a word of warning:

 

I wish I hadn't read this but I'm glad I did!

 

I was still grinding out treadmill workouts but as the article explains covid is no normal virus. It goes against everything id normally do but I'm completely resting for the long-term good.

 

https://www.runnersworld.com/health-injuries/a33822804/exercise-myocarditis-and-covid-19/

 

[kila]

31 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

 

 

Well, well. Good news!

 

 

"The United States' CDC says this is your risk of dying from Covid if you develop it:

 

0-19 years old ... 0.00003 (99.997 percent survival rate)

20-49 years old ... 0.0002 (99.98 percent survival rate)

50-69 years old ... 0.005 (99.5 percent survival rate)

70+ years old ... 0.054 (94.6 percent survival rate)

 

Source or are you just copying random stuff from Facebook?

 

I can only find this on the CDC site: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Have a few drinks in the house but it's not the same. 

22 weeks this  Friday since last pint and that's when the pubs closed. 😭

Exactly  I love the banter and music n the pub with mates and randoms and how the night just can go mad in a controlled way !! Last time i got reeking was Oct 3rd ! Lothian road on  a Monday night of all nights. Was a great night. Pubs were only open till 11pm  2 weeks later they were all closed.  

[Dagger Is Back]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

 

 

Well, well. Good news!

 

 

"The United States' CDC says this is your risk of dying from Covid if you develop it:

 

0-19 years old ... 0.00003 (99.997 percent survival rate)

20-49 years old ... 0.0002 (99.98 percent survival rate)

50-69 years old ... 0.005 (99.5 percent survival rate)

70+ years old ... 0.054 (94.6 percent survival rate)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Where do this figs come from? Have you got a link?

 

They don’t add up or have I had too much 🍻?

 

If the 70+ have a survival rate of 94.6%.....

[Weakened Offender]

3 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

We have to be cautious, Brian. Lifting restrictions too early may risk us going back into lockdown.😎

 

Jeez. Someone has nicked Enzo's phone. 😕

[Enzo Chiefo]

42 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Jeez. Someone has nicked Enzo's phone. 😕

😂

[Jambof3tornado]

2nd pfizer jag received today. When can I get back into tynecastle???

[JudyJudyJudy]

And in other news the sky is Blue 

 

 

Edited March 3, 2021 by JamesM48

[Taffin]

13 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

And in other news the sky is Blue 

 

 

 

Interesting that countries in that article with less overweight people are poorer than those with higher levels of overweight people. Maybe the link between poverty and obesity is correlation and not causation afterall/not actually true (?).

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Have a few drinks in the house but it's not the same. 

22 weeks this  Friday since last pint and that's when the pubs closed. 😭

Boo hoo!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Taffin]

7 hours ago, Brian Dundas said:

Are you saying poverty is comparable across all countries and cultures?

 

No. I'm just being flippant.

[GinRummy]

8 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said:

2nd pfizer jag received today. When can I get back into tynecastle???

How long since your first one?

[milky_26]

13 hours ago, jonesy said:

Well, yeah. Duh. 

 

 

(I'd actually disband the NHS in its present form, but that's a discussion for another thread...)

i agree the nhs does need changes to modernise it like any elective surgery should not be free. but yeah that is a discussion for another thread

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Boo hoo!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The other half would agree.😏

 

[Ray Gin]

13 minutes ago, Barack said:

Missus gets her jab today. Still can't understand how...but I'd assume they can clarify that at the clinic.🤷‍♂️

 

By injection in the upper arm.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Ray Gin

[redjambo]

13 minutes ago, Barack said:

Missus gets her jab today. Still can't understand how...but I'd assume they can clarify that at the clinic.🤷‍♂️

 

It will probably be an intramuscular injection in her arm.

 

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

By injection in the upper arm.

 

Just now, redjambo said:

 

It will probably be an intramuscular injection in her arm.

 

 

Darn it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

It will probably be an intramuscular injection in her arm.

 

Yes same area as the flu jab 

[JudyJudyJudy]

No do sure about the “ great reset” stuff but I found this fascinating : 

 

 

HERE IN A MASS GRAVE LIE HALF THE POPULATION OF THE VILLAGE OF INVER. WHO DIED DURING THE CHOLERA EPIDEMIC OF 1832.

In the fishing village of Portmahomack a few miles from Inver, one-fifth of its inhabitants died. Proportionally Inverness got off lighter with 136 deaths. 

The Inverness Courier reported: “The infection spread with frightful rapidity. In Inver, though the population did not much exceed a hundred persons, eleven bodies were committed to the earth without shroud or coffin in one day; in two days after they had buried nineteen more. 
 

Many survivors fled from the village, leaving behind them the dead and the dying, and took shelter, some in the woods and some among the hollows of an extensive track of sandhills. But the pest followed them to their hiding place, and they expired in the open air. Whole families were found lying dead on their cottage floors. In one instance an infant, the only survivor, lay grovelling on the body of its mother, wailing feebly among the dead, the sole mourner in the charnel-house of the pestilence.” 

 

Contrast this situation to today’s “pandemic”. According to Public Health Scotland, in 2020 a total of 2,715 annual deaths were recorded in the Highlands, of these only 33 had Covid-19 on their death certificate. PHS also confirmed only 6% of deaths nationally were healthy people. 

We can therefore assume that around 2 people died in the whole of the Highlands (population +230,000) who didn’t have pre-existing health conditions. They also highlight the average age of death being 82, greater than average life expectancy.  
   
In 1832, many people in Inver felt the reason the cholera outbreak finally came to an end was due to the courage of two men who saw it as a cloud, captured it in a sheet and buried it. A similar “capture” of cholera happened around the same time in the nearby village of ****.

 

Today’s superstition is that around 80% of people with the latest “deadly pandemic” have it, but don’t know they have it. Only finding out after taking not fit for purpose PCR tests which over-amplify COVID results to give false positives that even the World Health Organisation acknowledge is too high. 

 

Today’s superstitious also hope that the end of the “deadly pandemic” which has a 99% and above survival rate, will come from an experimental vaccine that has skipped the usual drug trials, leap-frogged over the usual testing time frame and offers no guarantees as to its long-term safety.

This is not a pandemic, it is a SCAMdemic. Supported by Big Pharma and backed up by the power of mass media. Emotional manipulation will always outweigh critical thinking and common sense which in turn clouds the conclusion that the real pandemic will come from the suicide rates and unnecessary deaths from untreated heart disease, lung problems, late cancer diagnosis, drug abuse, poverty, a tsunami of mental health issues and the crushing of all the small to medium businesses to the benefit of big corporate entities. 

People over the years have always wondered how it was possible for the Nazi party to brainwash an entire nation, we can now see it happening before our very eyes.

 

The aim of all this is becoming clearer by the day, to crash the world economies and use fear and safety as cover to implement the WEF’s “Great Reset” agenda, produced by Klaus Schwab. Most people are totally uninformed as to the Great Reset which is either ignored or put down as some mad “conspiracy theory” This is not a “conspiracy theory” it is being done openly, in front of our eyes, all you need to do is look at the WEF website and listen to gov’t spokespeople.

 

Matt Hancock - Jan 26, 2018 “Delighted we’ve agreed to work even closer with the World Economic Forum & their Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution to help make AI work for everyone”.

Once you understand that, everything they do and are planning to do makes perfect sense. 

 

I hope those that are believers in these lockdowns and dystopian rules will realise soon, that this has NOTHING to do with health and will never stop until we push back. Standing together and fighting back like countless people all over the world is the only way to stop this inhuman world they’re trying to unleash on us!

[The Real Maroonblood]

12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

No do sure about the “ great reset” stuff but I found this fascinating : 

 

 

HERE IN A MASS GRAVE LIE HALF THE POPULATION OF THE VILLAGE OF INVER. WHO DIED DURING THE CHOLERA EPIDEMIC OF 1832.

In the fishing village of Portmahomack a few miles from Inver, one-fifth of its inhabitants died. Proportionally Inverness got off lighter with 136 deaths. 

The Inverness Courier reported: “The infection spread with frightful rapidity. In Inver, though the population did not much exceed a hundred persons, eleven bodies were committed to the earth without shroud or coffin in one day; in two days after they had buried nineteen more. 
 

Many survivors fled from the village, leaving behind them the dead and the dying, and took shelter, some in the woods and some among the hollows of an extensive track of sandhills. But the pest followed them to their hiding place, and they expired in the open air. Whole families were found lying dead on their cottage floors. In one instance an infant, the only survivor, lay grovelling on the body of its mother, wailing feebly among the dead, the sole mourner in the charnel-house of the pestilence.” 

 

Contrast this situation to today’s “pandemic”. According to Public Health Scotland, in 2020 a total of 2,715 annual deaths were recorded in the Highlands, of these only 33 had Covid-19 on their death certificate. PHS also confirmed only 6% of deaths nationally were healthy people. 

We can therefore assume that around 2 people died in the whole of the Highlands (population +230,000) who didn’t have pre-existing health conditions. They also highlight the average age of death being 82, greater than average life expectancy.  
   
In 1832, many people in Inver felt the reason the cholera outbreak finally came to an end was due to the courage of two men who saw it as a cloud, captured it in a sheet and buried it. A similar “capture” of cholera happened around the same time in the nearby village of ****.

 

Today’s superstition is that around 80% of people with the latest “deadly pandemic” have it, but don’t know they have it. Only finding out after taking not fit for purpose PCR tests which over-amplify COVID results to give false positives that even the World Health Organisation acknowledge is too high. 

 

Today’s superstitious also hope that the end of the “deadly pandemic” which has a 99% and above survival rate, will come from an experimental vaccine that has skipped the usual drug trials, leap-frogged over the usual testing time frame and offers no guarantees as to its long-term safety.

This is not a pandemic, it is a SCAMdemic. Supported by Big Pharma and backed up by the power of mass media. Emotional manipulation will always outweigh critical thinking and common sense which in turn clouds the conclusion that the real pandemic will come from the suicide rates and unnecessary deaths from untreated heart disease, lung problems, late cancer diagnosis, drug abuse, poverty, a tsunami of mental health issues and the crushing of all the small to medium businesses to the benefit of big corporate entities. 

People over the years have always wondered how it was possible for the Nazi party to brainwash an entire nation, we can now see it happening before our very eyes.

 

The aim of all this is becoming clearer by the day, to crash the world economies and use fear and safety as cover to implement the WEF’s “Great Reset” agenda, produced by Klaus Schwab. Most people are totally uninformed as to the Great Reset which is either ignored or put down as some mad “conspiracy theory” This is not a “conspiracy theory” it is being done openly, in front of our eyes, all you need to do is look at the WEF website and listen to gov’t spokespeople.

 

Matt Hancock - Jan 26, 2018 “Delighted we’ve agreed to work even closer with the World Economic Forum & their Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution to help make AI work for everyone”.

Once you understand that, everything they do and are planning to do makes perfect sense. 

 

I hope those that are believers in these lockdowns and dystopian rules will realise soon, that this has NOTHING to do with health and will never stop until we push back. Standing together and fighting back like countless people all over the world is the only way to stop this inhuman world they’re trying to unleash on us!

It’s amazing what people will believe.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I can't believe I just waisted my time reading that. I presume it was from well before wave two as the figures are now higher than in the 'article'

No sure I just thought it was fascinating about the earlier cholera outbreak really . Couldn’t be bothered cutting out the other stuff 

[jambo89]

16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

No sure I just thought it was fascinating about the earlier cholera outbreak really . Couldn’t be bothered cutting out the other stuff 

 

Have you got a link to the CDC figures you mentioned? Can't seem to find it?

[Nucky Thompson]

16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

No sure I just thought it was fascinating about the earlier cholera outbreak really . Couldn’t be bothered cutting out the other stuff 

The bit about the cholera outbreak was interesting, but when I got to the bit about untested vaccines, Pharma companies and Nazis 

[DETTY29]

And when the government considers introducing legislation to reduce fat in ready meals, tins etc by 20%, reducing obesity in UK by 4.5m it will be argued that personal choice and freedom to do as we please is greater than the overall health of the nation.

 

And forever the wheel turns.

[Victorian]

Just as Germany hinted months ago,  it looks like the EU as a bloc are exploring a way to go towards the Russian vaccine.  Germany probably foresaw the EU's vaccine poverty and is probably the main protagonist behind this now.  

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

And when the government considers introducing legislation to reduce fat in ready meals, tins etc by 20%, reducing obesity in UK by 4.5m it will be argued that personal choice and freedom to do as we please is greater than the overall health of the nation.

 

And forever the wheel turns.

 

Fat doesn't make people fat. Too many calories do. If people want to eat 3500 calories a day, they will just eat more of things. We need to educate people from a young age on how to cook and what to cook imo. Also helping people have more work-life balance and less stress would help massively too.

 

Placing the overall health of a nation over individual rights can quickly become quite sinister and dangerous so I'm wary of that sort of thing.

[JudyJudyJudy]

17 minutes ago, jambo89 said:

 

Have you got a link to the CDC figures you mentioned? Can't seem to find it?

No I’ll need to ask my friend who sent me it . It’s maybe not that accurate but not far off the Mark really 

[JudyJudyJudy]

On a training course today “ suicide awareness “ ! It was the leading cause of death for men under 50 in 2018 in the U.K. I wonder what the stats were for last year ? 

[jambo89]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

No I’ll need to ask my friend who sent me it . It’s maybe not that accurate but not far off the Mark really 

 

Ah, so it's made up! Got you now.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by jambo89

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

If the vaccine works then they should get it from whoever can provide it. It is important for us that Europe and indeed the World is vaccinated successfully.

 

I think the Russian vaccine is already doing and will continue to do a lot of the heavy lifting for global coverage.  There should probably have been a hell of a lot more pragmatism and humilty from everyone regarding it's use.  From the outset.  The EU treating it like a sort of lifeboat option is an admission of failure of pragmatism.

[Ray Gin]

10 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

On a training course today “ suicide awareness “ ! It was the leading cause of death for men under 50 in 2018 in the U.K. I wonder what the stats were for last year ? 

 

Big Pharma scam. Just trying to punt anti-depressants.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, jambo89 said:

 

Ah so you it's made up! Got you now.

 

 

Lol 

 

16 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Big Pharma scam. Just trying to punt anti-depressants.

 

That’s very empathic of you ! I think the whole point of preventing suicides is by letting the person discuss their feelings and work on a plan for them to feel better . With limited use of any anti depressants .