DETTY29 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) Thursday is the day you can broadly do a comparison as to how all the 4 nations are doing with their vaccination deployment plans as NHS England release their figures to close Sunday. Scotland and Wales daily so you can use figures released on Monday. Northern Ireland are more ad-hoc but released broken down figures on 24th, so have a 3 day advantage on the other 3 nations. Thanks to @Footballfirstfor providing the headline targets as per the SAGE modelling paper as follows. - Care Home Residents (95%); Care Home Workers (85%); 80+ (95%); 50-80 (85%); Under 50 - (75%) The current position is (previous week in brackets) expressed as percentage of first dose vaccines administered. England (weekly) and Wales (daily) rebaseline figures; Scotland has rebaselined their figures once; Northern Ireland still working off original baseline ENG SCO WAL NIR ECHR 90 (87) 103 (101) 84 (82) Met as offered ECHS 69 (65) 94 (91) 86 (85) Met as offered FLHC 77 (73) 126 (123) 86 (83) Met as offered FLSC 54 (DNR) Inc above Can't calculate Met as offered 80+ 94 (91) 102 (100) 91 (90) 95 (94) 75 - 79 100 (96) 107 (102) 93 (91) 90 (88) 70 - 74 94 (70) 97 (88) 92 (90) 84 (75) CEV 86 (84) 86 (80) 84 (81) 22 (39) 65 - 69 DNR 80 (58) DNR 69 (62) Key shout outs for me is that the call from the PM, Matt Hancock and various ministers the week before last for the over 70s to come forward in England has been a huge success but significant challenges persist in Elderly Care Homes and NHS / Social Care staff. The NHS England base front line staff figure has been reduced by 600k which I believe is the removal of Bank, Agency staff. Data for anyone interested, want to challenge Edited February 25, 2021 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Not every country has had lockdowns or at least not as restrictive as the UK It doesn't require every country to bring down the average numbers for a continent. If it was purely seasonal we'd see it affecting the different hemispheres at different points of the year. We certainly wouldn't see numbers drop in Europe in the middle of the coldest season. Edited February 25, 2021 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 19 hours ago, redjambo said: Guys, I'm going to take a break from this thread for a wee while, so I won't be posting my stats and spreadsheets (I'm sure you'll all be fine and the earth will keep on spinning ). The accusation recently voiced on here that I was a bully today has hit home given that I was bullied, mercilessly at times, at school, and I'd hate to think that folk thought that I was bullying when I expressed my thoughts to James earlier. It serves me right though. I've PMed James. He's a good guy and we had a chat to clear the air. I know, I'm being a bit of a drama queen, but I really do need to take a break from this thread as it does my head in at times. All the best to you all with your continued analysis and discussion of the pandemic and our recovery from it. i didn’t think your part in this was bullying - I disagreed with the content in your post but the tone just seemed harsh/barbed but nothing out the ordinary that we’ve probably all done at some point the mention of bullying in my opinion referred to the rest of the posters piling in on the back of your post with such apparent glee - not your fault and says more about them than it does about you or James - and probably says most about the medium of Internet forums havent had a chance to catch up yet so maybe you and/or your spreadsheet has made an appearance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Did she, I’d love to see a link to that. You'd love to see it because you are interested or you don't believe it? https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.stv.tv/scotland/travel-brought-supressed-coronavirus-back-to-scotland%3ftop& https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18931916.scotland-close-eliminating-coronavirus-travel-brought-new-strains/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.stv.tv/scotland/travel-brought-supressed-coronavirus-back-to-scotland%3ftop& https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-55245314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Sturgeon said it was 'nearly eradicated' and blamed travel from England and abroad. So she didn't claim it was eradicated then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: i didn’t think your part in this was bullying - I disagreed with the content in your post but the tone just seemed harsh/barbed but nothing out the ordinary that we’ve probably all done at some point the mention of bullying in my opinion referred to the rest of the posters piling in on the back of your post with such apparent glee - not your fault and says more about them than it does about you or James - and probably says most about the medium of Internet forums havent had a chance to catch up yet so maybe you and/or your spreadsheet has made an appearance 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: You'd love to see it because you are interested or you don't believe it? https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.stv.tv/scotland/travel-brought-supressed-coronavirus-back-to-scotland%3ftop& https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18931916.scotland-close-eliminating-coronavirus-travel-brought-new-strains/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.stv.tv/scotland/travel-brought-supressed-coronavirus-back-to-scotland%3ftop& https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-55245314 Also from a Currant Bun article in October. Speaking on Friday, Ms Sturgeon said: "This is a virus that obviously travels across borders very easily. "And I suspect, over the summer, we did get very close to elimination in Scotland. "And then - not entirely - but we've re-seeded it from travel across the UK and internationally. "So, border control, I think, is an important consideration here. "There are ongoing discussions with the UK government about border control internationally and also more recently we've been trying to have discussions about how we coordinate our messages on travel within the UK." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: You'd love to see it because you are interested or you don't believe it? https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.stv.tv/scotland/travel-brought-supressed-coronavirus-back-to-scotland%3ftop& https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18931916.scotland-close-eliminating-coronavirus-travel-brought-new-strains/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.stv.tv/scotland/travel-brought-supressed-coronavirus-back-to-scotland%3ftop& https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-55245314 I think you should read your links properly. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Eradicated not mentioned once in any link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: If I watch that clip will I actually hear the word eradicated? No idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said: That’s two other people using the word eradicated 🤷♂️ He's pretty much eradicated his argument here. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, jonesy said: Let's hope the packers in Russia don't get the Sputnik and the Novichok batches mixed up. They could hand deliver the vaccine as well, might even have time to take in some sight seeing of Cathedral Spires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: I would like the Record to show I was piling in on James before Red’s post. Thank you. Oh so that makes it ok ? Bizarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Interesting article https://www.aier.org/article/how-does-all-of-this-end/?fbclid=IwAR3Qq5ABznaF6QwGqW0Kze-2FbqgqA1bZelO1pEYqHOvyOF6hHNorbe6giU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, jonesy said: Have ordered you your outfit for the Covid Thread meetup fancy dress party. If i get an invite this may be me........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Victorian said: I seem to remember Germany had been said to be open to the use of the Russian vaccine. Not sure if they could have gone it alone or if they are fully constrained within the EU procurement of vaccines. The Russian vaccine will be the workhorse of the global programme. It will end up vaccinating areas of the world that, in turn, will end up aiding us. If Hungary, Poland, Czech Rep & Slovakia can use the Russian vaccine then there shouldn't be anything apart from the sheer embarrassment of it to stop the Germans from using it either. They won't though, not least because the EU & Moscow are having a bit of a spat just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: I would like the Record to show I was piling in on James before Red’s post. Thank you. i think you came in on the back of it too - and then apologised so maybe you felt a bit uncomfortable about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, jonesy said: Cancelling the chianti order... LOL...ill feel safer in there from the tomatos or pints maybe fired my way,,,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Weakened Offender said: It's definitely not allowed but you'll get away with it. Loads are doing it. Other parents might have a problem with it but I doubt it, they will maybe make an excuse but you'll not get any flak. Loads of kids are playing football on both Harrison Parks and the Meadows and Inverleith Park was mobbed the other day too. Go for it. 👍 As long as the parents keep their distances from each other That's the issue at schools.... parents not keeping apart when collecting children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 BBC Horizon coronavirus special just ending. Well worth a watch on the iplayer because it's been an impressively comprehensive evaluation of every aspect and implication of the pandemic and it's public health effects. Real science. Real biology, virology, epidemiology, immunology. No agendas. No spin. No Teletubbies critical thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Slog Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 @Dorothy gets her second jab in Kansas within the hour. I've had my blue letter, so I get my first tomorrow at the EICC. Can there be anything more romantic than getting your jabs together, 5000 miles apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, CJGJ said: As long as the parents keep their distances from each other That's the issue at schools.... parents not keeping apart when collecting children Agreed. It's not easy though, a lot of schools have limited space at collection time. There's only so far you can stagger the entry and exiting of 300 kids too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Hospital and death numbers are all that matters. " Cases" aka as infections are almost irrelevant but as ive said numerous times before it certainly makes the headlines. You say infections in the young may go up but its irreverent as the most vulinerable should all have been vaccinated and far less likely to die or be in hospital. I don’t think you or I can say whether cases are irrelevant or not in young people. They might be a risk worth taking of could be a chance for the virus to keep going and mutate. Add to that some young people will suffer badly from infection - it might be a small percentage but would you want to live with the decision where someone’s son or daughter dies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Entirely comfortable with my actions Quite. It's ridiculous how this has played out today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Brian Dundas said: Positive test results are not irrelevant, they are the indicator of what is going to happen next. We are a long way off it being irrelevant as it puts young people in hospitals too. Infection rates among young people are of far less importance than when the vulnerable were susceptible. There may be a small percentage who go to hospital but nothing that justifies restricting the movement of the vast majority. It's not that long ago , when rising infections were not feeding through to hospitalisations, that we were told.."aah but that's because it's young people who are being infected, eventually it will spread to the old and vulnerable ". They can't have it both ways. I understand that they want the population to keep going for a few more weeks but they need to ramp down the scaremongering that doesn't have any basis in reality. We hear about hypothetical variations but nothing about the fact that the most natural variation will be when it mutates to a version akin to the common cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said: I would like the Record to show I was piling in on James before Red’s post. Thank you. I have just caught up with yesterdays events on this. Unsure if James was bullied as this means : "seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable)." From what read on this hes hardly "vulnerable". In fact is a bit of a tough nut to deal with the crap piled on him yesterday and previous other times if i recall correctly. Yes hes a bit cranky, outre and off kilter at times but thats part of his charm Reds post enabled the pitch fork / lynch mob to come out in force and really vent their " dislike" not only of his postings but him as person it seemed ( well as far as you can know anyone online). I do not think Red did this deliberately but nevertheless it created the situation. There were some Pretty shameful behaviors. There is a disturbing and angry chasm on this thread between the lockdown brigade and the anti lockdown brigade. However James alluded to not wanting to mention the " b" word which is strong evidence he was bullied ( intimidated about the reaction if he did so therefore only mentioned this after Jonesy made a passing reference to it) . Not a great day on this usually interesting . humorous and educational forum. It has seen better ones. I am not wanting to stir up a hornets nest again as it seems now to have abated but this is just my observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: Red's post enabled the pitch fork / lynch mob to come out in force and really vent their " dislike" not only of his postings but him as person it seemed ( well as far as you can know anyone online). I do not think Red did this deliberately but nevertheless it created the situation. There were some Pretty shameful behaviors. There is a disturbing and angry chasm on this thread between the lockdown brigade and the anti lockdown brigade. However James alluded to not wanting to mention the " b" word which is strong evidence he was bullied ( intimidated about the reaction if he did so therefore only mentioned this after Jonesy made a passing reference to it) Impressive cherry-picking there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: There is a difference now with this new variant transmitting more than before December versions, so more young can get sick faster. It less of an issue than before but it does risk hospitals filling up and new more dangerous variants. I’m not denying things are getting better and we will stop looking so closely at cases. You are right in saying I have never heard any reputable scientists mention it becoming the common cold. I get the feeling you are an glass is half empty type of guy. Unbelievable posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said: Impressive cherry-picking there. Aye you'll know a lot about that mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 46 minutes ago, Victorian said: BBC Horizon coronavirus special just ending. Well worth a watch on the iplayer because it's been an impressively comprehensive evaluation of every aspect and implication of the pandemic and it's public health effects. Real science. Real biology, virology, epidemiology, immunology. No agendas. No spin. No Teletubbies critical thinking. Thanks for the heads up I’ll try and watch it tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Robbofan99 said: Aye you'll know a lot about that mate. Aye, just me it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: If i get an invite this may be me........... Id buy you a pint mate. Your far more entertaining than some on this who literally drain the life out of me reading their posts. 🥃🥃🥃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: There is a difference now with this new variant transmitting more than before December versions, so more young can get sick faster. It less of an issue than before but it does risk hospitals filling up and new more dangerous variants. I’m not denying things are getting better and we will stop looking so closely at cases. You are right in saying I have never heard any reputable scientists mention it becoming the common cold. There is no evidence that the new variants are any more dangerous. There has been a lot of talk about new variants that may be more transmissible but that doesn't mean that they are more likely to cause severe illness. As I said, the natural path of these viruses is to becone more transmissible but weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: Entirely comfortable with my actions and heres me thinking we had reached a detente . oh well....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: I have just caught up with yesterdays events on this. Unsure if James was bullied as this means : "seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable)." From what read on this hes hardly "vulnerable". In fact is a bit of a tough nut to deal with the crap piled on him yesterday and previous other times if i recall correctly. Yes hes a bit cranky, outre and off kilter at times but thats part of his charm Reds post enabled the pitch fork / lynch mob to come out in force and really vent their " dislike" not only of his postings but him as person it seemed ( well as far as you can know anyone online). I do not think Red did this deliberately but nevertheless it created the situation. There were some Pretty shameful behaviors. There is a disturbing and angry chasm on this thread between the lockdown brigade and the anti lockdown brigade. However James alluded to not wanting to mention the " b" word which is strong evidence he was bullied ( intimidated about the reaction if he did so therefore only mentioned this after Jonesy made a passing reference to it) . Not a great day on this usually interesting . humorous and educational forum. It has seen better ones. I am not wanting to stir up a hornets nest again as it seems now to have abated but this is just my observations. Cheers . Quite accurate id say. 4 minutes ago, Robbofan99 said: Id buy you a pint mate. Your far more entertaining than some on this who literally drain the life out of me reading their posts. 🥃🥃🥃 Double cheers....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: 35% more deadly, although that sounds worse than it is. You should watch the BBC2 Horizon program from tonight, it explains how the virus could mutate itself safe as it were, but it’s not to do with cold virus. I think the 35% refers to transmissibility not severity of symptoms. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/no-evidence-change-symptoms-new-coronavirus-variant Yes, fair enough, the "common cold" comparison maybe wasn't a good one; the point I tried to make was around the tendency for it to mutate to a weaker version. I will try to have a look at the Horizon programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: I was accused of some sort of discrimination and bullying, I deny both allegations. I apologised if you felt bullied as it was not my intention to make you feel bullied, I had pointed out something in your posts and really invited others to agree if they also saw it, that they did and I could then see how that would make you feel. It is not my fault you posted what you did and others thought it inappropriate maybe. I have received no apology btw The point is why invite others to comment ? Apologise for what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said: Trust me the Horizon program was good, very positive about the fantastic work on vaccines and treatments. Wee bit about Long Covid that might trigger you a wee bit though. Yes, I'll have watch it and report back at the weekend. 👍. Hope there's a warning about the Long Covid trigger though😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said: Entirely comfortable with my actions yeah I understand that my post referred to the past tense your post refers to the present tense you piled in you reflected - that’s a good thing you offered an apology - that’s a good thing james accepted the apology offered - that’s a good thing youre entirely comfortable with your actions - that’s a good thing yes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: I think I only posted it one gif which was a shocked gif after red’s post. Not what I’d consider piling in. I think you posted text as well and you considered it (however it should be termed) worth offering an apology which was accepted so 😃 😃 [that’s you and james once it was resolved] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said: James seams to think my apology is some sort of victory for him and has validated his posts, therefore I withdraw it. Now can we move on. No I haven’t thought that all ! That’s your take on it . I thought it was a goodwill gesture to end the sorry carry on . Disappointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 @redjamboStat Monkey please post your facts and figures again please, very much appreciated by your fellow KBers. There's no need to let the lego squadron's bully boy tactics pressure you off the thread or doubt your post after you stated the truth on a posters performance. He can't handle women, that's his problem, don't make him yours. Haste ye back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Bullied my arse. Things get heated on big topics. We’ve all had an online roasting from time to time. That’s the way the cookie crumbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 7 hours ago, jonesy said: This thread was better when it was just JiH telling us to wash our hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Shocked to learn that Enzo managed to escape the scientific knowledge that the Kent variant causes around 35% more mortality. A gap in the critical thinking. It's not that troubling in truth but it shows the possibilities. The more pleasing possibility is the theory that any likely fully vaccine escaping mutation may well involve the virus becoming less likely to invade human cells. Much less infectious. It bodes well for the security of the vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) An example of the 'lucky miracle' of India's 'age related' low Covid case numbers. As with Australia, New Zealand, it wouldn't necessarily have worked here but more says we couldn't figure out a better approach than we have. Edited February 26, 2021 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: There is no evidence that the new variants are any more dangerous. There has been a lot of talk about new variants that may be more transmissible but that doesn't mean that they are more likely to cause severe illness. As I said, the natural path of these viruses is to becone more transmissible but weaker. Yeah, you've said a lot of things. Have you ever considered maybe admitting you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about? https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187101-coronavirus-pandemic/&do=findComment&comment=7912057 Great call, chief. 1 hour ago, Victorian said: Shocked to learn that Enzo managed to escape the scientific knowledge that the Kent variant causes around 35% more mortality. A gap in the critical thinking. Aye, same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Yeah, you've said a lot of things. Have you ever considered maybe admitting you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about? https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187101-coronavirus-pandemic/&do=findComment&comment=7912057 Great call, chief. Aye, same. I said the same about lockdown. Never for a second thought there would be another one after the first. Completely underestimated the competency of our leaders to replace it with something less blunt and also the populaces ability to keep themselves safe without being made to stay in their house under law. Swing and a miss, from Enzo and I in hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Taffin said: I said the same about lockdown. Never for a second thought there would be another one after the first. Completely underestimated the competency of our leaders to replace it with something less blunt and also the populaces ability to keep themselves safe without being made to stay in their house under law. Swing and a miss, from Enzo and I in hindsight. Hey, I came back to Scotland on 1 November thinking the worst of it was past. I'm the biggest mug on this forum. But you've comported yourself with class on this thread, and you're capable of holding your hands up and learning from new information. No reason to lump yourself into the same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: @redjamboHe can't handle women, that's his problem He has a serious problem with people with weight issues too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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