Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Doctor FinnBarr]

10 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Ok but this is a minority of people now 

 

Its not you know.

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I hear it's the latest dance move at all those illegal raves the papers seem to think are spreading the virus. 

🤣. Yes, sir I can Boogie and Hands Face Space - top tracks of 2020👍

[Doctor FinnBarr]

13 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

He is correct that it is a minority, the significance of the size might be up for debate however. 

 

OK, what is it?

[the general]

17 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

96% of households have internet access, I do not know how many of the 4% are medically exempt from mask wearing. Looks like a minority though. 

 

Wow that seems ridiculously high

[Doctor FinnBarr]

18 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

96% of households have internet access, I do not know how many of the 4% are medically exempt from mask wearing. Looks like a minority though. 

96% doesn't mean that 96% actually have internet

 

[Governor Tarkin]

5 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Rocking it in Thatcher blue 

 

"Let me put it in plain English for you. **** the Hibs, and Neil Lennon is a ****".

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Completely agree, FBS.

 

They've gone for the sentimentalist approach, rather than a practical, pragmatic one which would benefit more people more quickly. 18-65 year olds (except those who have taken early retirement) with work or a recent work history should have been prioritised in order to get the country moving again, from key workers all the way down to the hipster baristas.

 

Having a viable economy ensures there is money in the pot to fund services for the likes of the residents of your dad's care home.

 

What's the grand plan here? Get the auld folk back down the mines and sell the coal to China while the fit and healthy stay at home, saving lives?

Surely every life is sacred irrespective of age , disability , capacity or ability? 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said:

96% of households have internet access, I do not know how many of the 4% are medically exempt from mask wearing. Looks like a minority though. 

Where did u get that stat? Sounds unlikely 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just thinking off the tof my head I know 3 households who don’t 

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

ONS. I don’t know any household without it. 

 

I don't know anyone without access to the internet, either through home broadband or mobile data. I get some people are against it for whatever reason but it's a crucial part of modern life so we can't make decisions to cater to people without it really imo.

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Absolutely.

 

Which is why prioritising the vaccine for those who are most likely to start working, paying taxes and supporting the economy is so important. Furlough and all the related costs of supporting people not to work is costing the country money that could otherwise be poured into healthcare and support services for the vulnerable.  

 

I have two jobs, one I can do from home and one I cannot. The one I cannot do has customers who are willing and able to come to the premises and take the risks associated with living in a pandemic. I am happy to go to work and provide this service. And yet the government is preventing us from doing so, and paying me not work. Meanwhile the steady drip of the overheads are meaning the chances of the business opening again are getting slimmer by the day. If it lasts much longer, the otherwise viable business will have been destroyed not by a pandemic, not by the free market, nor by poor business decisions but by government measures, concern and caution.  

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[sadj]

52 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

"Let me put it in plain English for you. **** the Hibs, and Neil Lennon is a ****".

 

 

❤️

[JyTees]

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/uk-politics/2808067/scottish-vaccine/

 

I take it accepting help from the MoD isn't compatible with the SG's vaccine rollout strategy 🤔

 

Is it acceptable to risk the lives of Scots because it doesn't suit nationalist propoganda? Bad enough they can't bring themselves to utter the word Oxford. That's pathetic and petty but won't do in real harm at the end of the day. This on the other hand?

 

Apparently it doesn't matter if our numbers are lagging behind the rUK. We've got a different strategy according to our resident separatists. That appears to be turning away anything that might highlight the strength of the Union.

 

Fact is, xenophobic posturing from the nationalists is now likely to cost Scottish lives. I wonder how the zealots will bat that away?

[Doctor FinnBarr]

1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said:

A couple of years ago I would have known a couple of households , but not anymore alas. That’s why the % is increasing. 
 

BTW I do know some that can’t use it, others that shouldn’t use it!!

 

Aye, you

[sadj]

16 minutes ago, JyTees said:

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/uk-politics/2808067/scottish-vaccine/

 

I take it accepting help from the MoD isn't compatible with the SG's vaccine rollout strategy 🤔

 

Is it acceptable to risk the lives of Scots because it doesn't suit nationalist propoganda? Bad enough they can't bring themselves to utter the word Oxford. That's pathetic and petty but won't do in real harm at the end of the day. This on the other hand?

 

Apparently it doesn't matter if our numbers are lagging behind the rUK. We've got a different strategy according to our resident separatists. That appears to be turning away anything that might highlight the strength of the Union.

 

Fact is, xenophobic posturing from the nationalists is now likely to cost Scottish lives. I wonder how the zealots will bat that away?

Jesus ****🙈

[JyTees]

3 minutes ago, sadj said:

Jesus ****🙈

 

That's what I thought.

 

 

[sadj]

11 minutes ago, JyTees said:

 

That's what I thought.

 

 

Nope that Jesus **** was at your post and your interpretation of the article which is a headline but not really a story. It is however a question worth asking the SG to fill out info on.

 

To the article if you actually read it...

 

How is it putting independence in front of lives?

 

From the article 

 

We estimate 500000 vaccines have been given to Scotland

 

We have until the start of last week only vaccinated 114000 people

 

Scotland will initially receive up to 533,640 doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine over the course of January

 

Again as I have said multiple times on this thread it is not about politics and either side using it to make political gains is pathetic. But those three points in that article make it an absolute shitshow of an article. Anyone who pays any attention to the P+J should be put out to pasture (not a dig at you - thats having had to work with them in the past they are beyond hopeless there and the Evening Express) 

 

If you want an example of the angles this guy takes when he writes then read some of his other stories. 

Edited January 13, 2021 by sadj

[JyTees]

57 minutes ago, sadj said:

Nope that Jesus **** was at your post and your interpretation of the article which is a headline but not really a story. It is however a question worth asking the SG to fill out info on.

 

To the article if you actually read it...

 

How is it putting independence in front of lives?

 

From the article 

 

We estimate 500000 vaccines have been given to Scotland

 

We have until the start of last week only vaccinated 114000 people

 

Scotland will initially receive up to 533,640 doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine over the course of January

 

Again as I have said multiple times on this thread it is not about politics and either side using it to make political gains is pathetic. But those three points in that article make it an absolute shitshow of an article. Anyone who pays any attention to the P+J should be put out to pasture (not a dig at you - thats having had to work with them in the past they are beyond hopeless there and the Evening Express) 

 

If you want an example of the angles this guy takes when he writes then read some of his other stories. 

 

I was well aware what you inferred with your reply Sadj. My reply was sarcastic. 

 

Thanks for taking the time to explain though 👍🏻😉

 

 

[sadj]

8 minutes ago, JyTees said:

 

I was well aware what you inferred with your reply Sadj. My reply was sarcastic. 

 

Thanks for taking the time to explain though 👍🏻😉

 

 

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[DETTY29]

BBC reviews of fro t pages not positive due to tensions betwfaeen GPS who have done +80s wanting to go to +70s but told to divert supplies to areas with not enough supplies yet to do 80s+; tensions between PM and NHS on pace of programme; NHS not happy with threat of Army so early; Hancock saying not enough supplies, drug companies saying they can manufacture 24×7; 

I

Oh and the Sun recruiting a 50k vaccination army. Not sure ins and outs of what they expect to be doing, but that's just another stunt distraction of folk with no idea what they are doing getting in the way.  

 

This has got disaster written all over it.  (Though I'm confident it will be ok, alrhough a few weeks behind initial promises)

 

Hare and tortoise come to mind though.

 

[Governor Tarkin]

29 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

A number of scientists in Australia seem to be encouraging their government to pivot away from the Oxford vaccine to Pzifer.
 

There seems to be growing concerns around effeciacy data and a belief it will not provide herd immunity. 
 

 

 

The Aussie's are still sore at us for sending them our crim's and gap-year phannies. Just ignore the entitled, whiney, nasal-toned, """"s and they'll soon stop their posturing.

[Governor Tarkin]

6 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

She is most definitely not nasely toned. She has spent a lot of time and effort in loosing any reminants of accent. 
 

 

 

Good girl. 👍

 

Aussie Grand Designs is a source of utter seethe at Tarkin Towers.

 

From that charisma vacuum of a presenter to the East Coast nouveux riche and their modernist, cubic, wank-boxes.

 

Hopefully the robots won't piss about.

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by Governor Tarkin

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

Ze Germans and Danes look like going to follow U.K. in delaying second jab to increase coverage. Currently under consideration.

 

Our Tutonic brothers know the score.

[Victorian]

Interferon B nebuliser treatment trial scaling up.  This has been on the go for quite some time and it's huge looking benefits leave it a bit of a mystery why it's taken so long.  Not particularly expensive and may be very,  very effective.  

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

Do you watch for the seethe or for design tips 😃

 

 

 

Purely for the seethe. It's cathartic.

 

The whole show misses the point for me. Smug Aussie ****s involved in mutual back slapping over their identikit wank-shack mansions complete with cinema room, underground swimming pool, and two-dozen 'organic, flowing spaces' that they don't know what the **** to do with except fill with their ****ing enormous egos.

 

Note: Any arsehole can chuck up a house like that with ten millon dollars, a team of crack architects and engineers, and the best builders that money can buy, you smarmy ****ing ****s. With any luck your state-of-the-art electronic home management system will become sentient, hate you as much as I do, and turn the ****ing oxygen off while you sleep. ****s.

 

Give me Bill and Rhona from Wales with no construction experience succesfully building an entry level James Bond baddie's lair on a mountain top in Snowdonia with their own bare hands out of old pallets, hay bails, and a budget of thruppence-ha'penny. 

 

Aaaaaah, that's better.

[manaliveits105]

When did we start paying attention to what the penal colony thinks anyway ?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Remember there was talk about a Covid Vaccine Passport, well it might well be a step closer now.

 

Greece have a national covid vaccine certificate and have written to the EU Commission saying that the whole of the EU should adopt a vaccine certificate which will, the Greeks say, help encourge travel within the EU.

Now, if the EU were to go down this route, that to travel within the EU people would need proof that they have been vaccinated, then you can bet that non-EU citizens will also need proof that they've had a vaccine before they would be allowed into the EU.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-greece-vaccine/greece-proposes-joint-eu-vaccination-certificate-to-ease-travel-idUSKBN29H1KV

 

 

[DETTY29]

2 hours ago, Brian Dundas said:

I think everyone needs to calm down about the vaccination program, it is not a political issue, it is a clinical one, The people that are delivering it are experts and have been delivering mass vaccines for flu for years they know how to get this done. 

 

We need to stop listening to politicians on all sides about it and just let it get a chance to get going.

At the start I was one for get it out, get it out.

 

But it does need proper planning otherwise it could be a disaster.

 

If there are challenges such as speed of quality control sign off, these need to be fixed not just e.g. lets only check 1 out of every batch instead to get the vaccines out.

Edited January 13, 2021 by DETTY29

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

At the start I was one for get it out, get it out.

 

But it does need proper planning otherwise it could be a disaster.

 

If there are challenges such as speed of quality control sign off, these need to be fixed not just e.g. lets only check 1 out of every batch instead to get the vaccines out.

 

I don't think the quality control approval can be watered down as such.  The thing they have to do is to increase the capacity of the process.  I think they can approve at a rate of 5 days per a 500,000 batch.  So the thing to do is to increase the amount of labs,  people,  equipment doing it.

[DETTY29]

24 hour centres planned for Aberdeen Conference Centre, Rutherglen, EICC and Queen Margaret Centre.  Glasgow (?)

 

Army hubs to be set up (support wider population or forces only ?)

 

At home vaccination to be set up.

 

Initial appt slots by post, re-booking online or by post.

 

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

Ze Germans and Danes look like going to follow U.K. in delaying second jab to increase coverage. Currently under consideration.

The well known scientific adviser Joan Bakewell is taking Hancock to court to challenge the delay in the second jab. The courts seem to be the default response to most things these days. I am surprised civil libertarians haven't inundated the Courts with challenges to the new (and ever changing) laws and their enforcement.

Edited January 13, 2021 by Francis Albert

[Cade]

Several doctors reporting that patients are refusing the Pfizer vaccine, saying they'd "wait for the English one"

 

[frankblack]

10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

The well known scientific adviser Joan Bakewell is taking Hancock to court to challenge the delay in the second jab. The courts seem to be the default response to most things these days. I am surprised civil libertarians haven't inundated the Courts with challenges to the new (and ever changing) laws and their enforcement.

 

I guess it comes down to whether the decision to delay the second jab was political and goes against the advice of the manufacturers.

[Taffin]

Looks like 24 hour vaccination is on the cards now. Personally I think that is the right decision and a welcome development. 

[DETTY29]

16 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Looks like 24 hour vaccination is on the cards now. Personally I think that is the right decision and a welcome development. 

Until folk start turning up without an appointment slot demanding to be done.

 

It is the right idea but we shouldn't kid ourselves on it doesn't have logistical challenges too.

 

The EICC in Edinburgh e.g.  You really are encouraged not to do use public transport, so car access needed, but you can't park easily in central edinburgh and so on.

 

We can always get the Army in to set up road blocks.  That's something they are used to and specialise in.

 

I'm jesting to an extent, but if we want this programme done quickly then you can't expect to pitch up and park your car outside the front door....and rest of us that live in and around these hubs will need to have patience too that our communities may be restructed a touch more....

 

Edit - I wouldn't expect the approach for these hubs to be queues around the block all day.  It will be far better managed than that.  Hopefully.

Edited January 13, 2021 by DETTY29

[Victorian]

EICC?  Surely that's a wind up.  The Royal Highland Centre would be better surely.

[DETTY29]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

EICC?  Surely that's a wind up.  The Royal Highland Centre would be better surely.

Would support folk that can walk up....which is safest way to travel.  But not logistic for driving.

 

These are just the first 5 secured, I think.

Edited January 13, 2021 by DETTY29

[the general]

Sledgehammer / nut

[Toxteth O'Grady]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

EICC?  Surely that's a wind up.  The Royal Highland Centre would be better surely.

Gyle shopping centre would be OK too

[DETTY29]

Just now, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Gyle shopping centre would be OK too

Far from convinced a shopping centre is the best place to place in.

 

As I'm here I'll go for a wander round Morrisons and M&S, when I wasn't planning to.

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

 

Illegal to drink on street

 

 

 

Can't imagine this one will ever be repealed. 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

1 minute ago, DETTY29 said:

Far from convinced a shopping centre is the best place to place in.

 

As I'm here I'll go for a wander round Morrisons and M&S, when I wasn't planning to.

Fair point!

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

Yet another hammer blow to business. Fa**ying around on the periphery, targetting services that will be responsible for very little, if any, spread.  She really is a feckin drama queen.

[the general]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

I wonder if the ban on drinking in the street will be here for good?

 

She would absolutely love that

[DETTY29]

4 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Click and collect is to be limited with a variety of changes.

 

Takeaways not to be collected indoors.

 

Illegal to drink on street

 

Employers most support employees to work from home

 

Only essential maintenance permitted in private dwellings to law

 

Altering legal wording around leave at home law. 
 

All seem fairly minor 

The key steps needed to get some form of normality even this year sailed a long time ago.

 

But that would mean admitting other countries notably in Asia, Australasia were right.

[GinRummy]

What does ‘Altering legal wording around leave at home law’ mean?

[Zico]

9 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Can't imagine this one will ever be repealed. 

Welcome to the independent republic of Glasgow!

[GinRummy]

7 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yet another hammer blow to business. Fa**ying around on the periphery, targetting services that will be responsible for very little, if any, spread.  She really is a feckin drama queen.

Does seem to smack of being seen to do something. 

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, Zico said:

Welcome to the independent republic of Glasgow!

 

 

Just now, GinRummy said:

Does seem to smack of being seen to do something. 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

Does seem to smack of being seen to do something. 

Exactly. Coffee shops trying to survive by offering takeaways are kicked in the baws on a whim. They are many times safer than supermarkets which are not socially distanced and are far busier, with people lingering for 30mins or more. It's sheer lunacy. My best advice,  fill up the take-away cup at home and go out for a walk or a seat in the park.