Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[redjambo]

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case rate around the councils, on one of the few days where this can be reasonably calculated during the festive season. Not great viewing for many areas.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	24 Dec				...	23 Dec	22 Dec	21 Dec	20 Dec	19 Dec
Scotland			154	125	+29			...	130	121	112	98	96
Dundee City	4	3	220	175	+45			...	149	129	119	113	125
East Ayrshire	4	3	215	203	+12			...	178	168	154	153	160
Inverclyde	4	2	213	131	+82			...	107	86	73	59	54
North Lanarkshire	4	3	212	162	+50			...	143	131	131	119	129
Renfrewshire	4	3	205	174	+31			...	159	147	122	116	106
East Renfrewshire	4	3	199	178	+21			...	164	147	129	101	91
South Lanarkshire	4	3	196	170	+26			...	158	133	129	120	119
Glasgow City	4	3	194	173	+21			...	167	153	135	129	122
North Ayrshire	4	3	186	201	-15			...	203	193	189	175	160
Aberdeen City	4	3	170	193	-23			...	189	176	162	163	150
Scottish Borders	4	1	165	114	+51			...	105	106	100	85	87
Edinburgh City	4	3	160	146	+14			...	135	129	122	109	106
Aberdeenshire	4	3	147	133	+14			...	127	118	106	88	79
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	135	61	+74			...	58	54	40	32	26
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	119	+15			...	108	102	91	70	67
Midlothian	4	3	134	136	-2			...	133	139	136	136	142
Perth and Kinross	4	3	134	161	-27			...	143	144	139	126	116
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	153	-19			...	150	145	126	120	102
Angus	4	2	131	81	+50			...	71	64	52	37	37
East Lothian	4	3	127	157	-30			...	163	172	174	148	146
Falkirk	4	2	123	96	+27			...	93	84	80	60	64
Shetland Islands	3	1	122	17	+105			...	9	4	4	0	0
Stirling	4	3	117	107	+10			...	110	91	94	70	62
Fife	4	3	116	122	-6			...	117	111	107	97	100
South Ayrshire	4	3	113	110	+3			...	104	95	97	98	96
West Lothian	4	3	90	106	-16			...	103	103	97	83	87
Clackmannanshire	4	3	82	132	-50			...	146	144	150	148	138
Highland	4	1	63	41	+22			...	31	28	24	17	17
Moray	4	1	52	50	+2			...	53	41	26	13	17
Argyll and Bute	4	2	51	35	+16			...	43	41	38	29	28
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	7	7	0			...	7	11	15	22	19
Orkney Islands	3	1	4	0	+4			...	0	0	0	0	0

[DETTY29]

1 minute ago, OBE said:

 

Ski resorts, international rugby matches, Uefa qualifying football comps and Cheltenham all blamed for outdoor transmission.

It's less of a risk outdoors than in, but the highest transmission risk isn't hard surfaces but aerosol which took me a while for me to get my head round as the non-scientific term is plain old breathing.

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, DETTY29 said:

Masks should be compulsory for entry everywhere with exemption cards only sent out from the NHS database for folks that really can't manage with one medically.

 

Even then if there are better 'breathable' masks more suited for some respiratory challenges, supplies should have been provided centrally too.

 

I agree.

 

Very very few people have a genuine excusse for not wearing either a face mask or a shield, with the latter not directly on top of the face so zero excuse for blaming breathing difficulties.

[Nucky Thompson]

7 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Ski resorts, international rugby matches, Uefa qualifying football comps and Cheltenham all blamed for outdoor transmission.

Most the people attending those events would have also been rammed into bars and public transport etc

[TheOak88]

23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Second doses have just started according to Sky News, as the wifey who was the first to receive the vaccine has just had her second tracking chip injected.

 

I thought it was 6 weeks between the first dose and second dose. Haven’t checked, but has it been 6 weeks already since the first people receiving the vaccine? 

[OBE]

2 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

It's less of a risk outdoors than in, but the highest transmission risk isn't hard surfaces but aerosol which took me a while for me to get my head round as the non-scientific term is plain old breathing.

 

Yip, breathing slightly faster if a try, goal is scored or a horse has delivered.

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

Nobody should be blindly trusted. 
It was patently obvious that eradicating this was impossible, stopping it equally so, limiting the damage until it burned out or a vaccine arrived the only option.

however the only thing attempted was cyclical lockdowns . 
Nothing else was tried or realistically considered, it appears.

The best thing they can do is get the Oxford vaccine out there and every last dr, nurse , midwife , pharmacy starts administering it pronto and everything else shelved until it’s done.

 

Did you say you’d had your vaccine mate? Can’t remember if I read that or not...

Anything to report if you did? All good? 

[Enzo Chiefo]

20 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Does anyone else think that the MHRA has already approved the Oxford vaccine but has been told to delay announcing it until after New Years eve? 

Absolutely.  Every possibility.  The great unwashed cannot be trusted to absorb that news without opening bottles of wine and breaking all the rules.

[Footballfirst]

Just now, TheOak88 said:

 

I thought it was 6 weeks between the first dose and second dose. Haven’t checked, but has it been 6 weeks already since the first people receiving the vaccine? 

3-4 weeks is the recommended gap.

 

My wife gets her second jab on 7 January which is 27 or 28 days since her first.

[OBE]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Most the people attending those events would have also been rammed into bars and public transport etc

 

Ah, the good old day's...🙏

[jack D and coke]

1 minute ago, OBE said:

 

Ah, the good old day's...🙏

😣😭

[TheOak88]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

3-4 weeks is the recommended gap.

 

My wife gets her second jab on 7 January which is 27 or 28 days since her first.

 

Ah is it, dunno where I picked up the 6 week thing from. I suppose that should keep things moving at a quicker pace if people are only waiting 3-4 weeks between doses. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

16 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case rate around the councils, on one of the few days where this can be reasonably calculated during the festive season. Not great viewing for many areas.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	24 Dec				...	23 Dec	22 Dec	21 Dec	20 Dec	19 Dec
Scotland			154	125	+29			...	130	121	112	98	96
Dundee City	4	3	220	175	+45			...	149	129	119	113	125
East Ayrshire	4	3	215	203	+12			...	178	168	154	153	160
Inverclyde	4	2	213	131	+82			...	107	86	73	59	54
North Lanarkshire	4	3	212	162	+50			...	143	131	131	119	129
Renfrewshire	4	3	205	174	+31			...	159	147	122	116	106
East Renfrewshire	4	3	199	178	+21			...	164	147	129	101	91
South Lanarkshire	4	3	196	170	+26			...	158	133	129	120	119
Glasgow City	4	3	194	173	+21			...	167	153	135	129	122
North Ayrshire	4	3	186	201	-15			...	203	193	189	175	160
Aberdeen City	4	3	170	193	-23			...	189	176	162	163	150
Scottish Borders	4	1	165	114	+51			...	105	106	100	85	87
Edinburgh City	4	3	160	146	+14			...	135	129	122	109	106
Aberdeenshire	4	3	147	133	+14			...	127	118	106	88	79
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	135	61	+74			...	58	54	40	32	26
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	119	+15			...	108	102	91	70	67
Midlothian	4	3	134	136	-2			...	133	139	136	136	142
Perth and Kinross	4	3	134	161	-27			...	143	144	139	126	116
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	153	-19			...	150	145	126	120	102
Angus	4	2	131	81	+50			...	71	64	52	37	37
East Lothian	4	3	127	157	-30			...	163	172	174	148	146
Falkirk	4	2	123	96	+27			...	93	84	80	60	64
Shetland Islands	3	1	122	17	+105			...	9	4	4	0	0
Stirling	4	3	117	107	+10			...	110	91	94	70	62
Fife	4	3	116	122	-6			...	117	111	107	97	100
South Ayrshire	4	3	113	110	+3			...	104	95	97	98	96
West Lothian	4	3	90	106	-16			...	103	103	97	83	87
Clackmannanshire	4	3	82	132	-50			...	146	144	150	148	138
Highland	4	1	63	41	+22			...	31	28	24	17	17
Moray	4	1	52	50	+2			...	53	41	26	13	17
Argyll and Bute	4	2	51	35	+16			...	43	41	38	29	28
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	7	7	0			...	7	11	15	22	19
Orkney Islands	3	1	4	0	+4			...	0	0	0	0	0

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[Nucky Thompson]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

No.

 

What purpose would that serve? Surely every hour matters in relation to jabbing folk up and all that comes with that. 

They already seem to have the 4th January penciled in for starting the Oxford jab. It seems to me like they already know it has been approved, but are waiting till after party season to announce it. 

A few days later starting it will compensate for the mass breaking of rules on NYE if people think they have a green light to party

Just my opinion 

[doctor jambo]

9 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Did you say you’d had your vaccine mate? Can’t remember if I read that or not...

Anything to report if you did? All good? 

Yes had it. Went to bed fine , woke with really sore arm. That went within 12 hrs . Doddle 

[doctor jambo]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

They already seem to have the 4th January penciled in for starting the Oxford jab. It seems to me like they already know it has been approved, but are waiting till after party season to announce it. 

A few days later starting it will compensate for the mass breaking of rules on NYE if people think they have a green light to party

Just my opinion 

There has been a mass failure to understand people since this began .

if they are really serious about things there should be a total lockdown again until everyone is vaccinated. 
All shops curfewed from 1800.

 

[kila]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

They already seem to have the 4th January penciled in for starting the Oxford jab. It seems to me like they already know it has been approved, but are waiting till after party season to announce it. 

A few days later starting it will compensate for the mass breaking of rules on NYE if people think they have a green light to party

Just my opinion 

 

The initial batch of the Oxford vaccine is being made in Europe. Hopefully they don't end up with quantities sitting in a lorry park the first week of January 😐

 

UK manufacturing of it to pick up the pace soon hopefully.

[jack D and coke]

3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Yes had it. Went to bed fine , woke with really sore arm. That went within 12 hrs . Doddle 

Great stuff👍🏼

[doctor jambo]

1 hour ago, kila said:

@doctor jambo when do you get your second jag? Are they already underway?

 

 

Mid jan, there is a capacity issue

[Jambo-Jimbo]

23 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

I thought it was 6 weeks between the first dose and second dose. Haven’t checked, but has it been 6 weeks already since the first people receiving the vaccine? 

 

21 days between first & second dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

43 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I think the 15 minutes is the time that the person needs to be monitored for after getting the jab.

Hopefully the Oxford jab doesn't have side effects for people with allergies 

 

15 mins monitored is what I'd heard as well, of course each person won't need to be monitored one on one, so several people could sit in a large room with only one nurse monitoring them.

[OBE]

38 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case rate around the councils, on one of the few days where this can be reasonably calculated during the festive season. Not great viewing for many areas.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	24 Dec				...	23 Dec	22 Dec	21 Dec	20 Dec	19 Dec
Scotland			154	125	+29			...	130	121	112	98	96
Dundee City	4	3	220	175	+45			...	149	129	119	113	125
East Ayrshire	4	3	215	203	+12			...	178	168	154	153	160
Inverclyde	4	2	213	131	+82			...	107	86	73	59	54
North Lanarkshire	4	3	212	162	+50			...	143	131	131	119	129
Renfrewshire	4	3	205	174	+31			...	159	147	122	116	106
East Renfrewshire	4	3	199	178	+21			...	164	147	129	101	91
South Lanarkshire	4	3	196	170	+26			...	158	133	129	120	119
Glasgow City	4	3	194	173	+21			...	167	153	135	129	122
North Ayrshire	4	3	186	201	-15			...	203	193	189	175	160
Aberdeen City	4	3	170	193	-23			...	189	176	162	163	150
Scottish Borders	4	1	165	114	+51			...	105	106	100	85	87
Edinburgh City	4	3	160	146	+14			...	135	129	122	109	106
Aberdeenshire	4	3	147	133	+14			...	127	118	106	88	79
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	135	61	+74			...	58	54	40	32	26
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	119	+15			...	108	102	91	70	67
Midlothian	4	3	134	136	-2			...	133	139	136	136	142
Perth and Kinross	4	3	134	161	-27			...	143	144	139	126	116
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	153	-19			...	150	145	126	120	102
Angus	4	2	131	81	+50			...	71	64	52	37	37
East Lothian	4	3	127	157	-30			...	163	172	174	148	146
Falkirk	4	2	123	96	+27			...	93	84	80	60	64
Shetland Islands	3	1	122	17	+105			...	9	4	4	0	0
Stirling	4	3	117	107	+10			...	110	91	94	70	62
Fife	4	3	116	122	-6			...	117	111	107	97	100
South Ayrshire	4	3	113	110	+3			...	104	95	97	98	96
West Lothian	4	3	90	106	-16			...	103	103	97	83	87
Clackmannanshire	4	3	82	132	-50			...	146	144	150	148	138
Highland	4	1	63	41	+22			...	31	28	24	17	17
Moray	4	1	52	50	+2			...	53	41	26	13	17
Argyll and Bute	4	2	51	35	+16			...	43	41	38	29	28
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	7	7	0			...	7	11	15	22	19
Orkney Islands	3	1	4	0	+4			...	0	0	0	0	0

 

WT absolute F has happened in the Shetlands, folks returning home for the festive period?

[Jambo314]

3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

15 mins monitored is what I'd heard as well, of course each person won't need to be monitored one on one, so several people could sit in a large room with only one nurse monitoring them.

Yeah wife had her first dose of the vaccination with working for NHS, 15 mins recovery monitoring and no real side effects apart from an aching arm for a day or so.

[Taffin]

23 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

There has been a mass failure to understand people since this began .

if they are really serious about things there should be a total lockdown again until everyone is vaccinated. 
All shops curfewed from 1800.

 

 

That would funnel a huge amount of people into the supermarkets at the weekend 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

26 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Ah is it, dunno where I picked up the 6 week thing from. I suppose that should keep things moving at a quicker pace if people are only waiting 3-4 weeks between doses. 

 

The quickness of the rollout still depends on the number of vaccines available, the Oxford vaccine will be a great help when it's approved, but even then there isn't going to be a limitless supply of it to begin with. 

The World and his dog are wanting vaccines right now, so It's all still going to take time for there to be enough, people just need to be patient.

[doctor jambo]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

That would funnel a huge amount of people into the supermarkets at the weekend 

Not really , everyone will be at home all day with nothing else to do.

the fewer excuses for people

to be out and about for “milk” or such rot the better

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 minutes ago, Jambo314 said:

Yeah wife had her first dose of the vaccination with working for NHS, 15 mins recovery monitoring and no real side effects apart from an aching arm for a day or so.

 

Mrs JJ hasn't been offered one as yet.

 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

Not really , everyone will be at home all day with nothing else to do.

the fewer excuses for people

to be out and about for “milk” or such rot the better

 

There's still huge amounts of people working from home and there would still be a sizeable "essential" workforce. 

 

I'd either be at work or working from home and if the shops shut at 6, I'd have to go at the weekend. I don't think I'd be hugely unique in that. 

 

I don't get the curfew thing, the virus doesn't have a mug of hot chocolate and clock off at sundown. The more we can spread people's activities out, the better imo. Is it better to shop, walk, run during the day at peak times or at night once it's quieter?

[Jambo314]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Mrs JJ hasn't been offered one as yet.

 

Is it Borders General she works? Wife's at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

[Nucky Thompson]

Only 2 people under the age of 45 with no health conditions have died in Scotland.

 

Covid Scotland: Just two Scots under 45 with no health conditions have died - Edinburgh Live

 

 

 

 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

None of these are infectious diseases.

 

If it hadn't been for the various measures that have been put in place and we had just let the virus rip through the population, then the death toll from Covid would have been much higher.

 

It's not rocket science and we are not living in a science fiction novel.

 

 

 

not necessarily disagreeing although I have seen data and models from apparent credible sources showing that covid deaths may have been falling anyway prior to lockdown (I realise there were measures/advice in place prior to lockdown too) so maybe the effect on the virus of these types of measures maybe not as definite as made out

 

a lot of the scientists not part of “the science” seem consistent in their acceptance of some doubt in their conclusions unlike a lot of posts on here - your one here being one of many many

 

i see the “let rip” included again not sure why as no-one remotely credible has suggested that as a realistic alternative - that would suggest mixing covid positive people with vulnerable people (like in care homes) was something deemed ok - don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone credible say that

 

genuinely interested given you’re a good poster in general (imo) why you think “let rip” is relevant?

 

also do you have a ballpark figure/multiplier for “much” with any evidence

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 minutes ago, Jambo314 said:

Is it Borders General she works? Wife's at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

 

Yip, BGH.

 

[frankblack]

12 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Not really , everyone will be at home all day with nothing else to do.

the fewer excuses for people

to be out and about for “milk” or such rot the better

 

That isn't true or viable at all.

 

Working from home for me can be from 7.30am until around 5pm.  By the time I shut down my work for the day, get organised and drive to the supermarket it will be nearl 5.30pm, giving me 30min to do a weekly shop assuming there are no queues.

 

I'd therefore have to go at the weekend as suggested above.

[kila]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

Not really , everyone will be at home all day with nothing else to do.

the fewer excuses for people

to be out and about for “milk” or such rot the better

 

In an ideal world everyone would have a house with a sizeable garden, so when in a lockdown situation there is still space for some outdoor activity. The issue with lockdowns is a chunk of people will be crammed in tiny flats with no outside relief, which is just asking for trouble.

 

This pandemic is exposing class division more than ever. Lockdown adherence is partly a social issue because of that division. 'Stay at home' is easier for those who have lots. Not so easy for those who don't and are already struggling mentally with perhaps living in a tiny shite home.

 

[Jambo314]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yip, BGH.

 

Ah thought so. Not sure how true, but wife mentioned a few weeks ago that there was talk of BGH coming under NHS Lothian.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

9 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

There's still huge amounts of people working from home and there would still be a sizeable "essential" workforce. 

 

I'd either be at work or working from home and if the shops shut at 6, I'd have to go at the weekend. I don't think I'd be hugely unique in that. 

 

I don't get the curfew thing, the virus doesn't have a mug of hot chocolate and clock off at sundown. The more we can spread people's activities out, the better imo. Is it better to shop, walk, run during the day at peak times or at night once it's quieter?

 

too sensible - will be accused of trolling soon if not already

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Did you take up the offer Brian?

Eat Out to Help Out was a great success and was of huge help to the beleagured hospitality industry, unfortunately now reeling from that ongoing 16 day "circuit break" imposed by Sturgeon's Prohibition Act back in October. Unfortunately,  some politicians and scientists scapegoated the initiative and blamed them for the cases rising due to the farcical return of university students.  To paraphrase one well known poster, we need more eating out to help out imo.

[Dagger Is Back]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

The latest 7-day per-100,000 case rate around the councils, on one of the few days where this can be reasonably calculated during the festive season. Not great viewing for many areas.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Previous	Today	24 Dec				...	23 Dec	22 Dec	21 Dec	20 Dec	19 Dec
Scotland			154	125	+29			...	130	121	112	98	96
Dundee City	4	3	220	175	+45			...	149	129	119	113	125
East Ayrshire	4	3	215	203	+12			...	178	168	154	153	160
Inverclyde	4	2	213	131	+82			...	107	86	73	59	54
North Lanarkshire	4	3	212	162	+50			...	143	131	131	119	129
Renfrewshire	4	3	205	174	+31			...	159	147	122	116	106
East Renfrewshire	4	3	199	178	+21			...	164	147	129	101	91
South Lanarkshire	4	3	196	170	+26			...	158	133	129	120	119
Glasgow City	4	3	194	173	+21			...	167	153	135	129	122
North Ayrshire	4	3	186	201	-15			...	203	193	189	175	160
Aberdeen City	4	3	170	193	-23			...	189	176	162	163	150
Scottish Borders	4	1	165	114	+51			...	105	106	100	85	87
Edinburgh City	4	3	160	146	+14			...	135	129	122	109	106
Aberdeenshire	4	3	147	133	+14			...	127	118	106	88	79
Dumfries & Galloway	4	1	135	61	+74			...	58	54	40	32	26
East Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	119	+15			...	108	102	91	70	67
Midlothian	4	3	134	136	-2			...	133	139	136	136	142
Perth and Kinross	4	3	134	161	-27			...	143	144	139	126	116
West Dunbartonshire	4	3	134	153	-19			...	150	145	126	120	102
Angus	4	2	131	81	+50			...	71	64	52	37	37
East Lothian	4	3	127	157	-30			...	163	172	174	148	146
Falkirk	4	2	123	96	+27			...	93	84	80	60	64
Shetland Islands	3	1	122	17	+105			...	9	4	4	0	0
Stirling	4	3	117	107	+10			...	110	91	94	70	62
Fife	4	3	116	122	-6			...	117	111	107	97	100
South Ayrshire	4	3	113	110	+3			...	104	95	97	98	96
West Lothian	4	3	90	106	-16			...	103	103	97	83	87
Clackmannanshire	4	3	82	132	-50			...	146	144	150	148	138
Highland	4	1	63	41	+22			...	31	28	24	17	17
Moray	4	1	52	50	+2			...	53	41	26	13	17
Argyll and Bute	4	2	51	35	+16			...	43	41	38	29	28
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	1	7	7	0			...	7	11	15	22	19
Orkney Islands	3	1	4	0	+4			...	0	0	0	0	0

Thank you for doing this. They don’t make happy reading overall do they?

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

3 minutes ago, kila said:

 

In an ideal world everyone would have a house with a sizeable garden, so when in a lockdown situation there is still space for some outdoor activity. The issue with lockdowns is a chunk of people will be crammed in tiny flats with no outside relief, which is just asking for trouble.

 

This pandemic is exposing class division more than ever. Lockdown adherence is partly a social issue because of that division. 'Stay at home' is easier for those who have lots. Not so easy for those who don't and are already struggling mentally with perhaps living in a tiny shite home.

 

 

 

 

folk backing lockdowns and referring to covid deaths in isolation (most likely in well-meaning ignorance) totally missing this point that lockdown measures much much harder on the poorer as will be the long term affects

 

it is very well documented no secret really - just seems to be glossed-over a lot

 

in fact I see it’s not uncommon to blame these people for the virus not going away properly

 

 

 

 

 

 

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

Thank you for doing this. They don’t make happy reading overall do they?

 

No problem, DiB. The rise in the figures was entirely expected though, and I suppose it could always be worse. For example, we're still generally doing better than the rest of the UK, cases-wise. We'll also no doubt see a rise in cases after the New Year's break. The key thing is how well we recover in January from those spikes.

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Only 2 people under the age of 45 with no health conditions have died in Scotland.

 

Covid Scotland: Just two Scots under 45 with no health conditions have died - Edinburgh Live

 

 

 

 

That’s an incredible statistic . You wouldn’t think this was this case judging by some hysterical posters on this from previously measured people about the current situation . Some are calling for “ curfews “ etc when in fact we are already facing harsh restrictions  as it is . What more do they want ? People boarded up in their houses ? I think when this is all over the policy regarding closing pubs , restaurants etc will be heavily criticised as it’s just driven people indoors to unregulated conditions . A massive error . Feck knows what Hogmanay will be like .  My mate was telling me one of his mates is having a party but will have black out blinds etc so the polis don’t know they are having a party . They aren’t very bright as they must think the polis are deaf 😂

[Der Kaiser]

The good news is......

 

....my taste is coming back.

[JudyJudyJudy]

We Took a good walk into town (Princes street ) today mainly for exercise but interesting to see what’s about . Most shops closed apart from “ essential “ shops like Boots , Superdrug and for some reason “ Marks and Spencer’s “  as well as the kids sweetie shop “ kingdom of sweets” ( maybe essential for kids !) . Some Greg’s open and Starbucks . We got a coffee and sat on a wet bench ! Miserable when you think What is usually like at this time if the year ! But good to get out . Noticed a few “ tourist “ feck knows how and why they are visiting really ? Walked up Lothian Road and saw a few boozers drinking carry out pints at “ Brew dug “ at the square . 

[Nucky Thompson]

53,000 new positive cases in the UK today 

[Nucky Thompson]

13 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

That’s an incredible statistic . You wouldn’t think this was this case judging by some hysterical posters on this from previously measured people about the current situation . Some are calling for “ curfews “ etc when in fact we are already facing harsh restrictions  as it is . What more do they want ? People boarded up in their houses ? I think when this is all over the policy regarding closing pubs , restaurants etc will be heavily criticised as it’s just driven people indoors to unregulated conditions . A massive error . Feck knows what Hogmanay will be like .  My mate was telling me one of his mates is having a party but will have black out blinds etc so the polis don’t know they are having a party . They aren’t very bright as they must think the polis are deaf 😂

Yup. The stats for Scotland were a bit of an eye opener for me. 

The vast majority of deaths are in the really old and the vast majority of them have underlying health conditions 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

19 minutes ago, Jambo314 said:

Ah thought so. Not sure how true, but wife mentioned a few weeks ago that there was talk of BGH coming under NHS Lothian.

 

Just asked Mrs JJ about this, she says that they have joined NHS Lothian bank staff, but she wouldn't be shocked nor surprised if NHS Lothian took over the running of NHS Borders because the management down here are utter total crap, they honestly couldn't organise feck all and it's having a really serious impact on morale which is at rock bottom. 

 

It is literally one thing after another at the BGH the now. 

[kila]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

Yup. The stats for Scotland were a bit of an eye opener for me. 

The vast majority of deaths are in the really old and the vast majority of them have underlying health conditions 

 

I wonder what the stats on those in ICU with it though? Age and duration would be interesting analysis. Not sure if it is available though.

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

You have to be trolling. The alternative is unthinkable. 

Exactly.  It's not as if the Army have ever had qualified Doctors in their ranks. 😮. Imagine if they had had real life experience of setting up field hospitals, dealing with horrendous injuries, under war conditions,  in all parts of the world??   If only..   

Aah well, perhaps it's best if we just mothball these hospitals if the NHS can't staff them.  🤣🤣

[ri Alban]

23 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Scotland's population by age group in 1,000s. Should give an indication of the number of doses that need to be acquired before any particular age group gets theirs. 

 

Ages	2020
————	————
0-4	266
5-9	298
10-14	298
15-19	279
20-24	341
25-29	378
30-34	374
35-39	355
40-44	324
45-49	350
50-54	393
55-59	400
60-64	353
65-69	301
70-74	285
75-79	199
80-84	144
85-89	85
90-94	34
95-99	8
100 & over	1
All ages	5,465

It's all right folks only 2 people from half the population have died. Its OK if the other half over 45 die. 👍

 

Well according to James and Nucky. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

16 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

53,000 new positive cases in the UK today 

 

That's about 10,000 more than yesterday is it not?