Francis Albert Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I appreciate what David Southern did to assist FOH in the early days and that is clear from the book. However, I always had reservations about his role as the club lurched towards insolvency, so I have mixed feelings about what he did (positive) and what he didn't do (negative). He was on the inside and saw what was going on with the finances, the 2012 share issue that wasn't honoured by the Romanov regime after the £1.1m was received from fans, the sale of 7,000 season tickets, the £2m+ funds from which were spent within days of the end of the previous season. Nothing was ever said publicly about these things, nor any expression that the club was trading while insolvent. The option would have been for him to resign and alert fans about what was going on. Administration may have come sooner and liquidation might have followed. Had that occurred then over £3m in fans funds would have been permanently lost. All's well that ends well, but that was one hell of a risk to take with other people's money, while continuing to take a salary from the club. Not sure what you mean when you say the £1.1 m share purchase wasn't honoured. OK share certificates weren't issued but I think that was the least of our concerns at the time. We had done our bit in saving the club from liquidation and in the end that resulted in our shares being recognised. I am quite relaxed about the risk Southern took. It was worth it. (When I say relaxed I mean I think he was right.) Edited October 23, 2019 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 David Southern did a lot what was best for David Southern I always thought, Stewart Fraser could not handle the pressure in the end, mind the Lith accountant was a joke figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I will probably buy this giving the responses on here. Checked his voting record to assure myself he wasn't a plonker either, and he's not, so all good on that front as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Oooh! I hope his book sales are going well, it may be all he has left soon. All that good work undone by his brand of Socialism not fitting in with Socialism? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50146805 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie7147 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 gone before levein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 New chairman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Books on amazon with free delivery but same price plus £6 delivery from hearts shop, wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, TypoonJambo said: Books on amazon with free delivery but same price plus £6 delivery from hearts shop, wtf? Hearts pay taxes in the UK (now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I am glad I read this excellent book just after the launch considering the amount of snippets on here. If you have still to read it suggest you stay away from this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Dalstonjambo said: Hearts pay taxes in the UK (now). Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, 132goals1958 said: I am glad I read this excellent book just after the launch considering the amount of snippets on here. If you have still to read it suggest you stay away from this thread Don’t tell me how it ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, Des Lynam said: Don’t tell me how it ends. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Des Lynam said: Don’t tell me how it ends. With deselection https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50146805 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 9 hours ago, The Frenchman Returns said: With deselection https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50146805 The story has changed a bit since I first read it this morning. His challenge to the Unite Union is straight out the David Cameron/Theresa May/Boris Johnson phrasebook. They haven't mentioned what type of candidate they are thinking of to replace him yet but he's trying to attack them already. Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Book is on sale at Waterstones (Princes Street - 2nd floor, Sports section). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 23/10/2019 at 10:20, The Frenchman Returns said: With deselection https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50146805 Or not it seems Labour MP Ian Murray has been reselected as a candidate in the next general election despite union opposition. The Unite union accused the MP for Edinburgh South of consistently undermining the Labour leadership. Party rules could have triggered a contest to replace him if the move was backed by a third of local members or affiliated unions. However, all four constituency member branches have voted to reselect him. Mr Murray said: "It is a huge honour to have been reselected as Labour's candidate in Edinburgh South for the forthcoming general election. "Representing my home city of Edinburgh is a great privilege, and I have always put this constituency first and foremost." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Or not it seems Labour MP Ian Murray has been reselected as a candidate in the next general election despite union opposition. The Unite union accused the MP for Edinburgh South of consistently undermining the Labour leadership. Party rules could have triggered a contest to replace him if the move was backed by a third of local members or affiliated unions. However, all four constituency member branches have voted to reselect him. Mr Murray said: "It is a huge honour to have been reselected as Labour's candidate in Edinburgh South for the forthcoming general election. "Representing my home city of Edinburgh is a great privilege, and I have always put this constituency first and foremost." Pleased for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Well done Ian. Congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 42 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Pleased for him Likewise and equally important his constituents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8skacel8 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Reading this just now and currently in chapter 2. Really interesting but scary at the same time. The most ridiculous story so far apart from the sacking of George Burley was to give Juho Makela a £5,000 goal bonus. This was instructed by Fedotovas to go into the players contract, known as a “golden goal” bonus. Makela was rubbish and didnt score many but he scored a hat trick against Alloa in the League Cup, resulting in us owing him £15,000 that we never had. Murray also said that Romanov appeared at 11pm on a transfer deadline night and asked “Who is the best player in Scotland just now that we could sign?” He was told Barry Robson and we then faxed Dundee Utd there and then to see if we could sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, 8skacel8 said: Reading this just now and currently in chapter 2. Really interesting but scary at the same time. The most ridiculous story so far apart from the sacking of George Burley was to give Juho Makela a £5,000 goal bonus. This was instructed by Fedotovas to go into the players contract, known as a “golden goal” bonus. Makela was rubbish and didnt score many but he scored a hat trick against Alloa in the League Cup, resulting in us owing him £15,000 that we never had. Murray also said that Romanov appeared at 11pm on a transfer deadline night and asked “Who is the best player in Scotland just now that we could sign?” He was told Barry Robson and we then faxed Dundee Utd there and then to see if we could sign him. There’s more scary stuff to come! 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8skacel8 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: There’s more scary stuff to come! 😳 I thought that the minute I flicked over the page. Felt a shiver down my spine towards the end of the 3rd chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just about to start this badboy 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 03/10/2019 at 19:20, Roxy Hearts said: Love it. Me too, Roxy 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 A reminder of why imo FOH should have some sort of veto on any one person having control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, jake said: A reminder of why imo FOH should have some sort of veto on any one person having control. Like a 90% super majority veto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Like a 90% super majority veto? Yes. Is that what happened when Levein was allowed to make more signings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, jake said: Yes. Is that what happened when Levein was allowed to make more signings? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 11 hours ago, 8skacel8 said: Reading this just now and currently in chapter 2. Really interesting but scary at the same time. The most ridiculous story so far apart from the sacking of George Burley was to give Juho Makela a £5,000 goal bonus. This was instructed by Fedotovas to go into the players contract, known as a “golden goal” bonus. Makela was rubbish and didnt score many but he scored a hat trick against Alloa in the League Cup, resulting in us owing him £15,000 that we never had. Murray also said that Romanov appeared at 11pm on a transfer deadline night and asked “Who is the best player in Scotland just now that we could sign?” He was told Barry Robson and we then faxed Dundee Utd there and then to see if we could sign him. When has Barry ******* Robson EVER been the best player in Scotland? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 23/10/2019 at 08:08, Smith's right boot said: Checked his voting record to assure myself he wasn't a plonker either, and he's not, so all good on that front as well. His voting record is absymal. He may have done well by Hearts but it's probably kept him in his seat since. Dreadful wee person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Weakened Offender said: His voting record is absymal. He may have done well by Hearts but it's probably kept him in his seat since. Dreadful wee person. His constituents seem to disagree. Labour could do with a few more dreadful wee people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Got this from my daughter for Christmas. Had finished it by Boxing Day morning. It really is a “must read” for all Hearts fans. Even though we know how it all panned out in the end it really does show how close we were on several occasions to dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 46 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said: His voting record is absymal. He may have done well by Hearts but it's probably kept him in his seat since. Dreadful wee person. I'm left so imo his voting record is OK. Obviously if your right aligned it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Edited January 3, 2020 by Weakened Offender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 15 hours ago, davemclaren said: 🤔 I'm best ignored mate. Sometimes not always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy rebus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Got it for my Christmas and about to start. Please, don’t spoil it for me and tell me the ending 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 27/09/2019 at 10:08, Steve_Jersey_HMFC said: Should make a great read. Murray's contribution should never be forgotten. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot since 86 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: I'm left so imo his voting record is OK. Obviously if your right aligned it's not. You should be even more in disagreement with him then. Hes is everything that is wrong with modern day labour, a centrist MP passing himself off as a man of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77Mackay77 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, grumpy rebus said: Got it for my Christmas and about to start. Please, don’t spoil it for me and tell me the ending 😉 That bit is still to be written but it ends with us beating the drop by a mile, winning the Scottish Cup and going on a legendary Europe League run......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy rebus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, 77Mackay77 said: That bit is still to be written but it ends with us beating the drop by a mile, winning the Scottish Cup and going on a legendary Europe League run......! I hope you are right mate 👍🏽 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, Hot since 86 said: You should be even more in disagreement with him then. Hes is everything that is wrong with modern day labour, a centrist MP passing himself off as a man of the people. His voting record imo is far more aligned with the left centre than many of his colleagues in Scotland tbh. He'd be a good SNP mp imo tbh. Shame he's a union man over everything, but each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: His voting record imo is far more aligned with the left centre than many of his colleagues in Scotland tbh. He'd be a good SNP mp imo tbh. Shame he's a union man over everything, but each their own. No such thing as a good SNP mp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8skacel8 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Take the political chat elsewhere. This thread is about the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: No such thing as a good SNP mp... About as rare as a decent post from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Noah Claypole said: About as rare as a decent post from you. Hilarious! Laugh.....I almost did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Independence said: Totally agree. funnily enough was planning on finding this thread to comment as I read the book over the festive period. A thoroughly great read, although there were more than a few factual errors, he should have got Robbo (“Ceefax”) to give it a proof read 😂 A really great insight into the struggle to get things done against the odds and the backdrop of a difficult bureaucratic system in Lithuania, shysters like Bob Jamieson, pathetic Hibs fans writing to the Ukio administrators, and The petty internal politics and egos within the FoH. cannot believe some people cancelled their FoH direct debits because of Ian Murray’s politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Steve_Jersey_HMFC said: funnily enough was planning on finding this thread to comment as I read the book over the festive period. A thoroughly great read, although there were more than a few factual errors, he should have got Robbo (“Ceefax”) to give it a proof read 😂 A really great insight into the struggle to get things done against the odds and the backdrop of a difficult bureaucratic system in Lithuania, shysters like Bob Jamieson, pathetic Hibs fans writing to the Ukio administrators, and The petty internal politics and egos within the FoH. cannot believe some people cancelled their FoH direct debits because of Ian Murray’s politics What facts were not correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: What facts were not correct? I picked up on a couple of things. It's not 79.9% of shares that will be handed over to FOH. It is only 75.1%. He also refers to Halifax taking over Bank of Scotland. It was actually a merger on a share for share basis in the two companies becoming shares in HBOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyskey Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Noah Claypole said: About as rare as a decent post from you. leave him alone, he is a sad british nationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Hot since 86 said: You should be even more in disagreement with him then. Hes is everything that is wrong with modern day labour, a centrist MP passing himself off as a man of the people. Yes. If only Labour had ran a more purist far left socialist campaign dominated by those men of the people Momentum and the SWP then we might have been spared Boris. On topic the book is well worth reading. It doesn't add much to our knowledge of the Romanov years but it does give some new insights into the workings of FoH and Ann Budge (though apparently watered down to get it on sale in the Hearts shop). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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