Boab Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: I remember people laughing about Billy Davies saying the infrastructure at Hearts was wrong. How right he was. I never laughed. Everyone knew what he was saying, regardless of their view of him as a man or manager. The thread when Levein took...or was told to take...the manager’s job is back up I see. Some interesting views even back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I said after the Hamilton game that I felt it was time for a change and my view hasn’t changed. Unless there is some plan B in place I think, with the Hibs and Aberdeen games in the next 8 days, the timing isn’t great to do it ‘right now’. Surely it’s the perfect time to do it. It would get the fans right behind the team and lift them for a start. We can’t keep waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I said after the Hamilton game that I felt it was time for a change and my view hasn’t changed. Unless there is some plan B in place I think, with the Hibs and Aberdeen games in the next 8 days, the timing isn’t great to do it ‘right now’. Fair enough. To me there isn't a better time and let's face it, we can't play any worse or drop any lower in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Mort said: Surely it’s the perfect time to do it. It would get the fans right behind the team and lift them for a start. We can’t keep waiting. Not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Forever Hearts said: Fair enough. To me there isn't a better time and let's face it, we can't play any worse or drop any lower in the league. Relatively, we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, davemclaren said: Not for me. Dave do you genuinely want Craig Levein to remain as manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, davemclaren said: Not for me. Let’s hope you are right and we win the next two games. I personally can’t see anything other than two very bad defeats, but would love to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, amadjambo said: Budge had been incredibly naive and has placed far too much trust in Levein. Had I been in the same position I would likely have brought Levein on board as DoF too. It was a logical choice. But I’d have kept him on a very short leash. I suspect Budge has no idea how to resolve the current situation, and am beginning to wonder who actually runs the club. From his comments in the EEN today I think there is little doubt who it is.(especially in his head). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) DP Edited September 17, 2019 by merrymac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, amadjambo said: Budge had been incredibly naive and has placed far too much trust in Levein. Had I been in the same position I would likely have brought Levein on board as DoF too. It was a logical choice. But I’d have kept him on a very short leash. I suspect Budge has no idea how to resolve the current situation, and am beginning to wonder who actually runs the club. She has admitted in the past that she had to trust CL in the footballing side of things as she never knew anything about it. Fair enough, who wouldn’t ! Problem now is, it’s a business problem. This carries on, the business side will suffer. Probably already is. Look at hospitality for a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I said after the Hamilton game that I felt it was time for a change and my view hasn’t changed. Unless there is some plan B in place I think, with the Hibs and Aberdeen games in the next 8 days, the timing isn’t great to do it ‘right now’. 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: Dave do you genuinely want Craig Levein to remain as manager? 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, amadjambo said: Budge had been incredibly naive and has placed far too much trust in Levein. Had I been in the same position I would likely have brought Levein on board as DoF too. It was a logical choice. But I’d have kept him on a very short leash. I suspect Budge has no idea how to resolve the current situation, and am beginning to wonder who actually runs the club. From his comments in the EEN today I think there is little doubt who it is.(especially in his head). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E6 Inc Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, davemclaren said: I said after the Hamilton game that I felt it was time for a change and my view hasn’t changed. Unless there is some plan B in place I think, with the Hibs and Aberdeen games in the next 8 days, the timing isn’t great to do it ‘right now’. This has to be what Budge is thinking and I couldn't agree less with it. For us to beat Hibs and Aberdeen we would need to win two games in a row against premiership opposition - something we have not done since playing St Johnstone and Killie at the end of January/start of Feb. We will not beat both of these teams. 100%. We will be lucky to win one and if you look at our form the likelihood is that we will either draw one or lose both. The timing 'right now' is the only time. Get him punted, stick one of the minions in charge and use these 8 days to get a new management team in - if they want to continue with some of our current coaches then that is up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, davemclaren said: 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ Personally, when you are bottom of the league with 33 games of the season remaining there is no better time to bring in a new manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Even if we win the next two games does anybody realistically think that a manager who plays Clare at right back should be in charge of Hearts. He was sacked as Scotland manager because he was useless, his record for us is no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mort said: Surely it’s the perfect time to do it. It would get the fans right behind the team and lift them for a start. We can’t keep waiting. Perfect time was after hamilton game with the international break but in the international break craig levein said he'd worked on the defensive side of the team which unfortunately we didn't see on Saturday so he has to go yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Personally, when you are bottom of the league with 33 games of the season remaining there is no better time to bring in a new manager. Agree. Earlier would have been better but has to be soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Boab said: Agree. Earlier would have been better but has to be soon. Coming in when you are bottom of the table means the only way can be up. Blank canvas job - the 5 year plan failed spectacularly. Budge will see it differently mind as tampon machines were part of her 5 year plan. Football fans however see results (perish he thought) as success and failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, i8hibsh said: Coming in when you are bottom of the table means the only way can be up. Blank canvas job - the 5 year plan failed spectacularly. Budge will see it differently mind as tampon machines were part of her 5 year plan. Football fans however see results (perish he thought) as success and failure. You were doing well, mate, don’t ruin it !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Ann Budge should just say Craig was always going to be a temporary manager and replace him as soon as., while he goes back up stairs. Win for her and a win for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: I remember people laughing about Billy Davies saying the infrastructure at Hearts was wrong. How right he was. Exactly, and whilst I wouldn't want him here, he was bang on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I said after the Hamilton game that I felt it was time for a change and my view hasn’t changed. Unless there is some plan B in place I think, with the Hibs and Aberdeen games in the next 8 days, the timing isn’t great to do it ‘right now’. We're absolutely sleepwalking into a derby defeat and a cup exit with Levein at the helm, now is the exact time to replace him, at least the players might have some sense of purpose under a new face, because right now there's nothing there, not a single damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, Prof said: Even if we win the next two games does anybody realistically think that a manager who plays Clare at right back should be in charge of Hearts. He was sacked as Scotland manager because he was useless, his record for us is no better. He didn't do much at Leicester and Dundee United won the cup after he left, so his failings go back some way in the dugout anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Budge is most likely confused and bewildered by it all. I think she thought running Hearts would all be boardroom drinky poos and sharing bars of chocolate in late night trysts with Dempster whilst Craig deals with everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere. Berra believes players affected by fans https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/17906601.amp/ Edited September 17, 2019 by Newton51 Update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDevriesScores4 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/17906601.amp/ Another article attempting to shift the clubs abject failure over the last 3 years onto the fans. If players can’t take justified criticism for the inflated salaries they earn, they’re in the wrong profession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Coming in when you are bottom of the table means the only way can be up. Blank canvas job - the 5 year plan failed spectacularly. Budge will see it differently mind as tampon machines were part of her 5 year plan. Football fans however see results (perish he thought) as success and failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Craig is only doing what is instinct self preservation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 WHAT DO WE WANT? ANOTHER THREAD WHEN DO WE WANT IT? NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Sitting in the house? Bored? Wanting to start a thread but dont know what about? Then just regurgitate the same thread for the 627th time. Job done and back to watching Doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Doctors **** missed it what happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I blame the supporters personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, pointon said: Craig is only doing what is instinct self preservation Anybody with a genuine love for the club would've held their hands up and walked away with their self respect and the respect of the supporters intact. He hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Noah Claypole said: I blame the supporters personally. Give Budge time. She'll squeeze the fans onto the naughty step (again) when she eventually does punt Levein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Is bombscare Berra actually blaming the fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Imagine sitting here next Thursday with 2 wins. Going to be a lot of people bored, confused, world in a spin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 And still the silence continues ,budge front up or go yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Imagine sitting here next Thursday with 2 wins. Going to be a lot of people bored, confused, world in a spin Only trolls will be disappointed if we win the next two games. Everyone else will be delighted. Edited September 17, 2019 by Boab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Imagine sitting here next Thursday with 2 wins. Going to be a lot of people bored, confused, world in a spin Aye, because that will make everything in the garden rosy again. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Boab said: Only trolls will be disappointed if we lose the next two games. Everyone else will be delighted. Exactly Boab. Seems to be a battle to be the most outraged rebel, all most of us want is a winning team, this unfortunately is the result of a losing team. Sounds to me as if he has been given, privately, as it should be, a time frame to get the thing going in the right direction again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said: Aye, because that will make everything in the garden rosy again. 🙄 What winning games? You don't think that's a good thing, steps in the right direction, against probably closest rivals? You prefer a disaster movie? Fair enough, I'm all for Hearts winning games myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Sir Gio said: What winning games? You don't think that's a good thing, steps in the right direction, against probably closest rivals? You prefer a disaster movie? Fair enough, I'm all for Hearts winning games myself Unbelievable that folk like you are still backing him. Incredible really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Sir Gio said: Exactly Boab. Seems to be a battle to be the most outraged rebel, all most of us want is a winning team, this unfortunately is the result of a losing team. Sounds to me as if he has been given, privately, as it should be, a time frame to get the thing going in the right direction again. I don’t think he should get it and think it will get worse before it gets better but if there was a turnaround, i’m man enough to hold my hand up and say I was wrong. I just can’t see it. The lack of confidence in the players on Saturday was startling. That comes from Levein, not us, no matter what he or Berra says about it. He looked lost on Saturday, occasionally appearing from the dug out with a half hearted applause while his opposite number was haring about, urging his team on. Time is up for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: What winning games? You don't think that's a good thing, steps in the right direction, against probably closest rivals? You prefer a disaster movie? Fair enough, I'm all for Hearts winning games myself I think most people just want him gone now regardless. They don't think he has what it takes to take us forward, even if he does manage the odd win here and there. He's just not got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Unbelievable that folk like you are still backing him. Incredible really. Who said I was backing him? But its exactly shite posts like this that makes me feel more inclined to support him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Boab said: I don’t think he should get it and think it will get worse before it gets better but if there was a turnaround, i’m man enough to hold my hand up and say I was wrong. I just can’t see it. The lack of confidence in the players on Saturday was startling. That comes from Levein, not us, no matter what he or Berra says about it. He looked lost on Saturday, occasionally appearing from the dug out with a half hearted applause while his opposite number was haring about, urging his team on. Time is up for him. 4 minutes ago, innerjambo said: I think most people just want him gone now regardless. They don't think he has what it takes to take us forward, even if he does manage the odd win here and there. He's just not got it. But he's not gone is he? And he doesn't look like going this week now. He spoke about 2 wins, and sitting 6 weeks from now in a far healthier position. That indicates to me he has been given a time frame to work in to improve matters. This wont go on indefinitely, he has admitted that between the lines in his interview. Why come out with a vote of confidence, or a statement unless it is final. Not worth the paper its written on, so onto Sunday, and I assume the LC QF, when I expect if it has not gotten any better, it will be over. But you are not going to bin him if he is successful in the next week. It just wont happen. I haven't noticed anything on cost impact, what has he left on the contract 10 or 11 months? Edited September 17, 2019 by Sir Gio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Who said I was backing him? But its exactly shite posts like this that makes me feel more inclined to support him You’re inclined to support a boss that’s overseen one of the worst runs in the clubs history because some random says something you don’t like on a forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, GinRummy said: You’re inclined to support a boss that’s overseen one of the worst runs in the clubs history because some random says something you don’t like on a forum? Missing the point spectacularly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Silence has been broken at ****ing last. We are finally addressing those key matters that are threatening our very SPL existence. https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/ninety-minutes-business-support-series This is the kind of ****ing shit that is boiling my piss! Who gives a **** Budge - this is football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: But he's not gone is he? And he doesn't look like going this week now. He spoke about 2 wins, and sitting 6 weeks from now in a far healthier position. That indicates to me he has been given a time frame to work in to improve matters. This wont go on indefinitely, he has admitted that between the lines in his interview. Why come out with a vote of confidence, or a statement unless it is final. Not worth the paper its written on, so onto Sunday, and I assume the LC QF, when I expect if it has not gotten any better, it will be over. But you are not going to bin him if he is successful in the next week. It just wont happen. I haven't noticed anything on cost impact, what has he left on the contract 10 or 11 months? Problem is, this is not the first time he has said he will fix it. I don’t know exactly how many times he has but people are getting tired of the same shite, every interview. You don’t need to read between the lines of his statements anymore, he’s actually saying it....” i’m basically saying the same thing, over and over...” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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