U.S. Politics megathread (merged)

[Dawnrazor]

17 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

 

She's out of his league!

[JFK-1]

Semafor's Washington Bureau Chief, Benjy Sarlin, discusses a possible third party run for Trump in 2024.

 

 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

38 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

Semafor's Washington Bureau Chief, Benjy Sarlin, discusses a possible third party run for Trump in 2024.

 

 

 

The only possible good thing that could come out of this. It would absolutely split the GOP in two, which would be a badly needed outcome.

[trotter]

21 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

In the immortal words of Christopher Hitchens:

 

“She's got no charisma of any kind [but] I can imagine her being mildly useful to a low-rank porn director.”

Already done (sort of)

[Cade]

Kanye West announces his presidential run for 2024.

 

 

[Maple Leaf]

4 hours ago, Cade said:

Kanye West announces his presidential run for 2024.

 

 

And here was me thinking that he'd be Trump's veep.

 

[JFK-1]

5 hours ago, Cade said:

Kanye West announces his presidential run for 2024.

 

 

 

Brilliant, all wackos should run. He can be a 4th party candidate while Alex Jones can be a 5th and maybe the Jewish space laser woman can be a 6th.  The bonfire of the crazies.

[JFK-1]

Going to post a video of an excellent breakdown including all latest developments of the coup plot from planning pre-election to attempted execution through multiple avenues. The storming of the capitol was just the last ditch attempt after all other avenues including Pence refusing to break the law had failed.

 

Keeping in mind this 39 minute presentation is barely a scratch on the surface of what the DOJ and Jan 6th committee will produce, it's becoming ever clearer the attempted coup is cut and dried. Absolutely no way out.

 

Or maybe just one which I have seen speculated by legal experts, but while they considered it a possibility they thought it unlikely at that stage which was weeks ago.

 

They were speculating an insanity plea and I suppose after all of my noted Trump hating, I would probably be guilty of having said long ago he was insane. But I hope his ego prevents that.

 

I will change my diagnosis of Trump from insane to mentally challenged malevolence syndrome. A new condition existing only in him. The skin of the infected may turn orange and the hands shrink to become disproportionately small in comparison to the body.

 

 

[ri Alban]

6 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

Going to post a video of an excellent breakdown including all latest developments of the coup plot from planning pre-election to attempted execution through multiple avenues. The storming of the capitol was just the last ditch attempt after all other avenues including Pence refusing to break the law had failed.

 

Keeping in mind this 39 minute presentation is barely a scratch on the surface of what the DOJ and Jan 6th committee will produce, it's becoming ever clearer the attempted coup is cut and dried. Absolutely no way out.

 

Or maybe just one which I have seen speculated by legal experts, but while they considered it a possibility they thought it unlikely at that stage which was weeks ago.

 

They were speculating an insanity plea and I suppose after all of my noted Trump hating, I would probably be guilty of having said long ago he was insane. But I hope his ego prevents that.

 

I will change my diagnosis of Trump from insane to mentally challenged malevolence syndrome. A new condition existing only in him. The skin of the infected may turn orange and the hands shrink to become disproportionately small in comparison to the body.

 

 

You know his followers don't care, right. Even folk from here want him to win, just because his vision is what they want the world to be like. White power.

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

You know his followers don't care, right. Even folk from here want him to win, just because his vision is what they want the world to be like. White power.

 

You're right.

After a particularly damning speech from the January 6th Committee a few weeks ago, where Trump was practically branded as a traitor, Trump's popularity rating actually went up.

His cult members will never abandon him because he's doing what they want him to do.

[JFK-1]

I don't think anybody cares anymore about the trumpets. They're a lost cause we can only put down to extreme stupidity in I suspect a large number, and another segment who know exactly what Trump is and know he's an idiot and a liar. But they don't care for a variety of reasons.

It might be apt to quote Batman's butler Alfred Pennyworth from the Dark Knight

“Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”

That's exactly what we're looking at here and there is little point in trying to change them now. What the committee and DOJ are focusing on is demonstrating that this was indisputably a full blown criminal coup attempt and they're doing it far better than I suspected they might when this began.

The election results are a reflection of what they're doing, the sane majority saw the indisputable evidence which motivated them to get out and vote because they now fully understand what's at stake thanks to the Jan 6th committee. This is about taking down Trump and that's happening regardless of extremist trumpets.

 

I think a Trump infested GOP is doomed to lose the next election too and they don't know how to be cured of this infection. Guarantee they wish they had impeached him now.

 

Twice they had the chance while on both occasions there was incontrovertible evidence of extreme abuse of power. He's on tape trying to strong arm Zelensky for crying out loud but they went along with his "perfect call" absurdity.

 

He's on video and audio inciting an attack on the capitol which they also declined to impeach him for. A crime he's now highly likely to be criminally charged for far less impeached. And still  they didn't impeach him. That should be a stain on every last one of them for life, it was unforgivable.

 

But now they would do anything to be rid of him which suggests to me there will be bipartisan maneuvering in the background to make sure he's taken down. That absolutely nothing gets in the way of indicting him with this incontrovertible evidence of a months long plot to execute a coup.

 

All cult leaders die, the trumpets will just have to live with it.

[JFK-1]

I have also seen chatter that the Jan 6th  committee have been heavily focusing on a facet of it that hasn't been gone over in the public hearings, and maybe that makes sense. Wouldn't it be all the more effective when they publish if they have saved some really big stuff for that?

 

If it were all stuff we already know it wouldn't have the same let's say boom effect. What's being suggested is they're heavily into why Trump wanted to go the capitol when he knew the mob had already arrived there and trouble was already beginning to kick off.

 

What did he intend to do there? Well given the earlier antics and rhetoric that set it in motion I'm fully confident he didn't want to be there to make sure it all remained peaceful. Once Trump knew that Pence wasn't going to play ball the only way to carry this on is to get into the capitol and physically prevent the transfer of power taking place.

 

He probably didn't know for sure they would actually storm the capitol, break in there. Though there is this militia factor such as the oathkeepers and others involved who went there intent to do so. More than that, they were intent on hunting down anyone such as Nancy Pelosi and now Pence who they deemed as enemies.

 

I think Trump wanted to go there to effectively clear a path for the mob into the capitol. Are cops at barriers etc. going to stop Trump and his secret service security team going through there? With the orange bumpkin screaming i'm the president and the mob behind him?

 

He wanted to lead that entire mob into the capitol to disrupt this proceeding in every way possible. He would probably have gone looking for Pence trailing the mob behind him. Wonder what would have happened if Trump and the mob got to Pence and now we're looking at Pence's armed bodyguard's facing off against Trumps and the mob?

 

If they actually have been heavily focusing on this factor them there must be a lot of actual data rather than my mere speculation. I know the bodyguard's who were in the car he tried to take to the capitol have been questioned. They might provide something, but that wouldn't require a heavy focus would it?

 

I suppose there might potentially be damning texts/emails from the day itself, unfolding as the entire event unfolded. More speculation obviously but if they have been heavily focusing on this I definitely feel they may have something significant to give their final report a boom factor.

[Ulysses]

[JFK-1]

This guy is looking at Trump running again from the viewpoint that he's going to be indicted which by now I think we might all agree he clearly is. He thinks indictments, ironically, may likely actually strengthen Trumps position within the party, but will be disastrous for any Republican election hopes. Obviously good news for the Democrats.

 

What I don't get about it is how can he make a run for president when he's going to be in and out of court rooms in perpetuity, and very likely convicted on a very serious charge.

 

Now I know Trump probably isn't even seriously running for President with any real hope of winning. He's doing it for other malevolent and selfish reasons which don't include a shred of concern for the Republican party. Go Trump on that score.

 

I have heard indictments are likely to begin falling early December, surely they can have him tied up in court and convicted prior to any election. A lot of this stuff is pretty much cut and dried, with absolutely nothing coming from Trumps defence team to negate anything.

 

Probably because there is absolutely nothing, no way out but maybe an insanity plea. Can somebody plead insanity and still run for president at the same time? Okay he's being declared insane, but that's okay? No laws against the insane running?

 

If he's still on the loose come election time and he is their candidate,, well I suppose it's still a win because he's unelectable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ri Alban]

53 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

This guy is looking at Trump running again from the viewpoint that he's going to be indicted which by now I think we might all agree he clearly is. He thinks indictments, ironically, may likely actually strengthen Trumps position within the party, but will be disastrous for any Republican election hopes. Obviously good news for the Democrats.

 

What I don't get about it is how can he make a run for president when he's going to be in and out of court rooms in perpetuity, and very likely convicted on a very serious charge.

 

Now I know Trump probably isn't even seriously running for President with any real hope of winning. He's doing it for other malevolent and selfish reasons which don't include a shred of concern for the Republican party. Go Trump on that score.

 

I have heard indictments are likely to begin falling early December, surely they can have him tied up in court and convicted prior to any election. A lot of this stuff is pretty much cut and dried, with absolutely nothing coming from Trumps defence team to negate anything.

 

Probably because there is absolutely nothing, no way out but maybe an insanity plea. Can somebody plead insanity and still run for president at the same time? Okay he's being declared insane, but that's okay? No laws against the insane running?

 

If he's still on the loose come election time and he is their candidate,, well I suppose it's still a win because he's unelectable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is electable, his supporters and the other republicans don't care. It's them or us. Simple.

[indianajones]

Time for an independent. 

 

Those two parties are as bad as our ones. 

 

[RobboM]

1 hour ago, indianajones said:

Time for an independent. 

 

Those two parties are as bad as our ones. 

 

Ain't gonna happen. I listened to the Americast podcast last week. The Congressional contest in Pennsylvania between John Fetterman and Dr Oz pissed away $300m. That's ONE contest for Senate and there 100 of them let alone House of Representatives and, of course, Presidency elections. It's nuts.

[Maple Leaf]

13 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

It's surprising how little publicity this got.

 

According to Trump, Kanye West just "dropped in" by surprise with some friends, and decided to stay for dinner.  OK then.

[JFK-1]

I'm beginning to like the orange bumpkin on some level. He's wrecking their party. Deliberately.

[Maple Leaf]

13 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

I'm beginning to like the orange bumpkin on some level. He's wrecking their party. Deliberately.

If he doesn't get the GOP nomination I could see him running as an independent, or as head of a newly formed party.  If he's wrecking the Party now, that would bury it.

[Lone Striker]

2 members of the Oath Keepers found guilty of sedition !!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63802649

[Lone Striker]

A very Interesting chat between Louis Theroux and Gabriel Gatehouse (BBC) on the origins of how the internet enabled minority deep state conspiracy theories to eventually produce a President of the USA.     A 10-minute listen

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0dgxhnm

 

Text version -

 

1. The riots were fuelled by a conspiracy theory about a cabal of satanic paedophiles and a stolen election

The QAnon movement was predominantly behind the events of 6th January. And one man – bellowing in the Rotunda of the Capitol in a horned headdress – came to be seen by the media as their mascot. This man is Jacob Chansley – aka Yellowstone Wolf, Jake Angeli, or the QAnon Shaman.

 

Gabriel first met Jacob outside the counting station in Phoenix Arizona, where people believed the election had been stolen. “He starts telling me about this cabal of Satanic paedophiles that he believes are involved in it, and that’s kind of my first exposure to QAnon.” The journalist decided not to interview the shaman for Newsnight. However, two months later, there he was at the centre of the Capitol.

t. However, two months later, there he was at the centre of the Capitol.

“I realised that, actually, I’d made a big mistake,” says Gabriel. “I had assumed that what he was talking about was this niche thing that had no bearing on the big thrust of world events in American politics, and it was quite the opposite… This story about a cabal of satanic paedophiles that had captured the deep state had got into his head, but it had also spread to the heads of millions of other Americans and it was now the driving force in American politics.”

2. A big source of QAnon’s power was its participatory nature

“The thing that was different about QAnon from all of the previous big conspiracy theories was that it was a participatory thing,” explains Gabriel. “You didn’t just sit there on the internet and passively receive this secret knowledge that would make you feel powerful." There were “Q drops” being left by someone “pretending to be a person in the Pentagon with access to high level secrets.” The pair thought by some to be behind it were Jim Watkins, an “eccentric American pig farmer in the Philippines”, and his “techy” son, Ron, although they deny this.

“[Q was] dropping cryptic clues, so your job as a QAnon adherent was to do the research, do the work, spend lots of time online pulling together the threads, and together you would help bring about The Storm,” explains Gabriel. This would be the moment at which the cabal would be brought down. “You were helping to save the world,” says Gabriel. “I think that was a big source of its power and its strength.”

3. QAnon was born on an online message board called 4Chan

QAnon started its life on 4Chan. “4Chan was this image board, basically a message board, a kind of proto-Facebook before Facebook,” explains Gabriel. One devotee he interviewed described is as "kids who basically felt like they had no hope in life, sat around in their parents’ basements… surrounded by junk food takeaway mess,” trolling people online.

 

 

But before it became that “nihilistic despair space” which gave birth to QAnon, it was where the hacker collective Anonymous planned their attacks on Scientology and big institutions of the global economy (before being squished by the FBI).

4. QAnon believed that Trump was in power to bring down the establishment from the inside

Many QAnon devotees believed that Trump was the only person who could defeat the Satanic elite. “For the QAnon community, Donald Trump is seen as a sort of visionary, a sort of warrior for justice and someone who is going to take down the elites and take down the shadowy evil-doers,” says Louis.

Louis says that, early on, he was struck by the fact that “new-agey people”, ufologists, people involved in crystal energy and cult-like behaviours, saw Trump as one of them. “He really has an extraordinary status to all sorts of fringe figures,” says Louis. “And the central idea in QAnon is that he somehow got into power almost by accident, and is now going to take it down from the inside.”

5. The 90s book that predicted much of what’s happening in the US

The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age, is a book by James Dale Davidson, an American investor, and Lord William Rees-Mogg, former editor of The Times (and father of MP Jacob).

It was written in 1997, and “it’s just incredibly prophetic about what effects the internet is going to have,” says Gabriel. The authors also predict the Trump “base”: that this new technology is going to lead to “an intense and even violent nationalist reaction, centred amongst those who lose status, income and power.”

The book – which predicts that the nation state will die and be replaced by unimaginably powerful, sovereign individuals who will rule the world – turns out to be a bible to various people, including the tech billionaire and huge Trump supporter, Peter Thiel.

6. The “Clinton Body Count” theory was another precursor to QAnon conspiracies

Gabriel explains that the authors of The Sovereign Individual were also amongst those writing about the Clintons in the nineties.

 

A theory they wrote about from the early '90s suggested that Vince Foster, a Whitehouse lawyer and friend of the Clintons who committed suicide in 1993, had in fact been murdered. One of the authors said he was just trying to get to the bottom of what was a mystery. “This then metastasised into the Clinton Body Count, which said that the Clintons had had upwards of 50 of their political enemies murdered,” says Gabriel. "It was the beginnings of the murderous criminal cabal with Hilary Clinton at its centre.”

These stories were “precursors to the conspiracy theories that fed QAnon and then animated the storming of the Capitol.”

 

7. Hunter Biden’s laptop gave more fuel to the fire

Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, was in the midst of a breakdown when he left his laptop – containing thousands of emails – in a repair shop. “Hunter Biden was leveraging his family name, while his father was Vice-President of the United States, to do some quite lucrative business in countries like Ukraine and China,” explains Gabriel. There is no evidence that Joe Biden profited from these deals and he denies knowing about them.

The “Trumper” who found the laptop sent it to Trump’s men, who sent its contents out into the mainstream media. But although the story gets traction on the right, “the centre squishes it,” says Gabriel. Establishment papers pour scorn on it. And the FBI flag it as Russian disinformation, so that wherever it goes on social media, it’s removed.

 

“On the right, there’s this narrative that there’s this cover up,” says Gabriel, to stop information damaging Biden three weeks before the election. It’s branded a conspiracy.

8. The idea of “left” and “right” is no longer useful when looking at this world

At a QAnon conference in Dallas, Gabriel met Bernie Sanders supporters “who had become entirely disillusioned with the idea that the Democratic party would ever represent their left-of-centre views.”

“I think it’s time to stop talking about left and right,” says Gabriel, “and to talk about the centre – the establishment – versus all the other stuff on the outside.” The centre is being assailed from all angles, he says. Whether on the right or left, it’s “people who don’t feel they are represented by or benefitting from the status quo.”

“But on the fringes of that there are Machiavellian figures who are using this movement,” suggests the journalist, “for their own ends.”

[JFK-1]

Trump has to face the same charges the oathkeepers did, seditious conspiracy. Without him, there would have been no sedition or conspiracy.

 

Ask the people going to jail for it. They have been saying Trump called them to do it, which he did. We saw him do it.

[JFK-1]

This guy they convicted who could apparently be looking at decades in jail. I was wondering if he might now be up for giving us details of some sort of communication directly with Trump or Trump associates. And now he has gone down on this charge others who are also facing the same charge might start thinking the same thing.

 

Apparently the charge itself was viewed as something of a gamble, this charge can be hard to prove. And I bet it usually is, but in this case these fruitcakes were broadcasting their intentions sometimes live.

 

The cops will have captured phones littered with it among other digital evidence to the extent I bet they didn't even produce everything they have to get the conviction. They didn't have to, it was cut and dried. And in my view it's exactly the same in the case of Trump, and this is exactly what he deserves.

 

He deserves to be branded the biggest traitor in US history, a former president convicted on seditious conspiracy with overwhelming evidence for the historical record.

 

“All of those defendants who are facing seditious conspiracy charges now have to look at this verdict and think that the likelihood of their conviction has just gone up,” says former U.S. attorney Barbara McQuade.

 

 

 

[JFK-1]

This is an excellent point regarding the GOP insanity of positing Jan 6th as a bunch of day trippers. Those people who were carrying confederate flags into the capitol after erecting gallows and a noose outside chanting about hanging the VP. All perfectly normal capitol tourist fun.

 

How are they going to continue with that line as those people are convicted of seditious conspiracy and thrown in jail for decades.

 

Seditious Conspiracy Verdict Deals Rebuke To GOP Gaslighting On Jan. 6 Riot

 

 

 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

This is a key bit to understanding how long this is being drawn out. The GOP still has enormous power at the state level, and even as the Trumpies' influence wanes, they still have the party by the balls.

 

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/could-big-kev-be-toast/sharetoken/Ag4vbmWuID5j

 

McCarthy is going to have to dance to their tune for his entire tenure as Speaker. He's going to be quite possibly the least powerful Speaker of my lifetime because of it.

[JFK-1]

So in a previous post and on another thread I said Trump was a low IQ grunt who if he spoke in court would talk himself straight into jail, because he's that stupid. That upset someone on the other thread, seems some people don't like Trump being called a  moron.

 

If anyone here is upset by me calling Trump thick as a brick you should leave now. Because Trump is a probably the thickest piece of stupidity I have ever seen given a platform to grunt so much on TV. And now he's at it again.

 

Trump has admitted, on this own truth thing whatever the hell it is, that he stole government documents.

 

If brains were dynamite this mentally challenged tango man wouldn't have enough to blow his own head off. Maybe not even that hair, or whatever that is glued on to his empty orange head.

 

No wonder I keep saying his guilt is cut and dried. 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2022 by JFK-1

[Unknown user]

4 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

So in a previous post and on another thread I said Trump was a low IQ grunt who if he spoke in court would talk himself straight into jail, because he's that stupid. That upset someone on the other thread, seems some people don't like Trump being called a  moron.

 

If anyone here is upset by me calling Trump thick as a brick you should leave now. Because Trump is a probably the thickest piece of stupidity I have ever seen given a platform to grunt so much on TV. And now he's at it again.

 

Trump has admitted, on this own truth thing whatever the hell it is, that he stole government documents.

 

If brains were dynamite this mentally challenged tango man wouldn't have enough to blow his own head off. Maybe not even that hair, or whatever that is glued on to his empty orange head.

 

No wonder I keep saying his guilt is cut and dried. 

 

 

Who honestly thinks Trump isn't a moron?

[JFK-1]

40 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Who honestly thinks Trump isn't a moron?

 

Can't remember who it was, but took offence on that other Trump thread about a sherricking of Trump I had posted. I said he was so stupid if he speaks in court he will talk himself right into jail. Turns out I was overestimating his intelligence, he's talking himself into jail online.

 

In that video they made some interesting speculation about this bizarre behaviour.

[ri Alban]

I blame Herschel Walker for the 90s Dallas Cowboys dynasty.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

11 hours ago, Smithee said:

Who honestly thinks Trump isn't a moron?

 

If I'm being pedantic, I think he's got his own kind of brilliance. If his confidence artistry were easy, everyone would do it, but he's a particular savant at it, and he's used it to work over bankers, creditors, contractors, politicians, voters, GOP party leaders, you name it. There's a particular kind of dark genius in his manipulation.

 

That said he's at the very least dyslexic and extremely sensitive about it, hasn't the slightest amount of intellectual curiosity, and is so narcissistic that he's almost incapable of learning things. He acquires information strictly on the basis of how he can use it in petty power moves. If he thinks a tidbit gives him a bit of leverage, he latches on to it, regardless of whether it's true or not.

 

Of course in terms of his most destructive vices, being ignorant doesn't even make the top 10 list.

[JFK-1]

1 hour ago, Led Tasso said:

 

If I'm being pedantic, I think he's got his own kind of brilliance. If his confidence artistry were easy, everyone would do it, but he's a particular savant at it, and he's used it to work over bankers, creditors, contractors, politicians, voters, GOP party leaders, you name it. There's a particular kind of dark genius in his manipulation.

 

That said he's at the very least dyslexic and extremely sensitive about it, hasn't the slightest amount of intellectual curiosity, and is so narcissistic that he's almost incapable of learning things. He acquires information strictly on the basis of how he can use it in petty power moves. If he thinks a tidbit gives him a bit of leverage, he latches on to it, regardless of whether it's true or not.

 

Of course in terms of his most destructive vices, being ignorant doesn't even make the top 10 list.

 

I don't see any kind of brilliance in Trump, though i'm a noted Trump hater so maybe i'm biased. Trump developed the shit he talks that gets him a base at those stupid rallies. Says oceans of stupid shit, and some of get an especially big yeeha, for Trump that's like a pat on the head for a dog.

 

Ever seen a dog that wants attention? He might use his muzzle to nudge your hand to indicate hey get some head patting or something going on here.

 

Is that smart? Trump in place of muzzle nudging says whatever gets him the most enthusiastic pat on the head. I think I have known more creative dogs than Trump.

 

Trump reminds me of the serial killer Fred West. He had such a low IQ a 'responsible adult' had to be present at all questioning as if he were a child. Yet this barely literate idiot got away with serial murder for decades. And was able to lure women into his home and into a position where he would ultimately rape and kill them.

 

I see West as actually smarter than Trump in let's say their respective activities.  Trump even had smart people around him trying to advise and that has to help. All West had was the wife and she was no Marie Curie either. Yet they were successful for much longer than Trump if you only include his activities since 2015.

 

I see a change in Trumps demeanour recently. He always used to have this smug dismissive look on his face and in his voice. His face and his voice have lost that smug appearance and he's begun to take on a pleading desperate demeanour in both face and voice. 

 

I think Trump could deteriorate still further into an even greater spectacle, imagine that given everything that's already occurred. Everything just continually gets worse for him, I would include the recent conviction on seditious conspiracy charges in that.

 

That guy at base did nothing Trump wasn't doing. I can envisage him being hit with the same charges and facing the same overwhelming evidence that he was involved in a conspiracy against the government.

 

That suit of armour he thought he had is being stripped away and I don't think he can take it. He recently started attacking the special counsels wife, when Trump does that it's a dog whistle to get the mob harassing her and him. It's an attempt to intimidate the special counsel.

 

Judging what I have heard about this guy not only wont it intimidate him it will actually inspire him further. Apparently it's not unusual for a special counsel to come up with further charges the DOJ had overlooked. A fresh eye it seems catches further minute details.

[Captain Slog]

Below is a poster i picked up from a US army Base.

 

Big red one is stationed there, as you can see from the poster.  The base is Fort Riley, which has a claim to fame as being the origin of Spanish Flu to make the poster even more ironic.

 

I'll leave it up to you as to whether American military personnel are being fed the correct information.

 

 

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[Captain Slog]

Sorry, iget an unkown server error uploading.

 

Poster states there has been 2.5 million cases of covid in the US, and there is no vaccine or therapy.

[JFK-1]

Kanye says he told Trump he was not loyal enough to the insurrectionists. Just days later, Trump sends a message of support to a group attempting to paint them as political prisoners.

 

 

[Maple Leaf]

4 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

Kanye says he told Trump he was not loyal enough to the insurrectionists. Just days later, Trump sends a message of support to a group attempting to paint them as political prisoners.

 

 

Can the USA get any crazier?  Kanye West gives advice to Trump, and Trump takes it.

 

As for that short speech by Trump at the end of that clip, what a slavering clown.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

2 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

Can the USA get any crazier?  Kanye West gives advice to Trump, and Trump takes it.

 

As for that short speech by Trump at the end of that clip, what a slavering clown.

If you need to relax, enjoy the House GOP devouring itself into dysfunction.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/02/who-could-be-speaker-if-not-kevin-mccarthy/

 

For once in history, the Democrats are the well organized, disciplined party and the GOP are the hot mess.

[JFK-1]

Well I expect this is the only solution to a failed coup, cancel the constitution. Though Trump, idiot that he is, offers no further detail on what cancelling the constitution is supposed to do.

 

The White House has condemned former President Donald Trump after he called for the "termination" of the US constitution. 

 

FULL ARTICLE: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63851751

[JFK-1]

You know I think many of these people are simply gun wackos casting around for something to focus their wackery on, any old militia will do it. This is abnormal.

 

Ironically at one point in this video Rhodes will say "it's an obligation all of us have to support and defend the constitution" while we now have Trump saying the exact opposite, down with the constitution.

 

And I expect these gun wackos can just as easily get on board with that since being a gun wacko is the main objective. Playing soldiers which I grew out of a long time ago. Might be harder for the GOP to start pushing such insanity, but who knows.

 

They might just say nothing at all about it.

 

 

[JFK-1]

And more about the Hunter Biden case, whatever that is. A claim being made is that twitter, pre musk, conspired with the US government to hide evidence of Hunter Biden doing, well I don't know what he's suppose to be doing. But twitter were conspiring with the US government to hide it, allegedly.

 

Thing is in that time period the US government was the GOP and Trump. They were conspiring with twitter to hide evidence of Hunter Biden alleged crimes?

 

And now we know something of the posts twitter was actually deleting. Nudes of Hunter Biden which would be deleted anyway no matter who they were. And as this guy says, who knows what it will do to Hunter Biden's presidential campaign?

 

No wait a minute he doesn't have one. So I dunno what it's supposed to do. Incidentally I always wondered why people would want to keep nudes of themselves in a laptop for example. I can see myself nude in a mirror every day if I want to, I don't need photos. And I don't really want to either. Seen it done it.

 

But each to their own as it's harmless and apparently common among celebrities. 

 

BREAKING: Trump makes most DANGEROUS demand of the year.

 

 

[Unknown user]

6 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

Well I expect this is the only solution to a failed coup, cancel the constitution. Though Trump, idiot that he is, offers no further detail on what cancelling the constitution is supposed to do.

 

The White House has condemned former President Donald Trump after he called for the "termination" of the US constitution. 

 

FULL ARTICLE: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63851751

 

Head shakingly mental

[JFK-1]

On 03/12/2022 at 09:37, Maple Leaf said:

Can the USA get any crazier?

 

Absolutely it can, I keep saying it and Trump continues making me kook prophetic almost daily.

 

On 01/12/2022 at 17:26, JFK-1 said:

I think Trump could deteriorate still further into an even greater spectacle

 

Do we really think terminate the constitution as as insane as it gets? 

[JFK-1]

So how can anyone say they're qualified for a leadership role which a key element of is protecting the constitution, while saying the constitution should be "terminated"

 

Now I know I allegedly have a suspect posting history when it comes to Trump, yet none of the allegations produce anything suspect I have said that could be disputed. Which makes the allegation and those who make them, extremly suspect.

 

Despite the fact this isn't twitter, everything I have ever said about Trump on this forum is largely in this thread and right there for anyone to see and dispute if they want to.

 

In fact I would like that, if I have said anything in any way erroneous I want it disputed so I can correct my mistaken views, but no one offers anything. Which I deem suspect. If i'm disputing something i'm going to have rational information to dispute it with, or not at all.

 

I hate Trump for all the obvious reasons, he's clearly of low intellect and exhibits mental disturbance way beyond mere stupidity. He's malevolent, narcissistic, a compulsive liar who will lie even when there's no rational reason to do so.

 

Anybody who isn't seeing what i'm seeing, in my view, has issues of their own.  His unfitness as just a human being far less a political leader is indisputable, always has been and he simply demonstrates it further every time he opens his stupid mouth.

 

Seems what prompted Trumps latest river of utter shite is twitter removing nude pics of Hunter Biden, "a massive fraud" which justifies terminating the constitution and putting a simpleton back in the white house.

 

I expect this guy hates Trump too, and apparently that makes him suspect too I suppose, only Tucker Carlson can be trusted by the witless trumpets? It's bizarre and I don't know who is the dumber between them, Trump or the trumpets.

 

Incidentally if you are one of these who get upset at Trump being labelled thick as a brick don't watch this. This guy is going to call him breathtakingly stupid.

 

I said on another thread Trump was so incredibly stupid if he ever talked in court he would talk himself straight into jail. And here he is doing exactly what I said he would even before they get him into court.

 

 

 

 

 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

Following the November election, the chances that Trump will be the GOP nominee in 2024 continue to decline.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/12/05/trump-2024-polls/

 

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Former president Donald Trump launched his campaign to return to the White House in 2024 on Nov. 15, just a week after costing his party for, arguably, the third election in a row.

And pretty much every sign since then confirms that his grip on his party’s nomination continues to slip — apparently owing in no small part to his electoral setback in the midterms.

 

 

We’ve seen relatively little polling of the 2024 campaign since then. But what we have seen suggests Republican-leaning voters are souring on Trump 2024 and increasingly prefer an alternative who they see as more electable — particularly Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

The head-to-head is as competitive as it has ever been. An Economist/YouGov poll last week showed Trump at 36 percent and DeSantis at 30 percent in a crowded field.

 

But when you distill the race to two candidates, the verdict is much less favorable for Trump. Another Economist/YouGov poll from two weeks earlier showed DeSantis up 36 percent to 29 percent in that scenario. A Quinnipiac University poll released in late November showed each at 44 percent among Republicans. And a poll from Marquette University law school actually showed DeSantis with a 20-point lead when you include GOP-leaning independents, 60 percent to 40 percent.

 

This is encouraging in some ways, as Trump was destructive in unique ways, but DeSantis has shown a steadfast commitment to being as cruel and capricious and racist as Trump but without the blundering, nepotism, and narcissism. That's in some ways even more dangerous than Trump.

 

The flip of it is that Trump has an appeal that came from decades of fawning NY-based media coverage extolling his "business genius" and a whole reality game show built around that myth, and that some liked him because he "wasn't a typical politician," something which will be much harder for DeSantis to pull off.

 

It also probably lessens the likelihood that Biden runs again, which is probably good for many reasons. (Biden sees himself as fairly uniquely capable of holding together a coalition to stop Trump in particular, a conceit that I would normally dismiss as typical politician egotism, but in this case I'm not totally sure he's wrong.)  I think he'd be far less capable at countering DeSantis—Gretchen Whitmer would probably be a far better match for him.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

The one thing I should add here is that there is of course the possibility that Trump decides to run as an independent, as keeps getting mooted in various chambers. This is probably just Democratic pipe dreams said after a few drinks because of the utter carnage it would cause in the GOP and the Democratic supermajority that it would probably produce, so rather indulge that I'll assume it isn't going to happen and just be delightfully surprised if it does.

[Lovecraft]

1 hour ago, Led Tasso said:

The one thing I should add here is that there is of course the possibility that Trump decides to run as an independent, as keeps getting mooted in various chambers. This is probably just Democratic pipe dreams said after a few drinks because of the utter carnage it would cause in the GOP and the Democratic supermajority that it would probably produce, so rather indulge that I'll assume it isn't going to happen and just be delightfully surprised if it does.

If Trump doesn't win the nomination for running for the GOP, there is about a 75%+ chance he will run as an independent.  

 

I'm sure he will be telling people in the Republican party this to win votes.

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

If Trump doesn't win the nomination for running for the GOP, there is about a 75%+ chance he will run as an independent.  

 

I'm sure he will be telling people in the Republican party this to win votes.

I'm sure he'll say that but he'd be guaranteed to lose, and that's not a game he likes to play.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

1 hour ago, Lovecraft said:

If Trump doesn't win the nomination for running for the GOP, there is about a 75%+ chance he will run as an independent.  

 

I'm sure he will be telling people in the Republican party this to win votes.

 

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

I'm sure he'll say that but he'd be guaranteed to lose, and that's not a game he likes to play.

 

It's a real puzzle, like the unstoppable force versus the immovable object. Which will triumph, his narcissism (which would convince him he'd win as an independent) or his cowardice (which would keep him from running a loss)?

 

I honestly don't know. I think the real answer lies in how well DeSantis is able to manage Trump's ego. DeSantis is, unfortunately, a very cynical but highly successful politician. I had held onto some faint hopes that Charlie Crist might be able to derail his train but DeSantis wiped the floor with him. I imagine DeSantis continues to consolidate his position as the frontrunner, then makes a pilgrimage to Mar a Lago and effectively promises Trump all kinds of hagiographies and tributes if he wins so long as Trump stays on the sidelines. If I were making an odds-on favorite as the most likely scenario, that'd be it.

[JFK-1]

Criminal referrals coming, more news later today.

 

The US congressional committee investigating last year's Capitol riot will make criminal referrals to the justice department, its chairman says.

 

Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, told reporters the committee had agreed to take the step but was still discussing who to refer.

 

It is expected to meet later on Tuesday to discuss the next steps.

 

FULL ARTICLE: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63877553

 

[JFK-1]

Herschel Walker asks what a pronoun is: "Pronouns? What’s a pronoun?"  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/herschel-walker-asks-what-a-pronoun-is-pronouns-whats-a-pronoun/ar-AA14A7XC

 

The sheer stupidity is quite incredible given that he's running to be a US senator with the educational/intellectual level of maybe a 10 year old. But in this dystopian country I think that can actually be a selling point.

 

The likes of the trumpets want someone like them, and since they're all thick as shite well that's what they want to represent them. Somebody at least as half witted as they are, or even dumber is okay too.

 

None of these smart people who know what pronouns are will be acceptable.