How Would You Vote in IndyRef2?

[SwindonJambo]

18 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

I pay tax in the UK. You'll be sure I'm voting locally should it arise in the area I live in. 

 

I pay tax and should therefore be represented.

 

I do. But I’m not enamoured with the choices on offer! I live in a seat where a chimpanzee in a blue rosette would win.  My dad had voted in every general election since 1959 and last year he was on holiday and didn’t bother voting by post or anything.

[JamboX2]

7 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

I do. But I’m not enamoured with the choices on offer! I live in a seat where a chimpanzee in a blue rosette would win.  My dad had voted in every general election since 1959 and last year he was on holiday and didn’t bother voting by post or anything.

 

To not vote - if you can you should - to me is to for 5 years remove yourself from the democratic process. I think it should be compulsory and an option be available on the ballot to say "abstain".

[Space Mackerel]

5 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

Everyone currently receiving grants will get much smaller ones after the U.K. leaves. We’re the 2nd biggest net donor. I can’t see the other net donors, Germany being the biggest, filling the gap. It won’t go down well with the Voters of these countries. I don’t think anyone’s saying Scotland’s shite. Its public finances would definitely need Early and very major surgery though. Austerity big style. As long as people accept and are prepared for that, in the early years anyway, then fine. 

 

Dug food salesman and uber UK nationalist Kev disagrees with your last part.

 

 

[SwindonJambo]

1 minute ago, JamboX2 said:

 

To not vote - if you can you should - to me is to for 5 years remove yourself from the democratic process. I think it should be compulsory and an option be available on the ballot to say "abstain".

 

I actually agree with that. There are only 2 countries in the free World I know of where voting is compulsory - Australia and Belgium. Not sure if they have an abstain option though.

 

A lass I work with throws all her polling cards in the bin!

[ri Alban]

40 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

You're a ray of eternal sunshine.

Indeed! ?

[ri Alban]

41 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

You have to be in it to win it. 

 

So, you’d better have a word with your fellow Nats who don’t see an immediate joining the EU as a priority. 

 

I don't think we should, but I'd like Scotland in the Single market, even if it meant all 4 freedoms until we did decide permanently. But in or out doesn't really bother me either way. 

[ri Alban]

44 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

I pay tax in the UK. You'll be sure I'm voting locally should it arise in the area I live in. 

 

I pay tax and should therefore be represented.

That's your perogative. I don't agree, but I don't disagree either. 

[SwindonJambo]

4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Dug food salesman and uber UK nationalist Kev disagrees with your last part.

 

 

 

I am not an Uber UK nationalist thanks. I'm anti royalist, don't cheer on or even watch England at football and detest Sevco as much as Septic.

 

That is one sentence. We don't know the rest of what he said or the context. That's the trouble with social media. As human attention spans shorten, people copy and paste Facebook memes, sounbytes, graphs and pretty pictures without context. The ignorant and lazy of mind take them as gospel and form their opinions based on them. And that goes for all sides.

 

Scotland has a very large public sector in relation to its population share. It also has a lower than average tax take per skull. The GERS figures may or may not be 100% accurate though the SNP were happy to quote them as gospel when favourable. What is not in any doubt at all is that Scotland would have a significant structural deficit that they need a plan to quicky reduce post indy or else the public finances would very quickly go to pot and result in a crap credit rating. 

 

I'm not at all against indy if it has clear majority support but I'm concerned that there's been absolutely no discussion or mention of the likely challenges from the Yes side. It's all 'it'll be alright on the night' stuff.

[ri Alban]

Leonard just said he'd oppose a second referendum even if the SNP wins a majority. But he'd back euref2 of the Labour Party vote it democratically. Hypocrite. 

[ri Alban]

17 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

I am not an Uber UK nationalist thanks. I'm anti royalist, don't cheer on or even watch England at football and detest Sevco as much as Septic.

 

That is one sentence. We don't know the rest of what he said or the context. That's the trouble with social media. As human attention spans shorten, people copy and paste Facebook memes, sounbytes, graphs and pretty pictures without context. The ignorant and lazy of mind take them as gospel and form their opinions based on them. And that goes for all sides.

 

Scotland has a very large public sector in relation to its population share. It also has a lower than average tax take per skull. The GERS figures may or may not be 100% accurate though the SNP were happy to quote them as gospel when favourable. What is not in any doubt at all is that Scotland would have a significant structural deficit that they need a plan to quicky reduce post indy or else the public finances would very quickly go to pot and result in a crap credit rating. 

 

I'm not at all against indy if it has clear majority support but I'm concerned that there's been absolutely no discussion or mention of the likely challenges from the Yes side. It's all 'it'll be alright on the night' stuff.

We don't think that, we just don't think it will be worse than it is now. Our interest payment to the debt is over £100b now and we still have close to £200b share of the debt. Wm spends around £10b on stuff that we don't benefit for but are charged for. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can I ask about federalism. Will there be a president and a monarch. 

[Space Mackerel]

28 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Leonard just said he'd oppose a second referendum even if the SNP wins a majority. But he'd back euref2 of the Labour Party vote it democratically. Hypocrite. 

 

Hes a bigger ballon than all the last Labour leaders in Scotland. It’s astonishing how dim he is. 

[Space Mackerel]

Here is where “class warrior” Dick Leonard was educated. I would be asking for a refund!

 

http://www.pocklingtonschool.com/Fees

[Ulysses]

3 hours ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

Ireland is fine now, but 10 years ago they got a huge bank bailout to keep them afloat, much of it from Britain.

 

 

Ireland was bailed out because of the stupid policies of its governments in the preceding few years, particularly from 2002 onwards.  The fault lay not with the euro, nor with the fact that Ireland was free to pursue its own policies, but with the political daftness of two successive goverments.

 

Also, the UK gave Ireland a bilateral loan of €3.8 billion.  The EU/IMF lent Ireland €67.5 billion, so I'd question your use of the phrase "much of it from Britain".

[SwindonJambo]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Ireland was bailed out because of the stupid policies of its governments in the preceding few years, particularly from 2002 onwards.  The fault lay not with the euro, nor with the fact that Ireland was free to pursue its own policies, but with the political daftness of two successive goverments.

 

Also, the UK gave Ireland a bilateral loan of €3.8 billion.  The EU/IMF lent Ireland €67.5 billion, so I'd question your use of the phrase "much of it from Britain".

 

Didn’t know the exact figures, thanks for informing. The U.K. pays into the  EU and IMF so would have been involved indirectly in the latter figure. It’s made an excellent recovery since then. It took the tough, painful action needed at an early stage and it seems to have worked. Ireland is widely admired in the financial World for the brave steps it took. A newly independent Scotland would have to take tough and very unpopular steps in its early years before, hopefully prospering later as Ireland has.

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

Didn’t know the exact figures, thanks for informing. The U.K. pays into the  EU and IMF so would have been involved indirectly in the latter figure. It’s made an excellent recovery since then. It took the tough, painful action needed at an early stage and it seems to have worked. Ireland is widely admired in the financial World for the brave steps it took. A newly independent Scotland would have to take tough and very unpopular steps in its early years before, hopefully prospering later as Ireland has.

 

There's no doubt that an independent Scotland would do fine for itself.  Whether or not it would perform better economically outside the UK than in it is a matter of conjecture.  But one way or the other Scottish governments would have to significantly cut spending or increase taxes in the first several years after independence.  Since either course of action would be deeply unpopular you'd have to be concerned about the capacity of the political system to persist in implementing the policies that would be necessary.

[Cruyff Turn]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Leonard just said he'd oppose a second referendum even if the SNP wins a majority. But he'd back euref2 of the Labour Party vote it democratically. Hypocrite. 

Disgraceful comments from SLab. They’ve gone against everything they stood for. Claim of Rights in 1989, Home rule, against UN and International Laws and norms. 

 

This man will be spinning in his grave.

 

[JamboX2]

7 hours ago, ri Alban said:

No they don’t. If was concluded that a split was inevitable, so they split. The Czechs outnumbered the Slovaks 2 to 1 and they're economy was put ahead of slovak interests. The Slovaks overtook the Czechs with a centralise agenda through EU membership and heavy investment coming from adaption of the euro. The Czechs struggled because of there socialist ideology. 

No one wants to reunite, but of course there'll be some good memories. 

 

That italicised is dubious. Vaclav Havel the a-political president (anti-communist artist and political campaigner) of Czechoslovakia always said that it was not inevitable and that the political class failed to come to a deal which was ready to be reached. 

 

Split happened but arguable not inevitable. Polling from then showed it to be unpopular and it did initially work out badly for Slovakia who's heavy industry faltered without the full subsidy of the Czechoslovak state. 

 

The Slovak economy infact bombed in the 1990s. Resulted in Thatcherite policies to try and reignite the country and EU membership in the noughties provided structural funding - as it did the Czechs.

 

So is my understanding from reading interviews with Slovak leaders by Neal Ascherson in the New Statesman. 

 

7 hours ago, ri Alban said:

 

Incidentally, Scotland has a bigger GDP per capita than both. But I'd say we'd be bigger than Ireland (Pretty impressive) if we had the actual numbers and compare assets. 

 

That doesn't mean much should independence happen the economy continues as is. After all the fact is the economy in Scotland being overly state heavy is offset by the wider lack of that in the UK. There'd be economic shocks if we went it alone. Of that I've no doubt.

[JamboX2]

53 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Disgraceful comments from SLab. They’ve gone against everything they stood for. Claim of Rights in 1989, Home rule, against UN and International Laws and norms. 

 

This man will be spinning in his grave.

 

 

Not really. Home Rule is devolution. Not independence.

 

But I agree his policy line tonight is utterly hypocritical and nonsense.

[Cruyff Turn]

36 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Not really. Home Rule is devolution. Not independence.

 

But I agree his policy line tonight is utterly hypocritical and nonsense.

I know Home Rule isn’t Independence but it is certainly a lot more than Devolution, possibly less than Federalism. A half way house. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29443603

 

In Keir Hardies day he wanted a Scottish Parliament but he would have wanted powers over Employment and Welfare, or some kind of Welfare before it was invented.  Still haven’t got those powers to this day, 100 odd years later.

 

Richard Leonard has lost the plot if they go through with this. Whoever is advising him on these matters clearly has little understanding of the Political Landscape. 

He’s clearly trying to jump on Ruth Davidson’s bandwagon and steal Unionist votes lost to the Tory  by outlining Scottish Labours position as being against the Sovereignty of the Scottish people. Or maybe he’s just one of Tam Dayells old mates. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Cruyff Turn

[SwindonJambo]

2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

There's no doubt that an independent Scotland would do fine for itself.  Whether or not it would perform better economically outside the UK than in it is a matter of conjecture.  But one way or the other Scottish governments would have to significantly cut spending or increase taxes in the first several years after independence.  Since either course of action would be deeply unpopular you'd have to be concerned about the capacity of the political system to persist in implementing the policies that would be necessary.

 

You’ve said it better than me. As the required tough action isn’t a vote winner, it never gets discussed or even acknowledged. Scotland would have the added challenge of being a new state with no credit history so would not be able to borrow at a decent interest rate until it has a few years of good fiscal management behind it and could prove that it can live within its means. So it would be walking a tightrope for the 1st few years for sure, even though longer term, I think it would fine its feet.

 

I’ve said I’m a No but if the balance of public opinion is in favour over an extended period, it has to be allowed to happen despite all likely challenges. A snatched 51-49 win when the wind’s blowing the right way would create bitter division and ill feeling.

 

[Jambos_1874]

7 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

You’ve said it better than me. As the required tough action isn’t a vote winner, it never gets discussed or even acknowledged. Scotland would have the added challenge of being a new state with no credit history so would not be able to borrow at a decent interest rate until it has a few years of good fiscal management behind it and could prove that it can live within its means. So it would be walking a tightrope for the 1st few years for sure, even though longer term, I think it would fine its feet.

 

I’ve said I’m a No but if the balance of public opinion is in favour over an extended period, it has to be allowed to happen despite all likely challenges. A snatched 51-49 win when the wind’s blowing the right way would create bitter division and ill feeling.

 

 

Deciding something as absolutely monumental as becoming independent should never be decided by a simple majority. As you say, a tight vote would result in bitter division and indeed we have already seen that with Brexit. If it were to happen I think it should be a clear majority i.e. 60:40 or something like that. If that majority does not occur then we would at least continue with the safest bet, which is the status quo.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Jambos_1874

[JamboX2]

31 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

I know Home Rule isn’t Independence but it is certainly a lot more than Devolution, possibly less than Federalism. A half way house. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29443603

 

In Keir Hardies day he wanted a Scottish Parliament but he would have wanted powers over Employment and Welfare, or some kind of Welfare before it was invented.  Still haven’t got those powers to this day, 100 odd years later.

 

Difference is then these things were not in existence. Now we do have a fully integrated and huge welfare system and employment system. Personally I do still think there's an argument for pooling resource in welfare. But accept there's limitations. That's not to limit or stop Holyrood creating new benefits - a power they now have.

 

31 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

 

Richard Leonard has lost the plot if they go through with this. Whoever is advising him on these matters clearly has little understanding of the Political Landscape. 

He’s clearly trying to jump on Ruth Davidson’s bandwagon and steal Unionist votes lost to the Tory  by outlining Scottish Labours position as being against the Sovereignty of the Scottish people. Or maybe he’s just one of Tam Dayells old mates. 

 

He panicked over a reasonable thing JC said. They shouldn't try to out-nat the SNP nor out-nat the Tories. I'd have used this as a chance - as a new leader - to put my own agenda forward to sell the type of Scotland you want and how that fits in the UK. 

 

This is a needless punch in the face which I don't understand. 

[Cruyff Turn]

53 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Difference is then these things were not in existence. Now we do have a fully integrated and huge welfare system and employment system. Personally I do still think there's an argument for pooling resource in welfare. But accept there's limitations. That's not to limit or stop Holyrood creating new benefits - a power they now have.

 

 

He panicked over a reasonable thing JC said. They shouldn't try to out-nat the SNP nor out-nat the Tories. I'd have used this as a chance - as a new leader - to put my own agenda forward to sell the type of Scotland you want and how that fits in the UK. 

 

This is a needless punch in the face which I don't understand. 

Holyrood are using them. Supplementing the Bedroom Tax and Carers Allowances. 

Still, it doesn’t go far enough. Don’t get me wrong, the Scottish Parliament is powerful but there are a lot of powers which are still being reserved which could make a difference in our society, on the control of Drugs for example. 

 

I totally agree he needs to set out his own agenda but I think he’s playing a game here. He’s going to come out for Federalism, which is one of the only two solutions to Brexit in Scotland & stop the SNP calling a Referendum which I think would they will win this time. By saying what he’s said today about stopping a Referendum  he’s trying to kill two birds with one stone. 

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, JamboX2 said:

 

That italicised is dubious. Vaclav Havel the a-political president (anti-communist artist and political campaigner) of Czechoslovakia always said that it was not inevitable and that the political class failed to come to a deal which was ready to be reached. 

 

Split happened but arguable not inevitable. Polling from then showed it to be unpopular and it did initially work out badly for Slovakia who's heavy industry faltered without the full subsidy of the Czechoslovak state. 

 

The Slovak economy infact bombed in the 1990s. Resulted in Thatcherite policies to try and reignite the country and EU membership in the noughties provided structural funding - as it did the Czechs.

 

So is my understanding from reading interviews with Slovak leaders by Neal Ascherson in the New Statesman. 

 

 

That doesn't mean much should independence happen the economy continues as is. After all the fact is the economy in Scotland being overly state heavy is offset by the wider lack of that in the UK. There'd be economic shocks if we went it alone. Of that I've no doubt.

Seperate currency did indeed hinder Slovakia(Czech Koruna started to smoother the slovak Koruna) after initial parity and they moved to the centre, where the started to out perform the Czechs. Whether it was Thatcherism is debatable, but they certainly did not abolish right wing ideology the way the Czechs did. 

Edited September 24, 2018 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

20 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Seperate currency did indeed hinder Slovakia(Czech Koruna started to smoother the slovak Koruna) after initial parity and they moved to the centre, where the started to out perform the Czechs. Whether it was Thatcherism is debatable, but they certainly did not abolish right wing reforms the way the Czechs did. 

 

[Brighton Jambo]

On 21/09/2018 at 15:16, Pans Jambo said:

Believe it or not Glasgow IS in Scotland whereas Hemel Hempstead is not.

 

Heard your pishy argument many times before. Usually its "lets make the Orkney Islands Independent" etc.

 

Scotland mate, Scotland!

 

You are saying that England voted Tory but because Scotland voted Labour, a Labour government was returned at Westminster. OK, when? 

It was Scotland voting Tory that returned a conservative government to Westminster.  Without the Scottish conservative seats Teresa May could never have cobbled together a majority.  

[Pans Jambo]

4 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

It was Scotland voting Tory that returned a conservative government to Westminster.  Without the Scottish conservative seats Teresa May could never have cobbled together a majority.  

Nope. As posted above it was the DUP & May’s dodgy £Billion pound deal she gave them. 

In any case, Scotland didnt vote tory unyet thats what we got. 

Edited September 24, 2018 by Pans Jambo

[Brighton Jambo]

On 22/09/2018 at 08:12, Boris said:

 

All parties support capitalism, the Tories don't have dibs on it.

 

If anything, your graph above shows how the capitalist nations got rich on the exploitation of China, India and Africa. Yay capitalism!

Sorry but the current Labour government categorically do not support Capitalism.  Corbyn when recently repeatedly asked, by Andrew Marr I think, to say one positive think about capitalism refused to do so.  That right there is why he can never be a credible leader for the UK.  

[Brighton Jambo]

6 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Nope. As posted above it was the DUP & May’s dodgy £Billion pound deal she gave them. 

In any case, Scotland didnt vote tory unyet thats what we got. 

Wrong.  Scotland voted SNP and they can’t form a UK government.  Second largest party in Scotland was conservative and that’s the current government.  Without those seats Teresa May couldn’t have formed a majority even with the DUP.  It’s mathematical fact.  

[JamboX2]

14 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Nope. As posted above it was the DUP & May’s dodgy £Billion pound deal she gave them. 

In any case, Scotland didnt vote tory unyet thats what we got. 

 

...But without those 13 Scottish seats she wouldn't have had enough seats for a deal with the DUP to have given a majority.

[ri Alban]

18 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

...But without those 13 Scottish seats she wouldn't have had enough seats for a deal with the DUP to have given a majority.

Libdems would have sucked boaby. 

[Pans Jambo]

46 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Wrong.  Scotland voted SNP and they can’t form a UK government.  Second largest party in Scotland was conservative and that’s the current government.  Without those seats Teresa May couldn’t have formed a majority even with the DUP.  It’s mathematical fact.  

Its a mathematical fact that Scotland has a tory government that it did not vote for but thanks for agreeing with me that theres a democratic deficit in our country. 

[Pans Jambo]

41 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

...But without those 13 Scottish seats she wouldn't have had enough seats for a deal with the DUP to have given a majority.

But without the Dodgy DUP deal she would not have had a majority. 

[Brighton Jambo]

26 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Its a mathematical fact that Scotland has a tory government that it did not vote for but thanks for agreeing with me that theres a democratic deficit in our country. 

What government did it vote for then?  It was a general election, there can’t be a SNP UK government.  Are you saying part of the reason you want independence is so that we can be fully ruled by an SNP government?  

[Boris]

2 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Sorry but the current Labour government categorically do not support Capitalism.  Corbyn when recently repeatedly asked, by Andrew Marr I think, to say one positive think about capitalism refused to do so.  That right there is why he can never be a credible leader for the UK.  

 

Despite what Corbyn may (not) say, they do.

 

All Labour want to do is make it fairer for the many.  A Corbyn government wouldn't suddenly incorporate a fully planned economy and boiler suits all round!

[Space Mackerel]

Terrible news this morning, more shite and worthless gas  ?

 

https://stv.tv/news/north/1431223-energy-giant-makes-major-gas-discovery-off-shetland/

[jack D and coke]

6 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

Terrible news this morning, more shite and worthless gas  ?

 

https://stv.tv/news/north/1431223-energy-giant-makes-major-gas-discovery-off-shetland/

Sad times?

[Space Mackerel]

3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Sad times?

 

If only another country could take it off our hands for us ?

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

What government did it vote for then?  It was a general election, there can’t be a SNP UK government.  Are you saying part of the reason you want independence is so that we can be fully ruled by an SNP government?  

No, why not a Scottish Labour Government?

 

Scotland gets what England wants. Only 1 way to change that.

[jack D and coke]

45 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

If only another country could take it off our hands for us ?

It makes you glad we don’t have control to squander any of that, phew?

I think that’s 3 enormous fields in the last 3 years, 1 trillion cubic metres or something of complete and utter burden. 

[Space Mackerel]

18 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

It makes you glad we don’t have control to squander any of that, phew?

I think that’s 3 enormous fields in the last 3 years, 1 trillion cubic metres or something of complete and utter burden. 

 

You know what pal, I’m starting to get an inclination that that Sir Ian Wood chap was lying out his big fat arsehole in 2014 for some reason. ?

[Brighton Jambo]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

No, why not a Scottish Labour Government?

 

Scotland gets what England wants. Only 1 way to change that.

If Scotland had wanted a labour government it could have had one. If those Tory seats had gone to labour in the general election and/or say half the SNP seats had been labour there would now be a labour prime minister.  Scotland clearly doesn’t want a labour government 

[Pans Jambo]

19 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

If Scotland had wanted a labour government it could have had one. If those Tory seats had gone to labour in the general election and/or say half the SNP seats had been labour there would now be a labour prime minister.  Scotland clearly doesn’t want a labour government 

Well nobody does currently. Its a shambles of a party. English Labour leader says one thing and the the Scottish one contradicts him.

 

Time to get out.

[Thunderstruck]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

No, why not a Scottish Labour Government?

 

Scotland gets what England wants. Only 1 way to change that.

 

Any independent Scotland gets what Greater Glasgow wants. How is that good or even better for the Lothians, Fife, the North East, The Highlands, the Islands or the Borders. 

[hmfc_liam06]

Voted no.

Would vote yes.

[Space Mackerel]

27 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

Any independent Scotland gets what Greater Glasgow wants. How is that good or even better for the Lothians, Fife, the North East, The Highlands, the Islands or the Borders. 

 

We don’t have FPTP in Scottish elections for Holyrood. 

[ri Alban]

4 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

What government did it vote for then?  It was a general election, there can’t be a SNP UK government.  Are you saying part of the reason you want independence is so that we can be fully ruled by an SNP government?  

No, just who we decide to govern. Not 9% of eligible voters. 

[ri Alban]

39 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

Any independent Scotland gets what Greater Glasgow wants. How is that good or even better for the Lothians, Fife, the North East, The Highlands, the Islands or the Borders. 

That's just nonsense, otherwise the capital would be Glasgow and the Parliament would be in it. 

[Boris]

40 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

Any independent Scotland gets what Greater Glasgow wants. How is that good or even better for the Lothians, Fife, the North East, The Highlands, the Islands or the Borders. 

 

So based on the last Holyrood elections...

 

 

Scotland kind of gets what it votes for...

[ri Alban]

9 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

So based on the last Holyrood elections...

 

 

Scotland kind of gets what it votes for...

Is that not the one before.