Ministry MK2 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I do like Milinkovic and would be happy enough to see him here next season, but would be madness to break the bank for him. Same goes for Naismith tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodanny Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, sadj said: Smartass ?? likewise with Naismith however , if as we’d like we have Mitchell and Naismith back next season Id imagine they would be on high wages for our structure and I don’t think Milinkovic is at their level yet to deserve equivalent placement in our wage structure. Yeah, you're right. I don't think Mitchell is quite "top" level yet but pretty sure he will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, whodanny said: Yeah, you're right. I don't think Mitchell is quite "top" level yet but pretty sure he will be. No argument here , but common sense says he’ll be on a good whack at United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Still no news then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumjambo Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 21:08, sadj said: If he doesn’t come he doesn’t come , no point abusing him for it. He has a family and a duty to look after them. If i was offered a massive payrise id do the same. Its a short career. As you saidnwe have a structure and if he doesnt fit it fair enough we move on Spot on !! but how it should go if he had any sense! 1. sign for Hearts - at your age you need to be playing every week 2. have a storming season scoring 12 and setting up another 10 3. Next year 18 months Go down to the road and get yer 50 grand a week.............doddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Drumjambo said: Spot on !! but how it should go if he had any sense! 1. sign for Hearts - at your age you need to be playing every week 2. have a storming season scoring 12 and setting up another 10 3. Next year 18 months Go down to the road and get yer 50 grand a week.............doddle Yeah thats how I think these players should view us , Im disappointed if his heads turned by money as id of hoped he’d stuck around on a 2 year deal smash this season earn a bigger better move for his career. But money omis money when its phreeeee even better..... Edited June 21, 2018 by sadj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Spellczech said: I will do - liking the less grumpy version of Mitch. Is it just for the summer or here for good? Grumpy isn't me. I say it how it is good or bad. It sometimes feel when i come out with what Levein or Ann has done wrong i'm the enemy. And when i praise them i'm asked "is this really Mitch talking". I have no power over what happens at Hearts so like the vast majority of us JKB'ers i express honest views on what i witness on the pitch and what is reported about Hearts. I don't hate Craig Levein or anybody at Hearts but you have to be honest with what you feel good or bad about everthing that goes on at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Normthebarman said: We definitely need another wide player. Even if Amankwaa comes good and Mulraney tears it up, we need competition. Hopefully Levein can pull a rabbit out the hat. I disagree. We don’t play with wide players, more often than not we use wing backs. I’d be reluctant for us to have 3/4 players in a position our formation doesn’t cater for. Amankwaa and Milinkovic spent more time in the middle of the pitch last season, struggling to think of either of them bombing to the byeline to get a cross in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: I disagree. We don’t play with wide players, more often than not we use wing backs. I’d be reluctant for us to have 3/4 players in a position our formation doesn’t cater for. Amankwaa and Milinkovic spent more time in the middle of the pitch last season, struggling to think of either of them bombing to the byeline to get a cross in. Last season we didn't have options though , I'm sure this season you'll see more of wide player further up park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Last season we didn't have options though , I'm sure this season you'll see more of wide player further up park Hope so. It’s been a cornerstone of most of our successful sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Hope so. It’s been a cornerstone of most of our successful sides. Agree football much better to watch with winger taking players on and getting to the bye line etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscjambo Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Agree football much better to watch with winger taking players on and getting to the bye line etc I agree but just even watching the world cup how many genuine wingers actually play in modern day football. I love wingers, hate it when they check inside play a square ball, nothing like a wee dribbler beating a man getting to the byline get a cross in. I think Milinkovic offers genuine pace and a threat in behind. He makes defenders drop off a yard, gets you on the front foot. In saying that if he wants ridiculous money out with our wage structure I think you need to move on. As good as he was last season he was the best of a bad bunch at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Reddington Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 What about Greg Stewart as an alternative to DM? Still contracted to Birmingham however was on loan at Aberdeen so cant see him being wanted at his parent club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambmoz Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Raymond Reddington said: What about Greg Stewart as an alternative to DM? Still contracted to Birmingham however was on loan at Aberdeen so cant see him being wanted at his parent club. Done very little at Aberdeen by all accounts. Milinkovic won’t be easy to replace like for like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, jambmoz said: Done very little at Aberdeen by all accounts. Milinkovic will be all but impossible to replace like for like. Ftfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diez Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) Would love to hear more on the 65/35 chance from daza. Where he’s got that from I don’t know ? Edited June 22, 2018 by El Diez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_the_legend Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Morgan said: Ftfy. I like DM but he’s hardly ronaldo. There will be other players out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said: I like DM but he’s hardly ronaldo. There will be other players out there. My answer was in response to the ‘like for like’ narrative. In context with your post however, I totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, El Diez said: Would love to hear more on the 65/35 chance from daza. Where he’s got that from I don’t know ? Me too. I'm still holding out some hope that having baulked at his initial wage demands, he might be prepared to drop his expectations to something that we can realistically match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, El Diez said: Would love to hear more on the 65/35 chance from daza. Where he’s got that from I don’t know ? A 65/35 isn't a certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 53 minutes ago, El Diez said: Would love to hear more on the 65/35 chance from daza. Where he’s got that from I don’t know ? Did you ever get round to telling us what YOU heard ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 46 minutes ago, RobNox said: Me too. I'm still holding out some hope that having baulked at his initial wage demands, he might be prepared to drop his expectations to something that we can realistically match. I hear that his agent was I talks with the club yesterday., it's us that he wants to come to but there are other more lucrative alternative on the table. Hard ball time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 42 minutes ago, Deevers said: I hear that his agent was I talks with the club yesterday., it's us that he wants to come to but there are other more lucrative alternative on the table. Hard ball time! Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, Deevers said: I hear that his agent was I talks with the club yesterday., it's us that he wants to come to but there are other more lucrative alternative on the table. Hard ball time! I doubt if this is going to happen. Last season Genoa were presumably paying part of his wages whereas if we sign him permanently we'd pay the lot. The gap between what we can afford and what he is currently on may just be too wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, JamboAl said: I doubt if this is going to happen. Last season Genoa were presumably paying part of his wages whereas if we sign him permanently we'd pay the lot. The gap between what we can afford and what he is currently on may just be too wide What he is currently on doesnt really come into it. What other clubs are willing to pay him is. We and I'd suggest, he, knew what we could offer. could still get done if the other offers dont turn out to be as lucrative as 1st thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, JamboAl said: I doubt if this is going to happen. Last season Genoa were presumably paying part of his wages whereas if we sign him permanently we'd pay the lot. The gap between what we can afford and what he is currently on may just be too wide I'd imagine our top wage would be a first team fringe player wage to Genoa. Say he'd be on between 3,000-5,000 euros anyway at Genoa. Our top wage, for the likes of Lafferty and Berra will probably be in that region, but Hearts probably don't believe he's worth that as a basic wage, which for us would be a massive risk of we're shelling out 200-300k euros to buy him in the first place. Might not be value for money. CL is doing the right thing though, great if we get him but not worth pushing the boat out for because come 30th of June there will be shitloads of players on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky jamboa Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I reckon he is keen to stick with us and likely been offered a decent wage but then Ipswich and whoever else is interested has came in with £8-9k per week, maybe more, and he's rightly had his head turned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: What he is currently on doesnt really come into it. What other clubs are willing to pay him is. We and I'd suggest, he, knew what we could offer. could still get done if the other offers dont turn out to be as lucrative as 1st thought. 3 He is contracted to Genoa until 2019 so I'm not sure why you think his current wage doesn't come into it. If all else fails he could sit on his rear end on Genoa's bench and (probably) get a better wage than we choose to afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Deevers said: I hear that his agent was I talks with the club yesterday., it's us that he wants to come to but there are other more lucrative alternative on the table. Hard ball time! 2 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said: Correct. Guess that would suggest it is about 65/35 in out favour then , club wants it , he wants it , working on it but far from certain and Deevers your always there or there abouts wi info imo so thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Wee Davie, skinny milinki, insta milinka, the hibbie hater, will, I repeat, will, be a Hearts player this coming season ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageThief Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 4 hours ago, JamboAl said: He is contracted to Genoa until 2019 so I'm not sure why you think his current wage doesn't come into it. If all else fails he could sit on his rear end on Genoa's bench and (probably) get a better wage than we choose to afford. His current wage doesn't come into it because he is leaving Genoa. If he chooses to stay at Genoa and fight for a place on the bench then it will come into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 4 hours ago, JamboAl said: He is contracted to Genoa until 2019 so I'm not sure why you think his current wage doesn't come into it. If all else fails he could sit on his rear end on Genoa's bench and (probably) get a better wage than we choose to afford. Choose to afford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, jamtartan74 said: Wee Davie, skinny milinki, insta milinka, the hibbie hater, will, I repeat, will, be a Hearts player this coming season ?? Good news, hope you're right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamdunc Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, jamtartan74 said: Wee Davie, skinny milinki, insta milinka, the hibbie hater, will, I repeat, will, be a Hearts player this coming season ?? Great News.................... If It's True, That is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 If he was offered £5k a week down south even that amount is significantly more than we will be offering Also we are paying a transfer fee which will restrict any wages , I wonder what the fee is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 50 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: Good news, hope you're right Ok well here goes, I have maybe jumped the gun in more hope than expectation, was told last night that he really wants to come back and both him and the club are trying to meet in the middle, he knows our wage bracket but does have other offers, France and England being the main ones should he not sign on with us. He’s not trying to hold us to ransom, he’s got other offers so quite rightly so thinking over all options, (he owes us nothing), he would love to stay here but money talks at the end of the day. He wants to stay with us though so that’s not in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, jamtartan74 said: Ok well here goes, I have maybe jumped the gun in more hope than expectation, was told last night that he really wants to come back and both him and the club are trying to meet in the middle, he knows our wage bracket but does have other offers, France and England being the main ones should he not sign on with us. He’s not trying to hold us to ransom, he’s got other offers so quite rightly so thinking over all options, (he owes us nothing), he would love to stay here but money talks at the end of the day. He wants to stay with us though so that’s not in question. That being case he's playing dangerous game because levein won't play silly games ! Irons already in other fires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: That being case he's playing dangerous game because levein won't play silly games ! Irons already in other fires Well u may call it dangerous, he may call it seeing what’s best for him? He owes us nothing to be fair let’s be honest. For talking sakes, if we offer 3k a week and a French or English club offer him even 5k then why shouldn’t he take it? Let’s just hope that something can be sorted out as he defo wants to stay here, he loves it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, jamtartan74 said: Well u may call it dangerous, he may call it seeing what’s best for him? He owes us nothing to be fair let’s be honest. For talking sakes, if we offer 3k a week and a French or English club offer him even 5k then why shouldn’t he take it? Let’s just hope that something can be sorted out as he defo wants to stay here, he loves it here. Yeah you right he gotta do what's best for him but if he desperate to be here he'll need to get move on because levein got other irons in fire and if he signs someone his chance be gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, jamtartan74 said: Well u may call it dangerous, he may call it seeing what’s best for him? He owes us nothing to be fair let’s be honest. For talking sakes, if we offer 3k a week and a French or English club offer him even 5k then why shouldn’t he take it? Let’s just hope that something can be sorted out as he defo wants to stay here, he loves it here. Depends what we mean by 'best'. Financially he'll be better off with whatever other offers he has. But if he really loves it here, wants to come, and will get paid for being here, then he needs to take the emotional/wellbeing stuff into account. I'd love him to sign but we should not even be thinking about tearing up our wage structure to get him. He is not that player, yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Yeah you right he gotta do what's best for him but if he desperate to be here he'll need to get move on because levein got other irons in fire and if he signs someone his chance be gone Nobody has said he’s desperate to be here though, he’s not a Gorgie lad or even Edinburgh remember, he’s a foreign lad who has taken to our club, like several before him, he wants to be here next season but if a better offer comes his way then no doubt he would consider it. I shouldn’t have said that he ‘will’ be a Hearts player next season but from what I have been told then it will take a much better offer for him not to be, there are better placed people on this board than me to tell u more accurate info, juat passing on what I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Haken said: Depends what we mean by 'best'. Financially he'll be better off with whatever other offers he has. But if he really loves it here, wants to come, and will get paid for being here, then he needs to take the emotional/wellbeing stuff into account. I'd love him to sign but we should not even be thinking about tearing up our wage structure to get him. He is not that player, yet. He’s a young guy playing football in foreign lands, what’s best for him is earning as much cash as possible. We won’t break any wage structure to sign him, he knows what’s on offer, he’s being offered more elsewhere so is weighing up options, nothing is finalised, he would happily stay here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, jamtartan74 said: Nobody has said he’s desperate to be here though, he’s not a Gorgie lad or even Edinburgh remember, he’s a foreign lad who has taken to our club, like several before him, he wants to be here next season but if a better offer comes his way then no doubt he would consider it. I shouldn’t have said that he ‘will’ be a Hearts player next season but from what I have been told then it will take a much better offer for him not to be, there are better placed people on this board than me to tell u more accurate info, juat passing on what I know. As far as I was told the deal was dead as far as hearts were concerned so even if he did come back and say he wants to sign he might find levein saying thanks but no thanks you had your chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: As far as I was told the deal was dead as far as hearts were concerned so even if he did come back and say he wants to sign he might find levein saying thanks but no thanks you had your chance Not what I have been told, offers still there, but we may decide to move on with other targets if it’s not sorted pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Btw, i am in no way itk when it comes to our transfers, this is coming from a trusted friend who is a relative of someone who is a coach with us, I probably should have kept my mouth shut but after a couple of drinks too many I thought it’d be a good idea to post on here ??♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, jamtartan74 said: Btw, i am in no way itk when it comes to our transfers, this is coming from a trusted friend who is a relative of someone who is a coach with us, I probably should have kept my mouth shut but after a couple of drinks too many I thought it’d be a good idea to post on here ??♂️ Good of you too share your info mate , we obviously been told different stories so only time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamtartan74 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: Good of you too share your info mate , we obviously been told different stories so only time will tell No worries bud, we will indeed see how things pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 hours ago, WageThief said: His current wage doesn't come into it because he is leaving Genoa. If he chooses to stay at Genoa and fight for a place on the bench then it will come into it. Or if Genoa change their minds and say offers received are unsuitable - in which case he won't be leaving. It may not be his choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 hours ago, TheBigO said: Choose to afford? Yes, choose to afford. We may have enough money to get him but choose not to put all our eggs in the one basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazajmbo Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Deal is still not dead. Just to clear that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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