SpruceBringsteen Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: You know very well that there has always been a connection between certain clubs in Scotland, and religious affiliations. Correct 2 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: including Hearts Incorrect And btw, even if there was - it's 2000 and ****ing 18. The human race has landed on Mars and photographed Jupiter from orbit. Brain donors still singing about times when the world was in black and white monochrome because "it's always been" are utterly tragic throwbacks who somehow are actually even less relevant to today's world than the ancient terrorists they sing about. You may not like it but it's true. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, bringbakterracing said: So im a banger. Fair enough, im sure your not 5 and realised i was generalising and meant enjoy the game before during and after. But hey, as ive done before, and the keyboard coward never turned up, ill happily offer to meet you and your chums on here for a hearty debate so we can all put our points across face to face. Just ... Is it the thought of a bear in a kilt thats got you hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, bringbakterracing said: So im a banger. Fair enough, im sure your not 5 and realised i was generalising and meant enjoy the game before during and after. But hey, as ive done before, and the keyboard coward never turned up, ill happily offer to meet you and your chums on here for a hearty debate so we can all put our points across face to face. Offers to ''meet folk to discuss''. Calls others ''keyboard cowards'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, SpruceBringsteen said: Correct Incorrect And btw, even if there was - it's 2000 and ****ing 18. The human race has landed on Mars and photographed Jupiter from orbit. Brain donors still singing about times when the world was in black and white monochrome because "it's always been" are utterly tragic throwbacks who somehow are actually even less relevant to today's world than the ancient terrorists they sing about. You may not like it but it's true. ? Are you seriously suggesting Hearts were not historically regarded as the Edinburgh Protestant team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Are you seriously suggesting Hearts were not historically regarded as the Edinburgh Protestant team? By whom? Was this an official affiliation? Edited August 19, 2018 by New York Fleapit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartofHartley Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Why sing about the IRA though? It’s bizarre. Obviously to wind up Celtic fans who equally hate Lafferty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Hello yourself. People don't normally sing songs as they go about everyday life. You know very well that there has always been a connection between certain clubs in Scotland, including Hearts, and religious affiliations. You may not like it but it's there. I'll await your reply explaining how you/ your pal/ some random guy you met in the pub is a Catholic and lifelong Hearts supporter. Absolute horseshit. Only in the minds of a few raging simpletons. Hearts as a football have never endorsed a religion. I'd wager most of the folk that sing these songs aren't even religious, probably think they are protestants because they aren't Catholics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, HeartofHartley said: Obviously to wind up Celtic fans who equally hate Lafferty. So will we bring Irish tricolours and sing **** the Queen and the UDA when we play Rangers then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: So will we bring Irish tricolours and sing **** the Queen and the UDA when we play Rangers then? Next time we play Arbroath I'll be singing derogatory songs about smokies and fisherman. Obviously I won't be at the game. I'll be singing it in the faces of a bunch of Hasidic Jews on the Subway. Edited August 19, 2018 by New York Fleapit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Are you seriously suggesting Hearts were not historically regarded as the Edinburgh Protestant team? Which religious affiliations do we have? Will you answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, HeartofHartley said: Obviously to wind up Celtic fans who equally hate Lafferty. And why do they hate him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I was surprised at how few of them there are. You'd be lucky if there was 15 of them on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: So will we bring Irish tricolours and sing **** the Queen and the UDA when we play Rangers then? Used to do similar. When Celtic came we would sing hullo hullo when Rangers came we would sing hail hail. When BBC came we would sing Arthur Monford When stv came wed sing Archie Macpherson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Are you seriously suggesting Hearts were not historically regarded as the Edinburgh Protestant team? I'm absolutely sure they were by ****wits and bigots, but no - not by anyone with more than 4 braincells. For the avoidance of doubt, at no point in it's entire history has Heart of Midlothian Football Club had any kind of religious or sectarian policy or viewpoint, despite the wishes of any knuckledragging cro-magnon saying otherwise. Hope this helps, m8! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, bringbakterracing said: So im a banger. Fair enough, im sure your not 5 and realised i was generalising and meant enjoy the game before during and after. But hey, as ive done before, and the keyboard coward never turned up, ill happily offer to meet you and your chums on here for a hearty debate so we can all put our points across face to face. Wow... How old are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, jake said: Used to do similar. When Celtic came we would sing hullo hullo when Rangers came we would sing hail hail. When BBC came we would sing Arthur Monford When stv came wed sing Archie Macpherson. There will be heads exploding reading that Jake! Don't mention singing YNWA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, XB52 said: Despite you coming across as a supporter of sectarianism you actually make a good, imo the most important point, albeit unwittingly. A large part of the support will not sing sectarian rubbish and so the atmosphere suffers. Why can't our loyalist supporters on here get that?? Probably because they are thick as pig shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, New York Fleapit said: By whom? Was this an official affiliation? No, in the sense we had no player bar but Hibs were known as the Catholic team and Hearts the Protestant. It weakens your argument if you simply deny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SpruceBringsteen said: I'm absolutely sure they were by ****wits and bigots, but no - not by anyone with more than 4 braincells. For the avoidance of doubt, at no point in it's entire history has Heart of Midlothian Football Club had any kind of religious or sectarian policy or viewpoint, despite the wishes of any knuckledragging cro-magnon saying otherwise. Hope this helps, m8! ? I blame Roddy 'the Proddy' MacDonald. Edited August 19, 2018 by been here before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, New York Fleapit said: By whom? Was this an official affiliation? I'm guessing MJ is going back to the days of the formation of Hibernians Football Club, the original religious bigots in Scottish football. A club which was formed around those living most prominently in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh at that time, Irish Roman Catholics and a club who would only employ those of a Roman Catholic upbringing. The whole club was created by and designed for mainly Irish Roman Catholics but Roman Catholics in general. I think the sort of feeling has always been that if such a club was created for that limited selection of the community then the other club, that being HMFC, must surely have been created for the predominantly Protestant community in Edinburgh. Think truth is that no matter how deeply you look into the history of The Heart of Midlothian Football Club you will never find anything which suggests that the club was either set up by or for only one specific religious group. Is it reasonable to assume that back in those days, I'm guessing none of us are old enough to confirm this factually, that it probably was the case that in Edinburgh most people living in Edinburgh at the time who were of a Protestant background and enjoyed football would go watch HMFC and vice versa if you happened to be from a Roman Catholic background, whether Irish or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, been here before said: I blame Roddy 'the Proddy' McDonald. This guy didn't help really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbakterracing Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Your all very quick to have a pop here, someone please tell me what is wrong with mature adults meeting for a pint to discuss a differing opinion. As all that happens here is we go round in circles. As for asking how old i am, i seem to be the butt of some pretty childish jibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, portobellojambo1 said: I'm guessing MJ is going back to the days of the formation of Hibernians Football Club, the original religious bigots in Scottish football. A club which was formed around those living most prominently in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh at that time, Irish Roman Catholics and a club who would only employ those of a Roman Catholic upbringing. The whole club was created by and designed for mainly Irish Roman Catholics but Roman Catholics in general. I think the sort of feeling has always been that if such a club was created for that limited selection of the community then the other club, that being HMFC, must surely have been created for the predominantly Protestant community in Edinburgh. Think truth is that no matter how deeply you look into the history of The Heart of Midlothian Football Club you will never find anything which suggests that the club was either set up by or for only one specific religious group. Is it reasonable to assume that back in those days, I'm guessing none of us are old enough to confirm this factually, that it probably was the case that in Edinburgh most people living in Edinburgh at the time who were of a Protestant background and enjoyed football would go watch HMFC and vice versa if you happened to be from a Roman Catholic background, whether Irish or not. I'm guessing MJ is talking utter horseshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, portobellojambo1 said: I'm guessing MJ is going back to the days of the formation of Hibernians Football Club, the original religious bigots in Scottish football. A club which was formed around those living most prominently in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh at that time, Irish Roman Catholics and a club who would only employ those of a Roman Catholic upbringing. The whole club was created by and designed for mainly Irish Roman Catholics but Roman Catholics in general. I think the sort of feeling has always been that if such a club was created for that limited selection of the community then the other club, that being HMFC, must surely have been created for the predominantly Protestant community in Edinburgh. Think truth is that no matter how deeply you look into the history of The Heart of Midlothian Football Club you will never find anything which suggests that the club was either set up by or for only one specific religious group. Is it reasonable to assume that back in those days, I'm guessing none of us are old enough to confirm this factually, that it probably was the case that in Edinburgh most people living in Edinburgh at the time who were of a Protestant background and enjoyed football would go watch HMFC and vice versa if you happened to be from a Roman Catholic background, whether Irish or not. Probably true enough mate tbh, I can see how that would work. Thankfully it isn't the 19th century for 99% of Hearts fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, portobellojambo1 said: I'm guessing MJ is going back to the days of the formation of Hibernians Football Club, the original religious bigots in Scottish football. A club which was formed around those living most prominently in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh at that time, Irish Roman Catholics and a club who would only employ those of a Roman Catholic upbringing. The whole club was created by and designed for mainly Irish Roman Catholics but Roman Catholics in general. I think the sort of feeling has always been that if such a club was created for that limited selection of the community then the other club, that being HMFC, must surely have been created for the predominantly Protestant community in Edinburgh. Think truth is that no matter how deeply you look into the history of The Heart of Midlothian Football Club you will never find anything which suggests that the club was either set up by or for only one specific religious group. Is it reasonable to assume that back in those days, I'm guessing none of us are old enough to confirm this factually, that it probably was the case that in Edinburgh most people living in Edinburgh at the time who were of a Protestant background and enjoyed football would go watch HMFC and vice versa if you happened to be from a Roman Catholic background, whether Irish or not. Indeed and I believe that remains the case but some just have a blind spot on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, sadj said: Wow... How old are you? 5 years younger than he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, AlphonseCapone said: There will be heads exploding reading that Jake! Don't mention singing YNWA! Loved Rangers supporters heads exploding when they signed Mo Johnston and we all sang . Your only part time proddies. Aye mate like I've said already thank fek there wasn't internet in those days. Mind after 78 world cup finals and we used to rip up paper and have bog rolls . My Uncle would go off his heid after the game. Need to spend money on Hoover's instead of strikers. ? Need to give these lads a break. They are pretty tame tbh. The sectarian pish apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, New York Fleapit said: I'm guessing MJ is talking utter horseshit. Well of course you do. I disagree with you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, Wham Bam Austin McCann said: 5 years younger than he says. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: So will we bring Irish tricolours and sing **** the Queen and the UDA when we play Rangers then? ha ha, i just collapsed at that, imagine the seeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, jake said: Loved Rangers supporters heads exploding when they signed Mo Johnston and we all sang . Your only part time proddies. Aye mate like I've said already thank fek there wasn't internet in those days. Mind after 78 world cup finals and we used to rip up paper and have bog rolls . My Uncle would go off his heid after the game. Need to spend money on Hoover's instead of strikers. ? Need to give these lads a break. They are pretty tame tbh. The sectarian pish apart. Can you imagine the reaction on here to that? Or the " No Surrender " line in the Hearts version of Hail Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, bringbakterracing said: Your all very quick to have a pop here, someone please tell me what is wrong with mature adults meeting for a pint to discuss a differing opinion. As all that happens here is we go round in circles. As for asking how old i am, i seem to be the butt of some pretty childish jibes. If thats your aim say that , you wrote it like your asking folk out for a square go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, MacDonald Jardine said: Well of course you do. I disagree with you . You've yet to answer and instead piggy-backed someone else's post. How could I possibly know what I'm disagreeing with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, New York Fleapit said: You've yet to answer and instead piggy-backed someone else's post. How could I possibly know what I'm disagreeing with? What? You have disagreed with my post that Hearts were perceived as the Edinburgh Protestant team. What have I not answered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, MacDonald Jardine said: Can you imagine the reaction on here to that? Or the " No Surrender " line in the Hearts version of Hail Hail. Changed days Mac. And the better for it. Surely you agree that all that pish is just so dated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, jake said: Changed days Mac. And the better for it. Surely you agree that all that pish is just so dated. In fairness yes I get that, but the self righteousness on here gets a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, New York Fleapit said: You've yet to answer and instead piggy-backed someone else's post. How could I possibly know what I'm disagreeing with? You can't deny that Hearts are perceived as Edinburghs proddies . Even if like you we don't like it it's how Scottish football sees us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 hours ago, jake said: Religion and politics should have nothing to do with Hearts. But in saying that back in the 80s we had a large section of our support who were involved in the miners strike. And a smaller section who were neo Nazis. This involved singing of Arthur Scargill songs and frequent fights with the police. The neo Nazis took it after attacking socialists top of McLeod street who were collecting for the miners. So yes politics can affect support. But this is a long running affair in Scottish history and I would say even those like me who sang stupid songs when young need to say simply. No it's shit. It has no place at a football club Nookie. We live in a country that allows you to express those feelings in many different ways. Don't need the cover of HMFC to do so. I am not disagreeing with you, but I was responding to someone who said the average football fan wants nothing about politics or religion at games. Many fans worldwide are obviously comfortable with mixing football and politics and religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, MacDonald Jardine said: In fairness yes I get that, but the self righteousness on here gets a bit much. Yep. And the blindness to the bigotry in reverse. But I better leave it at that. Got a few warning points the last time that was discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, jake said: You can't deny that Hearts are perceived as Edinburghs proddies . Even if like you we don't like it it's how Scottish football sees us Everything is perception though Jake. The clever part is not proving them right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, Nookie Bear said: I am not disagreeing with you, but I was responding to someone who said the average football fan wants nothing about politics or religion at games. Many fans worldwide are obviously comfortable with mixing football and politics and religion. I know. When I looked back I realised . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartofHartley Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: So will we bring Irish tricolours and sing **** the Queen and the UDA when we play Rangers then? Don't be silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Des Lynam said: Everything is perception though Jake. The clever part is not proving them right. Aw aye mate. I think we have a long way to go before the mini hun tag is lost. I just can't get why the young team find this stuff attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartofHartley Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, New York Fleapit said: And why do they hate him? If you're asking that seriously then you know nothing about the Scottish game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, HeartofHartley said: Don't be silly Why not? Just a wind up. Will definitely get them worked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbakterracing Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, sadj said: If thats your aim say that , you wrote it like your asking folk out for a square go Not once did i mention anything like it, but the weirdos on here are quick to jump all over it. We all have different opinions, i know loads of people will not agree with mine, thats life. But on here , certain people think its their way or no other way. Does my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, HeartofHartley said: If you're asking that seriously then you know nothing about the Scottish game. Let's pretend I don't know. Why do they hate him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartofHartley Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, New York Fleapit said: Let's pretend I don't know. Why do they hate him? Seriously... away and take a shite in your hands and clap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, jake said: You can't deny that Hearts are perceived as Edinburghs proddies . Even if like you we don't like it it's how Scottish football sees us Maybe so, but given only about 7% of the country actually attends a church (of any denomination) it'd be about accurate as seeing us all as Hungarian Sonic the Hedgehog fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, HeartofHartley said: Seriously... away and take a shite in your hands and clap. Why won't you answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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