Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[ri Alban]

45 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

Spare a thought (and some change Guvnor) for poor old Nige, with the Brexit grift no longer yielding the kind of money it used to he's reduced to flogging video messages at £63.75 a pop. That superannuated EU pension can't kick in quickly enough.

 

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-08/nigel-farage-charging-6375-for-video-messages-after-joining-cameo-in-first-venture-since-quitting-politics

He keeps popping up on YouTube, trying to sell shit from the city of London or something like that. I press skip ads so don't really know the full script. 

 

He's a bellend, but England would probably elect him as president, given the chance. 

[WorldChampions1902]

Nadine Dorries telling The Nursing Standard journal in 2016 that “Brexit will boost the pay of NHS staff”. 😂  Another broken Brexit promise to add to the ever-growing list.

 

https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/opinion/comment/brexit-will-boost-nhs-pay-claims-nurse-mp-59736?fbclid=IwAR1YZiCoQyPnGOWhjpQcnjcAopRiw30QxkJJ2gYSF2uIZaIIWiy2nLgmFhU

 

 

[ri Alban]

Every UK minister has  a union jack when they're on screen. Is this Brexit or anti independence? 

[ri Alban]

41% drop in exports for January. 

[Cade]

19 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

41% drop in exports for January. 

Just teething problems.

 

Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor.

 

Here look at this.

[jack D and coke]

9 minutes ago, Cade said:

Just teething problems.

 

Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor.

 

Here look at this.

 
I keep wondering just who is supposed to be benefitting here. And this government is throwing money around like never before too. 
Something will have to give somewhere. If this was Labour they’d be accused of bankrupting the country. 
I don’t understand at all. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by jack D and coke

[Costanza]

Where are the Brexit supporters and remainer contrarians?

I thought they would be all over this thread besmirching this rehashing of Project Fear.

(****ing Expected Actual Reality more like)

 

 

 

[Lovecraft]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56370690

 

Who'd have thunk it eh?

 

 

 

[Lovecraft]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Just teething problems.

 

Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor.

 

Here look at this.

Made in China

 

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

35 minutes ago, Costanza said:

Where are the Brexit supporters and remainer contrarians?

I thought they would be all over this thread besmirching this rehashing of Project Fear.

(****ing Expected Actual Reality more like)

 

 

 

But, but, we'll all benefit when were dead. You've got to look at the bigger picture.

 

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

41% drop in exports for January. 

April’s gonna be interesting. And not in a good way.

[Lovecraft]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56017419

 

Brexit: London loses out as Europe's top share trading hub

Amsterdam ousted London as the largest financial trading centre in Europe last month as Brexit-related changes to finance rules came into force.

 

Financial services makes up about 7% of the UK's income in total, and about 40% of banking and investment's business abroad is with the EU.

 

Financial services contributed almost £76bn in tax receipts to the UK Treasury last year.

 

 

 

[Cade]

And we're still in a transition period.

April and July I think are the final two thresholds when even more trade barriers go up and even more red tape is introduced.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

[WorldChampions1902]

Japanese companies leaving in droves. The good news for our European friends, is that they are setting-up there instead, in vastly increasing numbers.

 

They knew what they voted for.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-trade-japan-exodus-firms-uk-eu/?fbclid=IwAR1wR2QyrAugXLM6qiQUeZHDEQ9rQuhqNQqnrLLSZqYV_6E-zCLeJoILQVU

 

[WorldChampions1902]

The City now resigned to no Equivalence Deal with the EU for Financial Sector. Yet another Brexit chicken coming home to roost and this one is really going to hurt our economy.

 

But they knew what they voted for.

 

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/brexit-equivalence-deal-for-city-is-now-so-unachievable-its-silly-to-bother-20210315

Edited March 15, 2021 by WorldChampions1902

[Cade]

Legal action starting today over the UK breaching the NI Protocol after only a month.

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Cade

[WorldChampions1902]

4 minutes ago, Cade said:

Legal action starting today over the UK breaching the NI Protocol after only a month.

 

I pointed out a long time ago on this thread that the U.K. government will pick a fight with the EU to distract from Project Reality. The only way the government can keep the Unicorn brigade onside is to paint the EU as the bad guys, running down our great country and being obstructive at every turn.
 

Given the lack of rational thinking among many Leavers, these tactics have a very good chance of succeeding unfortunately.

[Justin Z]

Very interesting thoughts here. Obviously would need a lot more info than a Twitter thread to make an informed decision, but given the damage Brexit has already caused and will continue to cause, it's worth looking into. Either way, July feels awfully optimistic. On the other hand, there's no reason to believe the Scottish Government wouldn't actually negotiate and work towards this, instead of drawing ridiculous red lines and pretending the EU was to blame for no progress being made for years... speaking of "getting on with the day job".

 

Shame that Westminster has no actual interest in upholding democratic principles though.

 

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Justin Z

[jambogaza]

23 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Very interesting thoughts here. Obviously would need a lot more info than a Twitter thread to make an informed decision, but given the damage Brexit has already caused and will continue to cause, it's worth looking into. Either way, July feels awfully optimistic. On the other hand, there's no reason to believe the Scottish Government wouldn't actually negotiate and work towards this, instead of drawing ridiculous red lines and pretending the EU was to blame for no progress being made for years... speaking of "getting on with the day job".

 

Shame that Westminster has no actual interest in upholding democratic principles though.

 

 

 

I'm not sure the promise of a referendum next parliament can be relied on to get voters out in the numbers needed to ensure a mandate. There is still appetite, despite what the media is trying to spin, for a referendum on independence. Not immediately though - within the lifetime of the  next parliament. 2023, to me, seems sensible.

 

In the interim period - and this is what I think will help get voters out - demand the borrowing powers that are required to invest in our recovery, alongside bold proposals on how that money would be spent. There is no reason whatsoever why we can't borrow above the limit already set and that should be made clear.

 

With regards to brexit, I do worry that the UKGOV is getting away with one here. Despite the miserable statistics, there is little attention being paid towards it. This need spelled out, alongside a clear roadmap back into the EU/EFTA.

[Justin Z]

3 minutes ago, jambogaza said:

 

I'm not sure the promise of a referendum next parliament can be relied on to get voters out in the numbers needed to ensure a mandate. There is still appetite, despite what the media is trying to spin, for a referendum on independence. Not immediately though - within the lifetime of the  next parliament. 2023, to me, seems sensible.

 

In the interim period - and this is what I think will help get voters out - demand the borrowing powers that are required to invest in our recovery, alongside bold proposals on how that money would be spent. There is no reason whatsoever why we can't borrow above the limit already set and that should be made clear.

 

With regards to brexit, I do worry that the UKGOV is getting away with one here. Despite the miserable statistics, there is little attention being paid towards it. This need spelled out, alongside a clear roadmap back into the EU/EFTA.

 

Good thoughts, thanks. Couldn't agree more, pushing the statistics that are out there about what a disaster the Tories' handling of Brexit has been, with a roadmap for at least getting back to the EFTA, to Norway-lite or some sort of relationship with the EU instead of this ridiculous near-complete hard exit from the bloc, is vital.

[Unknown user]

The cluster**** deniers are thin on the ground now eh?

 

Was talking to my mate over the weekend, he roadies for an international band, tours the world.

Don't be expecting a healthy live music scene after covid, we've made an utter arse of the situations for touring bands and their crews, the cost and logistics of bringing shows to the UK just got prohibitive.

 

[NANOJAMBO]

19 minutes ago, Smithee said:

The cluster**** deniers are thin on the ground now eh?

 

Was talking to my mate over the weekend, he roadies for an international band, tours the world.

Don't be expecting a healthy live music scene after covid, we've made an utter arse of the situations for touring bands and their crews, the cost and logistics of bringing shows to the UK just got prohibitive.

 

brexit has been "won" and that's all that ever mattered. brexit isn't like the indy debate where some people simply won't vote for it until/unless they get everything ticked off and cast iron assurances they won't be worse off. brexit was never any of that. 

[WorldChampions1902]

Another 100billion Euros leaves the City as it’s transferred out to Brussels. Just another morsel in a gargantuan banquet of cash the U.K. continues to haemorrhage. God knows how we will manage to pay for our public services when the final Brexit ‘bill’ lands.

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR2y86j7etUyvQOGsEI85rVsh_tQgLxB5KzV1ewnBdhRigm27WKh0FtjXKI

[NANOJAMBO]

23 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Another 100billion Euros leaves the City as it’s transferred out to Brussels. Just another morsel in a gargantuan banquet of cash the U.K. continues to haemorrhage. God knows how we will manage to pay for our public services when the final Brexit ‘bill’ lands.

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR2y86j7etUyvQOGsEI85rVsh_tQgLxB5KzV1ewnBdhRigm27WKh0FtjXKI

Over 7,000 thousand jobs lost from London alone.

Amsterdam now the share trading No1.

France looking to usurp London as the money capital of Europe.

Massive overheads and additional operating costs for all businesses who trade in Europe & some (a lot) of companies now having to open European offices in order to trade there.

I spoke to chief PM at JD Sports 18 months ago - they're building a giant warehouse in NL and reducing their "UK footprint" because they can't sustain the cost of managing returns from internet shoppers in the EU & the customs impact. "It's what they voted for. They haven't got a clue" - his own words. 

Does anyone even pretend about the "brexit dividend" any more ? 

[WorldChampions1902]

17 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Does anyone even pretend about the "brexit dividend" any more ? 

I have had a few FB exchanges in recent months with a distant family member who is adamant that the NHS is going to receive an extra £350m a month from January this year. 

Edited March 16, 2021 by WorldChampions1902

[Unknown user]

54 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

I have had a few FB exchanges in recent months with a distant family member who is adamant that the NHS is going to receive an extra £350m a month from January this year. 

Let's just say he's right (he isn't, but...)

 

It was £350m a WEEK - where's the other 1.1bn a month?

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Smithee

[NANOJAMBO]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

Let's just say he's right (he isn't, but...)

 

It was £350m a WEEK - where's the other 1.1bn a month?

 

http://e3.365dm.com/16/06/1600x900/gettyimages-531883850-1-2048x1536_3490755.jpg

Per month or per week , either way , it should be more than enough to fund the 50 hospitals Boris promised us.  That should mean 5 more hospitals for Scotland under the Barnett formula. 🙄

And all those extra nurses too. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

39 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Per month or per week , either way , it should be more than enough to fund the 50 hospitals Boris promised us.  That should mean 5 more hospitals for Scotland under the Barnett formula. 🙄

And all those extra nurses too. 

[Cade]

We send the EU £350million a week

Let's spend it on nuclear weapons to defend our food banks instead

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

34 minutes ago, Cade said:

We send the EU £350million a week

Let's spend it on nuclear weapons to defend our food banks instead

Guaranteed it's just another way for the Tories to syphon tax monies into to their bank accounts. And not one arms deal will go tender, every single one will go a Tory donor/pal.

[Malinga the Swinga]

Speaking as remain voter, moaning about cost of Brexit seems extremely petty given the absolute disaster the EU have made with vaccination programme. 

The decision to leave EU has been justified 100 times over by this alone. 

[ri Alban]

No it hasn't.  And I can't wait to rejoin the EU and be the northern thumbscrew that puts the boot into ruk at every corner.

Total and absolute destruction. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by ri Alban

[manaliveits105]

7 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Speaking as remain voter, moaning about cost of Brexit seems extremely petty given the absolute disaster the EU have made with vaccination programme. 

The decision to leave EU has been justified 100 times over by this alone. 

Correct 

 

this thread will be like finding Japanese soldiers on an island still fighting on 20 years after the war ended - usual suspects harping on pointlessly 

[ri Alban]

A thing of beauty! 

Edited March 18, 2021 by ri Alban

[manaliveits105]

 

 

[Justin Z]

8 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Speaking as remain voter, moaning about cost of Brexit seems extremely petty given the absolute disaster the EU have made with vaccination programme. 

The decision to leave EU has been justified 100 times over by this alone. 

 

Given the absolute disaster the UK has made of the death rate pre-vaccination, once again, an image of a barn door slamming shut months after the horses bolted comes to mind.

 

In other words, a completely irrelevant remark.

[jack D and coke]

Let’s remind ourselves how trustworthy David Davis is too☺️
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/david-davis-accused-of-blatant-lying-and-contempt-of-parliament-over-brexit-impact-papers

[WorldChampions1902]

12 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Speaking as remain voter, moaning about cost of Brexit seems extremely petty given the absolute disaster the EU have made with vaccination programme. 

The decision to leave EU has been justified 100 times over by this alone. 

We went our own way on the vaccination programme. We could have chosen to follow the exact same path had we remained in the EU. So your point is what?

 

Your dismissal of the Brexit costs to date fails to recognise the extreme self-inflicted damage to various business sectors and our overall economy. These are already considerable and will escalate significantly over the coming months and years. Scroll up a few posts and you will see the gargantuan impact to date on the Financial sector for example. These colossal sums of money being sucked out of our economy will impact every one of us very badly.

Edited March 18, 2021 by WorldChampions1902

[John Findlay]

5 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

We went our own way on the vaccination programme. We could have chosen to follow the exact same path had we remained in the EU. So your point is what?

 

Your dismissal of the Brexit costs to date fails to recognise the extreme self-inflicted damage to various business sectors and our overall economy. These are already considerable and will escalate significantly over the coming months and years. Scroll up a few posts and you will see the gargantuan impact to date on the Financial sector for example. These colossal sums of money being sucked out of our economy will impact every one of us very badly.

How many other EU members have gone their on way on a vaccination programme?

[Cade]

UK rushed the AZ vaccine through the vetting process.

It had to.

It had the worst death rate in the region.

 

EU's vaccine response has been sluggish but then they preformed lockdowns and preventions better in the first place.

 

Point scoring goes both ways.

Trying to make out that the UK is somehow "winning" the pandemic is bizarre.

 

[John Findlay]

38 minutes ago, Cade said:

UK rushed the AZ vaccine through the vetting process.

It had to.

It had the worst death rate in the region.

 

EU's vaccine response has been sluggish but then they preformed lockdowns and preventions better in the first place.

 

Point scoring goes both ways.

Trying to make out that the UK is somehow "winning" the pandemic is bizarre.

 

You're wrong here. The EU have on this occasion thrown their toys out the pram.

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

How many other EU members have gone their on way on a vaccination programme?

No idea. What I won’t accept is an insinuation that the EU is some big bad wolf on that score.
 

We had industrial levels of similar BS from our media and government in the run up to the Brexit Vote which helped sway the hard of thinking. How many times have we heard (and continue to hear) from those same sources, that being in the EU handicaps the U.K. should it wish to ‘raise the bar’ on all types of standards? It’s total lies (again). EU standards are a MINIMUM and member countries are free to exceed those standards should they so wish. It’s kind of ironic, whilst this government persists in maintaining this myth, it is hell-bent on LOWERING standards if it can get away with it, in order to gain a competitive edge.

The race to the bottom is well underway on so many levels.

[John Findlay]

7 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

No idea. What I won’t accept is an insinuation that the EU is some big bad wolf on that score.
 

We had industrial levels of similar BS from our media and government in the run up to the Brexit Vote which helped sway the hard of thinking. How many times have we heard (and continue to hear) from those same sources, that being in the EU handicaps the U.K. should it wish to ‘raise the bar’ on all types of standards? It’s total lies (again). EU standards are a MINIMUM and member countries are free to exceed those standards should they so wish. It’s kind of ironic, whilst this government persists in maintaining this myth, it is hell-bent on LOWERING standards if it can get away with it, in order to gain a competitive edge.

The race to the bottom is well underway on so many levels.

On a personal level, in or out of the EU doesnt in my opinion affect me one iota. Like the UK government, Scottish government, and governments worldwide, the EU made a mistake with regard to vaccination and on this occasion threw its toys out the pram.

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

On a personal level, in or out of the EU doesnt in my opinion affect me one iota. Like the UK government, Scottish government, and governments worldwide, the EU made a mistake with regard to vaccination and on this occasion threw its toys out the pram.

Oh it'll affect you alright, but the government will blame the EU, covid, and anything else it can think of. We haven't yet begun to feel the pain of Brexit.

[John Findlay]

5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Oh it'll affect you alright, but the government will blame the EU, covid, and anything else it can think of. We haven't yet begun to feel the pain of Brexit.

Maybe we never shall. I voted remain, the UK as a whole didnt. The UK government left the EU as per the will of the majority of its citizens.

That unfortunately is how it works.

Personally I think I will be fine.

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Maybe we never shall. I voted remain, the UK as a whole didnt. The UK government left the EU as per the will of the majority of its citizens.

That unfortunately is how it works.

Personally I think I will be fine.

It wasn't the will of the majority of the citizens, only of those that voted, but that aside I don't know why you're telling me how votes work, it makes no difference to the fact that big economic trouble is coming

[John Findlay]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

It wasn't the will of the majority of the citizens, only of those that voted, but that aside I don't know why you're telling me how votes work, it makes no difference to the fact that big economic trouble is coming

More fool them that didnt vote then and that could. They only have themselves to blame if they didnt get the required result they wanted because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

We will see in time if financial armageddon happens. 

If it does happen then you were right and I was wrong. 

Bully for you.

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

More fool them that didnt vote then and that could. They only have themselves to blame if they didnt get the required result they wanted because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

We will see in time if financial armageddon happens. 

If it does happen then you were right and I was wrong. 

Bully for you.

I'm just saying that there's big financial trouble coming based on our plunging exports, imports costing more, masses of finance leaving London. So many sectors have been massively affected and we're not even out of the transition period.

 

I honestly can't even begin to imagine how anyone can't see big trouble ahead.

[John Findlay]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

I'm just saying that there's big financial trouble coming based on our plunging exports, imports costing more, masses of finance leaving London. So many sectors have been massively affected and we're not even out of the transition period.

 

I honestly can't even begin to imagine how anyone can't see big trouble ahead.

It's a case of wait and see.

[NANOJAMBO]

1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

No idea. What I won’t accept is an insinuation that the EU is some big bad wolf on that score.
 

We had industrial levels of similar BS from our media and government in the run up to the Brexit Vote which helped sway the hard of thinking. How many times have we heard (and continue to hear) from those same sources, that being in the EU handicaps the U.K. should it wish to ‘raise the bar’ on all types of standards? It’s total lies (again). EU standards are a MINIMUM and member countries are free to exceed those standards should they so wish. It’s kind of ironic, whilst this government persists in maintaining this myth, it is hell-bent on LOWERING standards if it can get away with it, in order to gain a competitive edge.

The race to the bottom is well underway on so many levels.

Precisely. Hence the "level playing field*" issues : the EU won't allow the UK to get any economic advantage by becoming  even more of a sweat shop.  The UK has major productivity issues which are masked by cheap labour costs.

The race to the bottom is very much on.