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Francis Albert
1 hour ago, Cade said:

Horror of horrors, Boris and Moggy are planning to run together with Boris as #1 and Moggy as deputy.

 

:sob:

Great. Zero chance of success.

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Cruyff Turn
45 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Yes the leadership process is well known.      I can't see Johnson getting in personally.     MPs would be very wary of him being leader into an election.    Maybe safer for their re-election to steer clear.     Depends on the other candidates of course.     Gove, Javid and Hunt are all certainties to be considerations.    Leadsom,  Raab,  Barclay,  Hancock,  Truss on the fringes.     There will probably be far more Brexiteer candidates which wont help Johnson.

That of course is Boris and the Toffs biggest problem.... getting a majority of Remainer Tory MP’s to vote them into the next rounds. 

Raabs another hardcore Brexiteer and a callous git to boot, he’ll have a chance as he’s not Boris.

Gove, Javid and Hunt are certainly going to command the centre ground. 

As you say, if more moderate Brexiteers run against Boris they would dilute the vote. 

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11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Maitlis ragdolling Moggy.   

She’s ****ing superb.  Glad she got that gig, Wark was losing her touch.

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7 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

That of course is Boris and the Toffs biggest problem.... getting a majority of Remainer Tory MP’s to vote them into the next rounds. 

Raabs another hardcore Brexiteer and a callous git to boot, he’ll have a chance as he’s not Boris.

Gove, Javid and Hunt are certainly going to command the centre ground. 

As you say, if more moderate Brexiteers run against Boris they would dilute the vote. 

 

Johnson's best chance would be a clear remain candidate of broad popularity.    Those two get through the parliamentary rounds as a distinct choice between the opposite wings of the party.   Membership prefer a lunatic Brexiteer over a vanilla moderate candidate.      I don't see any apart from Lidington.   Hammond isn't interested.

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5 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said:

She’s ****ing superb.  Glad she got that gig, Wark was losing her touch.

 

Wark is a disgrace.    She's been caught out trying to influence the responses out of guests on the programme.     Total Tory apologist as well.

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Francis Albert
3 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Erm... no deal agreed in time + Irish border backstop.    What Brexit have you been watching?

Thanks. I had missed or forgotten (as I suspect many have) in all the current drama that even if May's deal is passed it effectively just postpones the next cliff edge no deal exit for 18 months or so. In fact if any of the 8 alternatives had been approved by the Commons that would also be the case, even if the EU agree to a long delay in Article 50's application. Given the current mess there is little reason to believe the Commons will agree any form of the final agreement on the future relationship with the EU. If I were a leave voter I might suspect the process is designed to ensure we never leave.

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12 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

If I were a leave voter I might suspect the process is designed to ensure we never leave.

 

I've seen a few Leavers express that opinion and I can see why they might think that way. We'll be leaving though, of that I have no doubt. All that is left is to see how closely we will be aligned to our new ally and trading partner.

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The Mighty Thor
7 hours ago, Victorian said:

Nick Watt's cabinet mole painted a picture of absolute carnage in cabinet.    Total meltdown.    

And yet she's still hanging on in there and more significantly Corbyn still can't touch her. Staggering.

6 hours ago, Victorian said:

Maitlis ragdolling Moggy.   

There's a tangible dishonesty about that absolute charlatan.

He's like Johnson but with a bit more intelligence. 

 

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37 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Do we know what time the vote is likely to be?

 

Parliament sits at 9:30 so nothing guaranteed but about 2:30pm it’s expected. 

 

The vote will will probably be held again at 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, the way it’s been going!

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Attorney General stating openly that it's May's Deal or No Deal.

 

She's manged to run the clock down far enough to reach this point.

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Cruyff Turn
7 minutes ago, Cade said:

Attorney General stating openly that it's May's Deal or No Deal.

 

She's manged to run the clock down far enough to reach this point.

:what:they are actually going to do it? 

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No way. Parliament has the IV thing next week.    They wont be accepting no deal.    If they're trying to portray it like that then it's an utterly false picture.     She needs locked up.

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The Real Maroonblood
12 minutes ago, Cade said:

Well, Labour, Plaid and DUP have all said they're voting against.

 

So No Deal it is.

 

UK is finished.

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Sky News present Boulton I think? Just caught saying he thinks "This thing about the right wing is bollocks" just as they cut tona break before closing his mic. He had just been talking about the inevitability that the next Tory leader will be Right Wing.

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1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Apparently 17 Labour MP’s are going to back MV3 

 

Labour are finished. Certainly In Scotland if they do this.

 

Why? If 17 MPs reject the party whip then that's their choice. None of the Scottish Labour MPs are part of this grouping, in fact they're some of the most vocal pro-EU voices in there.

 

The other night a resolution was within our reach and the SNP abstained. The same night two MPs from the SNP put independence before a crisis by rejecting a second vote. 

 

They're all at it.

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1 minute ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Why? If 17 MPs reject the party whip then that's their choice. None of the Scottish Labour MPs are part of this grouping, in fact they're some of the most vocal pro-EU voices in there.

 

The other night a resolution was within our reach and the SNP abstained. The same night two MPs from the SNP put independence before a crisis by rejecting a second vote. 

 

They're all at it.

 

Indeed they are.

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3 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Why? If 17 MPs reject the party whip then that's their choice. None of the Scottish Labour MPs are part of this grouping, in fact they're some of the most vocal pro-EU voices in there.

 

The other night a resolution was within our reach and the SNP abstained. The same night two MPs from the SNP put independence before a crisis by rejecting a second vote. 

 

They're all at it.

 

It's hard to disagree with any of that really. 

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It's the first past the post, winner-takes-all nature of the UK political system that has brought us here.

Everybody is playing politics either for party reasons, personal reasons or dogmatic reasons.

Adversarial politics is a cancer eating away at democracy.

Consensus politics is the norm across most of western europe.

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Cruyff Turn
1 minute ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Why? If 17 MPs reject the party whip then that's their choice. None of the Scottish Labour MPs are part of this grouping, in fact they're some of the most vocal pro-EU voices in there.

 

The other night a resolution was within our reach and the SNP abstained. The same night two MPs from the SNP put independence before a crisis by rejecting a second vote. 

 

They're all at it.

Why? The electorate here won’t care where those MP’s are from, all they’ll see is Labour MP’s voting through a hard Tory Brexit. 

 

They certainly are. 

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**** it.

 

Let no deal happen. 

 

Nicola will soon fire the gun and we can rid ourselves of this shitshow.

 

BoJo getting the keys to number 10 won't even be required.

 

As an earlier poster said, it’s in the post.

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Labour could be engineering a backing of the WA from the back benches.     Leave area MPs backing the WA as proxy for the front bench.    Get it done.    Avoid no deal.    Plausible denial of Labour officially caving in.     

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
6 minutes ago, The Doc said:

**** it.

 

Let no deal happen. 

 

Nicola will soon fire the gun and we can rid ourselves of this shitshow.

 

BoJo getting the keys to number 10 won't even be required.

 

As an earlier poster said, it’s in the post.

 

I just hope Scotland don’t steam into independence and then find out that it’s shit.

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1 minute ago, Victorian said:

Labour could be engineering a backing of the WA from the back benches.     Leave area MPs backing the WA as proxy for the front bench.    Get it done.    Avoid no deal.    Plausible denial of Labour officially caving in.     

 

If Corbyn wants to finish himself off finally, that’s the way to do it.

 

johnson and his mob are twats but I’ll say this - at least they make their opinions plain. Corbyn is the most disingenuous ***** going

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2 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

I just hope Scotland don’t steam into independence and then find out that it’s shit.

 

Well if it is at least it’ll be shit of our own doing.

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1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

If Corbyn wants to finish himself off finally, that’s the way to do it.

 

johnson and his mob are twats but I’ll say this - at least they make their opinions plain. Corbyn is the most disingenuous ***** going

 

Maybe.    But national interest decisions or shady deal makings could be later described as being realistic,  pragmatic,   admirable.     

 

I reckon she needs about 40 Labour MPs.     

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Brexiteers voting for the deal now as they fear another extension or a 2nd referendum.

Labour MPs defying the whip to vote for the deal now as they fear a no deal crash out. 

Never mind that passing the deal today then puts the political declaration into the hands of the new PM (god forbid Boris or Hunt or Gove)

This could be tighter than anybody thought.

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Sir John Redwood:

"Who on earth would agree to pay unlimited, unknown bills and not have genuine independent arbitration over the purpose?"

 

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to name but three ya dick

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
11 minutes ago, Cade said:

Brexiteers voting for the deal now as they fear another extension or a 2nd referendum.

Labour MPs defying the whip to vote for the deal now as they fear a no deal crash out. 

Never mind that passing the deal today then puts the political declaration into the hands of the new PM (god forbid Boris or Hunt or Gove)

This could be tighter than anybody thought.

 

What time do they vote?

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Lavly

 

I hope they never get re-elected

 

The thing is, I’ve never totally understood MPs shitting themselves about getting voted out by their constituencies. Say, for example, you’re a Labour MP in Sunderland who goes against a Brexit vote. Sunderland isn’t suddenly going to vote Tory FFS.

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