Pans Jambo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 MV3 vote going ahead tmw. Whats changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: If you're not going to stand by the outcome of the vote, you shouldn't take part in it. THE DUP are anti gay marriage, anti abortion, and agreeing with the SNP. You mean . . . you should abstain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: I did vote & I stand by it. One way or another, Scotland will be an EU member. DUP agreeing with the SNP how? If they voted similarly it’ll be for completely different reasons so your view is a tad simplistic. There needs to be a peoples vote because nobody is going to agree to anything in Westminster. Thats obvious. Oofftt don't point that out to him. He gets all stroppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Oofftt don't point that out to him. He gets all stroppy. Think it may be time for another spell in the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: No it isn't, otherwise there would be no point in a peoples vote, which is what the Scottish parliament wanted until yesterday There's no point in arguing with you. You don't get the system and you don't understand the role of the SNP in the UK parliament. Stupidity or trolling? Probably both in equal measure would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) What happened yesterday was really kind of pointless, our real options are May's deal, to leave without a deal, or to request a long extension / revoke with a view to handing in our notice again while we try to work out what TF we're doing. The current deal can't pass, unless we think Ulster unionists are suddenly going to get into compromising, and no deal is too crazy for even our politicians to allow. We need more time, no matter where this is going, the uncomfortable truth needs to be faced. Edited March 28, 2019 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Whats the arithmetic of the house if every Tory plus opposition MPs that have previously voted for MV2 vote for MV3 but the DUP abstain? Would that be enough to pass? What are the chances of this happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The DUP won't vote for Mays shitty deal nor will she gain the full support of the ERG. Unless something drastic changes I can't see how Bercow allows the vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Whats the arithmetic of the house if every Tory plus opposition MPs that have previously voted for MV2 vote for MV3 but the DUP abstain? Would that be enough to pass? What are the chances of this happening? The DUP plus at least some of the ERG won't touch it, but that's a vague number, it's hard to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said: The DUP won't vote for Mays shitty deal nor will she gain the full support of the ERG. Unless something drastic changes I can't see how Bercow allows the vote? The DUP abstaining would benefit the Gov though. Reduces No vote by 10 or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: The DUP abstaining would benefit the Gov though. Reduces No vote by 10 or so? They're not going to abstain if it means the deal goes through. It's no technicality to them, they see it as may's deal putting a wedge between NI and the rest of the Uk, which is fundamentally against everything they believe. They'll actively vote against may's deal, that's in the bank I reckon. Edited March 28, 2019 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: They're not going to abstain if it means the deal goes through. It's no technicality to them, they see it as may's deal putting a wedge between NI and the rest of the Uk, which is fundamentally against everything they believe. They'll actively vote against may's deal, that's in the bank I reckon. The DUP have confirmed they are voting against, not abstaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Thats good then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 General Election, DUP go back to being irrelevant, something gets passed in Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said: Amazing it needs explained to anyone. It's an opinion not a fact, and one I disagree with. If you could understand that, you might not resort to mud slinging and actually engage in debate. As far as I can see your stance is to accuse people with a different opinion of being thick, ignore what you don't understand and then seek solace in your friends when you get out of your depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: It's an opinion not a fact, and one I disagree with. If you could understand that, you might not resort to mud slinging and actually engage in debate. As far as I can see your stance is to accuse people with a different opinion of being thick, ignore what you don't understand and then seek solace in your friends when you get out of your depth. I said your view was simplistic, that's an opinion, you then simply called me an arse, but aye I'm slinging mud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) DUP abstain (they wont). Swing of 70 votes needed. DUP vote against. Swing of 75 needed. ERG votes would total 40 max. Further 35 votes needed. Labour will whip against so 35 would be way too many to expect. If Labour wanted to facilitate the vote getting through they could make it a free vote. It's possible that 35 would back the vote. ERG votes might be nowhere near 40, greatly diminishing any prospect of the vote getting through. On balance it looks highly unlikely. Edited March 28, 2019 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: I said your view was simplistic, that's an opinion, you then simply called me an arse, but aye I'm slinging mud I responded to your insult. That happens in life. Can't believe that needs explaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 In theory, Labour engineering May's deal through could result in an election. DUP would withdraw support of government. Labour calls confidence motion with chance of winning. In reality, it would be perverse for Labour to support the government's be-all-and-end-all policy and then credibly declare no confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SE16 3LN said: I responded to your insult. That happens in life. Can't believe that needs explaining. I didn't insult you, I said your interpretation was simplistic, stop being sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 46 minutes ago, Cade said: General Election, DUP go back to being irrelevant, something gets passed in Parliament. Only if one party wins a majority, we could end up exactly where we are now with a hung parliament and still be in the same hole as we are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: I responded to your insult. That happens in life. Can't believe that needs explaining. It's you who has been insulting others. Probably because of your flimsy grasp of what you're attempting to discuss. Tough one for ye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Labour voting against, coz if her deal gets through then she goes and we get stuck with Gove or Boris. So Labour are voting to keep May in power. Funny old game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 If nothing else good comes of this whole shitshow, then at least this thread is terrific entertainment. Keep it up chaps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 More of last nights votes again tomorrow then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Chat that gvt to table motion on WA tomorrow, but hived off from the PD. Gvt not telling anyone yet. EU saying the two parts cannot be separated anyway. SNP's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Cade said: SNP represent the people of Scotland. Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain. SNP are carrying out their wishes as best they can. 110% anyone who thinks otherwise, are clearly thick as pig shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 18 hours ago, LeftBack said: St Johnstone should have been an option Thanks for this, gave me a good laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On Monday that Boris John son says the PM deal will turn the UK into a "Vassal State" soon as he gets a sniff of another crack at PM he'll vote for her deal. Immoral shameful and he's not alone! About time we kicked all of these ****ers into touch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, SuperstarSteve said: 110% anyone who thinks otherwise, are clearly thick as pig shit. Maybe just 100% there, Steve eh ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Cade said: SNP represent the people of Scotland. Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain. SNP are carrying out their wishes as best they can. They didn't seem to take that approach after the 2014 referendum. But I think the SNP's misguided approach to Brexit since the 2016 vote will actually reinforce the 2014 vote. If the UK leaves, independence becomes more problematic ... for much the same reasons as Brexit is problematic. If the UK stays, in line with the "overwhelming majority" of Scots wishes and against the majority of English voters wishes, the case for leaving the other union is weakened somewhat and the "we are downtrodden by the wicked English" card certainly loses a bit of its potency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Bercow still insisting he won't allow a third vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: They are acting in the same way as many tory MP's and many Labour MP's. They are trying to stop the UK leaving the EU because they don't give a shite about democracy. Unfortunately for them, they have in fact increased the likelihood of no deal. I wonder how their constituents will feel about that Don't tease. No deal, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, Cade said: Bercow still insisting he won't allow a third vote He's allowing it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) . Edited March 28, 2019 by AlimOzturk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, ri Alban said: He's allowing it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, Mikey1874 said: Shocking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 So what's changed? Won't pass anyway eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: So what's changed? Won't pass anyway eh? Im not sure, it will be closer than people think. Again if she knows she doesnt have the numbers this is just more procrastinating and ****wittery. The woman is an absolute liability but what was the substantive change for Bercow?. Edited March 28, 2019 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: That ticker tape info is more shocking!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I'm surprised the UK hasn't invaded someone to deflect from brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: Im not sure, it will be closer than people think. Again if she knows she doesnt have the numbers this is just more procrastinating and ****wittery. The woman is an absolute liability but what was the substantive change for Bercow?. The WA has been separated from the Political Agreement. That's the difference. If that fails tomorrow they will not be allowed to bring that back either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Labour not voting for it. Gov saying they had no choice but to put it forward tomorrow to comply with EU agreement in order to be able to extend to 22nd May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I'm surprised the UK hasn't invaded someone to deflect from brexit. Still time for some form of deflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 He’s allowing it in fairness but he knows it’ll fail anyway ? Top wummery from Bercow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I'm surprised the UK hasn't invaded someone to deflect from brexit. Run out of minor royals to impregnate. Lizzy or Phil would have to drop down deid to provide the distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, The Real Maroonblood said: Still time for some form of deflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cade said: Run out of minor royals to impregnate. Lizzy or Phil would have to drop down deid to provide the distraction. Maybe Auld Betty should do something about the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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