Boris Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 the uk will be free to negotiate new trade agreements Scotland will lose its main 80% trading partner and have to let the EU negotiate for us. the uk is there already quite able to stand on its own, Scotland seems to need somebodies hand to hold. you say negative I say reality. the reality is that so far the separatists aren't winning over any new converts, it actually seems the other way. they didn't even get a peoples mandate to try again, it was forced through only by holyrood, as the polls have shown little taste for another referendum. 80% main trading partner? That's shot up a bit, hasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Latest from Curtice. Thats the freedom of movement myth blown up in the SNPs faces. If Nicola campaigns for it she will get a bloody nose. But she is smart enough to read the analysis and expect a shift in tactics from the SNP away from freedom of movement. And the acolytes will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Latest from Curtice. Thats the freedom of movement myth blown up in the SNPs faces. If Nicola campaigns for it she will get a bloody nose. But she is smart enough to read the analysis and expect a shift in tactics from the SNP away from freedom of movement. And the acolytes will follow. The same article was posted this morning, maybe a different source, from Hasselhof, but none of the Nationalists have commented on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Trade was 63% with RUK in 2015 and gosh the Scots want the same as RUK from Brexit according to Curtice survey but of course that wont be an acceptable WOS survey Homewards to think again Krankies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 The same article was posted this morning, maybe a different source, from Hasselhof, but none of the Nationalists have commented on it. My bad. As it is not aligned to Nats previous campaign messages then they will have to volte face if they genuinely want to keep their support. But they are getting more and more misaligned from the popular views now......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Had a look at another website which is 98% snp supporters and some polls definitely have them on the run - changing their tune from Indyref2 to oh its just a smart move by SNP to make sure Scotland gets a good deal from Brexit - interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators JKBMod 5 Posted March 30, 2017 Moderators Share Posted March 30, 2017 Hello Indy Ref thread. This is your daily reminder to keep it civil and debate the post rather than the poster. Your cooperation is appreciated. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 the uk will be free to negotiate new trade agreements Scotland will lose its main 80% trading partner and have to let the EU negotiate for us. the uk is there already quite able to stand on its own, Scotland seems to need somebodies hand to hold. you say negative I say reality. the reality is that so far the separatists aren't winning over any new converts, it actually seems the other way. they didn't even get a peoples mandate to try again, it was forced through only by holyrood, as the polls have shown little taste for another referendum. Doesn't make sense - if we are still in the EU we would be part of the negotiating body, if we are not, we would be free to make our own arrangements - you can't have both the negative possibilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Doesn't make sense - if we are still in the EU we would be part of the negotiating body, if we are not, we would be free to make our own arrangements - you can't have both the negative possibilities Scotland won't be in the EU. Once Independent it will have to wait years to join from the back of the queue. It would need to meet all criteria for membership and can't do that until it has an independent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Anyone know what the SNP policy was to have a Great Repeal Bill to get us out of the UK and long it would take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 https://www.facebook.com/ScottishUDI/videos/1421716637892549/ Interesting when you hear stuff like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Scotland won't be in the EU. Once Independent it will have to wait years to join from the back of the queue. It would need to meet all criteria for membership and can't do that until it has an independent history. Aaaaaaaaaannnnd......unlucky! From the guy who actually wrote Article 50. Another massive swing and a miss, again. Trapper John epic. https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/the-man-who-wrote-article-50-says-its-balls-to-say-scotland?utm_term=.tkzG4B1gKb&ref=mobile_share#.bfvR1OQrmx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Scotland won't be in the EU. Once Independent it will have to wait years to join from the back of the queue. It would need to meet all criteria for membership and can't do that until it has an independent history. So it would be free to negotiate its own trade agreements, which was my point - either it can join the EU and be part of their negotiation with the remnant of the UK, or it can negotiate directly with the remnant of the UK. I wasn't saying wither of these are good or bad, just pointing out it is illogical to say we could do neither should we become independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Aaaaaaaaaannnnd......unlucky! From the guy who actually wrote Article 50. Another massive swing and a miss, again. Trapper John epic. https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/the-man-who-wrote-article-50-says-its-balls-to-say-scotland?utm_term=.tkzG4B1gKb&ref=mobile_share#.bfvR1OQrmx Aye, but define very fast in EU terms.......years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 https://www.facebook.com/ScottishUDI/videos/1421716637892549/ Interesting when you hear stuff like this. Music to the Nats ears but most of it is nonsense. Scotland will be required to take a share of UK debt,the rest is just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Music to the Nats ears but most of it is nonsense. Scotland will be required to take a share of UK debt,the rest is just speculation.Is it nonsense just because it's not what you want to hear? The British government also confirmed that before Indy ref the first time they would be responsible for the debt too. No asset sharing then no debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Aye, but define very fast in EU terms.......years. Just accept that we would be back in fairly fast and stop with aye but no but. I'm getting pretty tired of the utter drivel and lies posted on here by you Yoons trying to muddy the waters. It's actually pretty embarrassing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just accept that we would be back in fairly fast and stop with aye but no but. I'm getting pretty tired of the utter drivel and lies posted on here by you Yoons trying to muddy the waters. It's actually pretty embarrassing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Care to comment on the awkward Freedom of movement info posted by Curtice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Is it nonsense just because it's not what you want to hear? The British government also confirmed that before Indy ref the first time they would be responsible for the debt too. No asset sharing then no debt. Aye but think the debt will be more than the asset value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just accept that we would be back in fairly fast and stop with aye but no but. I'm getting pretty tired of the utter drivel and lies posted on here by you Yoons trying to muddy the waters. It's actually pretty embarrassing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro There cannot be any exploratory talks with the EU unless and until Scotland is an independent country. Spain would make sure of that So there will be a time ( if independence was voted for ) when Scotland would be out of the UK and not yet a member of the EU. Budgets would have to be agreed, borders erected with England, Currency, new laws etc .........YEARS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just accept that we would be back in fairly fast and stop with aye but no but. I'm getting pretty tired of the utter drivel and lies posted on here by you Yoons trying to muddy the waters. It's actually pretty embarrassing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Who's posting lies? People are, like you and the article linked, merely expressing there opinion. Until such time as the EU confirm that an independent Scotland can join the EU very quickly then the subject shall be open for debate. I note this particular Lords opinion and shall watch with interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 There cannot be any exploratory talks with the EU unless and until Scotland is an independent country. Spain would make sure of that So there will be a time ( if independence was voted for ) when Scotland would be out of the UK and not yet a member of the EU. Budgets would have to be agreed, borders erected with England, Currency, new laws etc .........YEARS!! Putting things in CAPS LOCK doesn't make your point true Tory Boy. I bet you there are talks going on behind the scenes with the Scottish Government and the EU right now about any future membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Poor wee Nic having to work overtime :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Putting things in CAPS LOCK doesn't make your point true Tory Boy. I bet you there are talks going on behind the scenes with the Scottish Government and the EU right now about any future membership. I hope so as SNP will then get locked into the freedom of movement requirement. Then they will get hammered back home. I guess the Curtice data is more lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Poor wee Nic having to work overtime :-/ Is anyone actually running the country while this arsehole sits about manufacturing grievance? It's becoming laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogemz Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Is anyone actually running the country while this arsehole sits about manufacturing grievance? It's becoming laughable. Shoes off, feet up. Looks like she's doodling in the latest sudoku mag to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I hope so as SNP will then get locked into the freedom of movement requirement. Then they will get hammered back home. I guess the Curtice data is more lies? Never read the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Is anyone actually running the country while this arsehole sits about manufacturing grievance? It's becoming laughable. She looks awfy relaxed [emoji41] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Never read the article There's a surprise. For your info it sinks Nicolas EU aspirations. Freedom of movement is nowhere near a popular as she would like. Yes another example of the SNP drifting away from popular consensus. It will catch up with her. Tick-tock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 She looks awfy relaxed [emoji41] Resigned to the fact she's misjudged this one, and is out of step with public opinion, more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Notice any similarities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 There's a surprise. For your info it sinks Nicolas EU aspirations. Freedom of movement is nowhere near a popular as she would like. Yes another example of the SNP drifting away from popular consensus. It will catch up with her. Tick-tock Link to article please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Resigned to the fact she's misjudged this one, and is out of step with public opinion, more like. TM doesn't seem to share these views of yours or she would've said go ahead right now eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 TM doesn't seem to share these views of yours or she would've said go ahead right now eh? No, she wouldn't. She's looking after Scotland's best interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Link to article please. Already provided but anyway go to whatscotlandthinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 No, she wouldn't. She's looking after Scotland's best interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Already provided but anyway go to whatscotlandthinks What Scotland thinks will change drastically in the next few years, a catastrophe of a Brexit and oil back up to $70 ish a barrel. You heard it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 We invented the Bank as you know it today, the BOE was for funding warmongering! We? No a Scotsman founded the Bank of England. Because a Scotsman founded it doesn't make it Scotland's. What is this, rules of the play ground? Do we get Canada too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Aaaaaaaaaannnnd......unlucky! From the guy who actually wrote Article 50. Another massive swing and a miss, again. Trapper John epic. https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/the-man-who-wrote-article-50-says-its-balls-to-say-scotland?utm_term=.tkzG4B1gKb&ref=mobile_share#.bfvR1OQrmx The article is the opinion of someone who has no say on the matter. The reality is the Spanish will veto any attempt by Scotland to negotiate while part of the UK. Scotland would then have to prove they meet the criteria for entry and that means years of audited financial history as an independent state. That looks dodgy at best if the SNP are betting on Oil to bankroll the economy. The earliest Scotland could enter would be sometime after 2025 if they had everything in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 the uk will still have its own money. it will still have its financial sector. it will still be in control of its economy. --------------------------------- independent Scotland we will use English money we will let the EU run everything else Really? Come on that's fooling nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 What Scotland thinks will change drastically in the next few years, a catastrophe of a Brexit and oil back up to $70 ish a barrel. You heard it here first. So back to the point in question. Is Curtice talking Bolx or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 We? No a Scotsman founded the Bank of England. Because a Scotsman founded it doesn't make it Scotland's. What is this, rules of the play ground? Do we get Canada too? Factual information, it's you that's turning this into playground politics well not just you! Both sides are preaching to the converted. The way for a settled once & for all settlement is to fully federalise the country stops the blame game in its tracks the yoons still have their yoon. I know this as do you & TM does as well. It suits Tory England for Scotland to vote SNP gives them a clear run at power. Remember this the next time you hear roof Saying country / families divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 So back to the point in question. Is Curtice talking Bolx or not? I've still not read the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I've still not read the article Not going to educate yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think we are all getting a bit ahead of ourselves. Give it a year and see what's happening then regards brexit and how it is shaping up and then see. At the moment there is a lot of posturing and bravado, from all sides. Once the reality dawns, minds may change, again, from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Not going to educate yourself? The only truth to be found is in The National. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think we are all getting a bit ahead of ourselves. Give it a year and see what's happening then regards brexit and how it is shaping up and then see. At the moment there is a lot of posturing and bravado, from all sides. Once the reality dawns, minds may change, again, from all sides. I doubt the independence movement will disappear come what may. It's here to stay now. It's inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I doubt the independence movement will disappear come what may. It's here to stay now. It's inevitable. Plenty of it were in evidence outside Holyrood the other night. They were outnumbered by dog-walkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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