More Tory lies

[Victorian]

It's reasonable of the unionist cause to say that there isn't sufficient appetite for another referendum.  The ongoing polling suggests there's no clear will.  The acid test will be if and when polling evidence indicates a consistent support in the area of 55% or so.  

 

What will the bullshit excuse be then?

[joondalupjambo]

20 minutes ago, Boab said:

Since this thread is about Tory lies, I agree completely on your last paragraph. If there was no appetite for it, as they claim, the Nats wouldn't have been returned as the SG with that policy as their flagship and expressed so in their manifesto.

They had the biggest liar in UK political history until recently and are on the verge of replacing him with the biggest idiot. 

I don't believe a word of their claptrap.

It is interesting Boab how many lies the Tory party will throw around now.  At first it seemed daft but now of course it looks and feels a deliberate tactic.  They know the media, in the main are on their side so that can say anything and it will be printed or reported.  The result is confusion, chaos and people becoming more and more dissatisfied if it is aimed at them.  I do not understand the need to change politics to this unless of course they know they just cannot deliver on policy.

 

On your point about voting SNP knowing Indy 2 was in the manifesto we all know a good chunk of voters neither know about, can spell the word or have read the manifesto.  The voting choice up here is limited to probably the one party who are placed best to look after Scotland's interests.  The others are all branch offices or for what people see as a young team's party (The Greens).  I think the SNP were a shoe in at the last election and they took their opportunity to include Indy 2.  Good tactic.

 

Ah well I am still hurting from the Free by 93 slogan, am getting older by the day and am now having to suffer lie after lie coming out of the mouths of tin pot pollies down south who are so useless it makes you wonder where it will all end.  One day, one day we might be bold enough though.  I am doubting though that I will be around to see it.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Was in 3 minds about which thread to put this article so opted for this one as this seems to be about the Tories and the race to the leader 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/03/lgbtq-tories-fear-their-rights-are-being-weaponised-in-leadership-contest?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0FGGDpDG2UVd3q3-NX1QxUFWByT-jZy7hHjnuOpXa-LDG7p5mEXO8zQuU&fs=e&s=cl#Echobox=1659509562

[Boab]

2 hours ago, joondalupjambo said:

It is interesting Boab how many lies the Tory party will throw around now.  At first it seemed daft but now of course it looks and feels a deliberate tactic.  They know the media, in the main are on their side so that can say anything and it will be printed or reported.  The result is confusion, chaos and people becoming more and more dissatisfied if it is aimed at them.  I do not understand the need to change politics to this unless of course they know they just cannot deliver on policy.

 

On your point about voting SNP knowing Indy 2 was in the manifesto we all know a good chunk of voters neither know about, can spell the word or have read the manifesto.  The voting choice up here is limited to probably the one party who are placed best to look after Scotland's interests.  The others are all branch offices or for what people see as a young team's party (The Greens).  I think the SNP were a shoe in at the last election and they took their opportunity to include Indy 2.  Good tactic.

 

Ah well I am still hurting from the Free by 93 slogan, am getting older by the day and am now having to suffer lie after lie coming out of the mouths of tin pot pollies down south who are so useless it makes you wonder where it will all end.  One day, one day we might be bold enough though.  I am doubting though that I will be around to see it.

 

 

If I'm being honest, I don't think I'll see it either. I've seen a rather nasty Tory party in the past but this one is brazen in it's dismissal of even law !

If the Scottish electorate don't want to separate themselves from this cabel of criminals now, they never will.

The media are vital to this of course and they are, literally, in their pockets.

I never thought I'd see the day when some wards, who were Labour strongholds, voted Tory, with the mango Mussolini in charge into the bargain !

They can basically do as they please now. The only glimmer of light is people preparing to strike to better their lot, regardless of an insipid opposition. 

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Boab

[The Mighty Thor]

Another weekly dose of Tory cun*ery laid bare

 

 

[Roxy Hearts]

On 02/08/2022 at 21:33, Japan Jambo said:

 

Would depend if it was Corbyn Labour or Starmer Labour. Run to the left of the SNP and might give them a run.

Nothing for me as ex Labour. Hate them more than the Tories! 

[hughesie27]

Her wee smirking face when she gets any applause or seeks approval after she's brought up a policy grinds my gears.

[The Mighty Thor]

Some deranged bird on LBC from Conservative Post (Claire Bullivant I think) saying that Bunter was brilliant as PM and the Trade Deals agreed with the likes of Aruba are delivering real growth.

 

Bunter apparently was stolen from his people by a coup.

 

These people walk amongst us. 

[Jeffros Furios]

7 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Some deranged bird on LBC from Conservative Post (Claire Bullivant I think) saying that Bunter was brilliant as PM and the Trade Deals agreed with the likes of Aruba are delivering real growth.

 

Bunter apparently was stolen from his people by a coup.

 

These people walk amongst us. 

It's the Trump disease .. the cult of Boris and the new Conservative and sexual deviants party .

Utter filth .

[The Mighty Thor]

Javid at it as well.

 

He's out supporting Truss and saying that Sunak's policies won't stimulate growth.

 

He then cites that growth in the the last decade is half of what it was in the decade before the financial crash. 

 

Aye mate that's because you lot of charlatans weren't in power in the decade up to the financial crash. 

[Boab]

10 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Javid at it as well.

 

He's out supporting Truss and saying that Sunak's policies won't stimulate growth.

 

He then cites that growth in the the last decade is half of what it was in the decade before the financial crash. 

 

Aye mate that's because you lot of charlatans weren't in power in the decade up to the financial crash. 

Those daft debates really did expose them. Criticising each other on polices they were championing before the rice pudding in a suit was punted.

 

[Victorian]

It's brutal but the nodding dogs lap it up.  Policy soundbites with zero substance.  Hurrah hurrah.  

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Some deranged bird on LBC from Conservative Post (Claire Bullivant I think) saying that Bunter was brilliant as PM and the Trade Deals agreed with the likes of Aruba are delivering real growth.

 

Bunter apparently was stolen from his people by a coup.

 

These people walk amongst us. 

The village idiots on here defend this scum.

[Unknown user]

5 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

Her wee smirking face when she gets any applause or seeks approval after she's brought up a policy grinds my gears.

I honestly can't bear to watch her, I don't think my skeleton could take a cringe on that scale

[Unknown user]

13 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Nothing for me as ex Labour. Hate them more than the Tories! 

 

People don't understand how dead Labour are. They're like Metallica, people used to believe, people loved them, they represented the disenfranchised greasy teens, they were anti establishment, they were the same as us.

 

Then, the betrayal, the black album, holding hands with Them.

[manaliveits105]

Oooooh the Truss years could be enjoyable on here as Liz makes Britain great again 

somebody better oil the seetheometer 

[Unknown user]

5 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

The village idiots on here defend this scum.

Indeed

[Taffin]

On 01/08/2022 at 13:34, Nucky Thompson said:

Inheritance tax does need to be looked at and it's not just the wealthy that's effected by it.

 

Normal people work all their lives paying into the system and then when they die the government take 40% of what's left over.

 

If you own an average property in Edinburgh, that's probably enough to take you over the threshold when you die 

 

 

 

But you're dead?!? 😂😂

 

Whoever gets it hasn't worked hard for it, they've just existed.

 

 

Edit: clicked on the wrong thread and didn't realise I was commenting on an old post. Apologies 

Edited August 4, 2022 by Taffin

[dobmisterdobster]

Inheritance Tax is theft.

Anthony Wedgewood Benn agreed with me.

[Victorian]

7 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

Inheritance Tax is theft.

Anthony Wedgewood Benn agreed with me.

 

 

It's a small measure in the tax portfolio and part & parcel of a 'fair' spectrum of taxation.  It represents deferred payment of tax on accumulated wealth.

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Oooooh the Truss years could be enjoyable on here as Liz makes Britain great again 

somebody better oil the seetheometer 

 

And I defend the right of Liz Truss to use an expensive (more expensive than Rishi Sunak's suits) private helicopter to travel between events. 

 

Shows she's focused on the right policies. Though she might be forced to nationalise the railways to prevent the 20% fare rises due to inflation figures. 

Edited August 4, 2022 by Mikey1874

[Unknown user]

22 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

And I defend the right of Liz Truss to use an expensive (more expensive than Rishi Sunak's suits) private helicopter to travel between events. 

 

Shows she's focused on the right policies. Though she might be forced to nationalise the railways to prevent the 20% fare rises due to inflation figures. 

 

this is ****ing mental, we're talking about private helicopters and millionaires suits while the nation gets driven off a cliff.

[Spitonastranger]

3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Oooooh the Truss years could be enjoyable on here as Liz makes Britain great again 

somebody better oil the seetheometer 

Is that all you have got 😂 numbskull 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

And I defend the right of Liz Truss to use an expensive (more expensive than Rishi Sunak's suits) private helicopter to travel between events. 

 

Shows she's focused on the right policies. Though she might be forced to nationalise the railways to prevent the 20% fare rises due to inflation figures. 

Thick Lizzy is more than happy to use private air transport on someone else's dime. 

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Thick Lizzy is more than happy to use private air transport on someone else's dime. 

 

Its something like £300,000 campaign spending limit they have.

 

Enough for a few helicopters.

[Boab]

10 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Thick Lizzy is more than happy to use private air transport on someone else's dime. 

Would probably be a trial to get through a barrier at a train station and open the train doors.

IF she found the door !

[The Old Tolbooth]

4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Oooooh the Truss years could be enjoyable on here as Liz makes Britain great again 

somebody better oil the seetheometer 

 

7 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

The village idiots on here defend this scum.

 

Bang on mate 

[Victorian]

Fairytales for the imbeciles and deluded and the ideologically deranged about economic growth from fiscal policy and exploiting them Brexit opportunities.

 

The grown ups are saying 5 quarters of recession,  13%+ inflation,  compounding inflation,  7%+ interest rates.  

 

Just wait until you see the destitution and resultant crime figures.

[dobmisterdobster]

9 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Some deranged bird on LBC from Conservative Post (Claire Bullivant I think) saying that Bunter was brilliant as PM and the Trade Deals agreed with the likes of Aruba are delivering real growth.

 

Bunter apparently was stolen from his people by a coup.

 

These people walk amongst us. 

 

Isn't Aruba a Dutch overseas department?

[hughesie27]

Just ignore him. Quite simple.

[Footballfirst]

Be very afraid of what the Tories do next, regardless of who becomes PM.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

37 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Be very afraid of what the Tories do next, regardless of who becomes PM.

 

 

Should not come as a surprise to anyone.

 

That's the grift. Convert public money into private wealth. 

[Dazo]

48 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Be very afraid of what the Tories do next, regardless of who becomes PM.

 

 

Without any detail nothing wrong with that on the face off it. Why should any place miss out on public money their taxes have raised. It’s always the middle guys that have to foot the bill for everyone else. 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Without any detail nothing wrong with that on the face off it. Why should any place miss out on public money their taxes have raised. It’s always the middle guys that have to foot the bill for everyone else. 

The government's central policy of 'levelling up'?

 

Mind they've been banging on about it for the last 3 years and about getting it done and delivering it.

 

Meanwhile the tax dodging billionaire is unwinding it the whole time 😂

 

 

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The government's central policy of 'levelling up'?

 

Mind they've been banging on about it for the last 3 years and about getting it done and delivering it.

 

Meanwhile the tax dodging billionaire is unwinding it the whole time 😂

 

 

You mean levelling up wasn’t buzzwords and people actually believed it ?  It’s been happening forever anyway, deprived areas getting more money. Meanwhile average Joe shouldn’t expect anything. 

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, Dazo said:

You mean levelling up wasn’t buzzwords and people actually believed it ?  It’s been happening forever anyway, deprived areas getting more money. Meanwhile average Joe shouldn’t expect anything. 

No it's the current government's core policy. 

 

Do you routinely vote for people you know are lying to you?

[Victorian]

The immorality of the junta is plain to see but the immorality of it's more comfortable supporters and their happy acceptance of / insistence for financial support is quite hideous.  

 

These are about to be extraordinary times.  Every single pound has to be directed to the very worse off.  The difference it makes for them is very,  very different to the difference it makes to anyone who has the ability to economise in their own budgets.  It's that stark.  It requires radical action.

 

As a society we can't accept direct support going where it isn't needed.  Some people need to re-evaluate their understanding of the word 'needed'.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The immorality of the junta is plain to see but the immorality of it's more comfortable supporters and their happy acceptance of / insistence for financial support is quite hideous.  

 

These are about to be extraordinary times.  Every single pound has to be directed to the very worse off.  The difference it makes for them is very,  very different to the difference it makes to anyone who has the ability to economise in their own budgets.  It's that stark.  It requires radical action.

 

As a society we can't accept direct support going where it isn't needed.  Some people need to re-evaluate their understanding of the word 'needed'.  

Hey that’s “ commie “ talk ! 
 

( I agree with it completely though ) 

[Victorian]

8 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Hey that’s “ commie “ talk ! 
 

( I agree with it completely though ) 

 

That's the thing James.  It might well be socialist in nature in more normal times,  which I would accept.  But this is very likely to become so nasty that it requires non-conventional ideology.  The solutions are there and ready to put into action.  The will is not.  Labour can't even propose the sort of action that would get the job done.  Both sides are handcuffed by the requirement to attract votes.

[Dazo]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

No it's the current government's core policy. 

 

Do you routinely vote for people you know are lying to you?

Yes, just like you. News flash Thor, they are all liars. I tend not to sit in the edge of my seat waiting for the next headline policy. 

[The Mighty Thor]

12 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Yes, just like you. News flash Thor, they are all liars. I tend not to sit in the edge of my seat waiting for the next headline policy. 

What?

 

It's OK mate. You mugged yourself by voting for them. Its no big deal as some folk are more susceptible to liars and con men. 

 

We're here for you. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

44 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

That's the thing James.  It might well be socialist in nature in more normal times,  which I would accept.  But this is very likely to become so nasty that it requires non-conventional ideology.  The solutions are there and ready to put into action.  The will is not.  Labour can't even propose the sort of action that would get the job done.  Both sides are handcuffed by the requirement to attract votes.

Yep . Both main parties too afraid to offer a radical alternative . One of them , the .Tories due to ideological reasons . Labour due to how it might impact on voting . I read that when utility companies charge us our monthly direct debits for energy we haven’t even used yet ,  but are  then are scamming the interest of that money so are laughing all the way to the bank. Something about that needs changed . As well as many other things which could help those in dire straights 

[Taffin]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

The immorality of the junta is plain to see but the immorality of it's more comfortable supporters and their happy acceptance of / insistence for financial support is quite hideous.  

 

These are about to be extraordinary times.  Every single pound has to be directed to the very worse off.  The difference it makes for them is very,  very different to the difference it makes to anyone who has the ability to economise in their own budgets.  It's that stark.  It requires radical action.

 

As a society we can't accept direct support going where it isn't needed.  Some people need to re-evaluate their understanding of the word 'needed'.  

 

Society can accept whatever it chooses to. 

 

You (or I for that matter in this sort of area) may not like it, but we don't speak for society. It's speaks for itself, at the polls...and it chooses to be ran by those who won't prioritise spending where it's needed.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Society can accept whatever it chooses to. 

 

You (or I for that matter in this sort of area) may not like it, but we don't speak for society. It's speaks for itself, at the polls...and it chooses to be ran by those who won't prioritise spending where it's needed.

 

As I’ve said before there seems to be enough people in the uk or England not feeling the economic pinch so not bothered about others who are . “ mine myself “ philosophy and just hope they don’t fall on hard times . The thing is they might . 

[Taffin]

7 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

As I’ve said before there seems to be enough people in the uk or England not feeling the economic pinch so not bothered about others who are . “ mine myself “ philosophy and just hope they don’t fall on hard times . The thing is they might . 

 

Or lots of people just to stupid to realise that what they're voting for also hampers them as well as the supposed 'work shy poor'.

Edited August 5, 2022 by Taffin

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Or lots of people just to stupid to realise that what their voting for also hampers them as well as the supposed 'work shy poor'.

Yes that too . 

[Taffin]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

Yes that too . 

 

Lovely irony of my misuse of 'their' in that post too 😂

 

Who's too stupid now, Taffin?!? 😭

[Cade]

The British electorate is in love with the idea of punching downwards.

As if grinding down those lower on the social scale somehow elevates you.

Of course, the irony is that they forget that those above them are also punching down on them, lowering their standing.

It's a vicious circle.

Everyone is punching downwards on those below them and collectively it becomes a race to the bottom that benefits nobody.

All it does is destroy the infrastructure of society.

And the morons lap it up.

"never mind that guy above you stomping on you, just stomp harder on that feckin loser below you and everything will be fine"

 

[A Boy Named Crow]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Lovely irony of my misuse of 'their' in that post too 😂

 

Who's too stupid now, Taffin?!? 😭

The vote belongs to the person voting, it is their action in voting for the Tories. @Taffin survives this visit from the grammar police I reckon. 

 

EDIT: Shit, you denounced yourself! 🤠

Edited August 5, 2022 by A Boy Named Crow

[I P Knightley]

3 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Be very afraid of what the Tories do next, regardless of who becomes PM.

 

 

Everything about that short clip is wrong. I don't know if you've ever been to Tunbridge Wells but you'd struggle to find a more comfortable, affluent area anywhere in the Tory heartland. I had to laugh at all the poor gammons sitting there in the shade of the tree; heaven help us if one of them were to get a tan.

 

Whatever Truss and Sunak say over these weeks of campaigning has to be taken with a pinch of salt (I hope!). They're pitching for votes from a very small number of people who love to hear that they'll be looked after and will not question any of the lies spouted at them. I doubt these husting will change many minds, not even Truss's abysmal performance (which was about as good as it gets with her) on Sky last night.