More Tory lies

[Cade]

A Quiet Place 2

 

That feckin kid, man

[The Mighty Thor]

Johnson interviewed on LBC this morning by that fat Tory fan boi Nick Ferrari, displaying once again a staggering lack of understanding of pretty much everything whilst waffling out the same bullshit 'facts and figures' that even Andrew Marr was able to dismantle on Sunday. 

 

No scrutiny of this mob. 

[Jeffros Furios]

Some Tory slavering that GSTQ should be sung at the end of the party conference 

 

Aye like that matters a **** to anyone 

 

I really hate politicians. 

[SectionDJambo]

23 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Johnson interviewed on LBC this morning by that fat Tory fan boi Nick Ferrari, displaying once again a staggering lack of understanding of pretty much everything whilst waffling out the same bullshit 'facts and figures' that even Andrew Marr was able to dismantle on Sunday. 

 

No scrutiny of this mob. 

The trouble is that too many of the the UK electorate know that he's telling lies, know that he's a liar and that the Conservatives have promoted corruption on a grand scale, especially during Covid. However, there is not an opposition party that the same electorate trust to be any better, so they will generally stick with the devil they know.

The traditional main opposition to the Conservatives, Labour, can't seem to get it into their heads that they need to realise that the political demographic of the UK has changed since the 1970s. Not nearly enough people want a government of the old left wing ideology anymore. Much of the old industry and home circumstance has changed to many people owning their own homes and having jobs which don't involve going into a huge factory or down a hole in the ground.

Corbyn, and his believers, were soundly rejected last time. We keep being told by his supporters that it was all down to the press demonizing him, without any appreciation of how easy he made it for them. He was a disaster for the Labour party. 

The Labour party membership, in my opinion, need to understand that until they capture the centre ground, and instal confidence in the electorate that they are serious about being a centre/left party, they are subjecting the very people that they claim to want to help, to an even longer period of Conservative domination. Like him or loathe him, Tony Blair got the Conservatives out, after a long period in power, and kept them out. He didn't do that by being seen as ultra left wing. He did it by grabbing the centre ground and thereby putting himself in a position to help the traditional Labour voter, without alienating the majority of the rest of the electorate.

[Psychedelicropcircle]

Apparently businesses are drunk on cheap labour….says the tories who offered nurses a 1% rise🤙

[Cade]

So when can e expect the Government to adopt a £15/h minimum wage?

 

After as, Brexit is now being marketed as the transformation of the UK to a high wage economy, so surely the min wage will be shooting up.

 

Watch this space.

[Konrad von Carstein]

Bahsterds.

 

 

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, Psychedelicropcircle said:

Apparently businesses are drunk on cheap labour….says the tories who offered nurses a 1% rise🤙

I’m loving this new “high wage, high skill economy” garbage from the Tories. The same Tories that imposed effectively a 10-year pay freeze on NHS employees, along with project Austerity.

[Cade]

"Wot you moanin' for? This is naffink to do wiv us, guv!"

 

- The Government

[WorldChampions1902]

10 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

The trouble is that too many of the the UK electorate know that he's telling lies, know that he's a liar and that the Conservatives have promoted corruption on a grand scale, especially during Covid. However, there is not an opposition party that the same electorate trust to be any better, so they will generally stick with the devil they know.

The traditional main opposition to the Conservatives, Labour, can't seem to get it into their heads that they need to realise that the political demographic of the UK has changed since the 1970s. Not nearly enough people want a government of the old left wing ideology anymore. Much of the old industry and home circumstance has changed to many people owning their own homes and having jobs which don't involve going into a huge factory or down a hole in the ground.

Corbyn, and his believers, were soundly rejected last time. We keep being told by his supporters that it was all down to the press demonizing him, without any appreciation of how easy he made it for them. He was a disaster for the Labour party. 

The Labour party membership, in my opinion, need to understand that until they capture the centre ground, and instal confidence in the electorate that they are serious about being a centre/left party, they are subjecting the very people that they claim to want to help, to an even longer period of Conservative domination. Like him or loathe him, Tony Blair got the Conservatives out, after a long period in power, and kept them out. He didn't do that by being seen as ultra left wing. He did it by grabbing the centre ground and thereby putting himself in a position to help the traditional Labour voter, without alienating the majority of the rest of the electorate.

Far too sensible a post for this thread. 👍

[Gizmo]

29 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Bahsterds.

 

 

I'll recall his wise words when old Bert next door is doling out the flu jags with a homemade tincture of tcp, paraffin, hedgehog venom and syrup of figs before Granny McPhee borrows my reciprocating saw and fashions the guy in the corner a new knee made out of lego.

Neighbourhood Health Service, it's the future. 

 

[dobmisterdobster]

11 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

The trouble is that too many of the the UK electorate know that he's telling lies, know that he's a liar and that the Conservatives have promoted corruption on a grand scale, especially during Covid. However, there is not an opposition party that the same electorate trust to be any better, so they will generally stick with the devil they know.

The traditional main opposition to the Conservatives, Labour, can't seem to get it into their heads that they need to realise that the political demographic of the UK has changed since the 1970s. Not nearly enough people want a government of the old left wing ideology anymore. Much of the old industry and home circumstance has changed to many people owning their own homes and having jobs which don't involve going into a huge factory or down a hole in the ground.

Corbyn, and his believers, were soundly rejected last time. We keep being told by his supporters that it was all down to the press demonizing him, without any appreciation of how easy he made it for them. He was a disaster for the Labour party. 

The Labour party membership, in my opinion, need to understand that until they capture the centre ground, and instal confidence in the electorate that they are serious about being a centre/left party, they are subjecting the very people that they claim to want to help, to an even longer period of Conservative domination. Like him or loathe him, Tony Blair got the Conservatives out, after a long period in power, and kept them out. He didn't do that by being seen as ultra left wing. He did it by grabbing the centre ground and thereby putting himself in a position to help the traditional Labour voter, without alienating the majority of the rest of the electorate.

 

The problem is with the Labour membership. Their conference was dominated by hobby horse issues instead of things that ordinary people care about.

 

I have voted Labour before and I am open to voting for them again. But they have to disinfect the party of Corbyn influence. I don't envy Kier Starmer's job.

[A Boy Named Crow]

2 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Bahsterds.

 

 

You would have to be a truly awful human being to vote Tory at the best of times, but to do so now,  with these roasters running the show, voting Tory should really be considered a personality disorder!

[The Real Maroonblood]

10 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

You would have to be a truly awful human being to vote Tory at the best of times, but to do so now,  with these roasters running the show, voting Tory should really be considered a personality disorder!

[Ray Gin]

1 hour ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

You would have to be a truly awful human being to vote Tory at the best of times, but to do so now,  with these roasters running the show, voting Tory should really be considered a personality disorder!

 

[Unknown user]

10 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

You would have to be a truly awful human being to vote Tory at the best of times, but to do so now,  with these roasters running the show, voting Tory should really be considered a personality disorder!

 

I don't agree with the first bit, it's all about perspective.

For someone who's financially doing well conservatism is perfectly understandable IMO

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Bahsterds.

 

 

Is he on drugs ? Self prescribed obviously 

[Spitonastranger]

11 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

You would have to be a truly awful human being to vote Tory at the best of times, but to do so now,  with these roasters running the show, voting Tory should really be considered a personality disorder!

[jambogaza]

Today, the Tories have chosen to remove money from some of the poorest families in the country, at a time when the costs of living are soaring. It is despicable and morally repugnant. The UK is one of the richest states in the world. It is intolerable that many people, including children, will face a choice between being warm or having food. I hate the Tories - I am ideologically opposed to them in almost all ways. But this is another level. 

[A Boy Named Crow]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

I don't agree with the first bit, it's all about perspective.

For someone who's financially doing well conservatism is perfectly understandable IMO

Dunno about that.  Just because somebody is doing alright for themselves,  it doesn't necessarily follow that they want to shite on those less fortunate than them.  

[jambogaza]

11 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Dunno about that.  Just because somebody is doing alright for themselves,  it doesn't necessarily follow that they want to shite on those less fortunate than them.  

 

Agreed. It is about values, as well as wealth.

[Unknown user]

13 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Dunno about that.  Just because somebody is doing alright for themselves,  it doesn't necessarily follow that they want to shite on those less fortunate than them.  

 

Putting you and yours first is understandable, we all do it to one extent or another

[A Boy Named Crow]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Putting you and yours first is understandable, we all do it to one extent or another

Some might say that an equitable society ultimately benefits everybody. 

 

Never going to find out if we've got the Tories in charge though...

[Unknown user]

Just now, A Boy Named Crow said:

Some might say that an equitable society ultimately benefits everybody. 

 

Never going to find out if we've got the Tories in charge though...

 

Indeed, myself included.

I'm just saying that perfectly good, intelligent people have reason to vote Tory (normally, not this shower of course) it doesn't make them bad people.

[leginten]

Dominic Raab at the Tory conference: “Misogyny is absolutely wrong, whether it’s a man against a woman or a woman against a man.”

 

Yes, that Dominic Raab. Deputy Prime Minister of the UK.

[A Boy Named Crow]

5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Indeed, myself included.

I'm just saying that perfectly good, intelligent people have reason to vote Tory (normally, not this shower of course) it doesn't make them bad people.

That's debatable,  but it's a debate best had in the pub, over a few pints. 😉

Edited October 6, 2021 by A Boy Named Crow

[The Mighty Thor]

29 minutes ago, leginten said:

Dominic Raab at the Tory conference: “Misogyny is absolutely wrong, whether it’s a man against a woman or a woman against a man.”

 

Yes, that Dominic Raab. Deputy Prime Minister of the UK.

He went to Oxford.

 

I'm sure someone must have explained misogyny to him.

Probably the same people that explained the importance of the channel routes to import/export

[Don Dan]

Watching BOJO doing stand up comedy routine in front of the Tory faithful. He is definitely in the wrong job. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

On 05/10/2021 at 09:31, SectionDJambo said:

The trouble is that too many of the the UK electorate know that he's telling lies, know that he's a liar and that the Conservatives have promoted corruption on a grand scale, especially during Covid. However, there is not an opposition party that the same electorate trust to be any better, so they will generally stick with the devil they know.

The traditional main opposition to the Conservatives, Labour, can't seem to get it into their heads that they need to realise that the political demographic of the UK has changed since the 1970s. Not nearly enough people want a government of the old left wing ideology anymore. Much of the old industry and home circumstance has changed to many people owning their own homes and having jobs which don't involve going into a huge factory or down a hole in the ground.

Corbyn, and his believers, were soundly rejected last time. We keep being told by his supporters that it was all down to the press demonizing him, without any appreciation of how easy he made it for them. He was a disaster for the Labour party. 

The Labour party membership, in my opinion, need to understand that until they capture the centre ground, and instal confidence in the electorate that they are serious about being a centre/left party, they are subjecting the very people that they claim to want to help, to an even longer period of Conservative domination. Like him or loathe him, Tony Blair got the Conservatives out, after a long period in power, and kept them out. He didn't do that by being seen as ultra left wing. He did it by grabbing the centre ground and thereby putting himself in a position to help the traditional Labour voter, without alienating the majority of the rest of the electorate.

 

Pretty much totally nails it.

 

 

[Savage Vince]

1 hour ago, leginten said:

Dominic Raab at the Tory conference: “Misogyny is absolutely wrong, whether it’s a man against a woman or a woman against a man.”

 

Yes, that Dominic Raab. Deputy Prime Minister of the UK.

 

I'm convinced these 'mistakes' are intended. 

[Cade]

AS usual, BoJo The Clown is just making shit up on the fly.

 

A complete pathological liar.

[manaliveits105]

Keep up the good fight comrades I’m sure you must be making all the difference 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, leginten said:

Dominic Raab at the Tory conference: “Misogyny is absolutely wrong, whether it’s a man against a woman or a woman against a man.”

 

Yes, that Dominic Raab. Deputy Prime Minister of the UK.

You'd have to be incredibly thick to vote in that human fly catcher.

[jack D and coke]

2 hours ago, leginten said:

Dominic Raab at the Tory conference: “Misogyny is absolutely wrong, whether it’s a man against a woman or a woman against a man.”

 

Yes, that Dominic Raab. Deputy Prime Minister of the UK.

He’s an utter reptile and incredibly stupid into the bargain. 

 

[leginten]

30 minutes ago, Cade said:

AS usual, BoJo The Clown is just making shit up on the fly.

 

A complete pathological liar.

Enough lies in his speech to have fact checkers dying of exhaustion.

 

Three crackers: he’s building 48 hospitals

                           the Tories “saw off” the European Super League

                           Michel Barnier is calling for a referendum on the EU.

Edited October 6, 2021 by leginten

[Governor Tarkin]

[WorldChampions1902]

2 hours ago, leginten said:

Dominic Raab at the Tory conference: “Misogyny is absolutely wrong, whether it’s a man against a woman or a woman against a man.”

 

Yes, that Dominic Raab. Deputy Prime Minister of the UK.

Jesus wept! To think some people paid him for his services as a lawyer. 

[Boab]

8 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

He’s an utter reptile and incredibly stupid into the bargain. 

 

An idiot but, like most of them, a dangerous b*****d !

 

[Victorian]

I think they've completely lost all sense of their direction.  They're supposedly the party of business and commerce but,  as well as already having placed a burden of higher employers' NIC contributions on businesses,  they now insist that business adopts a radical new settlement of higher wages (thus raising NIC contributions even further) and invests heavily in logistics,  plant and improved conditions,  etc.  Lumping all kinds of notional burdens on business in the full knowledge it will never happen in actuality.  Laying the groundwork for being able to avoid a compromise to allow the necessary level of cheap foreign labour that the economy must include to meet gaps in labour supply.  Delegating responsibility.  Abdicating the duties of government.  The only end result is further low levels of wages,  labour shortages,  shortages of goods and services,  rising prices,  under performing tax yield,  underfunded public services,  continued wealth creation and retention by the corporate world who must be pissing themselves laughing at their stooges' sterling performance.

[jack D and coke]

15 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

[Cade]

 

[jack D and coke]

20 minutes ago, Boab said:

An idiot but, like most of them, a dangerous b*****d !

 

Just a horrible feckin reptile. No empathy even for people who are handicapped it’s quite something to listen to for me and his behaviour when people were literally dying in Afghanistan sums up exactly what kind of man this is. 
Filth.

[Cade]

2019: Tories announce £5,000 premium for teachers working in disadvantaged areas.

2020: Tories scrap this plan.

2021: Tories announce £3,000 premium for teachers working in disadvantaged areas.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, Boy Daniel said:

Watching BOJO doing stand up comedy routine in front of the Tory faithful. He is definitely in the wrong job. 

 

2 hours ago, Cade said:

AS usual, BoJo The Clown is just making shit up on the fly.

 

A complete pathological liar.

It was like watching the worst after dinner speaker at a shit corporate event.

 

Devoid of anything of any substance and full of bullshit and bluster.

 

He spoke for a full 45 minutes and said nothing. 

[Tazio]

I believe the current expression is “failing to read the room” 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/06/tory-mp-asks-for-payrise-as-living-on-81k-a-year-can-be-really-grim-15371935/

[Cruyff]

The only good Tory is a dead one. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Cruyff

[WorldChampions1902]

1 hour ago, Tazio said:

I believe the current expression is “failing to read the room” 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/06/tory-mp-asks-for-payrise-as-living-on-81k-a-year-can-be-really-grim-15371935/

Good god! Before anyone comes on here to try and justify this, just don’t.

[WorldChampions1902]

5 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Keep up the good fight comrades I’m sure you must be making all the difference 

 

[Japan Jambo]

On 04/10/2021 at 17:06, WorldChampions1902 said:

Labour seem to be fixated on winning back the Red Wall voters at the expense of p*****g off millions of Re-Joiner Labour-minded voters. The latter massively outnumbers the former. The outcome is depressingly predictable. Let’s hope Gina Miller’s fledgling party gathers momentum.

 

Every day is a school day, hadn't clocked that she'd made moves in that direction!! Wondering whether she'll be relitigating Brexit arguments or just shining a torch more generally on areas she feels need reformed. 

[Japan Jambo]

5 hours ago, Victorian said:

I think they've completely lost all sense of their direction.  They're supposedly the party of business and commerce but,  as well as already having placed a burden of higher employers' NIC contributions on businesses,  they now insist that business adopts a radical new settlement of higher wages (thus raising NIC contributions even further) and invests heavily in logistics,  plant and improved conditions,  etc.  Lumping all kinds of notional burdens on business in the full knowledge it will never happen in actuality.  Laying the groundwork for being able to avoid a compromise to allow the necessary level of cheap foreign labour that the economy must include to meet gaps in labour supply.  Delegating responsibility.  Abdicating the duties of government.  The only end result is further low levels of wages,  labour shortages,  shortages of goods and services,  rising prices,  under performing tax yield,  underfunded public services,  continued wealth creation and retention by the corporate world who must be pissing themselves laughing at their stooges' sterling performance.

 

Suspect actually that far from having lost direction they are consciously pivoting to an anti-woke, hold big business to account offering which polls well with large swathes of the (English?) electorate.