jambo lodge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: You just cannae beat the Daily Express updates and opinions on here You just never answer questions raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: Utter nonsense, the only reason for holding on to some powers initially is to ensure there is joined up policy in agriculture and Fisheries for the whole of the UK......Westminster doing its job. Holyrood seeking more powers in respect of agriculture is a joke when they can even make payments to farmers due to a duff IT system. As for Fisheries the SNP wants to hand back powers to Brussels when they re-join the EU. So, if I've got this right, Westminster agrees the framework, then devolves the power, but then the devolved government can't actually do much with that power, as Westminster has already said what can or can't happen with it. Seems a bit off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Boris said: So, if I've got this right, Westminster agrees the framework, then devolves the power, but then the devolved government can't actually do much with that power, as Westminster has already said what can or can't happen with it. Seems a bit off. As I understand it Westminster agrees an outline framework ( Westminster represented by MP's from all countries) to ensure UK wide best practice for animal health, production etc which is essential for control of infectious disease and welfare standards. Disease does not stop at a border between England and Scotland The devolved administrations agree what subsidies should be given to farmers depending on whether they want to support crofters/ big farmers etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, jambo lodge said: As I understand it Westminster agrees an outline framework ( Westminster represented by MP's from all countries) to ensure UK wide best practice for animal health, production etc which is essential for control of infectious disease and welfare standards. Disease does not stop at a border between England and Scotland The devolved administrations agree what subsidies should be given to farmers depending on whether they want to support crofters/ big farmers etc.. Given the devolved parliaments will be responsible for these powers, shouldn't the devolved Governments be part of that initial framework outlining? Might mean things get ironed out sooner, rather than later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Boris said: Given the devolved parliaments will be responsible for these powers, shouldn't the devolved Governments be part of that initial framework outlining? Might mean things get ironed out sooner, rather than later? Would be interesting to find out for certain if they are. I used to work in this general area and cannot believe that there is no dialogue ongoing with the UK and Scottish scientific institutions that already work closely together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: You just never answer questions raised. Did any of the Devolved nations partake in the Brexit negotiations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo lodge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Did any of the Devolved nations partake in the Brexit negotiations? For sure they were consulted and had every opportunity to put their case forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP sticking up for devolution and more devolved powers, aye ok then Wait till she finds out there’s an entire party dedicated to scrapping devolution. It is the same party that boycotted the Scottish Constitutional Convention; that opposed devolution at the 1997 general election; that voted against setting up the Calman Commission; that allowed Holyrood’s tax powers to lapse; that tried to block the Scotland Act (2012); that agreed to leave powers over pensions at Westminster; and that, even now, asks the Tories to hold onto some welfare powers a bit longer. Full article https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-is-the-snp-trying-to-rewrite-history/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 54 minutes ago, jambo lodge said: For sure they were consulted and had every opportunity to put their case forward. "An equal partner leading the Union" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, Adam Murray said: Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP sticking up for devolution and more devolved powers, aye ok then Wait till she finds out there’s an entire party dedicated to scrapping devolution. It is the same party that boycotted the Scottish Constitutional Convention; that opposed devolution at the 1997 general election; that voted against setting up the Calman Commission; that allowed Holyrood’s tax powers to lapse; that tried to block the Scotland Act (2012); that agreed to leave powers over pensions at Westminster; and that, even now, asks the Tories to hold onto some welfare powers a bit longer. Full article https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-is-the-snp-trying-to-rewrite-history/ Imagine taking the slightest on board from that fat mess of a propagandist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 "BERYL! KICKBACK IS STANDING UP FOR WEE JIMMY KRANKIE AGAIN!!!!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, SpruceBringsteen said: "BERYL! KICKBACK IS STANDING UP FOR WEE JIMMY KRANKIE AGAIN!!!!!!" WEE NIPPY you mean!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, Adam Murray said: Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP sticking up for devolution and more devolved powers, aye ok then Wait till she finds out there’s an entire party dedicated to scrapping devolution. It is the same party that boycotted the Scottish Constitutional Convention; that opposed devolution at the 1997 general election; that voted against setting up the Calman Commission; that allowed Holyrood’s tax powers to lapse; that tried to block the Scotland Act (2012); that agreed to leave powers over pensions at Westminster; and that, even now, asks the Tories to hold onto some welfare powers a bit longer. Full article https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-is-the-snp-trying-to-rewrite-history/ The simple answer: He seems to be a bit confused between the "Here and Now" and the "Ultimate Goal". We do the best for Scotland at all times with the tools afforded us. It's pretty damn hard without the full tool box and it would be near on impossible if what little tools we have are removed. Everyone knows that, even him. So they gie ye a hoose, half fu' o' some o' the nice things ye need tae get oan, no a' ae them mind, jist some. So yer gettin' oan for a few years, getting used tae the things they gied ye, then there's a rap oan the door and it's them, come tae take away a' the maist important ae the nice things they gied ye! And as they disappear into the sunset wi' a' yer gear oan their cairt they turn around, laughing, and shout "Don't worry you can have it back when we've finished with it." And continue laughing all the way to Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 There's no point trying to discuss politics with the cultists, they won't hear a bad word said about their party or their leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: There's no point trying to discuss politics with the cultists, they won't hear a bad word said about their party or their leader. Goan. Have a swipe at the Maybot or Ruth, theyre not exactly setting the heather on fire eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: There's no point trying to discuss politics with the cultists, they won't hear a bad word said about their party or their leader. See all those tools I was going on about, they didn't give us any spanners. The Scottish Tories have a big bag of them though. They don't fit anything in a modern, metric, parliament because they're Westminster spanners, Whitworth and UNC/F, but they are good for chucking in the works. The very being for the "Scottish" Conservative and Unionist Party. Devolution is too much for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, Sraman said: See all those tools I was going on about, they didn't give us any spanners. The Scottish Tories have a big bag of them though. They don't fit anything in a modern, metric, parliament because they're Westminster spanners, Whitworth and UNC/F, but they are good for chucking in the works. The very being for the "Scottish" Conservative and Unionist Party. Devolution is too much for them. What a brilliant post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said: Goan. Have a swipe at the Maybot or Ruth, theyre not exactly setting the heather on fire eh? Right on cue. I like how you assume that, because I despise the SNP and everyone in it, that I must be a Conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: What a brilliant post! The truth is always hidden in plain sight. Should we be worried that the shrouds used to hide the truth are fading faster than sticky backed plastic? Can we handle the truth? Can they handle the truth? Confused? You won't be after tonights episode ......... Tee hee hee, a missing apostrophe. Mwahhahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Right on cue. I like how you assume that, because I despise the SNP and everyone in it, that I must be a Conservative. If you despise the SNP, what else could you be then? Spit it out so we can get wired into your political beliefs, we might start a “Even More” type post about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sraman said: The truth is always hidden in plain sight. Should we be worried that the shrouds used to hide the truth are fading faster than sticky backed plastic? Can we handle the truth? Can they handle the truth? Confused? You won't be after tonights episode ......... Tee hee hee, a missing apostrophe. Mwahhahaha. Indys on 48% and climbing. It’s a total stick on independence is coming, we just have to listen to a bit bleating on here till it comes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said: If you despise the SNP, what else could you be then? Spit it out so we can get wired into your political beliefs, we might start a “Even More” type post about it. Someone who utterly deplores Nationalism in all it's forms. But that doesn't make me a fully paid up member of the Conservative party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Phil Dunphy said: Someone who utterly deplores Nationalism in all it's forms. But that doesn't make me a fully paid up member of the Conservative party. Do you believe in British nationalism? Waiting for you to nail your colours to the mast too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Space Mackerel said: Indys on 48% and climbing. It’s a total stick on independence is coming, we just have to listen to a bit bleating on here till it comes That's why they have the spanners. 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: Someone who utterly deplores Nationalism in all it's forms. But that doesn't make me a fully paid up member of the Conservative party. Internationalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Sraman said: That's why they have the spanners. Internationalism? More spanners though, more it climbs. They’re ****ed either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Do you believe in British nationalism? Waiting for you to nail your colours to the mast too. No, I don't believe in any Nationalism. Consider my colours firmly nailed to the mast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Just now, Phil Dunphy said: No, I don't believe in any Nationalism. Consider my colours firmly nailed to the mast. Nationalism exists all over the world, it’s not a dirty word as you make out. Too scared? Edited May 1, 2018 by Space Mackerel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Nationalism exists all over the world, it’s not a dirty word as you make out. Too scared? Nationalism breeds hatred. That's not my bag. You bash on, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vladimir of Romanov Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Nationalism exists all over the world, it’s not a dirty word as you make out. Too scared? Are you completely incapable of adult discussion? 'too scared' It's no wonder people laugh at you on here, you don't do yourself any favours at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: Nationalism breeds hatred. That's not my bag. You bash on, though. You could argue that this Union causes hatred too, maybe you’re a bit too young for the poll tax, miners strike and the shipyards getting shut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said: More spanners though, more it climbs. They’re ****ed either way. It's the British way, "Plenty more spanners where they come from, keep them going over the top Ruthy. She's a good girl that Ruthy what". I realise how crass that is. But that is the situation we find ourselves in. 2 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Nationalism breeds hatred. That's not my bag. You bash on, though. Internationalism has the opposite effect, yet it falls under your umbrella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Sir Vladimir of Romanov said: Are you completely incapable of adult discussion? 'too scared' It's no wonder people laugh at you on here, you don't do yourself any favours at all. I asked him to name the Political party he supports? Do you have a problem with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sraman said: It's the British way, "Plenty more spanners where they come from, keep them going over the top Ruthy. She's a good girl that Ruthy what". I realise how crass that is. But that is the situation we find ourselves in. Biggest constintutional crisis about to happen over Devolution and hardly a peep on the good ol’ BBC. Weird likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Nationalism exists all over the world, it’s not a dirty word as you make out. Too scared? OED definitions Nationalism - Identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. Many folk don't feel nationalism as a thing as they don't believe or think in the manner of a nationalist. Patriotism - The quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country. More folk feel this and imo confuse the two. I would argue I feel more patriotic as a Scot than nationalistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: You could argue that this Union causes hatred too, maybe you’re a bit too young for the poll tax, miners strike and the shipyards getting shut down. And how much of that happened under a Conservative government? You know? The government I didn't vote for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vladimir of Romanov Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I asked him to name the Political party he supports? Do you have a problem with that? You know fine well what I mean. Your confrontation nonsense on almost every post you make does nothing but harm to your hope for independence. People like you turn others away from supporting independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I asked him to name the Political party he supports? Do you have a problem with that? It's none of your business how I voted in the GE. What I'm telling you is your assertion that I'm a Tory is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Biggest constintutional crisis about to happen over Devolution and hardly a peep on the good ol’ BBC. Weird likes. Because there is no crisis yet. There are still negotiations to come. JMC meets next week to discuss Brexit and the Withdrawal Bill and the Clause 11 amendments are tabled this week. So no crisis. Rightly a huge achievement of devolution led the news - minimum pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 On a side note, imagine "supporting" a political party. Going to conferences with your scarf and booking a bus for Lib Dems away. It's not a football team ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: OED definitions Nationalism - Identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. Many folk don't feel nationalism as a thing as they don't believe or think in the manner of a nationalist. Patriotism - The quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country. More folk feel this and imo confuse the two. I would argue I feel more patriotic as a Scot than nationalistic. You can feel anyway you want, I just think Scotland will be better off economically, socially and politically. It’s as simple as that. You over think your subconscious. I hope not to point score on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: And how much of that happened under a Conservative government? You know? The government I didn't vote for. All of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sir Vladimir of Romanov said: You know fine well what I mean. Your confrontation nonsense on almost every post you make does nothing but harm to your hope for independence. People like you turn others away from supporting independence. Politics is quite confrontational, it’s nothing new. Especially when you believe in something 100% like I do. You ain’t going to change me, Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sraman Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: OED definitions Nationalism - Identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. Many folk don't feel nationalism as a thing as they don't believe or think in the manner of a nationalist. Patriotism - The quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country. More folk feel this and imo confuse the two. I would argue I feel more patriotic as a Scot than nationalistic. Won't somebody spare a thought for the Internationalists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Space Mackerel said: All of it Great, I must remember to keep not voting for them. Are you willing to apologise for wrongly assuming about me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vladimir of Romanov Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Space Mackerel said: Politics is quite confrontational, it’s nothing new. Especially when you believe in something 100% like I do. You ain’t going to change me, Not a chance. It doesn't matter to me I you change. I just feel you are going about things the wrong way. Up to you tho mate. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: It's none of your business how I voted in the GE. What I'm telling you is your assertion that I'm a Tory is wrong. You cant come on a political thread and offer no solutions. All your doing is slating posters, well, for posting their thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Sir Vladimir of Romanov said: It doesn't matter to me I you change. I just feel you are going about things the wrong way. Up to you tho mate. ? I’ll say please and thank you next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: You cant come on a political thread and offer no solutions. All your doing is slating posters, well, for posting their thoughts. I trust you can show me where I slated you for posting your views? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vladimir of Romanov Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Space Mackerel said: I’ll say please and thank you next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Great, I must remember to keep not voting for them. Are you willing to apologise for wrongly assuming about me? UKIP? Labour? (Scottish yin) Lib Dems (Scottish yin) Greens (Scottish yin) SSP? Momentum? Cmon, you can do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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