Thomaso Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Honestly couldn't give a **** about the new stand now. Although, one quick observation is the box section on the vertical truss, wonder if this is a TV studio to match the police box on the other side .. anyway, I don't care. I fully understand your feelings, however the future generations of Hearts fans will be grateful that we stuck by the FoH process, and built a new stand that we can all be proud of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion but the most exciting part of Hearts these days seems to be off the park,the new stand is the only thing to get excited about,if we keep producing rubbish on the field we ain't going to fill it. The new stand will be here for, hopefully, the next hundred years. Unfortunately, there will undoubtedly be a few poor seasons in that time. It doesn't mean that building the new stand was a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucille's Thirsty Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 The new stand will be here for, hopefully, the next hundred years. Unfortunately, there will undoubtedly be a few poor seasons in that time. It doesn't mean that building the new stand was a bad idea. It's not a bad idea at all Dave,thoroughly looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) . Edited March 2, 2017 by Psychedelicropcircle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millano77 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 See the workmen have had enough of creepy greengminger hanging around so they are blocking him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 See the workmen have had enough of creepy greengminger hanging around so they are blocking him It's because tomorrow a big lorry will arrive with the stand. But they want to pretend they are working till September This may be made up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Whats the angle of the stand seats? The wheatfield is the maximum it is allowed to be at 34 degrees isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan socrates Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Whats the angle of the stand seats? The wheatfield is the maximum it is allowed to be at 34 degrees isn't it? 32 degrees, it says on the drawing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 In terms of safe standing, the current "Green Guide" recommends that the gradient of the viewing deck for a standing area does not exceed 25 degrees and for a seated area is no more than 34 degrees. So, that'll be no safe standing at Tynecastle then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 In terms of safe standing, the current "Green Guide" recommends that the gradient of the viewing deck for a standing area does not exceed 25 degrees and for a seated area is no more than 34 degrees. So, that'll be no safe standing at Tynecastle then. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 In terms of safe standing, the current "Green Guide" recommends that the gradient of the viewing deck for a standing area does not exceed 25 degrees and for a seated area is no more than 34 degrees. So, that'll be no safe standing at Tynecastle then. That's a shame as standing is the natural way to watch football being played. Where's there's a will there's a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That's a shame as standing is the natural way to watch football being played. Where's there's a will there's a way. Exactly my thoughts. Huge own goal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It wont happen but if there is a barrier in front of your standing position why should the angle matter. It is not like the old style crush barriers scattered all over the terracing after all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 For the lower section of the new main stand, it is only a 28' slope. So I don't see how 28' instead of 25' would be a problem for safe standing as there's railings to stop you falling forward anyway. If we can have steepness exceeding 32' without railings, surely 28' with railings isn't a problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 In terms of safe standing, the current "Green Guide" recommends that the gradient of the viewing deck for a standing area does not exceed 25 degrees and for a seated area is no more than 34 degrees. So, that'll be no safe standing at Tynecastle then. good(5'6)and not getting any bigger If it has to be, make all the six footers stand at the back. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That's a shame as standing is the natural way to watch football being played. Where's there's a will there's a way. Safe standing! Again? Really????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Safe standing! Again? Really????? If it's not possible, it's not possible. Just saying it's a shame that we're not getting any. I'd go for that option if it was and I'm certain it would be popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabber Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I would think there is not a snowballs chance in hell they even contemplated safe standing behind the dugouts and in front of the directors box .even at the sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That's a shame as standing is the natural way to watch football being played. Where's there's a will there's a way. Quite right. My family all stand behind the settee when MOTD or any other footie programmes on. Personally I crouch behind it peeking through the spaces between my fingers - especially when our matches are being covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If it's not possible, it's not possible. Just saying it's a shame that we're not getting any. I'd go for that option if it was and I'm certain it would be popular. Careful not to get dragged in... I discussed your point a good few pages backed. It opened a Pandora's box and somehow turned into an argument about the nursery... Agree re safe standing. Have the club said anything on it? If not, someone should ask and we can be done with it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Careful not to get dragged in... I discussed your point a good few pages backed. It opened a Pandora's box and somehow turned into an argument about the nursery... Agree re safe standing. Have the club said anything on it? If not, someone should ask and we can be done with it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think someone has been quoted as saying safe standing isn't happening, but doesn't mean it can't in the future for the lower sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Careful not to get dragged in... I discussed your point a good few pages backed. It opened a Pandora's box and somehow turned into an argument about the nursery... Agree re safe standing. Have the club said anything on it? If not, someone should ask and we can be done with it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There are definitely no plans during the stadium re-development to have safe standing. Edited March 3, 2017 by Thomaso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Honestly couldn't give a **** about the new stand now. Although, one quick observation is the box section on the vertical truss, wonder if this is a TV studio to match the police box on the other side .. anyway, I don't care. I'd explain it to you but there wouldn't really be any point in doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If it's not possible, it's not possible. Just saying it's a shame that we're not getting any. I'd go for that option if it was and I'm certain it would be popular. Careful not to get dragged in... I discussed your point a good few pages backed. It opened a Pandora's box and somehow turned into an argument about the nursery... Agree re safe standing. Have the club said anything on it? If not, someone should ask and we can be done with it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Well that pretty much puts an end to it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Surely when the corners are filled in they'll be at the optimum angle for safe standing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Surely when the corners are filled in they'll be at the optimum angle for safe standing? Good point. And BTW - does anyone know if we're staying at Tynecastle in the short term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Surely when the corners are filled in they'll be at the optimum angle for safe standing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Well that pretty much puts an end to it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It's probably never been on the table. But if it was dismissed pretthy much immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardbresslawsarmchair Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I emailed the club and asked if it was fi ancial or technical reasons that safe standing wasn't an option they replied it was a bit of both,I think what put them off was the1/1ratio regulation I think they originally thought they would be able to increase capacity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I emailed the club and asked if it was fi ancial or technical reasons that safe standing wasn't an option they replied it was a bit of both,I think what put them off was the1/1ratio regulation I think they originally thought they would be able to increase capacity Seems plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I emailed the club and asked if it was fi ancial or technical reasons that safe standing wasn't an option they replied it was a bit of both,I think what put them off was the1/1ratio regulation I think they originally thought they would be able to increase capacity If the 1:1 ratio and cost implications are what is weighing it down, then it's something the FoH could help with in the future if there was enough interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If the 1:1 ratio and cost implications are what is weighing it down, then it's something the FoH could help with in the future if there was enough interest. I'm not sure there is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardbresslawsarmchair Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If you look at anyone standing in the back row of the bottom section of any of the 3 new stands they obscure the view of anyone sitting in the first row of the upper section think you would need to lose a row of seats to put safe standing in If the 1:1 ratio and cost implications are what is weighing it down, then it's something the FoH could help with in the future if there was enough interest. iI think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Saw this on Facebook earlier. I actually have this club newspaper up in my attic somewhere. I also remember Craig Levein and Alex Kitson sending out a letter in 1994 asking for more 500 Club members, as the (Wheatfield Stand) steel order had to be in for a certain date. In the end, about 1,200 of us signed up for it. Crowd levels at the time were at a 10 year low, debt was starting to rise, the club was flirting with relegation and the chairman was living in France having had enough. It was a good effort to get it built in those circumstances. I wonder if the club still have this model? Edited March 3, 2017 by Buffalo Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Saw this on Facebook earlier. I actually have this club newspaper up in my attic somewhere. I also remember Craig Levein and Alex Kitson sending out a letter in 1994 asking for more 500 Club members, as the (Wheatfield Stand) steel order had to be in for a certain date. In the end, about 1,200 of us signed up for it. Crowd levels at the time were at a 10 year low, debt was starting to rise, the club was flirting with relegation and the chairman was living in France having had enough. It was a good effort to get it built in those circumstances. I wonder if the club still have this model? The model used to be on display in the old stone office building I think. I remember the 14 y/o me looking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) If you look at anyone standing in the back row of the bottom section of any of the 3 new stands they obscure the view of anyone sitting in the first row of the upper section think you would need to lose a row of seats to put safe standing in iI think Not unless they are 8 foot tall or more However when FOH take over this will be an issue raised by the membership. Our current leader is doing a great job but is blinded on this issue Edited March 3, 2017 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Not unless they are 8 foot tall or more However when FOH take over this will be an issue raised by the membership. Our current leader is doing a great job but is blinded on this issue Correct. Had a Season Ticket on Row 9, Wheatfield and the guys in Row 8 (Lower) were never in my way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardbresslawsarmchair Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 good to hear I think there is a lot more support for a standing area than people on here want to admit it would push a fantastic arena up another level Correct. Had a Season Ticket on Row 9, Wheatfield and the guys in Row 8 (Lower) were never in my way. good to good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf's Mate Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I take it safe standing is this weeks fill in the corners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 They used it back in the day on the corporate brochures too. [emoji1] I'm glad they ditched the grey sections and the upside down trusses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardbresslawsarmchair Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 if we canny fill the corners in or get safe standing can we get maroon nets ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 the upside down trusses Hold on....if we did that, put some floor boards down along the bottom of them to fill the gaps, and a ladder leading up to them....couldn't we get some safe standing along there? Cracking view too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Not unless they are 8 foot tall or more However when FOH take over this will be an issue raised by the membership. Our current leader is doing a great job but is blinded on this issue Not blinded as it seems to have been looked at and actively discounted by the Hearts board. Not convinced the conversion costs, including changing the rake of one of the stands , will stack up. However, I do expect the topic will be raised again though I think it is a minority that want to stand at matches these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I think it is a minority that want to stand at matches these days. Nobody's suggesting we allocate over 10,000 to safe standing! I'm sure there would be a maximum space we could convert - and that would probably accommodate the numbers who'd want to stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communist Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 That's a shame as standing is the natural way to watch football being played. Where's there's a will there's a way. Apparently not, apparently not even the recent derby ER when I was asked by the steward to sit down, fellow Jambos had complained they couldn't see cos of me. Wouldn't mind usually but it's a derby FFS, and to make matters worse I was row BB (top tier, second of 2 rows before the walkway and the rest of the upper section!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Fill the corners with safe standin' ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Apparently not, apparently not even the recent derby ER when I was asked by the steward to sit down, fellow Jambos had complained they couldn't see cos of me. Wouldn't mind usually but it's a derby FFS, and to make matters worse I was row BB (top tier, second of 2 rows before the walkway and the rest of the upper section!) It is pretty selfish to just stand up without any care for who is behind you. Fair enough if it's known as a section where everyone stands e.g. back of G, lower N, but is it common in BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communist Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It is pretty selfish to just stand up without any care for who is behind you. Fair enough if it's known as a section where everyone stands e.g. back of G, lower N, but is it common in BB? Row BB, Easter road. The replay. It's pretty well known standing is generally accepted at away ties against the hibs. I assume you don't go much. But I agree it is selfish if there is a kid or someone who is unable to see behind - I had a walkway behind and was directly in front of the tunnel leading to the concourse bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Saw this on Facebook earlier. I actually have this club newspaper up in my attic somewhere. I also remember Craig Levein and Alex Kitson sending out a letter in 1994 asking for more 500 Club members, as the (Wheatfield Stand) steel order had to be in for a certain date. In the end, about 1,200 of us signed up for it. Crowd levels at the time were at a 10 year low, debt was starting to rise, the club was flirting with relegation and the chairman was living in France having had enough. It was a good effort to get it built in those circumstances. I wonder if the club still have this model? I've still got the brochure and 500 club badge somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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