ToadKiller Dog Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I could post the well published picture of former labour MP Ann Begg sharing a laugh with NF Scotland activist Dave McDonald during the referendum campaign . Extremists like McDonald like the guy who hounds Murphy latch onto people , political parties and sometimes football clubs . The SNP are not any more responsible for him than Ann is a friend of the NF . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luckydug Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Sorry if I have missed something but what date was that poll taken. Cant see it anywhere. Its on the home page. 24/04/2015 - 03/05/2015 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Draper Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 You never had a photo taken with an undesirable character that you later regretted, Mags? Happens to the best of us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malinga the Swinga Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The SNP will do well there is no point in denying that. The only question is the extent. As an SNP voter anything over 20 seats will do me. I want the Tories out. Scotland can not afford another five years of their cuts. Again as an SNP supporter I suppose a Tory win would hasten a referendum but the price of another five years of the Tories would be too much imo. I personally want another 5 years of the Consevatives. We can't afford 5 years of Labour wrecking the recovery we have and then leaving another note when the Conservatives get back in again to pick up the Labour mess. Also don't want independence but happy enough with devolution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Draper Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 To take this on another course do people really believe an end to austerity is the way forward? That we Spend our way out of trouble? We already spend money we do not have and people want to spend even more than we already have.. It's stupidity on quite a staggering scale.. Neither wonder bright house and the like do so well.. Austerity's been an unmitigated disaster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
freddiemac Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Aye - nothing to do with the SNP likesywell mags who do I believe you or sturgeon who proclaimed today that the hecklers were nothing to do with snp . She didn't know sean clerkin was once a snp candidate ? With your impeccable track record mags ,I,m going with you. Maybe the krankiecopter was affecting her . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboX2 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I could post the well published picture of former labour MP Ann Begg sharing a laugh with NF Scotland activist Dave McDonald during the referendum campaign . Extremists like McDonald like the guy who hounds Murphy latch onto people , political parties and sometimes football clubs . The SNP are not any more responsible for him than Ann is a friend of the NF . If they are members of the SNP, and as channel 4 news stated they said they were, then it's more so that the SNP have a responsibility here as to the conduct of its members when out campaigning. Ann Begg, who is still running so let's see how she does, and her photo were equally poor. However, that guy wasn't in Labour as so it wasn't their duty. A lot of ifs and buts here, and what I've said is based on the C4 news report of this today at 7 where they were quoted as being SNP members. But if that's the case then the level of responsibility for the SNP to distance themselves from stuff like that is greater. I agree though that movements and collections of people attract bad elements. But when they reveal themselves respectable organisations should boot them out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luckydug Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 well mags who do I believe you or sturgeon who proclaimed today that the hecklers were nothing to do with snp . She didn't know sean clerkin was once a snp candidate ? With your impeccable track record mags ,I,m going with you. Maybe the krankiecopter was affecting her . I watched this incident on the news and unless the BBC have doctored the film it seems a bit of a skirmish nothing more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JAYEL Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 considering Murphy was originally heckled in Buchanan st before getting into a car down to st Enoch square,where the picture is clearly taken from. You and your cohort cade could do worse than check out a few simple facts before posting myths. Yeah the picture is a myth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambos are go! Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Its on the home page. 24/04/2015 - 03/05/2015 These are statistical projections based on an analysis of national polls for the period and no evidence on how and when the predictions for individual constituencies where made. Or the methodology used. In no way is it based on a poll of voters in each contituency or any variation in voting intentions anywhere. Now I take polls seriously and think the SNP should do very well but this analysis is not one I would trust. Based on their figures its a total non contest all over Scotland . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderstruck Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Austerity's been an unmitigated disaster. By how much has the total UK public expenditure declined since 2010? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luckydug Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The Unionists are getting desperate no matter what they try the tide against them is relentless. Roll on Friday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgiewave Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The Unionists are getting desperate no matter what they try the tide against them is relentless. Roll on Friday. SNP + Sinn Fein + SDLP + Plaid Cymru will be about 65-70. 580-585 Unionist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgiewave Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Austerity's been an unmitigated disaster. Effortless sanctimony means being angry at rising debt, angry at reduced spending and freezing council tax for all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboX2 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The Unionists are getting desperate no matter what they try the tide against them is relentless. Roll on Friday. http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-curtice-still-hope-for-labour-in-scotland-1-3761699 I'll take a football team of MPs for now. Plus perhaps 2 Liberals and a Tory means around 45 SNP MPs. Have a feeling on the day that may be less than 45 MPs but if it is then so be it. But we could then face a Tory government, minority or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JAYEL Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 SNP + Sinn Fein + SDLP + Plaid Cymru will be about 65-70. 580-585 Unionist. Labour will do a deal as usual with the SDLP even though their main aim is to breal up the union. Strange Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgiewave Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Labour will do a deal as usual with the SDLP even though their main aim is to breal up the union. Strange They have no chance of that, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgiewave Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 A v. interesting site: http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1692_2016UKp_14c1li011tcn_F0t Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidsnot Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 You and your party DO NOT speak for Scotland. Do you not understand that concept? Lmao @ that reply,come Friday we will be the masters,your mob can get back to what they do best,thuggery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderstruck Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 A v. interesting site: http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1692_2016UKp_14c1li011tcn_F0t It is indeed. Note the increased NHS spend year on year and reconcile that with what Scotland spent on NHS (despite Barnett Consequentials). It does make the "NHYES" car stickers more than a little ironic. The big, unanswered question is where did that money go? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Lmao @ that reply,come Friday we will be the masters,your mob can get back to what they do best,thuggery.God, you really are deluded! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgiewave Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Lmao @ that reply,come Friday we will be the masters,your mob can get back to what they do best,thuggery. Masters of what? You'll have a maximum of 9% of the seats. Labour, Lib Dems and Conservative will have 85%+. A referendum if Westminster agrees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ToadKiller Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) This was just an angry protest not chaos http://standingstonesblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/david-cameron-met-by-angry-protesters.html?m=1 Murphys advisor John Mcternan just happened to be advising in Australia when this underneath happened I believe it was just a coincidence . Lots of interesting opinions stuff on the job he did in Oz on the Internet . http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/news/gillard-and-abbott-run-protest-gauntlet/story-e6frea6u-1226254435221 Edited May 5, 2015 by ToadKiller Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorgiewave Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Here's the proportion of Scotland's GDP spent by the state (year, pop. in millions, % of GDP spent by state) 2006 5.151 41.91 2007 5.169 43.95 2008 5.187 46.43 2009 5.204 48.55 2010 5.222 51.49 2011 5.233 51.93 2012 5.251 52.69 2013 5.268 53.94 http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1994_2013SCp_14c1li011tcn_F0t 2006 MW gdp 60.843 39.40 2007 MW gdp 61.194 39.08 2008 MW gdp 61.548 40.61 2009 MW gdp 61.904 45.47 2010 1500.3 62.262 44.86 2011 1576.5 62.649 44.03 2012 1626.2 63.067 42.70 2013 1663.1 63.488 40.52 http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1994_2013UKp_14c1li011tcn_F0t Now, forgive my dynamite logic, but having public spending much higher than UK's and rising every year since 2006 despite a recession and UK GDP rising every year despite a recession gives the impression that: (a) Scotland might need more money per head but it certainly spends a lot more; ( public spending has not suffered much due to the recession. Remember, if you want taxes on the City of London and bankers' bonuses to be spend in and on Scotland, Scotland must be in the Union. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leipzig 51 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 General elections are so stage managed an sterile nowadays. Its got to the stage when a megaphone or an egg are seen as violent weapons. It used to be that eggs flour and punches were thrown on a regular basis and everyone thought is was normal. This must be the tamest election ever. Is it not time for a Kickback poll now anyway? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Draper Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Effortless sanctimony means being angry at rising debt, angry at reduced spending and freezing council tax for all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
freddiemac Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Yeah the picture is a myth Nobody said the the picture is a myth ,just the wrong place at the wrong time .take it you agree with eddie reader ,that Murphy was just looking for trouble by campaigning in "yes city" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aussieh Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I didnae no the Speakers seat is never contested. You learn something new everyday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Burgundy Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I'm still unsure of how I'm going to end up voting. The one thing I'm certain about is that I really want a Scotland where me or my children are able to voice their opinion without fear of intimidation so for that reason I won't be voting SNP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psychedelicropcircle Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 SNP + Sinn Fein + SDLP + Plaid Cymru will be about 65-70. 580-585 Unionist. But but but, they're on opposite sides right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuck berrys hairline Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Is it two votes this time? Local and national. Also have they done away with the preference pish ie 1,2,3 felt weird last time trying to find a number 2 worthy of being second choice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dobmisterdobster Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 A female SNP canvasser in Paisley was hospitalised, needing stitches after she was punched and kicked by a gang of thugs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hasselhoff Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Is it two votes this time? Local and national. Also have they done away with the preference pish ie 1,2,3 felt weird last time trying to find a number 2 worthy of being second choice! Your constituency must be having a by-election too, got the same here. The general election just has one choice, an X. The by-election lets you choose your first choice and optionally a second and third choice. Edited May 5, 2015 by Hasselhoff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aussieh Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I'm still unsure of how I'm going to end up voting. The one thing I'm certain about is that I really want a Scotland where me or my children are able to voice their opinion without fear of intimidation so for that reason I won't be voting SNP.People dont still fall for the auld (agent) Provocateur these days.Eddie was prob wearing their stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ToadKiller Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) A female SNP canvasser in Paisley was hospitalised, needing stitches after she was punched and kicked by a gang of thugs. Yeah but she's not a fundily mundily kind of person like Jim , so won't get screaming over the top coverage from the BBC or daily record . Edited May 5, 2015 by ToadKiller Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambo1185 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 A female SNP canvasser in Paisley was hospitalised, needing stitches after she was punched and kicked by a gang of thugs. Disgusting wtf is wrong with people Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambo1185 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Is a UK government legitimate if it doesn't have NI MPs in it Nicola? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reaths17 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 A female SNP canvasser in Paisley was hospitalised, needing stitches after she was punched and kicked by a gang of thugs. how many people were attacked by a gang of thugs this year so far in scotland? were all the gangs of thugs members anti SNP? bit of a vague statement Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dobmisterdobster Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 how many people were attacked by a gang of thugs this year so far in scotland? were all the gangs of thugs members anti SNP? bit of a vague statement They were believed to be BNP members. Not trying to score any political points. Just reporting what I have heard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboX2 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 A female SNP canvasser in Paisley was hospitalised, needing stitches after she was punched and kicked by a gang of thugs. Vile stuff. Hope the folk involved are caught and prosecuted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jack D and coke Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Can we stop with this myth that the country is about to break out in civil war It's a handful of tubes and nothing more. Labour are trying to perpetuate a shameful lie because they are getting their arse felt. The more I read about them I more i want them annihilated. As more details are revealed in the Rotherham scandal I don't know how people can bring themselves to vote for them tbh. Knew full well what was going on but kept it all quiet so as not to lose the Muslim vote and up here are happy to keep making nazi references about their Scottish heartlands. Shame on them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboX2 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Is a UK government legitimate if it doesn't have NI MPs in it Nicola? Under her re-writing of the UK constitution then yes. Under the principal of he who commands the confidence of the House, then no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thaw Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Here's the proportion of Scotland's GDP spent by the state (year, pop. in millions, % of GDP spent by state) 2006 5.151 41.91 2007 5.169 43.95 2008 5.187 46.43 2009 5.204 48.55 2010 5.222 51.49 2011 5.233 51.93 2012 5.251 52.69 2013 5.268 53.94 http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1994_2013SCp_14c1li011tcn_F0t 2006 MW gdp 60.843 39.40 2007 MW gdp 61.194 39.08 2008 MW gdp 61.548 40.61 2009 MW gdp 61.904 45.47 2010 1500.3 62.262 44.86 2011 1576.5 62.649 44.03 2012 1626.2 63.067 42.70 2013 1663.1 63.488 40.52http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1994_2013UKp_14c1li011tcn_F0t Now, forgive my dynamite logic, but having public spending much higher than UK's and rising every year since 2006 despite a recession and UK GDP rising every year despite a recession gives the impression that: (a) Scotland might need more money per head but it certainly spends a lot more; ( public spending has not suffered much due to the recession. Remember, if you want taxes on the City of London and bankers' bonuses to be spend in and on Scotland, Scotland must be in the Union. These figures are a fairly blunt instrument. What are the conclusions? If UK public spending has actually continued to increase despite 'austerity', does this mean that the deficit is simply being used as an excuse by the Government to make its cuts of choice? Does it reflect money spent on the Olympics, interventionist foreign policy, royal occasions, war commemorations and so on? If some progress is being made with the deficit nonetheless, does it mean that the plans to 'get the country working again' are actually having some success? If Scotland has considerably higher public spending than the rest of the UK, is this chiefly because a higher proportion of people are employed by the state? Does it mean that the council tax freeze is not actually doing much harm? How much can the financial problems of Scotland's councils be attributed to the council tax freeze when over 90% of their funding comes from central government? Or is it more the principles that both sides object to, rather than the actual results? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuck berrys hairline Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Your constituency must be having a by-election too, got the same here. The general election just has one choice, an X. The by-election lets you choose your first choice and optionally a second and third choice. Appreciated, do folk really choose three then number them in order. I've always seen it as one man one vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambo1185 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 They were believed to be BNP members. Not trying to score any political points. Just reporting what I have heard. Christ, are the BNP still going? Do they have anyone standing up here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reaths17 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Can we stop with this myth that the country is about to break out in civil war It's a handful of tubes and nothing more. Labour are trying to perpetuate a shameful lie because they are getting their arse felt. The more I read about them I more i want them annihilated. As more details are revealed in the Rotherham scandal I don't know how people can bring themselves to vote for them tbh. Knew full well what was going on but kept it all quiet so as not to lose the Muslim vote and up here are happy to keep making nazi references about their Scottish heartlands. Shame on them. yeah, and all the other political scandals through out the years have been labour as well. hating labour is one thing, isolating stories to support your hate is rather feeble. this thread really has deteriorated into a fare representation of politics in the 21st century, like a bunch of very similar cats in a bag being slapped about with a big stick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jack D and coke Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 yeah, and all the other political scandals through out the years have been labour as well. hating labour is one thing, isolating stories to support your hate is rather feeble. this thread really has deteriorated into a fare representation of politics in the 21st century, like a bunch of very similar cats in a bag being slapped about with a big stick. And labour aren't isolating every small incident buy a tiny minority of brain cripples as Scotland morphing into 1930's Germany as well eh[emoji1] Shameful stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderstruck Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Is it two votes this time? Local and national. Also have they done away with the preference pish ie 1,2,3 felt weird last time trying to find a number 2 worthy of being second choice! If you are voting in England, yes. Local elections take place on Thursday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambo1185 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This is hideously long, but quite an insightful profile piece on Cameron by the not-usually-sympathetic-to-his-cause Guardian. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/05/the-trials-of-david-Cameron If you have a strong coffee and a spare 15mins worth a read Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-curtice-still-hope-for-labour-in-scotland-1-3761699 I'll take a football team of MPs for now. Plus perhaps 2 Liberals and a Tory means around 45 SNP MPs. Have a feeling on the day that may be less than 45 MPs but if it is then so be it. But we could then face a Tory government, minority or not. Can you explain the arithmetic there please. Surely, if it is a Tory minority then that means there could be a majority voting against. If it is a Tory majority, then how Scotland votes is irrelevant as whether the seats go to the SNP or Labour, there would still be a Tory majority. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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