The 2015 General Election Megathread

[aussieh]

Delia Smith- Let me introduce the next PM of England Ed Miliband. Says it all.

[Boris]

Comparing the breakaway of the Eastern European countries from the USSR/Warsaw Pact with Scotland and the UK?

 

I'd say that was more about freedom than nationalism.

 

Weak, Boris.

So why not stay in a new democratic USSR then? Are you saying nationalism never played a part?

[Gorgiewave]

No it won't. Most 'Nats' know the game that the press play, they do their own research and are able to distinguish lies from fact.

 

I've learnt on JKB that "doing your own research" is a big red flag.

 

It means taking a spurious fact and turning it into a meme; it then becomes received wisdom.

[Guest Trapper John]

I have no candidate, I stay in Belgium. And I'm not a 'Nat', when I resided in Scotland, I voted Labour.

 

I responded to a previous comment surrounding my perception of the press reporting and was providing two exaggerated reactions to what happened today. Violence, the mail. Absolute chaos, BBC.

That's that cleared up. (I think).

 

We have a guy  who lives in Spain who takes some serious hits on here for daring to opine on what's happening back home. Beware.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Trapper John

[Guest Trapper John]

So why not stay in a new democratic USSR then? Are you saying nationalism never played a part?

USSR - democratic????

 

Nationalism may have played a part but I would have thought that freedom was the greater determining factor. I know that may not sit well with an old Bolshie like you and sound faintly George W like. But there you are.

[Guest Trapper John]

Is that you took from that?

 

I am not referring to politics or the SNP.

Some of us did based on your posting history.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Trapper John

[Gorgiewave]

That's that cleared up. (I think).

 

We have a guy on here who lives in Spain who takes some serious hits on here for daring to opine on what's happening back home. Beware.

 

I've waded through thicker and deeper shite than some wallopers on JKB having a go at me.

 

If the Union ends soon, it will be bookmarked by two periods of authoritarianism, first Presbyterianism, now Civilised Nationalism.

[Guest Trapper John]

I've waded through thicker and deeper shite than some wallopers on JKB having a go at me.

 

If the Union ends soon, it will be bookmarked by two periods of authoritarianism, first Presbyterianism, now Civilised Nationalism.

I'd qualify that last bit a little.

[Rand Paul's Ray Bans]

Country before party. Quite right.

 

So are people who are voting for parties that they feel would benefit them the most, but are not in contention in their seat betraying their "country"? 

 

Yer like a dug wi' a bone, Joe...

 

Hey, I can write essays too!

 

That's that cleared up. (I think).

 

We have a guy  who lives in Spain who takes some serious hits on here for daring to opine on what's happening back home. Beware.

 

No, he's taken some "serious hits" because what he's saying is wrong. 

[Gorgiewave]

I've saw his posts but respect that's he entitled to have a say on his country of birth.

 

I rely on British press and have grown tired of the almost daily newspaper articles and press soundbites that proclaim half my country, including friends and family, to be mindless racist thugs.

 

Hence, the reaction.

 

I'm entitled to have a say on anything I like, as is everybody else.

[Guest Trapper John]

So are people who are voting for parties that they feel would benefit them the most, but are not in contention in their seat betraying their "country"? 

 

 

Hey, I can write essays too!

 

 

No, he's taken some "serious hits" because what he's saying is wrong. 

The first, you know that isn't the case. Many voted tactically in 1997 to usher in the Labour Party. And as a Lib Dem you've done pretty well over the years with tactical voting. And I would have thought the concept of 'country' is at the heart of every election, is it not? Namely, wanting what you believe is ultimately best for the land you live in?

 

The second, you're a cruel, cruel, man.

 

The third, in your opinion and that of others, but not everyone.

[Guest Trapper John]

I've saw his posts but respect that's he entitled to have a say on his country of birth.

 

I rely on British press and have grown tired of the almost daily newspaper articles and press soundbites that proclaim half my country, including friends and family, to be mindless racist thugs.

 

Hence, the reaction.

 

A bit over the top; I mean, who has ever relied for news on the British press?

[Rand Paul's Ray Bans]

The first, you know that isn't the case. Many voted tactically in 1997 to usher in the Labour Party. And as a Lib Dem you've done pretty well over the years with tactical voting. And I would have thought the concept of 'country' is at the heart of every election, is it not? Namely, wanting what you believe is ultimately best for the land you live in?

 

I'm a Lib Dem for this election, don't know about after yet (but probably).

 

What about people deciding on the basis of what's best for themselves?

 

I'm just surprised at you saying country first.

 

The third, in your opinion and that of others, but not everyone.

 

True. But that isn't an argument against Gorgiewave getting it tight for some of the things he says. He can have whatever opinion he wants; but at the same time he must expect people responding when they disagree with him.

[Guest Trapper John]

I'm a Lib Dem for this election, don't know about after yet (but probably).

 

What about people deciding on the basis of what's best for themselves?

 

I'm just surprised at you saying country first.

 

 

True. But that isn't an argument against Gorgiewave getting it tight for some of the things he says. He can have whatever opinion he wants; but at the same time he must expect people responding when they disagree with him.

 

That's the country of the United Kingdom. It's where I and my family live. What other country would it be?

 

(I know what your hinting at, you naughty man.)

Edited May 4, 2015 by Trapper John

[Gizmo]

Watching the news with Jim Murphy being hounded by thugs, and not being allowed to speak or be heard.

It's like 1930's Germany.

Nationalism is a filthy disgusting thing, when only one voice or party is allowed to be heard.

 

What a horrible wee country Scotland is turning into. People afraid to put posters in their windows. and being shouted down, not having a right to speak. People voting in a once in a generation referendum, then being told they are traitors and quislings. #55%

It is so like 1930's Germany with all the divide and hate, while Salmond and Sturgeon's silence seems to support it all.

 

 

Yep. Shocking scenes in Glasgow today. This is the future of Scotland unless people come to their senses.

The small demo was by that idiot Clerkin (he of the Ian Gray/Subway incident) and his desperation for attention. Not SNP supporters nor organised by "nationalists".

 

A few folk protesting on an anti-austerity ticket, but don't let that stop Murphy or the unionists or the MSM from claiming otherwise and, like egg-gate, inflating the demo into the siege of Sauchiehall Street. Idiots, perhaps. Fascists? No - if Murphy & Izzard (does Murphy not have any Scottish mates?) want to do a demo in public, then equally people have the same right to protest. It's a public place.

 

The exact same, incidentally, tactics used by Labour and the labour-leaning press, during the referendum which directly drove disaffected Labour supporters towards the SNP.

 

But nah, I doubt that will stop the usual suspects on here from leaping onto the "Nats = fascists" line.

 

 

[Psychedelicropcircle]

Yep. Shocking scenes in Glasgow today. This is the future of Scotland unless people come to their senses.

That would be like me saying the fuds that were burning Scotland flags last September is you and all who voted no. I'm all for folks right to protest but that was unacceptable.

[Guest Trapper John]

The small demo was by that idiot Clerkin (he of the Ian Gray/Subway incident) and his desperation for attention. Not SNP supporters nor organised by "nationalists".

 

A few folk protesting on an anti-austerity ticket, but don't let that stop Murphy or the unionists or the MSM from claiming otherwise and, like egg-gate, inflating the demo into the siege of Sauchiehall Street. Idiots, perhaps. Fascists? No - if Murphy & Izzard (does Murphy not have any Scottish mates?) want to do a demo in public, then equally people have the same right to protest. It's a public place.

 

The exact same, incidentally, tactics used by Labour and the labour-leaning press, during the referendum which directly drove disaffected Labour supporters towards the SNP.

 

But nah, I doubt that will stop the usual suspects on here from leaping onto the "Nats = fascists" line.

 

 

This is a UK election. Maybe that's why Izzard is up here supporting Labour.

 

Why does where Murphy's 'mates' come from matter?

 

Just gave yourself  away there.

[kingantti1874]

To take this on another course do people really believe an end to austerity is the way forward? That we Spend our way out of trouble? We already spend money we do not have and people want to spend even more than we already have..

 

It's stupidity on quite a staggering scale.. Neither wonder bright house and the like do so well..

[Guest Trapper John]

I would have been inclined to agree with that a few years ago, but there's a reliance on it over here.

I would have thought the BBC would have been best placed though there is an absurd bias obsession over them by SNP supporters.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Trapper John

[manaliveits105]

If snp win 50 or more seats it will be hailed as a success

If snp win 20 seats it will be hailed as a success

Politicians and their arse lickers never admit losing even when they have they think we are all gullable

We aint beware the silent majority

[Pans Jambo]

Watching the news with Jim Murphy being hounded by thugs, and not being allowed to speak or be heard.

It's like 1930's Germany.

Nationalism is a filthy disgusting thing, when only one voice or party is allowed to be heard.

 

What a horrible wee country Scotland is turning into. People afraid to put posters in their windows. and being shouted down, not having a right to speak. People voting in a once in a generation referendum, then being told they are traitors and quislings. #55%

It is so like 1930's Germany with all the divide and hate, while Salmond and Sturgeon's silence seems to support it all.

Cant condone a gang of arseholes shouting down a political event to the extent that they cant be heard however; It may be a reflection on the electorate who feel badly let down by a party they feel should be representing them & they are frankly, pissed off with it. I havee said before the SNP wont be the big party of change but I think they will br the ones who will kick start it.

Also, I will be voting SNP this GE but I think its getting tedious and frankly offensive to be compared with the National Socialist party of Germany from the 30's.

If your pissed off that "your team" is changing nothing and will probably get a spanking on Thurday there's really no need to compare me with Hitlers Nazi party who slaughtered millions.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Pans Jambo

[Boab]

I've saw his posts but respect that's he entitled to have a say on his country of birth.

 

I rely on British press and have grown tired of the almost daily newspaper articles and press soundbites that proclaim half my country, including friends and family, to be mindless racist thugs.

 

Hence, the reaction.

 

 

I'm entitled to have a say on anything I like, as is everybody else.

Both guys here have a good point but, like a lot of modern media, unless you're actually on the ground to witness some events, it's very difficult to get a proper perspective of events.

I watched today's events in Glasgow online like the vast majority of us and never seen fascists, just plums who think it's o.k. to attempt to stifle free speech.

Here's the other side though,,,there were fascists on the streets of Edinburgh the Saturday before the referendum and there were definitely fascists on the streets of Glasgow on the Friday night after the referendum.

Anyone who tries to dispute this or thinks that fascism only exists in Scottish Nationalist circles is trolling. Plain and simple.

[Bindy Badgy]

10/11 on Cameron still to be PM seems like a good bet?

 

I was surprised the price is that high.

[jambo1185]

Whether the people in Glasgow today have anything to so with the SNP or its just that welt protester man almost doesn't matter. SNP officials are having to condone it all over the place so they know they are damaged by association regardleas and when its shown on the national news it backs up Camerons hyperbole rhetoric on the dangers of letting the Nats have any leverage and will ensure a few extra wavering voters in England put a cross in the Tory box.

 

It may also help Murphy actually. I suspect the poor excellent Tory candidates vote share will drop another 5-10 points off the back of this and they switch. Hopefully he gets into Holyrood, he really would be a great representative.

Edited May 4, 2015 by jambo1185

[Cade]

A few points about today's "SNP thug ambush"

 

1) It was 5 people.

2) They were disability rights campaigners, not SNP.

3) One of them is Sean Clerkin, a serial heckler who has also in the past heckled Sturgeon. He identifies his politics as "international socialist". He notifies the Police of rallies he intends to heckle. The Police knew in advance that he was attending.

4) Labour officials told Sean that Jim Murphy would be there. The whole thing was orchestrated by Labour.

 

So to recap: It wasn't SNP, it wasn't an ambush, it was 5 people tipped off by Labour themselves, hoping for a repeat of the egg incident.

 

[kingantti1874]

A few points about today's "SNP thug ambush"

 

1) It was 5 people.

2) They were disability rights campaigners, not SNP.

3) One of them is Sean Clerkin, a serial heckler who has also in the past heckled Sturgeon. He identifies his politics as "international socialist". He notifies the Police of rallies he intends to heckle. The Police knew in advance that he was attending.

4) Labour officials told Sean that Jim Murphy would be there. The whole thing was orchestrated by Labour.

 

So to recap: It wasn't SNP, it wasn't an ambush, it was 5 people tipped off by Labour themselves, hoping for a repeat of the egg incident.

 

A labour conspiracy? You seem to have dug out all of that information very quickly so I presume it's freely available and confirmed?

 

If so I expect the SNP to publish the evidence and effectively finish labour in Scotland for the rest of time

[luckydug]

I agree. It will be like watching Rangers and hubs both getting booted by QOS.    But I'm in at 7/1 for a LD win in Gordon and 12/5 for Labour to hold Aberdeen South.   Piece of piss.  Beware the silent ones - the tactical voters.  They wont show up in the polls, but they are there.

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Gordon

 

If Salmond has 58% of the vote. The others can tactical vote as much as they like it wont make a blind bit of difference.

You have wasted your money and the Aberdeen constituency is just as bleak for you.

[deesidejambo]

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Gordon

 

If Salmond has 58% of the vote. The others can tactical vote as much as they like it wont make a blind bit of difference.

You have wasted your money and the Aberdeen constituency is just as bleak for you.

If he indeed has 58%, which is what you are assuming.   Anne Begg narrowing from 12/5 to 13/8 today.  Get yer money on.

[TheMaganator]

This is a UK election. Maybe that's why Izzard is up here supporting Labour.

 

Why does where Murphy's 'mates' come from matter?

 

Just gave yourself away there.

He's not the first on here.

 

It's civic nationalism though, right?

Edited May 4, 2015 by TheMaganator

[Ivan Drago]

A few points about today's "SNP thug ambush"

 

1) It was 5 people.

2) They were disability rights campaigners, not SNP.

3) One of them is Sean Clerkin, a serial heckler who has also in the past heckled Sturgeon. He identifies his politics as "international socialist". He notifies the Police of rallies he intends to heckle. The Police knew in advance that he was attending.

4) Labour officials told Sean that Jim Murphy would be there. The whole thing was orchestrated by Labour.

 

So to recap: It wasn't SNP, it wasn't an ambush, it was 5 people tipped off by Labour themselves, hoping for a repeat of the egg incident.

 

They were clearly seen with snp leaflets and some have been spotted at several snp rallies.

 

Why not just agree that it's unacceptable?

[TheMaganator]

A labour conspiracy? You seem to have dug out all of that information very quickly so I presume it's freely available and confirmed?

 

If so I expect the SNP to publish the evidence and effectively finish labour in Scotland for the rest of time

Clerkin is a former SNP campaigner

[jambo1185]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-32581810

 

Oh dear (allegedly).

[Boab]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-32581810

 

Oh dear (allegedly).

Funny how the SNP nutters appear a couple of days before voting day....allegedly.

[Gizmo]

This is a UK election. Maybe that's why Izzard is up here supporting Labour.

 

Why does where Murphy's 'mates' come from matter?

 

Just gave yourself  away there.

Well done, you managed to both avoid the thrust of the post and get in a sneaky bit of unwarranted abuse.

 

 

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

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[JamboX2]

The small demo was by that idiot Clerkin (he of the Ian Gray/Subway incident) and his desperation for attention. Not SNP supporters nor organised by "nationalists".

 

A few folk protesting on an anti-austerity ticket, but don't let that stop Murphy or the unionists or the MSM from claiming otherwise and, like egg-gate, inflating the demo into the siege of Sauchiehall Street. Idiots, perhaps. Fascists? No - if Murphy & Izzard (does Murphy not have any Scottish mates?) want to do a demo in public, then equally people have the same right to protest. It's a public place.

 

The exact same, incidentally, tactics used by Labour and the labour-leaning press, during the referendum which directly drove disaffected Labour supporters towards the SNP.

 

But nah, I doubt that will stop the usual suspects on here from leaping onto the "Nats = fascists" line.

 

 

Channel 4 news reported speaking with the balloons in question and all claimed SNP membership.

[JamboX2]

Funny how the SNP nutters appear a couple of days before voting day....allegedly.

Not really. All parties have nutters. They crop up now and again. I find it hilarious there are those now saying Murphy set this up. It's almost as hilarious as Stewart Hosie this afternoon breaking ranks with his leader saying the SNP will hold a second referendum if their demands are not met after the election. I assume he also wishes to see the demands of the DUP be met as they are the sovereign will of Northern Ireland.

[jambo1185]

Funny how the SNP nutters appear a couple of days before voting day....allegedly.

The SNPs quote is a little bit interesting though, it acknowledges an incident but doesn't distance the individual from the party as Nicola did today about the nonsense in Glasgow. If the guy is not an SNP member or campaigner you'd make sure you made that point wouldnt you.

 

Allegedly....

 

Although given the Tories will barely get their deposit back in that seat it seems odd for anyone to waste their time getting in their faces.

Edited May 4, 2015 by jambo1185

[JAYEL]

Glasgow chaos

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/379220795559339/photos/a.379505232197562.1073741829.379220795559339/492551584226259/?type=1&theater

[Boab]

Not really. All parties have nutters. They crop up now and again. I find it hilarious there are those now saying Murphy set this up. It's almost as hilarious as Stewart Hosie this afternoon breaking ranks with his leader saying the SNP will hold a second referendum if their demands are not met after the election. I assume he also wishes to see the demands of the DUP be met as they are the sovereign will of Northern Ireland.

I agree that there are nutters afoot from all parties but it's not some of the mad conspiracy stuff that I'm on about it's the reporting of it,as I was alluding to further up the thread.

It's a murky business.

[ToadKiller Dog]

Wow a Jim Murphy street fighter moment leads to a lot of over blown nonsense . Much ado about nothing .

More media their than the general public .

[Gorgiewave]

Was cade among a hysterical pro-independence crowd again?

 

You really have to go some for George Galloway to call you a thug.

[Cade]

Glasgow chaos

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/379220795559339/photos/a.379505232197562.1073741829.379220795559339/492551584226259/?type=1&theater

[Guest Trapper John]

SNP activists following and filming Labour MP Margaret Curren.

 

Activists not very bright. Re-training required.

 

https://www.facebook.com/VoteNo2014/photos/a.177722718953393.48305.174186732640325/881525768573081/?type=1

[Cade]

Was cade among a hysterical pro-independence crowd again?

 

You really have to go some for George Galloway to call you a thug.

The only crowd I was in was an anti-UKIP crowd consisting primarily of English students studying at various Edinburgh universities and colleges.

 

You bash on with your wee world of fiction though bud.

[luckydug]

If he indeed has 58%, which is what you are assuming.   Anne Begg narrowing from 12/5 to 13/8 today.  Get yer money on.

If you care to click on the link you will see its not me that is assuming anything,

William hill have her (Anne Begg) at 4/1.

You are not very good at this betting lark are you ?

[Boab]

This had potential to be a decent thread.

Some real quality bullshit now.

I'm out....adios,amigos...will look in on Friday.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

So let me get this right. SNP activists are actively targeting Labour candidates but the SNP want Labour in No10.

 

Ok...

[Zibi]

The tears and snotters on friday morning are going to be

Will be reminiscent of Hibs fans after 5-1. The diehard Unionists will be shaking with rage.

[2NaFish]

So let me get this right. SNP activists are actively targeting Labour candidates but the SNP want Labour in No10.

 

Ok...

 

If this thread proves anything, it's that people who apparently really love their cause are really good at putting people off their cause.

 

I don't see why kickback should have a monopoly on this.