Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Eric Joyce jumped ship? Him and Mhairi Black for a square go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Depends on what socialism means to you. To me it means whats best for everyone. To Nicola its whats best for everyone, as long as they live in Scotland. Labour have been promising a fairer society for 70 years and the poor areas who vote Labour are still poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Eric Joyce jumped ship? Eric won't have much time for politics if he's banged up for his latest assault. Wonder if he'll go to the same nick as his fellow former Labour MP from the neighbouring constituency, Jim Devine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Eric won't have much time for politics if he's banged up for his latest assault. Wonder if he'll go to the same nick as his fellow former Labour MP from the neighbouring constituency, Jim Devine. Might bump into Bill Walker. Old pals reunion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Labour have been promising a fairer society for 70 years and the poor areas who vote Labour are still poor. That is the reason they have lost so much support to the SNP. If there was as similar Left wing alternative in England Labour would be getting wiped out there as well. Politics in the UK has become like the USA = no representation for poor people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Eric won't have much time for politics if he's banged up for his latest assault. Wonder if he'll go to the same nick as his fellow former Labour MP from the neighbouring constituency, Jim Devine.Interior design by Mike Watson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Might bump into Bill Walker. Old pals reunion. An odious character. But fortunately never a Westminster MP and therefore irrelevant to this thread. Please stay on topic, Trapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 depends on just how desperate Sturgeon is for power. They played hnd too early and this could lead to bear outcome for country as a whole, a Conservative win. One last thing, wish you and other SNP disciples would stop saying red Tories when referring to Labour. Wasn't really fun weeks ago and it is really boring now. Ive been called many things in my life but SNP disciple is by far the most offensive. Have never voted for them amd havr never used the term Red Tories, because its utter rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 That is the reason they have lost so much support to the SNP. If there was as similar Left wing alternative in England Labour would be getting wiped out there as well. Politics in the UK has become like the USA = no representation for poor people. And the snp represent the poor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 An odious character. But fortunately never a Westminster MP and therefore irrelevant to this thread. Please stay on topic, Trapper. Sorry, I just hope the guy is able to get his wife back together. I mean his life that is, oops, slip of the tongue there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Interior design by Mike Watson? Quite possibly. Do you think they maintain a suite of cells for the People's Party at certain nicks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Quite possibly. Do you think they maintain a suite of cells for the People's Party at certain nicks?The Bar-L Hilton? [emoji38] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janbo1874 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GYL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) In fact when Anne storms to victory I will post a photo of my nob next to a beautiful ice-cold G&T with pink grapefruit. If the Mods don't mind. Somehow i think you may be wrong...... MP at 2010: Anne Begg (LAB) Electorate: 64,031 Turnout: 67.2% 2010 Votes 2010 Share Predicted Votes LAB 15,722 36.5% 19.5% LIB 12,216 28.4% 8.9% CON 8,914 20.7% 19.5% SNP 5,102 11.9% 48.4% OTH 667 1.5% 0.5% Green 413 1.0% 1.4% UKIP 0 0.0% 1.7% LAB Majority 3,506 8.1% Pred Maj 28.8%Seat details with ward map, results and predictions Chance of winning LAB 2% LIB 0% CON 2% SNP 96% OTH 0% Green 0% UKIP 0% Predicted Vote in Bold........ Edited May 3, 2015 by GYL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddiemac Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 And the snp represent the poor?they will have a hell of a lot more poor to represent if they get their way ,putting ultimate power before the good people of Scotland's best interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I'll reiterate my earlier comments that the SNP may have no power whatsoever come Thursday. There's not a lot of difference between their manifesto and Labour's so they will look stupid if they don't vote with them on most issues. Two key points Nicola wants- (1) rid of Trident. No chance as they would be outvoted by the major parties. (2) Same with any hope of a fresh referendum. The thing is, she knows this and that's why she's whoring (politically) herself around Ed. Ed is not running after her and if SNP are forced to sit on the sidelines for 5 years she will be a spent force - a seven day wonder. All of this of course assumes the opinion polls are replicated on Thursday and for that to change it just needs one slip by Dodgy Dave or Ed as happened with Gordon Brown and Mrs Duffy last time. Anyway maybe Nicola's happy enough with her Tory allies in the Scottish Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I'll reiterate my earlier comments that the SNP may have no power whatsoever come Thursday. There's not a lot of difference between their manifesto and Labour's so they will look stupid if they don't vote with them on most issues. Two key points Nicola wants- (1) rid of Trident. No chance as they would be outvoted by the major parties. (2) Same with any hope of a fresh referendum. The thing is, she knows this and that's why she's whoring (politically) herself around Ed. Ed is not running after her and if SNP are forced to sit on the sidelines for 5 years she will be a spent force - a seven day wonder. All of this of course assumes the opinion polls are replicated on Thursday and for that to change it just needs one slip by Dodgy Dave or Ed as happened with Gordon Brown and Mrs Duffy last time. Anyway maybe Nicola's happy enough with her Tory allies in the Scottish Parliament. Labour will have to do a deal with the SNP , they have no option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 they will have a hell of a lot more poor to represent if they get their way ,putting ultimate power before the good people of Scotland's best interests. The poor are an interesting aspect of this election campaign. They used to be useful to Labour in Scotland as long as they were blindly and unquestioningly voting representatives - no matter how appalling - of the People's Party on to the Holyrood or Westminster gravy trains. Working class heroes to be glorified, patronised or otherwise used as required. Now that they have finally realised how useless Labour is, however, they have become pariahs - members of socio-economic classes D/E, only good enough to be tarred by those who have remained faithful to the cause with the racist brush, a Lumpenproletariat of frightening proportions. The electorate has failed Scottish Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) The poor are an interesting aspect of this election campaign. They used to be useful to Labour in Scotland as long as they were blindly and unquestioningly voting representatives - no matter how appalling - of the People's Party on to the Holyrood or Westminster gravy trains. Working class heroes to be glorified, patronised or otherwise used as required. Now that they have finally realised how useless Labour is, however, they have become pariahs - members of socio-economic classes D/E, only good enough to be tarred by those who have remained faithful to the cause with the racist brush, a Lumpenproletariat of frightening proportions. The electorate has failed Scottish Labour. Now they've moved blindly and unquestioningly to the SNP with their appalling candidates. Do you think that's healthy? Your last sentence sounds dangerously like the ravings of a certain notorious person of history who though he dragged it into the abyss, believed his country had ultimately failed him. You're outdoing yourself for fatuous and sanctimonious statements tonight. Edited May 3, 2015 by Trapper John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 The poor are an interesting aspect of this election campaign. They used to be useful to Labour in Scotland as long as they were blindly and unquestioningly voting representatives - no matter how appalling - of the People's Party on to the Holyrood or Westminster gravy trains. Working class heroes to be glorified, patronised or otherwise used as required. Now that they have finally realised how useless Labour is, however, they have become pariahs - members of socio-economic classes D/E, only good enough to be tarred by those who have remained faithful to the cause with the racist brush, a Lumpenproletariat of frightening proportions. The electorate has failed Scottish Labour. Aye, we know you've thought of that wee pearl. What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Now they've moved blindly and unquestioningly to the SNP with their appalling candidates. Do you think that's healthy? Your last sentence sounds dangerously like the ravings of a certain notorious person of history who though he dragged it into the abyss, believed his country had ultimately failed him. You're outdoing yourself for fatuous and sanctimonious statements tonight. I'll try to flag up sarcasm in my posts if it's really that difficult to understand. But for the hard of thinking: I do not actually believe the electorate has failed Scottish Labour. Do you actually disagree that Labour has been taking the Scottish electorate for granted for the last half century? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Labour will have to do a deal with the SNP , they have no option Why? The SNP have shown their hand, they won't work with the Tories. Miliband knows he'll have their support on most issues so no reason for him to offer any sort of deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why? The SNP have shown their hand, they won't work with the Tories. Miliband knows he'll have their support on most issues so no reason for him to offer any sort of deal. I would like to see them try to get their cuts through a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Labour will have to do a deal with the SNP , they have no option Can you explain why they'll HAVE TO. Ed has said no deal. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I'll try to flag up sarcasm in my posts if it's really that difficult to understand. But for the hard of thinking: I do not actually believe the electorate has failed Scottish Labour. Do you actually disagree that Labour has been taking the Scottish electorate for granted for the last half century? The first point, maybe the Scottish electorate couldnt or weren't willing enough to change as much as the Labour Party had to in order to defeat the Tories and progress into the 21st century.. Though there was little complaint when Blair won three elections in a row. The second point, absolutely. And why wouldn't they? The people continued to vote unthinkingly as you suggest in their droves. That was not healthy either. Who spoke for non-Labour supporters in Scotland? No one did. But there was little complaint and much laughter over the Tory virtual wipe-out. The answer is not to resort to nationalism. But it has an infernal grip at the moment. Surely you're intelligent enough to see through the economic illiteracy of SNP 'plans'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GYL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Now they've moved blindly and unquestioningly to the SNP with their appalling candidates. Do you think that's healthy? Your last sentence sounds dangerously like the ravings of a certain notorious person of history who though he dragged it into the abyss, believed his country had ultimately failed him. You're outdoing yourself for fatuous and sanctimonious statements tonight. TJ i take exception to that...... name names...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why? The SNP have shown their hand, they won't work with the Tories. Miliband knows he'll have their support on most issues so no reason for him to offer any sort of deal. I think he is between a rock and a hard place. He either works with them (without an official deal) or tries to freeze them out. I think the latter has worse consequences for him than the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I would like to see them try to get their cuts through a vote. Might be tricky yes but doesn't mean they HAVE to do a deal with the SNP does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Can you explain why they'll HAVE TO. Ed has said no deal. End of. How are they going to govern , they dont have the numbers Check what the rest of his party is saying He has no option no matter what he says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) TJ i take exception to that...... name names...... Mhairi Black - wants to head butt people Brendan O' Hare - bigot (there is a petition to have him removed as candidate) Neil Hay- twitter troll - thinks older people are out of touch Margaret Farrier - economic illiterate who spends her time at IRA memorials Edited May 3, 2015 by Trapper John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) I think he is between a rock and a hard place. He either works with them (without an official deal) or tries to freeze them out. I think the latter has worse consequences for him than the former. Yes i agree, he seems to have taken a hard line on them so far though. I think it'll be another Tory/Lib Dem coalition anyway thankfully. Edited May 3, 2015 by Arnold Rothstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I would like to see them try to get their cuts through a vote.Tory abstention = budget passed. Tory and SNP vote against a Budget = vote of confidence. Shades of 1979 all over again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) How are they going to govern , they dont have the numbers Check what the rest of his party is saying He has no option no matter what he says He'll govern because SNP will vote with Labour on common manifesto matters or they will look even more stupid. They do not actually need an arrangement, a deal or a coalition just as Harold Wilson soldiered on with a minority government. Do you believe SNP will want 3 elections in a year? Edited May 3, 2015 by JamboAl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) The first point, maybe the Scottish electorate couldnt or weren't willing enough to change as much as the Labour Party had to in order to defeat the Tories and progress into the 21st century.. Though there was little complaint when Blair won three elections in a row. The second point, absolutely. And why wouldn't they? The people continued to vote unthinkingly as you suggest in their droves. That was not healthy either. Who spoke for non-Labour supporters in Scotland? No one did. But there was little complaint and much laughter over the Tory virtual wipe-out. The answer is not to resort to nationalism. But it has an infernal grip at the moment. Surely you're intelligent enough to see through the economic illiteracy of SNP 'plans'? Whose nationalism poses the greater threat to us at the moment? The one that is going to see us forced into a referendum on Europe or the SNP's version? I have no great hopes for anyone's economic policy, that's true, but I do know that in my lifetime every time Labour has been voted out of office they have left the economy in tatters. Edited May 3, 2015 by leginten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Whose nationalism poses the greater threat to us at the moment? The one that is going to see us forced into a referendum on Europe or the SNP's version? I have no great hopes for anyone's economic policy, that's true, but I do know that in my lifetime every time Labour has been voted out of office the economy has been left in tatters. I don't know why anyone should be worried about an EU referendum. No way will the British people vote to leave. Are you saying people should not have the right to decide? And are your saying the Tories have better economic policies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 He'll govern because SNP will vote with Labour on common manifesto matters or they will look even more stupid. They do not actually need an arrangement, a deal or a coalition just as Harold Wilson soldiered on with a minority government. Do you believe SNP will want 3 elections in a year? They will talk or there is no cetainty that they will get SNP backing SNP will only deal with Labour if they change their plan for austerity 3 elections is up to Labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 They will talk or there is no cetainty that they will get SNP backing SNP will only deal with Labour if they change their plan for austerity 3 elections is up to Labour I think the make-up of this Parliament will be a learning curve to the new SNP members. The SNP will be sidelined or be put into "back me or sack me" positions. If tackling austerity meant as much to them as they claim they wouldn't have given Labour a free kick in supporting a Labour Queen's Speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GYL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Mhairi Black - wants to head butt people Brendan O' Hare - bigot (there is a petition to have him removed as candidate) Neil Hay- twitter troll - thinks older people are out of touch Margaret Farrier - economic illiterate who spends her time at IRA memorials I know Mhairi ...daft lassie comments i agree, but doesn't make her wrong with her socialist stance in Paisley. If she beats Douglas Alexander then that shows a big will of the people in Paisley. However TJ i sense a different reason for your dislike of SNP Candidates....Unionist ( Jack ) leanings perhaps..... And PS you named 4 from 59..... Edited May 3, 2015 by GYL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 They will talk or there is no cetainty that they will get SNP backing SNP will only deal with Labour if they change their plan for austerity 3 elections is up to Labour Or need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I don't know why anyone should be worried about an EU referendum. No way will the British people vote to leave. Are you saying people should not have the right to decide? And are your saying the Tories have better economic policies? I wouldn't be so confident about the outcome of any EU referendum. I'm not at all confident about it. While I am no admirer of the Tories, I feel they are consistently considerably less incompetent than Labour on the economy, yes. Not that that would be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Rothstein Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I think the make-up of this Parliament will be a learning curve to the new SNP members. The SNP will be sidelined or be put into "back me or sack me" positions. If tackling austerity meant as much to them as they claim they wouldn't have given Labour a free kick in supporting a Labour Queen's Speech. Absolutely spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Absolutely spot on. Yes, 59 MPs is only 9% of seats. A minor party in the UK that Scotland voted to stay in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I know Mhairi ...daft lassie comments i agree, but doesn't make her wrong with her socialist stance in Paisley. If she beats Douglas Alexander then that shows a big will of the people in Paisley. However TJ i sense a different reason for your dislike of SNP Candidates....Unionist ( Jack ) leanings perhaps..... And PS you named 4 from 59..... You mean there's more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I wouldn't be so confident about the outcome of any EU referendum. I'm not at all confident about it. While I am no admirer of the Tories, I feel they are consistently considerably less incompetent than Labour on the economy, yes. Not that that would be difficult. Britain will remain in the EU. Have faith in common sense. Surely then you can see through the SNP's economic fantasy? Beware false prophets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 He won't win. When he gets gubbed I will personally waggle my nob out the window and post the photo. and Anne Begg will retain Aberdeen South so I will waggle it twice. Should have donated your betting money to charity instead of punting on hopeless causes . http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GYL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 You mean there's more? No i mean your appalling sweeping comment "SNP with their appalling candidates" but you know that and are embarrassed by that already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GYL Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Should have donated your betting money to charity instead of punting on hopeless causes . http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Gordon Aye or a willy extension....cause you ain't gonna see it...lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Britain will remain in the EU. Have faith in common sense. Surely then you can see through the SNP's economic fantasy? Beware false prophets... In Daily Mail Middle England there is vast resentment of the EU. Be over-confident at your peril. I don't believe in prophets, messiahs or panaceas. But your lot has had its shot for the last 50 years, and much of Scotland is in a bloody mess as a result. That's what this is about. Change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 In Daily Mail Middle England there is vast resentment of the EU. Be over-confident at your peril. I don't believe in prophets, messiahs or panaceas. But your lot has had its shot for the last 50 years, and much of Scotland is in a bloody mess as a result. That's what this is about. Change. The English are in the main a sensible bunch. I've faith in them. If we are in a mess it's not the Labour Party's fault. And anyway, what mess? Are we Greece, Spain, Italy? Why do many EU residents come here to work if we are in such a state? Nationalism does not represent change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) No i mean your appalling sweeping comment "SNP with their appalling candidates" but you know that and are embarrassed by that already I am not embarassed. Then again, the SNP never is either. Edited May 3, 2015 by Trapper John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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