graygo Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Any more on the alleged electoral fraud in Glasgow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Wouldn't read too much into it. There's pure huners of people from both camps keeping watch. Any mistake that blatant will be picked up on That's just verified votes they have still to be mixed and counted I guess , just put on table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Hughesie that will be picked up by the checkers. It's so obvious. No way it's deliberate fraud that one, you wouldn't put the wrong paper on top deliberately if you were trying to be sneaky. Or they have yet to be sorted, might just be on the table for being counted. Edited September 18, 2014 by jambo1185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Google it. I did, and didn't find everything. Or listen to the evidence posted here in the last half hour. There's no evidence here, only conjecture. Maybe someone who knows more about the industry and the way odds are set could shed light on it. What's been said here by some people is that the bookies know more than we do about the count. They don't, and there's no evidence that they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Any more on the alleged electoral fraud in Glasgow? Aileen Clarke ?@BBCAileenClarke 1m Police investigating allegations of electoral fraud in Glasgow. It relates to 10 votes cast in various polling stations around the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 10? Wonder what it is. People turning up to find someone has voted in their name? Why don't you need ID to vote here (in any election)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Aileen Clarke ?@BBCAileenClarke 1m Police investigating allegations of electoral fraud in Glasgow. It relates to 10 votes cast in various polling stations around the city. Why would anyone risk a jail sentence for 10 lousy votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Is it just me or do the 'YES' panelists look defeated? Just watched our Justice Minister on STV and he looked like he wanted to burst into tears, mind you, he was clinging onto the turnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Rumour that Glasgow 54-46 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 This was doing the rounds earlier. I reported to electoral commission & police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 10? Wonder what it is. People turning up to find someone has voted in their name? Why don't you need ID to vote here (in any election)? A barrier to voting. Not everybody has a passport or even a bank statement they can easily access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 10? Wonder what it is. People turning up to find someone has voted in their name? Why don't you need ID to vote here (in any election)? That's what's alleged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Why would anyone risk a jail sentence for 10 lousy votes? Just crazy...!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Why don't you need ID to vote here (in any election)? You risk disenfranchising people. Not everyone would have a photo ID (e.g. passport). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 A barrier to voting. Not everybody has a passport or even a bank statement they can easily access. But surely you should at least need your polling card (or further ID if you don't have it...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Rumour that Glasgow 54-46 yes If that was the case then lump on Yes now at the bookies as that is 1/8th of the total vote in the country and would be very significant but still would question that split A high turmout increases the chances of poll errors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 It's a system where in the UKs case the 4 parts (Scot, Eng, Wal & NI) all have their own governments but share power with a central power. Each part could raise own local taxes to a certain extent & the federal (central) government would also collect taxes. I guess it's kinda like Devo Max for each of the UKs nations - we'd share defence & foreign policy etc. Hope that makes sense thanks to both! Cleared that up for me to an extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 If that was the case then lump on Yes now at the bookies as that is 1/8th of the total vote in the country and would be very significant but still would question that split A high turmout increases the chances of poll errors Guys on BBC said if Glasgow is close then No will likely win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogsy Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I would say if you don't have your polling card you should be required to have photo ID. To have neither and still be able to vote seems madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart McNeill Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 10 votes out of 486k votes. Not even worth it tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 If that was the case then lump on Yes now at the bookies as that is 1/8th of the total vote in the country and would be very significant but still would question that split Yep. At the moment given the YouGov work published tonight you might find Glasgow ending up with a result something like 46-54 in favour of No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Think that photo was from Dundee and they have tweeted and said the papers havent been sorted as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosscoC Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Absolutely fascinating chat from two historians on BbC2. Really interesting. Agree. Basically said there is not a hope in hell that Browns timetable is realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Rumour that Glasgow 54-46 yes Rumour that Glasgow 54-46 yes seeing as the live shot in Glasgow showed most tables with out ballets I highly doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Guys on BBC said if Glasgow is close then No will likely win Kellner (YouGov) and Boon (ICM) were two of them. Who was the third? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Kellner (YouGov) and Boon (ICM) were two of them. Who was the third? Think they said Survation - didn't catch his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JyTees Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I did, and didn't find everything. There's no evidence here, only conjecture. Maybe someone who knows more about the industry and the way odds are set could shed light on it. What's been said here by some people is that the bookies know more than we do about the count. They don't, and there's no evidence that they do. Sorry, Uly, I'm not in the habit of videoing what I watch. The conjecture makes sense. What you're saying goes against it! All I know is the bookies very rarely get it wrong on these occasions, if ever. Their record on these things is far superior to the pollsters and political journalists. Maybe their techniques are better than the old tried and tested, maybe it's witchcraft. I don't know. Let's wait and see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Guys on BBC said if Glasgow is close then No will likely win If Glasgow says yes along with South Lanarkshire then that is 2 of the 5 biggest areas in the country...Yes would be a very good bet (or at least a much better bet) in that case and the current anticipation of the No success in the vote may be in some doubt and the odds on offer would be well out of sinc from the reality Edited September 18, 2014 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 All I know is the bookies very rarely get it wrong on these occasions, if ever. I'm not saying they do. My point is that any suggestion that the bookies know more about the count than you and I do is inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Kellner (YouGov) and Boon (ICM) were two of them. Who was the third? Mori was the 3rd company on Radio Scotland an hour ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Kellner (YouGov) and Boon (ICM) were two of them. Who was the third? Duplicate. Edited September 18, 2014 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) 10 votes out of 486k votes. Not even worth it tbh. 10 that they are aware of. Could be the tip of the iceberg and equally could just be 10. Interesting story. And I'm fairly sure there have been more than 486 000 votes. Edited September 18, 2014 by Smack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 10 votes out of 486k votes. Not even worth it tbh. Worse than that, must be over 4 million votes no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Kellner (YouGov) and Boon (ICM) were two of them. Who was the third? Duplicate. Edited September 18, 2014 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Dundee showing a lower turnout compared to those announced so far...79% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 A few unconfirmed reports via https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO Dundee 90% Turnout, 70% Yes. Glasgow: Yes "well ahead" STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Worse than that, must be over 4 million votes no? 486,000 is the number of registered voters in Glagow, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Is that a confirmed result for North Lanarkshire? Folk are just shouting stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Hearing East Lothian 62% No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 A few unconfirmed reports via https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO Dundee 90% Turnout, 70% Yes. Glasgow: Yes "well ahead" STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote Well he's out on the first one already. 54% isn't enough for Yes in Glasgow without big gains elsewhere. That's why they are a bit flat. 62% No in East Lothian as predicted would be a good result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A few unconfirmed reports via https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO Dundee 90% Turnout, 70% Yes. Glasgow: Yes "well ahead" STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote We have two rumours about the Dundee turnout saying completely different things. There's no hope of a decent tally yet because the votes are still being sorted - and that's even more the case in Glasgow. It's too early to tell, and as I said already if Dundee votes 70-71 Yes then the nationwide result would be 2-to-1 in favour of Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Just read that there is 422k English born people living in Scotland and eligible to vote and 680k Scottish born people living in England who can't vote, wonder how that would change the result if it was reversed. (reversed is probs not the correct term but you'll know what I mean) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMac Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A few unconfirmed reports via https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO Dundee 90% Turnout, 70% Yes. Glasgow: Yes "well ahead" STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote make things up much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A few unconfirmed reports via https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO Dundee 90% Turnout, 70% Yes. Glasgow: Yes "well ahead" STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote Dundee Council have already confirmed at 78.8% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A few unconfirmed reports via https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO Dundee 90% Turnout, 70% Yes. Glasgow: Yes "well ahead" STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote Yes camp 'insiders' say they need at least 65% in Dundee to drag them over the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 486,000 is the number of registered voters in Glagow, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sheldon Cooper Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I would say if you don't have your polling card you should be required to have photo ID. To have neither and still be able to vote seems madness. I agree. I was working in one of the polling stations in Edinburgh and as long as someone gave a name and address that matched what we had on the list, they got a ballot paper. Bit ridiculous tbh. Quite a few folk turned up with passports etc and we just turned a blind eye. Thankfully no duplicate vote issues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Heres the yes rating thing - http://independencerally.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Dundee 78.8% turnout confirmed on BBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No vote in Edinburgh postal a could be as much as 70% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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