Hasselhoff Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Fascinating to watch on bbc news channel. Managed to get some sleep between 10 and 1, will try and stay awake for the rest. Who cares about work in the morning!!! Pleasing results so far and the fact that yes centric glasgow and Dundee have relatively lower turnouts is good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 1 vote in it in Inverclyde?? No way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) 1 vote in it in Inverclyde?? No way.... Not a valid reason for a recount and in the grand scheme of things, unlike a normal election it matters not a jot. Edit: Pretty incredible though. Edited September 19, 2014 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 do we have any evidence that young people have vored yes? ulyseses? I don't know - it was CJGJ that made the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 SNP official says if we get 40% in Edinburgh we,ll be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking like 61% No in Edinburgh Yes supporters leaving East Lothian Count En Masse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Not a valid reason for a recount and in the grand scheme of things, unlike a normal election it matters not a jot. Oh I know It's just amazing that in a voting area of thousands of votes it can be so evenly split Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Oh I know It's just amazing that in a voting area of thousands of votes it can be so evenly split Agreed, my edit was too slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes activists saying they think No have squeaked it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Only 75% turnout in Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Under 80% turnout in Glasgow is a huge surprise. Just how disengaged do you need to be to not vote in an election like this? What would it take to enthuse these people? Is it even possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes activists saying they think No have squeaked it Squeaked Inverclyde? I'd be surprised if that were the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Under 80% turnout in Glasgow is a huge surprise. Just how disengaged do you need to be to not vote in an election like this? What would it take to enthuse these people? Is it even possible? Don't think this was quite the case. Maybe the undecideds never decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Looks like Aberdeenshire has gone NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Lesley Riddoch and Michael Forsyth on the same panel... The political equivalent of scraping nails across a blackboard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Under 80% turnout in Glasgow is a huge surprise. Just how disengaged do you need to be to not vote in an election like this? What would it take to enthuse these people? Is it even possible? Could be a large immigrant population? I work with a lot of people from Poland to Sudan to Hungary to Nepal who won't vote as they feel like they shouldn't get involved in another countries politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 CJGJ It is well recognised that voting habits change in a lot of people as they get older As young voters now get older, get jobs, have families and start thinking about things like pensions and owning houses a lot of them will vote differently. The young that have voted yes this time will not all vote yes in 30 years You can take that to the bank Do I get something in return ? The reason I posted re that matter is this. Within the last 30 years we have seen support steadily rise for independance and given that it is I feel inevitable we will see it arrive as part of a natural process. This vote will also have increased support amongst Scots for that view but we are not talking about next week or next year of course. The move towards federalism and more powers will give us Scots the confidence we can run matters effectively and once the fear disappears (or lack of confidence if you wish) we will see support rise..........As I say what might change everything is the rise in English Nationalism that will result and with it a feeling of being dominated rather than being in partnership with England. That will mean change will come... but it's just an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Glasgow thinking they are the be all and end all as per usual.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Under 80% turnout in Glasgow is a huge surprise. Just how disengaged do you need to be to not vote in an election like this? What would it take to enthuse these people? Is it even possible? Keeping the pubs open all night probably sounded like such a good idea at first. Can't be good for the Yes vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Lesley Riddoch is taking Yes's probale defeat very badly. It's a numbers game; being a "grassroots" campaign doesn't matter if they are a minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Squeaked Inverclyde? I'd be surprised if that were the case. Sorry - North LAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Do I get something in return ? The reason I posted re that matter is this. Within the last 30 years we have seen support steadily rise for independance and given that it is I feel inevitable we will see it arrive as part of a natural process. This vote will also have increased support amongst Scots for that view but we are not talking about next week or next year of course. The move towards federalism and more powers will give us Scots the confidence we can run matters effectively and once the fear disappears (or lack of confidence if you wish) we will see support rise..........As I say what might change everything is the rise in English Nationalism that will result and with it a feeling of being dominated rather than being in partnership with England. That will mean change will come... but it's just an opinion. I don't agree with him but salmond was an excellent political leader for the yes vote Without such leadership that plays to the audience - very well - the vote wouldn't be anywhere near as close as it was or might be I doubt the independence movement will get such an effective leader again any time soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Under 80% turnout in Glasgow is a huge surprise. Just how disengaged do you need to be to not vote in an election like this? What would it take to enthuse these people? Is it even possible? Maybe some have overriding "priorities". I'd have made the effort in this one and I have never excercised that right in all my life. (not bragging about that fact) Edited September 19, 2014 by J.T.F.Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkster Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Under 45% will be an awful result for the Nats. It will be generational as Salmond said. They had won according to you even if humped 10 minutes ago. Turned the Proclaimers off, and stopped the Hibs chat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A predicted 60/40 for Non for Edinburgh ? Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Shetland says Naw. Yes: 5669 No: 9951 Edited September 19, 2014 by Arnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Some unconfirmed reports saying Shetland has voted No. EDIT: Confirmed now. Edited September 19, 2014 by Eckauskas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 0-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't agree with him but salmond was an excellent political leader for the yes vote Without such leadership that plays to the audience - very well - the vote wouldn't be anywhere near as close as it was or might be I doubt the independence movement will get such an effective leader again any time soon I think you may find they already believe they have one ready to step in.......one who in all the polls is more highly thought of at present than Salmond. He is a fine advocate but does split opinion amongst many non SNP voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Swinney looks horrendous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Mind you only about 43 people's votes have been counted so far.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 does anyone think salmond will step down tomorrow morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think you may find they already believe they have one ready to step in.......one who in all the polls is more highly thought of at present than Salmond. He is a fine advocate but does split opinion amongst many non SNP voters. Not what is needed then, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Under 80% turnout in Glasgow is a huge surprise. Just how disengaged do you need to be to not vote in an election like this? What would it take to enthuse these people? Is it even possible? Another factor is the quality of the register - a certain percentage of the register in big cities is always out of date, so it's much harder to get a very high percentage turnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Keep it pleasant.....would be a shame to have to ban people from this thread at this monumental stage.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Glasgow thinking they are the be all and end all as per usual.... I don't know what you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Keep it pleasant.....would be a shame to have to ban people from this thread at this monumental stage.... I'd like to echo this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Wings Over Scotland has just conceded. This truly gladdens the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfaces Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Does that mean he gets to keep all the crowd funded cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another factor is the quality of the register - a certain percentage of the register in big cities is always out of date, so it's much harder to get a very high percentage turnout. It shouldn't be if the law is applied correctly. Information that is more than two years old without a refresh via Canvass or other info should result in removal from the Register. There was a lot of flak for Glasgow for doing exactly that in March this year. When we get to see full statistical data, it might be seen that the surge in late registration is simply those who lapsed rejoining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 do we have any evidence that young people have vored yes? ulyseses? I suppose it boils down to what you determine as young... but 25 to 34 years of age heavily pro indepedence in the last polls for example.. Men favoured independence by 53 to 47, while women were opposed by 42 to 58. People aged 25 to 34 were the most passionate supporters of independence, dividing 73 to 27 for Yes. Those aged over-55 were split two-to-one in favour of No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 [modedit] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Wings Over Scotland has just conceded. "The people have failed us. It is time to elect a new people." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 "The people have failed us. It is time to elect a new people." Sheridan has been having a meltdown too. 'Power to the People (so long as the people agree with me)!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 It shouldn't be if the law is applied correctly. Information that is more than two years old without a refresh via Canvass or other info should result in removal from the Register. There was a lot of flak for Glasgow for doing exactly that in March this year. When we get to see full statistical data, it might be seen that the surge in late registration is simply those who lapsed rejoining. But in big urban areas where people shift addresses frequently, the register can get out of date much more quickly than two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) It shouldn't be if the law is applied correctly. Information that is more than two years old without a refresh via Canvass or other info should result in removal from the Register. There was a lot of flak for Glasgow for doing exactly that in March this year. When we get to see full statistical data, it might be seen that the surge in late registration is simply those who lapsed rejoining. We do have approx 97% registered for the vote in this country so not too shabby. Edited September 19, 2014 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 When will the results start rolling in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Whit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 My early opinion is that just because you can shout louder, doesn't necessarily make you right. Seems very apt just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Christ - I understand about half the Gaelic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) W Isles now. Naw. Yes: 9195 No: 10544 Edited September 19, 2014 by Arnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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