Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 There's actually a bigger population in the county of Yorkshire than there is in the country of Scotland. I'm not sure of the point though? Has anyone asked the people of Yorkshire if they'd like more autonomy? Perhaps they don't particularly want Westminster running their affairs? The point was related to what you were saying about Scotland probably getting none of what's been promised if the country votes no (which, by the way, is probably what will happen. You know politicians). If the referendum results in a no vote then I don't see why Scotland should be any more entitled to new powers than any other area of the country. If Scotland votes yes then it can have all the powers it likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'd like to keep using the money that's in my pocket. I've been told enough times that it's not accepted in England anyway, so I can't see how it will make a difference in the long term. If we have to switch to something else, then so be it. Your coins aren't accepted in England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'll buy your season ticket off you I'll have dual nationality, so it'd be getting used. Ahem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I don't think it will tbh, sure there will be some of the mentalists on either side getting angry and the like but it'll be a minority. Think the majority of people will just get on with their lives. I doubt if there will be any major issues; the Scots are not the "take to the barricades" type of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'll have dual nationality, so it'd be getting used. Ahem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'd like to keep using the money that's in my pocket. I've been told enough times that it's not accepted in England anyway, so I can't see how it will make a difference in the long term. If we have to switch to something else, then so be it. A cabbie saying "I'm not taking that mate" - which last happened to me in about 2001 - is so far removed from the actual reality of the issues here. Which is why Salmond was so flippant about it in the debate, bringing it up, along with his Panda joke (4 times). People know about the grumpy cabbie with a chip on his shoulder and he's trying to equate a rUK which wants no truck with CU as that cab driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1185 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Interesting indeed. "We know that the currency of an independent Scotland will be the pound - even Alistair Darling has conceded this - and the Scottish Government has a range of options, but favours a solution that makes continuing trade between Scotland and rUK free of transaction costs. Such a solution is more beneficial to rUK than to Scotland because Scotland imports more from rUK than it exports. It is the one plus on rUK's balance of trade. Scotland on the other hand has a healthy balance of trade surplus." The way that article reads, it sounds like Osborne shot himself in the foot. Impressive twisting of logic there. Scotland relies on rUK for trade to a much greater extent than rUK does on Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 BP statement: http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/press/press-releases/bp-public-statement-on-scotland.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 BBC News has been doing a roadmap if there is a YES vote or a NO vote. If it's No this time, look forward to it all happening again around 2020. And the way the UK is going just now it is likely to be a landslide YES (my opinion). It might just be better to go just now than in 5 - 7 years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoJack Horseman Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Your coins aren't accepted in England? Fair point Geoff. My UK minted coins are indeed accepted. My Scottish issued bank notes however, not so much. A cabbie saying "I'm not taking that mate" - which last happened to me in about 2001 - is so far removed from the actual reality of the issues here. Which is why Salmond was so flippant about it in the debate, bringing it up, along with his Panda joke (4 times). People know about the grumpy cabbie with a chip on his shoulder and he's trying to equate a rUK which wants no truck with CU as that cab driver. My Clydesdale ?20 was refused in a Cineworld cinema just outside London in about 2008. It still gives me nightmares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Statement from Standard Life: (apologies if posted) http://www.standardlife.com/utility/customer_statement-2.html I think Prudential might already have said something similar. An interesting one to watch would be the Strathclyde Pension Fund - one of the biggest and probably one of the best run pension funds in public sector (assets of circa ?14bn). I expect there is a fiduciary duty to look after the best interests of its members. A quick scan of its main shareholdings doesn't reveal much investment in Scottish companies but it is interesting to see Microsoft, Apple and Nintendo in there! I doubt it would or could move south but next year's annual report will be interesting if there is a Yes vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Ron, could you ever see Canada adopting the US dollar rather than the loonie? Geoff, it's so improbable that it has never been discussed. And because it hasn't been discussed, I've no idea of the pros and cons to such an arrangement. Public sentiment in Canada would be strongly opposed, if that means anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Fair point Geoff. My UK minted coins are indeed accepted. My Scottish issued bank notes however, not so much. My Clydesdale ?20 was refused in a Cineworld cinema just outside London in about 2008. It still gives me nightmares. In fairness, the Clydesdale seems to devote themselves to making the most ludicrous banknotes in history. It's not a proper bank anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westbow Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Was listening to the Jeremy Vine show due to it being between Ken Bruce and Steve wright. What a stirring prick that guy is. His phone in was about the views of other UK (non voting) people on the referendum. He got a Welsh guy on that stated good luck to the Scots as everyone in the world hates the English. Then he got some northern English guy who said "Scots" should "get slung out of the UK and don't think you're getting the oil, we're keeping it". No need for it. He went fishing for extreme views and you'll always get a nutter or two. I know it's his job to be controversial but that was just moronic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Your coins aren't accepted in England? Loads of my ?1 coins aren't accepted at Tesco self service tills. (I've heard anything from 10 - 40% in circulation at any moment in times are fake) It's LRT I feel sorry for who eventually get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Geoff, it's so improbable that it has never been discussed. And because it hasn't been discussed, I've no idea of the pros and cons to such an arrangement. Public sentiment in Canada would be strongly opposed, if that means anything. Quite. So why would the UK accept Alex Salmond's desire to share sterling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosscoC Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 skinnybob72 - how long do you think you'll be working there if there is a Yes vote? What do you think will happen to financial services jobs following a yes vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 My Clydesdale ?20 was refused in a Cineworld cinema just outside London in about 2008. It still gives me nightmares. You think that's bad - when I used to live daan saaf, I remember vividly going into a corner shop to buy odds and ends...had no dosh and their switch machine was broken, so I went to the cash machine, INSIDE the shop, and took out ?20... Machine only went and gave me a scottish bank note, which the grocer promptly refused to accept, even though he stood and watched me take it out his machine. As I was feeling fragile from the Saturday night before, I went home with my tail between my legs. AND NO ******* IRN-BRU. Gah - I hate greengrocers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 What do you think will happen to financial services jobs following a yes vote? What Financial Services Industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Clydesdale is an Oz Bank along with the Yorkshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Dexter thanks for answering that for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 What Financial Services Industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosscoC Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 What Financial Services Industry. Very good. I don't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosscoC Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 What Financial Services Industry. Very good. I don't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thunderstruck Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I got money in Belfast that wasn't accepted in Glasgow on return. Gave it to charity (as I do with any currency on way home (?, $, Aus$, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The second piece is by Simon Heffer who, in all honesty, has never visited the real world or mingled with people below the top-rate tax band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbank2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So the big 3 (???????) have worked out how to punch "Scotland" into their Sat Nav's. What happened to theit buddy Nigel's invite? After all, he represents more of the grass roots English opinion than any of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So the big 3 (???????) have worked out how to punch "Scotland" into their Sat Nav's. What happened to theit buddy Nigel's invite? After all, he represents more of the grass roots English opinion than any of them? Farage is up Friday and if he doesn't convince you , then we have a load of tango men coming over from Northern Ireland to ask us to stay in the Union by marching up and down the streets of the Capital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The second piece is by Simon Heffer who, in all honesty, has never visited the real world or mingled with people below the top-rate tax band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) BP statement: http://www.bp.com/en...n-scotland.html There we go then... "?As a major investor in Scotland ? now and into the future ? BP believes that the future prospects for the North Sea are best served by maintaining the existing capacity and integrity of the United Kingdom.? Edited September 10, 2014 by heartsfc_fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I thought someone would like that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So i cant believe that Better Together have been so naive to think that less that with 8 days to go that a combination of The Prime Minister/Deputy Prime MInister and LEader of the Opposition will sway the undecided. They should have been 'campaigning' for better together for over a year now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So i cant believe that Better Together have been so naive to think that less that with 8 days to go that a combination of The Prime Minister/Deputy Prime MInister and LEader of the Opposition will sway the undecided. They should have been 'campaigning' for better together for over a year now. Well, at least they've left it until the stage where people actually care. A year ago I'd have flicked over the telly and watched The Cube Celebrity Special instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 A year ago I'd have flicked over the telly and watched The Cube Celebrity Special instead. Potentially as enlightening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) So i cant believe that Better Together have been so naive to think that less that with 8 days to go that a combination of The Prime Minister/Deputy Prime MInister and LEader of the Opposition will sway the undecided. They should have been 'campaigning' for better together for over a year now. Edited September 10, 2014 by Brandt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Whittaker's Tache Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Sending the three party leaders to Scotland is like trying to convince a lover to take you back by reminding them that you shit the bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The point was related to what you were saying about Scotland probably getting none of what's been promised if the country votes no (which, by the way, is probably what will happen. You know politicians). If the referendum results in a no vote then I don't see why Scotland should be any more entitled to new powers than any other area of the country. If Scotland votes yes then it can have all the powers it likes That's not what you're getting voting no though is it? You're getting new (as yet unquantified) powers whether you voted for them or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 There we go then... "?As a major investor in Scotland ? now and into the future ? BP believes that the future prospects for the North Sea are best served by maintaining the existing capacity and integrity of the United Kingdom.? 'As a large business in the UK we feel our profit margins are best served by the huge amounts of cash we pump into the conservative party coffers.' What Sir Ian Wood really wanted to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 That's not what you're getting voting no though is it? You're getting new (as yet unquantified) powers whether you voted for them or not. You think? I reckon the plans will be dumped in a filing cabinet six miles below Westminster as the government concentrates on other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 BP statement: http://www.bp.com/en...n-scotland.html So BP have come out in favour of the Union. Scaremongering no doubt - considering the SNP and others try to claim that oil is just a bonus - despite it making up 15% of our economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 You think? I reckon the plans will be dumped in a filing cabinet six miles below Westminster as the government concentrates on other things. What? You mean they're lying to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Well, at least they've left it until the stage where people actually care. A year ago I'd have flicked over the telly and watched The Cube Celebrity Special instead. Seems a bit late and half arsed in my opinion. The polls are neck in neck.. Quick up to Scotland. As if they dont actually care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Why is it every piece of news in favour of No is treated as scaremongering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Seems a bit late and half arsed in my opinion. The polls are neck in neck.. Quick up to Scotland. As if they dont actually care. I would wager that they had been told to stay away like BT. And no wonder - Salmond has said its now 'Team Scotland vs Team Westminster' Aye, Salmond, you speak for the whole of Scotland, right enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Why is it every piece of news in favour of No is treated as scaremongering? Because that is the answer when the Yes camp dont like the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4 Part B Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 'As a large business in the UK we feel our profit margins are best served by the huge amounts of cash we pump into the conservative party coffers.' What Sir Ian Wood really wanted to say. But that's not what he really said. I hope voters rely on facts rather than comments like the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Why is it every piece of news in favour of No is treated as scaremongering? Because some of it in the past has been shown to be unreliable? And because people who don't agree with it will say that it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Why is it every piece of news in favour of No is treated as scaremongering? 1. Guarded border controls 2. ?25bn to decommission Faslane v. ?2.5bn it is really 3. ?2.5bn to update all the computer systems which will need upgraded anyway - incrementally change was ?200m 4. Alluding that Scotland are subsidy junkies - There is a move in England to reduce block grant by ?6bn 5. Queen will publicly come out against Independence. 6. Scotland will be at threat of war and be a terrorist haven. The list goes on and on. Now these have't all come from the formal No campaign but have been reported one way or another across media outlets, that are primarily in the No camp. Douglas Alexander said that Alex Salmond will tell us anything to get a Yes vote. And do you know what I agree with Douglas Alexander. But don't anyone kid us on that No are being entirely thruthful either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 But that's not what he really said. I hope voters rely on facts rather than comments like the above. What he did say is that, in the opinion of BP, the best option for North Sea Oil is to remain in the UK. Why would anyone base their vote on what is good for BP? He doesn't say that it would be good for the Scots people or the economy, just that in that company's opinion it would be better. The only people who allow that sort of statement to influence their vote are those that feel that BP being unhappy may be a negative for Scotland (which I might add, he doesn't say, he says their will be continued spending in Scotland). As such, when used as a feather in the cap of BT, it is nothing more than scaremongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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