Rick Grimes Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 But as long as Dave King is lurking in the background, fans will cling to him being the savour to get them back to the free spending days. Rangers fans need to let go of him as you cant count on whether he will be there or not, in the meantime their club is at risk and being taken apart piece by piece. Indeed - and this fantasy is one of the reason they've not managed to galvanize themselves for any meaningful kind of action and likely never will. King could do them a favour by announcing he won't invest but I'm sure he won't. Sportsoud Extra yesterday had all the old Hun hacks moaning about a lack of competition in the league... Yeah, a two horse race is infinitely more enjoyable for the other ten teams, than a one horse race, right enough. Indeed, again. It was nauseating, kicked off by some loose words by Keith Jackson, though it was amusing to hear him backtracking and trying to explain himself out of a hole. He did, to be fair, point out the folly of chasing another sugar daddy and what that pursuit would mean for Rangers in the long term though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Sportsoud Extra yesterday had all the old Hun hacks moaning about a lack of competition in the league... Yeah, a two horse race is infinitely more enjoyable for the other ten teams, than a one horse race, right enough. Rangers will Never be able to provide any meaning full competition, with Champions league subsidy every year the tic will dominate for ever unless something dramatic happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 While the TFKAR's fans have shown a bit of loyalty, you're right, the real test for them is still to come. What I mean by that is their fans, like no other set of fans I've ever come across, get off on a sense of superiority. Let's not beat about the bush, virtually to a man, they are a collection of social incompetents who look to an association with a successful team as a sort of validation of themselves. Whilst they're pishin all over diddy teams, they can still tell themselves they're 'the people'. Any doubts I had in this respect were dispelled at the recent game when I watched them versus Dunfermline. Watching 'fans' celebrating and rubbing the noses of the locals in it in the boozer after the game was nauseating. However, When they come back up, if they still have no money to spend (as in the seventies and early eighties) and are miles behind Celtic then their gates will plummet. The whole reason the majority of their supporters follow follow, is to be one of 'the people' and when 'the People' are also rans, their fantasy of superiority is lost. The thought of Sevco being also rans in Celtic's slipstream for the next 20 years fills me with delight. The only reason the Sevco fans have continued to support their (new) team is the hate filled notion that the SFA tried to shaft their club. Slowly the realisation begins to hit home that , in fact , it was the fans of other clubs that caused their team to be dumped down in the 3rd div where they belong. Chuck the spivs into the mix and the money being leached out of the club and the impending and unavoidable financial implosion , you have a recipe for Sevco fans to really do walking away , in big numbers. It;s what they do when they can't win. It happened in the 70s and it happened in the 80s. It will happen again if/when Sevco get back into the top division and it becomes apparent that their team aren't capable of mounting a realistic challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The thought of Sevco being also rans in Celtic's slipstream for the next 20 years fills me with delight. The only reason the Sevco fans have continued to support their (new) team is the hate filled notion that the SFA tried to shaft their club. Slowly the realisation begins to hit home that , in fact , it was the fans of other clubs that caused their team to be dumped down in the 3rd div where they belong. Chuck the spivs into the mix and the money being leached out of the club and the impending and unavoidable financial implosion , you have a recipe for Sevco fans to really do walking away , in big numbers. It;s what they do when they can't win. It happened in the 70s and it happened in the 80s. It will happen again if/when Sevco get back into the top division and it becomes apparent that their team aren't capable of mounting a realistic challenge. No it wasn't. They were readmitted to the bottom division as a new club after the old one was liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandJambo Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 No it wasn't. They were shoehorned to the bottom division as a new club after the old one was liquidated. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If they do go into administration again do all the current shares become worthless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If they do go into administration again do all the current shares become worthless? Yes, but I am sure that the spivs will protects the assets and still end up owning the stadium, so anybody with a offer to take the club ouit of admin will only get the name, and be forced to lease the stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I wonder when Whyte will appear again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) If they do go into administration again do all the current shares become worthless? I would depend on whether the holding company RIFC or the Football Club TRFC goes into admin. Currently RIFC has no debt, while TRFC owes ?16M to RIFC (as at June 2013), so it would be more likely to see TRFC go under and sold off to "Rangers men" while RIFC took control of the club's assets. In that situation RIFC shares would probably retain their value. Edited January 20, 2014 by Footballfirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If they were to go into administration, until when would they have to remain that way for it to affect next season? 1 July? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If they were to go into administration, until when would they have to remain that way for it to affect next season? 1 July? I'm sure somebody said you have to exit administration before the 1st day of the season to avoid further penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So they are asking players to take a 15% cut, yet for a Monday night game at 7:45 they have gone up yesterday paid for an overnight in a 4 star hotel, having a nap in the afternoon, getting a light lunch, then onwards all prepared to the stadium....compare that to Forfars prep..Get up at 6ish of to work, a sarnie in a piece box, finish work about 5, might get a fish supper on way home off to the stadium and prepare for the game. How can Rangers justify paying that for a game an hour or so up the road, on a luxury bus, they could all get a long lie in make their way to the game by bus stop of and get a light late lunch and still be at the stadium prepared to play against a part time side, pretty much in a league that they have as good as won. This stinks of running down the cash float as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So they are asking players to take a 15% cut, yet for a Monday night game at 7:45 they have gone up yesterday paid for an overnight in a 4 star hotel, having a nap in the afternoon, getting a light lunch, then onwards all prepared to the stadium....compare that to Forfars prep..Get up at 6ish of to work, a sarnie in a piece box, finish work about 5, might get a fish supper on way home off to the stadium and prepare for the game. How can Rangers justify paying that for a game an hour or so up the road, on a luxury bus, they could all get a long lie in make their way to the game by bus stop of and get a light late lunch and still be at the stadium prepared to play against a part time side, pretty much in a league that they have as good as won. This stinks of running down the cash float as quickly as possible. I recon it's more delusion / denial than trying to deliberately run down cash. They just don't get it, they just don't understand that they cannot live a champagne lifestyle, on a lemonade budget. This attitude is what I recon is most likely to kill them, not the actions of the Spivs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So they are asking players to take a 15% cut, yet for a Monday night game at 7:45 they have gone up yesterday paid for an overnight in a 4 star hotel, having a nap in the afternoon, getting a light lunch, then onwards all prepared to the stadium....compare that to Forfars prep..Get up at 6ish of to work, a sarnie in a piece box, finish work about 5, might get a fish supper on way home off to the stadium and prepare for the game. How can Rangers justify paying that for a game an hour or so up the road, on a luxury bus, they could all get a long lie in make their way to the game by bus stop of and get a light late lunch and still be at the stadium prepared to play against a part time side, pretty much in a league that they have as good as won. This stinks of running down the cash float as quickly as possible. When the old club was in admin, they still paid for an overnight stay in the Dalmahoy when they played us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I recon it's more delusion / denial than trying to deliberately run down cash. They just don't get it, they just don't understand that they cannot live a champagne lifestyle, on a lemonade budget. This attitude is what I recon is most likely to kill them, not the actions of the Spivs. Correct , they just cant get over the fact the Bank of Scotland doesnt fund them anymore , GIRFUT is my feelings towards this ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The best bit for me is the shower of shite that they're funding this "champagne lifestyle" for. When the likes of Laudrup, Numan, DeBoer, Klos, Gascoigne etc were there it was possibly necessary to keep them happy but for stars like Dean Shiels, Ricky Foster, Bilel Moshni and Nicky Clark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdannyb Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Even the thickest Weegie ZombieFC fan must now be able to see that the "people" running their "club" are running it into the ground and administration and the subsequent liquidation is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandylejambo Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) No it wasn't. They were readmitted to the bottom division as a new club after the old one was liquidated. No they were stopped from being shunted straight back into the top division when fans told their clubs they wouldn't stand for the new club going straight back to where the old team came from, so the lad was correct in his statement. Edited January 20, 2014 by sandylejambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I see the directors and their wives went out for a lavish night out at 5* Mar Hall, but Fat Sally and the cardigan declined, so if it was at the clubs expense then there needs to be somebody there having a serious word with themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I see the directors and their wives went out for a lavish night out at 5* Mar Hall, but Fat Sally and the cardigan declined, so if it was at the clubs expense then there needs to be somebody there having a serious word with themselves. I think it's clear that Sally is fairly sneaky - on the one hand he has played a blinder with the fans and the board - but when push comes to shove he doesn't associate outside of work with the board in case it impacts on his ability to sway the feeble minded fans who effectively kept him in a job when Charles Green arrived. Edited January 20, 2014 by Mysterion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 No they were stopped from being shunted straight back into the top division when fans told their clubs they wouldn't stand for the new club going straight back to where the old team came from, so the lad was correct in his statement. No, your statement is correct. The lad's statement was "in fact , it was the fans of other clubs that caused their team to be dumped down in the 3rd div where they belong." which is different from yours and wrong. We might have stopped them going into a higher league but we didn't dump them in the 3rd. If / when we get relegated at the end of this season we for whatever reason asked to be allowed to re-enter the Premier division next year and other teams voted against it would that mean that they had dumped us down to the championship? My point is that I'm not happy to take any part of the blame for where they ended up, it was all their own doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Admin next month with a 25 point deduction. Seens fair enough.. Still see them promoted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 No, your statement is correct. The lad's statement was "in fact , it was the fans of other clubs that caused their team to be dumped down in the 3rd div where they belong." which is different from yours and wrong. We might have stopped them going into a higher league but we didn't dump them in the 3rd. If / when we get relegated at the end of this season we for whatever reason asked to be allowed to re-enter the Premier division next year and other teams voted against it would that mean that they had dumped us down to the championship? My point is that I'm not happy to take any part of the blame for where they ended up, it was all their own doing. My recollection is that after Sevco (rightly) didn't get into the SPL , the football "authorities" tried to get Sevco into Div1. That failed too. I seem to recall a lengthy protest up and down Scotland as fans refused to buy STs until they were told which way their club would vote on the matter. You ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 They were always going to be promoted. Edinburgh's Maroon Yup, thats why we want them to be wounded next season, a points deduction at the start of the season and hampered with their squad and who they can bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 My recollection is that after Sevco (rightly) didn't get into the SPL , the football "authorities" tried to get Sevco into Div1. That failed too. I seem to recall a lengthy protest up and down Scotland as fans refused to buy STs until they were told which way their club would vote on the matter. You ? Me? My recollection is that they got re-admitted to the bottom tier of Scottish Football, they were never in the top division or div1 so couldn't possibly have been "dumped" down to division 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yup, thats why we want them to be wounded next season, a points deduction at the start of the season and hampered with their squad and who they can bring in. I think if they are going into admin it will be controlled and will occur this season so they dont incur a points penalty next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I think if they are going into admin it will be controlled and will occur this season so they dont incur a points penalty next season. While I agree, that's exactly what was meant to happen last time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 They are hardly in "control" of their own affairs, they lurch from crisis to crisis largely self inflicted by their own stupidity and arrogance. What will be will be the timing of events is not in our control but neither I suspect theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 What the real scandal here is why the Sweet FA let this bunch of spivs back into football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 They are hardly in "control" of their own affairs, they lurch from crisis to crisis largely self inflicted by their own stupidity and arrogance. What will be will be the timing of events is not in our control but neither I suspect theirs. From our perspective,; early season tickets sales would be good news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdannyb Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You also have to remember that the ownership of Ibrox still isn't clear, nor is the outcome of the Serious Fraud Office investigation. Maybe the "people" in charge of "them" already know the outcome of both and are therefore blowing through as much cash as possible before everything implodes. Ever seen Brewsters' Millions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) You also have to remember that the ownership of Ibrox still isn't clear, nor is the outcome of the Serious Fraud Office investigation. Maybe the "people" in charge of "them" already know the outcome of both and are therefore blowing through as much cash as possible before everything implodes. Ever seen Brewsters' Millions ? . I think it's probably fair to say that those who are really in charge of Rangers affairs are not those in the Directors positions at the club. That's going to become abundantly clear over the next few months when the (big) house of cards finally collapses and they suffer another administration event. The ownership of the fixed assets will become crystal clear when that happens and the clubs true plight is finally exposed. Mayhem to follow no doubt. Edited January 21, 2014 by Deevers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If they go into administration again this season then the best we can hope for is a lengthy signing ban which will hopefully affect their chances to compete next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've not read too many Rangers forums to get the general consensus on St renewals however the handful I know are all planning on renewing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 [quote nT he spivs will continueame=The Gasman' timestamp='1390218246' post='4010518] I recon it's more delusion / denial than trying to deliberately run down cash. They just don't get it, they just don't understand that they cannot live a champagne lifestyle, on a lemonade budget. This attitude is what I recon is most likely to kill them, not the actions of the Spivs. The Spivs will continue to put there mouths in the trough until it is empty but the orcs keep filling it up however they are currently losing 1 million per month and have 2 months left of the share money to keep the bus rolling season ticket money will kick in to keep them going though unless the orcs decide enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 McCoist on the BBC website giving it the big clubs have standards, best possible preparation before a game chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So Fat Salary defends HIS decision to stay at Carnoustie before their game against Forfar, stating it gives his team the best chance to perform, "We are still Rangers Football club and will attempt to be as professional as we can" well your not Rangers you are sevco, and does being professional include the "We demand to know who these people are" moonbeam, Oh and if you continue to do a brewsters millions then you wont be for too much longer either. I can see the point if it was a lunch time kick off, but Carnoustie?????? Cut your cloth accordingly, its not Barca you were playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) So Fat Salary defends HIS decision to stay at Carnoustie before their game against Forfar, stating it gives his team the best chance to perform, "We are still Rangers Football club and will attempt to be as professional as we can" well your not Rangers you are sevco, and does being professional include the "We demand to know who these people are" moonbeam, Oh and if you continue to do a brewsters millions then you wont be for too much longer either. I can see the point if it was a lunch time kick off, but Carnoustie?????? Cut your cloth accordingly, its not Barca you were playing Now be fair to Sally. When the dead club were in administration they checked into the Balmoral before playing at Tynie. Edited January 21, 2014 by Geoff Kilpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Now be fair to Sally. When the dead club were in administration they checked into the Balmoral before playing at Tynie. Finally Scottish football has some consistency!! Interesting that Temps got a game now they need to shift players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Interesting interview of CEO Wallace by Tom English. Seems to be a reasonable sort and, whisper it, he seems to get it ! http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/tom-english-interviews-rangers-ceo-graham-wallace-1-3275716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Interesting interview of CEO Wallace by Tom English. Seems to be a reasonable sort and, whisper it, he seems to get it ! http://www.scotsman....llace-1-3275716 Interesting it may well be but will he actually be able to make the changes required? I very much doubt it. His answer to TE's question below is perhaps a typo but I hope not. TE: At that point you think the club will be a streamlined, functioning, non basket case economy? GW: I see no reason why we can?t build a foundation where the club can?t stand on its own two feet in a sustainable way. I see no reason why we can?t achieve that. IMHO they will go about their business talking the talk trying to curry favour with the fans bring out the old guard just before season tickets go on sale and then when they have conned them again back to the SEVCO normal. It may just be me but do you not get the impression that TE had a good deal of JIZZ dripping from his mouth during his interview? I suppose it makes a change from lamb gravy. TE the new SEVCO media sycophant. He will get Traynors old job soonenough perhaps. Edited January 21, 2014 by 7628mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Got no feelings about the various spivs, directors and money men, they're just faceless suits out for a payday. Maybe the fans have been under the radar for a long time or maybe I just listen to the wrong phone-ins, but the worst of them don't really bug me these days either, in fact fair play to all who have stuck with the club these past couple of years. The succulent lamb media apologists have all gone or gone quiet too. So TBH I think Sally's the worst thing about Rangers these days. It's the expectation that the natural way of things is for them to lord it over everyone else and splash money on players, fancy hotels and his wages. Even the achievement of climbing back up from where they started has been spoiled by his insistence on spunking money they can't afford to do it. Even as Rome's burning, he's probably dreaming of how many Air Miles he'll get for the Champs League group stages in a couple of years, because after all it's where they belong eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish_chicP Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 In fairness to some of the fans. I spoke to a few over the weekend (ones who actually attend matches) and they all agreed they are hurtling towards admin and there is not much they (the fans) can do about it. They don't want the players they have on the wages they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I'm not sure they have time to cut the costs. I think they have lft it too late. And much as the fans love the club they would need to be mad to buy ST's. What happened to Hearts should be a warning to them- our ST money was all gone before the season even began and that investment by the fans achieved absolutely nothing- in fact we would have been better taking the hit last year early doors and slugging it out with a terrible Dundee side with a better squad and a chance of not being relegated than what has come to pass this year. rangers would do wisely to take the 25 pt hit now, re shape and still be promoted than wait and collapse later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teej1874 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Probably been mentioned but Temps and that fecking R8. League One players should never be getting wages like that, to buy a supercar. No wonder they could be going into admin again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Probably been mentioned but Temps and that fecking R8. League One players should never be getting wages like that, to buy a supercar. No wonder they could be going into admin again. Temps has an R8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adayinmay Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 In fairness to some of the fans. I spoke to a few over the weekend (ones who actually attend matches) and they all agreed they are hurtling towards admin and there is not much they (the fans) can do about it. They don't want the players they have on the wages they have. They can. They can stop paying/giving all their money to the Spivs. The only income TRIFC get are from ticket sales. Almost nothing from TV, nothing from Europe, etc etc .. If the fans stop throwing their money at them it would force another Admin event and then a fan led group can take control (sound familiar?). Its the only way I see the fiasco in the West coming to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcalum Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Temps has an R8? Sure Andy Driver had one when he was at Hearts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I'm not sure they have time to cut the costs. I think they have lft it too late. And much as the fans love the club they would need to be mad to buy ST's. What happened to Hearts should be a warning to them- our ST money was all gone before the season even began and that investment by the fans achieved absolutely nothing- in fact we would have been better taking the hit last year early doors and slugging it out with a terrible Dundee side with a better squad and a chance of not being relegated than what has come to pass this year. rangers would do wisely to take the 25 pt hit now, re shape and still be promoted than wait and collapse later Did it not help to stave off a winding up order from HMRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Did it not help to stave off a winding up order from HMRC. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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