Joe Savage leaves Hearts ( updated )

[Lone Striker]

9 hours ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

Id rather we didnt copy anybody and came up with a masterplan to excite the support and win every week.

 

Back in the real world the standard of Football on show is poor.

 

In fact, I'd say the level of frustration emanating from the stands last season is some of the worse ive heard for years.

 

Just to clarify for the hard of thinking, frustration is different from abuse.

 

 

If you reckon the level of frustration etc coming from fans last season was "the worst you've heard for years",  you've either got a  memory problem or  else you've not been going to Hearts games  for very long.  

 

2 recent examples -   most of  season  2019/20 ..... and Robbie's persistence with "the Snodgrass tactic"  in 2022.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

12 hours ago, GinRummy said:

It’s been explained a few times what he was in charge of and the contract negotiations part. 
 

What I don’t get is what he actually done on a day to day basis. During the transfer window I could see him being busy but out with that, he comes into his work on a Monday morning sits at his desk…then what?

Googled “Celtic gossip”

[Bill Sikes]

41 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

If you reckon the level of frustration etc coming from fans last season was "the worst you've heard for years",  you've either got a  memory problem or  else you've not been going to Hearts games  for very long.  

 

2 recent examples -   most of  season  2019/20 ..... and Robbie's persistence with "the Snodgrass tactic"  in 2022.

 

 

The Snodgrass nonsense was only for a few games at Tynecastle, for the majority of the season we where cruising it.

 

Anyway, as you've gone personal you'll be pleased to know you've joined the ignore list.

[Lone Striker]

18 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

 

The Snodgrass nonsense was only for a few games at Tynecastle, for the majority of the season we where cruising it.

 

Anyway, as you've gone personal you'll be pleased to know you've joined the ignore list.

If at least 8  is "only  a few games", then you're right.

  

[FarmerTweedy]

15 hours ago, Bull's-eye said:

He's no longer at the club and sorry to say it but i haven't seen anything remarkable about his tenure.

 

Football is still as dull as dishwater, we can quite clearly attract better players these days due to financial security and fantastic management by the Board above him.

 

If his job was to improve the Football side of the business then id say hes failed, also allowed a manager to lose the plot completely under his watchful eye.

 

Overall gets pass marks but with an empty trophy cabinet nothing to write home about.

 

Appreciate the hard work and hope you are happier elsewhere. Bye.

 

 

It's quite remarkable how much you've posted on this thread while having not the faintest idea at all about what Savage actually did at the club (as you've repeatedly demonstrated with what you've said)!  FYI, Savage wasn't in charge of managers, they report directly to McKinlay.

[FarmerTweedy]

11 hours ago, GinRummy said:

I doubt he’ll be replaced. Don’t get me wrong the club was in a bit of a mess when he took over and he was no doubt a massive factor in fixing it. 
 

I can’t see why McKinlay and the recruitment guys can’t take it from here and I’m pretty sure that’s what will happen.  

That's not what will happen. You not knowing what Savage's job was doesn't mean he hardly did anything. 

[GinRummy]

2 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said:

That's not what will happen. You not knowing what Savage's job was doesn't mean he hardly did anything. 

Nobody knows what will happen and that’s including you. I never once said he hardly did anything either. 

[Bill Sikes]

5 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said:

It's quite remarkable how much you've posted on this thread while having not the faintest idea at all about what Savage actually did at the club (as you've repeatedly demonstrated with what you've said)!  FYI, Savage wasn't in charge of managers, they report directly to McKinlay.

 

Really, lots of posters have posted his job description. That's one thing I haven't done. In actual fact I've said as nobody knows his specific roles within the club its not good form to be slagging him off for success or failure. 

Your bombshell that the Director of Football having no control over the manager will upset a lot that's for sure.

 

Or you could of course be making that up to look important. I think we both know the answer to that. 

[HoGwash]

7 hours ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

Really, lots of posters have posted his job description. That's one thing I haven't done. In actual fact I've said as nobody knows his specific roles within the club its not good form to be slagging him off for success or failure. 

Your bombshell that the Director of Football having no control over the manager will upset a lot that's for sure.

 

Or you could of course be making that up to look important. I think we both know the answer to that. 

He's not making it up. Hearts were very clear on the structure and reporting lines when Joe Savage was appointed. 

[zeke1874]

I'm not sure what Joe actually did and I don't need to know. Either way he was an important employee of the club during a successful period. 3 seasons in a row qualifying for Europe is success for Hearts based on the past...

Hopefully the board will have someone else to come in and keep everything running smoothly.

Not sure what Joe's next move is but a bit weird he's left when everything is going well.. could be personal reasons or maybe he just fancies a break. But he seemed a very ambitious person so strange he's left unless he's got his eye on something else.

[RobNox]

10 hours ago, HoGwash said:

He's not making it up. Hearts were very clear on the structure and reporting lines when Joe Savage was appointed. 

Yeah, both Sporting Director and Manager report to the CEO.  Every other department of the footballing operation reports to the SD, but the first team manager does not.

 

The SD works with the first team manager to ensure that the rest of the footballing operation is aligned to the manager's strategy and vision.  That strategy and vision will have been endorsed by the Club Board, or rather a sub-committee of the Board, who made the decision to appoint the manager.

 

 

[pettigrewsstylist]

Good luck to the guy and thankyou to him for his efforts. If he doesnt want to be part of us going forward thats his call to make.

[Rick Sanchez]

I doubt we'll get the truth but a new recruit this window would have been nice.

[SMJ_1874]

8 hours ago, Rick Sanchez said:

I doubt we'll get the truth but a new recruit this window would have been nice.

You can’t handle the truth! 

[Hashimoto]

A few months down the road from Joe's resignation and from what I see no nearer to making an appointment.

Why did Joe resign? Was he embroiled in a power struggle with other prominent people at the club? Does Naismith firmly believe that he does not need a DoF?
and therefore he is the one calling the shots. As such holding too much power IMO

There has not been one decent result since the last game of the past season, A game which was effectively a nothing game as Sevco had a final to contest the following week  

Results and performances suggest that Savage knew what was around the corner. He had effectively lost his influence at the club. 

All speculation IMO.

[Finlay James]

I know Joe’ family.  Apparently there is nothing sinister in why he has left, it’s simply that he wants a break and a new challenge.

[kila]

Who will the board go to for advice on a replacement DoF?

 

I fear Budge will have a say in this still... 

[lost in space]

The board had to make a decision - Savage or Naismith - and chose the wrong one.

Not ITK - but I would not be surprised if that was the reason.   

There is something wrong IMO - a new Sporting Director should have been in place for the 1st of August to handle the last month of the summer transfer window.

[JamboJoker98]

It's all a bit of a muddle, over 3 months now waiting on a new Sporting director now we're in a position that if things don't turn around we'll need a new manager as well, so who are we bringing in first and who's making that decision. Manager continuity and signing was the SD's remit after all.

[JamboAl]

2 hours ago, kila said:

Who will the board go to for advice on a replacement DoF?

 

I fear Budge will have a say in this still... 

As far as I am aware she is still the Chairperson of the company.  It would be unusual therefore for her not to have a say.

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 hours ago, kila said:

Who will the board go to for advice on a replacement DoF?

 

I fear Budge will have a say in this still... 

She will probably seek Levein’s advice.

[EH11]

2 hours ago, Finlay James said:

I know Joe’ family.  Apparently there is nothing sinister in why he has left, it’s simply that he wants a break and a new challenge.

 

Thanks for sharing that. 

 

I'm intrigued to understand what's going on if he feels the need for a break.  Appreciate there could be personal reasons on his side, but I do wonder if there are politics at play.  Perhaps felt undermined, lack of ambition by the club, dynamic with the board / manager.  If you are feeling good in your role, you don't look to take a sabbatical. Something isn't quite right and that sense isn't helped by a lack of communication by the club.  

Edited August 30, 2024 by EH11

[Seymour M Hersh]

3 hours ago, Finlay James said:

I know Joe’ family.  Apparently there is nothing sinister in why he has left, it’s simply that he wants a break and a new challenge.

 

We heard about this at the end of May and as yet he has not popped up anywhere in a new job so I'd say that lends some credence to your post FJ. 

[JamboAl]

27 minutes ago, EH11 said:

 

Thanks for sharing that. 

 

I'm intrigued to understand what's going on if he feels the need for a break.  Appreciate there could be personal reasons on his side, but I do wonder if there are politics at play.  Perhaps felt undermined, lack of ambition by the club, dynamic with the board / manager.  If you are feeling good in your role, you don't look to take a sabbatical. Something isn't quite right and that sense isn't helped by a lack of communication by the club.  

Seems like you're looking for something negative.  The reason might be something personal to JS and I'm starting to think along these lines as little or nothing has been said from him or the club.

Edited August 30, 2024 by JamboAl

[The Tackle]

Still no communication from the club as to whether he’s being replaced. 
 

Naismith isn’t experienced enough to take on both roles

[kila]

1 hour ago, JamboAl said:

As far as I am aware she is still the Chairperson of the company.  It would be unusual therefore for her not to have a say.

 

I'm sure I read a quote from her a couple of years ago that she was stepping back from being involved in making football decisions, around the time McKinley replaced her as CEO.

 

I don't think she has a good track record for football decisions, and would hope she doesn't get involved or influence things.

[JamboAl]

6 minutes ago, kila said:

 

I'm sure I read a quote from her a couple of years ago that she was stepping back from being involved in making football decisions, around the time McKinley replaced her as CEO.

 

I don't think she has a good track record for football decisions, and would hope she doesn't get involved or influence things.

Your perception seems to be that she makes key decisions without listening to people.

Others take the view that she listens too much to other people *eg CL" and then proceeds without thinking.

[kila]

1 minute ago, JamboAl said:

Your perception seems to be that she makes key decisions without listening to people.

Others take the view that she listens too much to other people *eg CL" and then proceeds without thinking.

 

If it's true she overruled Savage and McKinley on appointing Naismith then what's your thoughts on that?

[JamboAl]

1 minute ago, kila said:

 

If it's true she overruled Savage and McKinley on appointing Naismith then what's your thoughts on that?

I would assume the Board deliberated and she then did as any Chairperson would do if that was the consensus

[Nerja Jambo]

44 minutes ago, The Tackle said:

Still no communication from the club as to whether he’s being replaced. 
 

Naismith isn’t experienced enough to take on both roles

This is the type of comms we should have from the club. Are we actually looking to employ a DoF ? Has the post been advertised? Have interviews taken place? Has an applicant been chosen and when should he/she start? That's nothing to do with the day to day running of the club, it's about communicating with the owners as to the progress in employing one of the most important roles at the club. 

[EH11]

51 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Seems like you're looking for something negative.  The reason might be something personal to JS and I'm starting to think along these lines as little or nothing has been said from him or the club.

 

Yip, i did offer that it may well be something personal.  

 

It's easy to have a negative view with the current performances and deficiencies in recruitment.  Doesn't seem unreasonable to speculate that there may be some correlation between those things and Savage's exit. 

[JamboAl]

Just now, EH11 said:

 

Yip, i did offer that it may well be something personal.  

 

It's easy to have a negative view with the current performances and deficiencies in recruitment.  Doesn't seem unreasonable to speculate that there may be some correlation between those things and Savage's exit. 

I happen to think he was overrated anyway but that's another matter.

[kila]

10 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I would assume the Board deliberated and she then did as any Chairperson would do if that was the consensus

Non-footballing board members overruling those with football experience seems to be the outcome. 

[Famous 1874]

Need to get a replacement in asap. Was rumoured at the start of the year that he was leaving! 
 

Surely we had a contingency plan. 

[Craig_]

4 hours ago, Finlay James said:

I know Joe’ family.  Apparently there is nothing sinister in why he has left, it’s simply that he wants a break and a new challenge.

 

Cheers for sharing, good to know.

 

Although hasn't stopped some posters trying to imply there was something more malicious behind his departure.

[Japan Jambo]

1 hour ago, The Tackle said:

Still no communication from the club as to whether he’s being replaced. 
 

Naismith isn’t experienced enough to take on either role

 

fixed that for you...

[Smithian]

I'm not ready to throw Naismith overboard. His good work over multiple months last season earned him faith over these few games.

 

However, it is ridiculous Joe Savage wasn't promptly replaced. I'd feel better about this situation if the organization was fully staffed.

[RustyRightPeg]

A new venture for Joe

 

 

 

[Des Lynam]

3 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

A new venture for Joe

 

 

 

 

That is just corporate wank speech. 

 

Good luck to him. 

 

 

[Gorgierools]

5 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

A new venture for Joe

 

 

 

No idea what any of that means

[BackOfTheNet]

22 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

A new venture for Joe

 

 

 

Didn’t realise he had a stutter…

[Star Lizard]

17 minutes ago, Gorgierools said:

No idea what any of that means

Constancy agency is what I took from that .  Networking clients in to mutually beneficial partnerships 

[Lovecraft]

An agent for agents.

 

Genius.

 

 

[The Treasurer]

44 minutes ago, Gorgierools said:

No idea what any of that means

Glad to hear I'm not the only one 

[Mark_Mywords]

A middle middle man?  ffs

[GavK1012]

The guys entitled to do what he wants, without the knuckle draggers even starting having a go at the man...Good luck, life's about taking opportunities when they present...

 

We all move on 😁

[kila]

3 minutes ago, Mark_Mywords said:

A middle middle man?  ffs

 

Some folk like to use a mortgage broker, this sounds a similar role in football. I'm sure he'll get some work.

[Nerja Jambo]

Good luck to the guy. I wish him every success.

[Bill Sikes]

So he fancied going self employed, can't knock him for that.

 

Good luck Joe.

[Australis]

Wrong thread.

 

Edited October 5, 2024 by Australis