Joe Savage leaves Hearts ( updated )

[GinRummy]

49 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said:

The Savage thread will embarrass a few people now the dusts settled. People go way over the top. Slated for saying we want to win the league, slated for not performing like Celtic and Rangers, guy couldn't win. 

Saying he wanted to win the league was unwise. Didn’t deserve the abuse though. 

[Hans Eskilsson]

5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Saying he wanted to win the league was unwise. Didn’t deserve the abuse though. 

It might seem unrealistic but why was it unwise. We have folk on here all the time wanting the club to sound ambitious. 

[Niall]

This podcast/show is two hours long! Am I meant to know who these people are? I can't listen to weegies talk over each other for two hours.

 

Fair play to the people who have.

[Byyy The Light]

5 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said:

He was bang on with what he said in the interview too, Scotland is just a dead negative country. 
 

Anyone trying to better themselves or do something against the grain is generally met with resistance.

 

Spot on.  Football in particular is full of wee cliques looking to shoot people down for trying something new

[Bill Sikes]

Its not that long ago the banter that went around the stadium was indeed that, "banter". It was mostly hilarious and added to the atmosphere.

 

That stuff seems to have been totally replaced by anger and seethe.

 

Tynecastle is most certainly not as enjoyable as it used to be imo.

[RustyRightPeg]

16 minutes ago, Niall said:

This podcast/show is two hours long! Am I meant to know who these people are? I can't listen to weegies talk over each other for two hours.

 

Fair play to the people who have.

In fairness, they let Joe speak for the majority of it. 
 

It’s time stamped if you’re watching on YouTube on a tv / laptop

[GinRummy]

53 minutes ago, Hans Eskilsson said:

It might seem unrealistic but why was it unwise. We have folk on here all the time wanting the club to sound ambitious. 

Because it always attracts ridicule from our own supporters. Even if someone mentions it on here it’s met with insults. 

[Japan Jambo]

1 hour ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

Too late for Savage now but there will have been hundreds hearing the abuse aimed at him when he was at Tynecastle.

 

I'm sure some did but I hope a few more shout, "KNOCK IT OFF!" back at them when this inevitably happens in the future.

 

I do wonder what the collective view is with regard to abuse aimed at referees. There are a fair few whose propriety and parentage I've questioned over the years... 😞 

[Hans Eskilsson]

16 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Because it always attracts ridicule from our own supporters. Even if someone mentions it on here it’s met with insults. 

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t 

[GinRummy]

6 minutes ago, Hans Eskilsson said:

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t 

It does seem like that and Dhanda was another who got it in the neck for having the audacity to say he wanted us to challenge the old firm.
 

Saves me making a new post but some of the hypocrites on this very thread calling out online abuse when they are quite happy to ridicule and name call when it suits their agenda shows an incredible lack of self awareness and a good example of double standards. 

Edited October 30, 2024 by GinRummy

[Rudi cant fail]

Used the podcast to excuse himself of any blame for the mess we are in now. 
The reason he was lambasted for “dancing on tables” in Europe was because it was the last night of the transfer window and there were areas of the squad needing addressed. 
 

 it sounds like some of the personal abuse he received was shocking and well over the top. 
 

not one of the players signed under his watch will make us any money other than cochrane who hardly made us an earth shattering amount. 
 

looking at players like ho who went to Celtic? They signed him for 2.5m, so why was he wanting his time? Early in the podcast he said we couldn’t afford 1m for a player . Seemed to waste a lot of time going after players well out of our budget. 
 

took a player who was later seen a disruption to tell him that the food at the club was not up to scratch.

 

he and the two managers who worked under him beated on about the players we sign have to be of a certain character. Those said players have us bottom of the league.

 

i might be being a bit harsh, and he has no doubt probably done a lot of good behind the scenes, but imo he needs to hold some responsibility for the less we find ourselves in. 

Comes across as a bit of a salesman, and talks a good game. His new venture suggests the same. 

Edited October 31, 2024 by Rudi cant fail

[Batistuta9]

"Am fightin wae maself, cos am a Gemini..." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Libertarian]

I listened to Joe on the Open Goal podcast and by the end of the 2 hour programme I was left with the impression that Savage is a nice guy who was just too sensitive to deal with the criticism he was getting from some elements within our support. The fact that he admitted to being hugged by Andrew McKinley after handing in his resignation implied to me that Savage has to toughen up. 

[ScandinavianJambo]

On 30/10/2024 at 10:17, jamboinglasgow said:

 

A great post by Joe Savage, straight to the point and clears up a lot. The fact people were giving him abuse about him talking about getting abuse is mad, do these people not take a second to think what am I doing.

100% Internet warriors becoming trolls 🧌 🙄 

[ScandinavianJambo]

24 minutes ago, Libertarian said:

I listened to Joe on the Open Goal podcast and by the end of the 2 hour programme I was left with the impression that Savage is a nice guy who was just too sensitive to deal with the criticism he was getting from some elements within our support. The fact that he admitted to being hugged by Andrew McKinley after handing in his resignation implied to me that Savage has to toughen up. 

Are you for real? The man highlights going through a hard time/expressing emotions and according to you he needs to toughen up. Suicide amongst men are high for a reason and not being able to speak up without being berated and being told to man up is part of that problem. Savage brought some excellent players to the club, but realised that he needed to move on/ he had probably taken the club as far as he could (and perhaps knew it). He did the right thing and resigned. It takes guts to leave before getting pushed, so no, no need to toughen up.

Edited November 2, 2024 by ScandinavianJambo

[davemclaren]

1 hour ago, Libertarian said:

I listened to Joe on the Open Goal podcast and by the end of the 2 hour programme I was left with the impression that Savage is a nice guy who was just too sensitive to deal with the criticism he was getting from some elements within our support. The fact that he admitted to being hugged by Andrew McKinley after handing in his resignation implied to me that Savage has to toughen up. 

Men hugging...will never catch on in Scotland.  😎

[Holyrood_Hearts]

On 30/10/2024 at 00:29, Der Kaiser said:

If you're a hearts fan watching that open goal with savage and you are one of the folk he mentioned responsible for that verbal abuse you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

Completely agree with this.
 

As much as it’s a great interview and very insightful, as a Hearts fan to hear of so many stories of a club employee being abused is shameful. I was embarrassed listening to parts of it. 

[Libertarian]

3 hours ago, ScandinavianJambo said:

Are you for real? The man highlights going through a hard time/expressing emotions and according to you he needs to toughen up. Suicide amongst men are high for a reason and not being able to speak up without being berated and being told to man up is part of that problem. Savage brought some excellent players to the club, but realised that he needed to move on/ he had probably taken the club as far as he could (and perhaps knew it). He did the right thing and resigned. It takes guts to leave before getting pushed, so no, no need to toughen up.

Lighten up.

[Libertarian]

2 hours ago, Holyrood_Hearts said:

Completely agree with this.
 

As much as it’s a great interview and very insightful, as a Hearts fan to hear of so many stories of a club employee being abused is shameful. I was embarrassed listening to parts of it. 

The only thing I can say which doesn't want me to give up completely is that for every idiot there's 50 decent supporters 

[ScandinavianJambo]

2 hours ago, Libertarian said:

Lighten up.

Sure

[GinRummy]

We had a great window when we signed Beni and Devlin but other than that it was quite poor really. If it weren’t for Shankland it would’ve got shit way quicker. Bit of a chancer I think. 

[Shooter McGavin]

Got a lot more signings right, than wrong.

 

We’re also operating in the bargain bin market for players, so it can be very hit or miss.

[hmfc1440]

1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

We had a great window when we signed Beni and Devlin but other than that it was quite poor really. If it weren’t for Shankland it would’ve got shit way quicker. Bit of a chancer I think. 

Spot on. JS not all that at all. Club can do much, much better. Just another poor recruit from a poor BOARDROOM.

[GinRummy]

39 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Got a lot more signings right, than wrong.

 

We’re also operating in the bargain bin market for players, so it can be very hit or miss.

I just want to know why revenue went up  but the standard of signings went down. Like I said the first window after promotion was great. The windows after that have been fairly shite. 

[Leveins Battalion]

Joe told the Club he was leaving the 1st week in February (even though Mckinlay says otherwise)

 

It took us to last month to appoint a Medic from the SFA as his replacement.

 

It's an absolute disaster.

[Coco]

29 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Joe told the Club he was leaving the 1st week in February (even though Mckinlay says otherwise)

 

It took us to last month to appoint a Medic from the SFA as his replacement.

 

It's an absolute disaster.

We also have a Head of Recruitment working from home in London who escapes any scrutiny for the terrible signings

[maroonsgotop]

34 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Joe told the Club he was leaving the 1st week in February (even though Mckinlay says otherwise)

 

It took us to last month to appoint a Medic from the SFA as his replacement.

 

It's an absolute disaster.

totally agree

[JamboAl]

35 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

I just want to know why revenue went up  but the standard of signings went down. Like I said the first window after promotion was great. The windows after that have been fairly shite. 

I cannot believe you're still wrestling with this as a problem.

If Mr Anderson donates £1m and specifies it's for the women's team or the hotel (or whatever else) then, although it increases our revenue, there's not a penny more for the men's team signings.  Less money for signings often means less quality signings

[GinRummy]

18 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I cannot believe you're still wrestling with this as a problem.

If Mr Anderson donates £1m and specifies it's for the women's team or the hotel (or whatever else) then, although it increases our revenue, there's not a penny more for the men's team signings.  Less money for signings often means less quality signings

I can’t believe you think I meant that. Our best transfer window imo was the season we were promoted from the championship, there’s lower income in the championship than the prem. we also had 5 million (less expenses) from our last euro groups campaign. 
 

So what I’m asking is, apart from Shankland why have our transfer windows for the last 3 and a half years been so poor?

[JamboAl]

2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

I can’t believe you think I meant that. Our best transfer window imo was the season we were promoted from the championship, there’s lower income in the championship than the prem. we also had 5 million (less expenses) from our last euro groups campaign. 
 

So what I’m asking is, apart from Shankland why have our transfer windows for the last 3 and a half years been so poor?

I can't believe anyone posts things they don't mean.

[Pasquale for King]

Saying we were in for McCowan and Oh to make himself look good, two guys way out of our price range and wasting time even thinking about it. 
I wonder how his new venture is going.

[GinRummy]

4 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I can't believe anyone posts things they don't mean.

I do mean it. What are you actually talking about ?

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Joe told the Club he was leaving the 1st week in February (even though Mckinlay says otherwise)

 

It took us to last month to appoint a Medic from the SFA as his replacement.

 

It's an absolute disaster.

Exactly, now we go into a transfer window where a lot of wheeling and dealing needs to be done with a rookie and a nice guy head coach.

[JamboAl]

34 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

I do mean it. What are you actually talking about ?

Did you not say

 

can’t believe you think I meant that.

 

You having memory problems?

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Did you not say

 

can’t believe you think I meant that.

 

You having memory problems?

Yeah I did say that. You started dishing out a fairly condescending lesson on the Anderson money when I didn’t mention him. No idea why you’re off on a tangent but crack on. 

[JamboAl]

22 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Yeah I did say that. You started dishing out a fairly condescending lesson on the Anderson money when I didn’t mention him. No idea why you’re off on a tangent but crack on. 

You dished out a fairly stupid remark about the quality of the signings in relation to club revenue and I used JA's money as an example to show they are not necessarily directly related.

You seemed to be in a little confusion writing something you meant or maybe didn't.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

1 hour ago, JamboAl said:

I cannot believe you're still wrestling with this as a problem.

If Mr Anderson donates £1m and specifies it's for the women's team or the hotel (or whatever else) then, although it increases our revenue, there's not a penny more for the men's team signings.  Less money for signings often means less quality signings

 

You reckon that accounts for all of it?

[GinRummy]

19 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

You dished out a fairly stupid remark about the quality of the signings in relation to club revenue and I used JA's money as an example to show they are not necessarily directly related.

You seemed to be in a little confusion writing something you meant or maybe didn't.

Are you actually thick? Our best transfer window in recent times was summer 2021, we signed Beni, Devlin, McKay, Cochrane on loan and Ginnelly permanent. Since then our revenue has gone up which any fool could see should mean the quality of our signings should go up. They clearly haven’t. That’s literally all I’m getting at. 

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

Are you actually thick? Our best transfer window in recent times was summer 2021, we signed Beni, Devlin, McKay, Cochrane on loan and Ginnelly permanent. Since then our revenue has gone up which any fool could see should mean the quality of our signings should go up. They clearly haven’t. That’s literally all I’m getting at. 

No but you are obviously thick.  As I have already said, because revenue goes up that does not necessarily mean more transfer funds are available especialy if the increase is for specified non playing purposes - or the women's team. 

Edited December 21, 2024 by JamboAl

[GinRummy]

5 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

No but you are obviously thick

Yeah obviously. Thinking having more money to spend should get us better players. What part of that do you disagree with dafty. 

Edited December 21, 2024 by GinRummy

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, GinRummy said:

Yeah obviously. Thinking having more money to spend should get us better players. What part of that do you disagree with dafty. 

I'm obviously wasting my time.

That will apply if the money is allocated for players.  If the increase, however, is for specified purposes eg hotel, restaurant, pitch improvements etc, it will have no impact on playing resources - so unless you have a breakdown for each year you're whistling in the wind

[Hashimoto]

Back on topic...I genuinely believe that Savage knew what was coming down the track and decided to get out at the soonest possible time.

There was never going to be a place in the organisation once it was decided we were going down the Jamestown route. The stuff spewed out by McKinlay was all smoke and mirrors.
Savage had run his race, and I don't think the board trusted him, or wanted to hand over funds given that things were not improving
Personal abuse is never a good thing and should never be tolerated. However, this is football in Scotland we are talking about. If you're not thick skinned you are in the wrong business!

Savage went because the trust was lost IMO. McKinlay makes up stories to suit his own personal agenda. The guy has previous and is well known for it.

[GinRummy]

4 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I'm obviously wasting my time.

That will apply if the money is allocated for players.  If the increase, however, is for specified purposes eg hotel, restaurant, pitch improvements etc, it will have no impact on playing resources - so unless you have a breakdown for each year you're whistling in the wind

Good god man. I’m whistling in the wind speaking to someone so stubborn. 
I’ll ask two questions which you won’t answer and everyone knows the answer to 

1 Is our player budget higher than 2021

2 if the answer to 1 is yes (hint, it is) why has every transfer window  since 2021 been worse than the window of that summer? 

[maroonsgotop]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Exactly, now we go into a transfer window where a lot of wheeling and dealing needs to be done with a rookie and a nice guy head coach.

yup, with no Club or Recruitment experience 

[kingantti1874]

13 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said:

yup, with no Club or Recruitment experience 

Jones isn’t leading on recruitment though. 

[JamboAl]

21 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Good god man. I’m whistling in the wind speaking to someone so stubborn. 
I’ll ask two questions which you won’t answer and everyone knows the answer to 

1 Is our player budget higher than 2021

2 if the answer to 1 is yes (hint, it is) why has every transfer window  since 2021 been worse than the window of that summer? 

Can you elaborate a little on the hint.  What are the figures (specifically allocated to players for the men's team)?

I may add that I reckon (guess) we spent more on players this close season than ever.  You can spend as much as you like on players but it helps if you go for quality rather than quantity and if you have the right coaching staff to bring the best out of them.  I'll leave you to decide whether we have instead of being obsessed by increased revenue alone.

[GinRummy]

Just now, JamboAl said:

Can you elaborate a little on the hint.  What are the figures (specifically allocated to players for the men's team)?

I may add that I reckon (guess) we spent more on players this close season than ever.  You can spend as much as you like on players but it helps if you go for quality rather than quantity and if you have the right coaching staff to bring the best out of them.  I'll leave you to decide whether we have instead of being obsessed by increased revenue alone.

Good points there. That’s right Al we are spending more on players now.  We have gone for quality over quantity. So we’ve wasted our increased budget by buying lots of players rather than good ones. So this is a Joe Savage thread, Joe Savage best transfer window was summer 2021. So maybe it’s more to do with the managers’ wanting to sign loads of average players rather than increase the quality of our best starting 11. 
 

Thanks for your answer. 

[JamboAl]

5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Good points there. That’s right Al we are spending more on players now.  We have gone for quality over quantity. So we’ve wasted our increased budget by buying lots of players rather than good ones. So this is a Joe Savage thread, Joe Savage best transfer window was summer 2021. So maybe it’s more to do with the managers’ wanting to sign loads of average players rather than increase the quality of our best starting 11. 
 

Thanks for your answer. 

Thanks for yours as well but it does not alter the fact that increased revenue does not necessarily equate to increased funds for players.

You omitted to give the figures.  Was that an oversight or were you talking something that rhymes with oversight?

[maroonsgotop]

17 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Jones isn’t leading on recruitment though. 

It's part of his remit.

 

"Sporting Director, Graeme will oversee all aspects of the club’s football department, leading on performance, recruitment, academy and supporting both men’s and women’s team footballing matters." taken from Hearts web site.

[GinRummy]

Just now, JamboAl said:

Thanks for yours as well but it does not alter the fact that increased revenue does not necessarily equate to increased funds for players.

You omitted to give the figures.  Was that an oversight or were you talking something that rhymes with oversight?

I don’t know the figures but you stated -

I may add that I reckon (guess) we spent more on players this close season than ever.  You can spend as much as you like on players but it helps if you go for quality rather than quantity

 

So let’s be honest with each other and assume we are spending more than 2021. 

if I had used the phrase ‘increased first team budget’ which would have been more accurate to what I meant I’m guessing this chat wouldn’t have gone the way it has. in any case, it’s been a real pleasure.