Joe Savage leaves Hearts ( updated )

[OTT]

I don't really understand what his new firm will do. But good luck to him. 

 

Suspect we'll see him back as Sporting Director somewhere in the next few years. 

[Jacques de Gauthier]

FT FT

 

Finding Tatties. Feeding Tatties.

 

 

[joondalupjambo]

I cannot work out from that blurb who he hands his invoices to.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

Has anyone pondered when this 'initiative' began in earnest?

 

[Section Q]

8 hours ago, Star Lizard said:

Constancy agency is what I took from that .  Networking clients in to mutually beneficial partnerships 

Isn't that what an agent is for..?

[WASTREL]

1 hour ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

Has anyone pondered when this 'initiative' began in earnest?

 

I suspect he has been "brokering" personal deals for a while now 

[Phil D. Corners]

Maybe he meets players in car park before they get in to the club.

 

 

 

 

[Sarah O]

Sounds a bit Johnson from Peep Show.

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

I hope Andy Irving contacts him as his first perspective client, and offers him 350 quid as payment.

[Taffin]

I liked Savage and wish him well but this is just money for nothing and taking it out of the game. Modern football spivvery imo.

[Lone Striker]

While it sounds a  bit weird  to us fans, he'll have seen how things work behind the scenes regarding agents, players,  contract negotiations, sports science, rehab, training requirements, sponsorship etc  - and may have felt that relationships  could be made more efficient with a sports consultancy  middle-man that isn't affiliated to any one agency, club or sport.

 

Interesting to see if FT FT take off  .

 

  Does an equivalent service exist in England ? I'd have thought England is where lots of football clubs have  money to burn on stuff like this.

 

Rather strange logo on his LinkedIn page  - sort of Monty Python & the Holy Grail  thing that Terry Gilliam might have done 😏

 

A te pro te  =  from thee, for thee

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Lone Striker

[KennyMcP]

3 hours ago, Taffin said:

I liked Savage and wish him well but this is just money for nothing and taking it out of the game. Modern football spivvery imo.

Yeah, from, the little I’ve read on this - and I’ll accept I’m wrong if others can shed light - but seems to me that Joe’s spotted an opportunity to weasel even more cash out of football, and is exploiting it.

[Jambo On Fire]

23 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

While it sounds a  bit weird  to us fans, he'll have seen how things work behind the scenes regarding agents, players,  contract negotiations, sports science, rehab, training requirements, sponsorship etc  - and may have felt that relationships  could be made more efficient with a sports consultancy  middle-man that isn't affiliated to any one agency, club or sport.

 

Interesting to see if FT FT take off  .

 

  Does an equivalent service exist in England ? I'd have thought England is where lots of football clubs have  money to burn on stuff like this.

 

Rather strange logo on his LinkedIn page  - sort of Monty Python & the Holy Grail  thing that Terry Gilliam might have done 😏

 

A te pro te  =  from thee, for thee

 

 

Guess that explains the FT FT then!!

 

[Nookie Bear]

 

Looks like he’s found a way to cream off some money from the game without answering to management or being judged on results. 
 

Get that snout in the trough Joseph 👍🏻👍🏻

[Lone Striker]

A few  names have posted their good wishes to him, some Hearts ones too.

 

Bobby Jenks - memory failing, but wasn't he once  a Hearts scout ?  Seems to work for Aston Villa now

Steven McDonald - head of Hearts academy recruitment 

Jack Ross - 'nuff said

Ross Ballantyne - head of  Hearts academy goalkeeping 

Craig Wilson - CEO of Big Hearts

Neil Hobson - PR & Comms officer at Hearts 

Csaba Laszlo !!!!

 

 

 

Moira Gordon

Junior Mendes - didn't he play for St.Mirren or something ?

Bill Leckie 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Lone Striker

[Nookie Bear]

20 hours ago, GavK1012 said:

The guys entitled to do what he wants, without the knuckle draggers even starting having a go at the man...Good luck, life's about taking opportunities when they present...

 

We all move on 😁

Knuckle draggers 😂

 

But yes, good luck to the guy looking to siphon off some more money from the game.  
 

Bloom will be right on the phone 😂

[Des Lynam]

8 hours ago, Sarah O said:

Sounds a bit Johnson from Peep Show.

 

 

[Chaps]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/joe-savage-reveals-his-next-career-move-after-leaving-hearts-4813600
 

 

 

[Dallas Green]

On 06/10/2024 at 11:43, Lone Striker said:

While it sounds a  bit weird  to us fans, he'll have seen how things work behind the scenes regarding agents, players,  contract negotiations, sports science, rehab, training requirements, sponsorship etc  - and may have felt that relationships  could be made more efficient with a sports consultancy  middle-man that isn't affiliated to any one agency, club or sport.

 

Interesting to see if FT FT take off  .

 

  Does an equivalent service exist in England ? I'd have thought England is where lots of football clubs have  money to burn on stuff like this.

 

Rather strange logo on his LinkedIn page  - sort of Monty Python & the Holy Grail  thing that Terry Gilliam might have done 😏

 

A te pro te  =  from thee, for thee

 

 

 

The font isn't centred on the scroll bits. That's annoying as ****. Looks like it's been made on someone's phone quickly. Poor effort.

[davemclaren]

2 hours ago, Dallas Green said:

The font isn't centred on the scroll bits. That's annoying as ****. Looks like it's been made on someone's phone quickly. Poor effort.

Same guy that did the new HMFC sign probably. 🥸

[Dallas Green]

3 hours ago, davemclaren said:

Same guy that did the new HMFC sign probably. 🥸

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

On 06/10/2024 at 07:12, Sarah O said:

Sounds a bit Johnson from Peep Show.

 

 

 

[Newton51]

On 06/10/2024 at 12:14, Lone Striker said:

A few  names have posted their good wishes to him, some Hearts ones too.

 

Bobby Jenks - memory failing, but wasn't he once  a Hearts scout ?  Seems to work for Aston Villa now

Steven McDonald - head of Hearts academy recruitment 

Jack Ross - 'nuff said

Ross Ballantyne - head of  Hearts academy goalkeeping 

Craig Wilson - CEO of Big Hearts

Neil Hobson - PR & Comms officer at Hearts 

Csaba Laszlo !!!!

 

 

 

Moira Gordon

Junior Mendes - didn't he play for St.Mirren or something ?

Bill Leckie 

 

 

Junior Mendez is a youth coach with us

[scottg71]

Confirming he was nothing more than a grifter all along. 

[DxB Hearts]

13 hours ago, Chaps said:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/joe-savage-reveals-his-next-career-move-after-leaving-hearts-4813600
 

 

 

 

So he's acting as an agent for agents?!

 

I liked what's JS did at Hearts and think he got a bit of a tough time for certain things but adding another layer, and cost, onto the movement of players/staff is the last thing football needs.

 

At the top top level they can afford it but even another 1% of a deal to clubs like Hearts adds up and is so unnecessary. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

Sounds like he'll be helping find mutually beneficial deals, like between Hearts and Bloom.

I like Joe, he's had it well tight.

[Hearts1975]

Liked Joe Savage and from the get go. Heard he was a really hard worker and I loved him bigging us up against the old firm.

Personally, think he did a very good job for us.

I didn't get the seethe for him at times. Reckon he would have been a good sort to have around the club 

 

Also like the fact that he isn't leaving us to go to something bigger but is going to do something completely different instead 

Going from what he had to setting up his own business is a risk and he obviously has confidence in his own abilities 

Best of luck to him 🙏

 

Edited October 8, 2024 by Hearts1975

[spacerjoe]

On 05/10/2024 at 17:28, Jambo-Fox said:

A middle man between the middle men! Another pig with their snout in the trough, taking a % cut and taking money out of the game!

Good luck to him, wish him well!

My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure why an agent would need a broker? That's literally their job!

 

[davemclaren]

13 minutes ago, spacerjoe said:

My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure why an agent would need a broker? That's literally their job!

 

Everyone needs an honest joe to broker deals. 😎

[Star Lizard]

Nothing against the guy personally . For me recruitment improved when he came in so did league placings . Not all going to be down to him obviously , but I hold no ill will to the man 

[kila]

Perhaps money to be made helping players and agents navigate the new post-Diarra v FIFA world

 

[Arnaud]

Doesn't quite add up to me. I don't think he's left of his own accord to go and do this.

[Dallas Green]

47 minutes ago, Arnaud said:

Doesn't quite add up to me. I don't think he's left of his own accord to go and do this.

What's your theory then?

[cheetah]

Dodgy ******* 

[Arnaud]

2 hours ago, Dallas Green said:

What's your theory then?

 

Not entirely his decision, maybe Bloom's future involvement a factor.

It feels like he's had a package to leave and buy himself some time, which would hint at something other than simple resignation. 

Possible he did just take this leap, he would have to be pretty confident of it succeeding to walk away with nothing immediately lined up. He is a self proclaimed risk-taker so who knows.

[chrystaf]

5 hours ago, davemclaren said:

Everyone needs an honest joe to broker deals. 😎

Less of the honest.

[davemclaren]

22 minutes ago, chrystaf said:

Less of the honest.

😀

[Lone Striker]

7 hours ago, scottg71 said:

Confirming he was nothing more than a grifter all along. 

How was he grifting as Hearts DoF ?    

[jamboinglasgow]

10 hours ago, Newton51 said:

Junior Mendez is a youth coach with us

 

Head of Academy Performance (though not sure if he is still with us.)

 

edit: just seen he is at Coleraine as their head of performance.

Edited October 8, 2024 by jamboinglasgow

[Lone Striker]

10 hours ago, Newton51 said:

Junior Mendez is a youth coach with us

According to his LinkedIn page, JM was Head of Academy Performance at Hearts for a 1.5 years - but left in 2023.    He does seem to flit about a lot.

 

Bobby Jenks page confirms he was at Hearts for 7 years (1991-1998) involved in coaching & scouting

Edited October 8, 2024 by Lone Striker

[HamishMcGonagall]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/24646844.pressure-fan-abuse-angry-nation-scotland-impedes-youth-pathways/

[Bad Religion]

7 minutes ago, HamishMcGonagall said:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/24646844.pressure-fan-abuse-angry-nation-scotland-impedes-youth-pathways/

 

 

The former sporting director at Hearts had close relationships with the managers who worked under him in Robbie Neilson and Steven Naismith, both of whom were passionate about the need to feed academy graduates through into the first team set-up.

 

Lies.

[Bill Sikes]

30 minutes ago, HamishMcGonagall said:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/24646844.pressure-fan-abuse-angry-nation-scotland-impedes-youth-pathways/

 

 

Pretty damning stuff to the nuggets that think abuse makes players and managers better.

[FIGJAM]

39 minutes ago, Bad Religion said:

 

 

The former sporting director at Hearts had close relationships with the managers who worked under him in Robbie Neilson and Steven Naismith, both of whom were passionate about the need to feed academy graduates through into the first team set-up.

 

Lies.

I don't disagree with you. What I think some fans are not getting with the change in manager is the focus on more youth. The article suggests that youth were not given the chance they deserved as recent managers made safer selections. The club has been quite clear that the new manager had to have a history of playing youth and making money for the football club. Once they went done the Data Analytics route, I never thought I would have heard of the new manager before. I also thought there would be a number of players, particular in our forward department, who would find it hard to get minutes in a high energy high press tactics.

I think the first team squad of 20 on a Saturday might be very different in a few weeks. If mobility is key, Musa and Wilson will be in every squad and Oda going to play a lot more minutes than before. Pollock would have been ahead of all three if not already on loan. Could easily see him recalled in January. I think Shanks may be the player to see the biggest reduction in minutes under the new manager. Gone are the days of him playing every minute of every game. 

And that might actually make the new managers job even harder if seen not play our best player as much.

 

[RustyRightPeg]

Joe is going to be in Open Goal this evening. 
 

Should be an interesting watch / listen. 

[RustyRightPeg]

A quality listen this and some remarkably good insight of his time at the club. 
 

Side note, some of our fan base should be embarrassed at their behaviour towards this fella. He openly talks about it and it’s disgusting. 

[Leveins Battalion]

Pretty bad listening to that.

 

 

The personal abuse Joe received,no wonder he jacked it.

[RustyRightPeg]

1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said:

Pretty bad listening to that.

 

 

The personal abuse Joe received,no wonder he jacked it.

Brutal. 

[Leveins Battalion]

5 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:

Brutal. 

 

 

Sounds like we just missed out on Nicky Devlin aswell.

 

Pretty close to being really

successful under Joe imo.

 

 

God help Graeme Jones.

[RustyRightPeg]

2 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

 

 

Sounds like we just missed out on Nicky Devlin aswell.

 

Pretty close to being really

successful under Joe imo.

 

 

God help Graeme Jones.

I’d heard the Devlin one was all but done at the time, and then as he said Naismith hesitated cause he wanted to reassess.
 

Was a lot more open than I was expecting him to be. Seems a good guy. 

Hope his new venture works out for him.