David McCaig Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Simple question if you think its too early to ask the question answer no. For me, its time to go, he doesn't have the experience, there has been no bounce from the players and its time for the Board to make a proper externally recruited appointment. The club has to end this farce now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Should never have been given the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRY Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Loved him as a player, and he's probably great as a coach, but he should never have been appointed as the guy in charge. (neither should McAvoy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseyjambo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Should also include McAvoy, Forrest and Savage in that question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 The fact that this question is even seriously being asked means it has to be a yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott980612 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 * not just Naismith - they all should go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Not just SN but the whole management team needs to go. I'd probably say that Savage and McKinley also need to go. Bring in someone that knows how to run a football club first - main priority being on the football side. And pay the money to bring in a top quality manager and the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 We should never have been in this position in the first place. If there was any sort of evidence that we were trying to work towards a certain style of play and it just wasn't quite clicking yet then I'd be willing to give him some time but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that improvement is just around the corner. For me it's time to cut our losses before the season is irrecoverable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) Sack Naismith after 4 league games and we become a laughing stock , not even a half decent manager will touch us btw I’m not convinced he’s the answer, but it’s far too soon If and it’s a big if, we then go for a steady experienced manager, we are in no position to appoint experiments or projects. Someone who knows the job and won’t accept interference from the clown board at Hearts Edited September 3, 2023 by jbee647 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) Should never have got the job, doesn't even have his badges. Instead of giving him the job when he's ready, he's been handed it too early and it shows. Experienced manager with clear ideas and a simple approach that players can buy into. We do not need to be playing possession based football at our level. We cannot break teams down anywhere near effectively enough to do it well, so why waste the time? I'm growing really tired of lurching from one disaster to the next. Edit: Just wanted to add, echo the thoughts of others, that a total clear out of the football department, including Lancefield & Savage is looking necessary. Recruitment has left huge gaps in our team, and players like Hof or Grant have utterly failed to fill in any ball playing role as they're simply not good enough. The fact that we've failed to replace Haring for coming up 3 years now is disgraceful. Edited September 3, 2023 by OTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Can we change this to "Should the committee be sacked along with Joe Savage?" Because removing one of them won't solve anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flem Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Not playing the football we were promised, not even close. Time to get a proper manager in instead of the cheap option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best in the land Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Should never have been given the job. Correct. The decision makers need to follow or this will just continue as it has since budge took over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Savage as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Monument Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Yes another failed experiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Yes and not the only one who needs emptied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Yes but the board should feel the brunt of the blame for this not Naismith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 Given Naismith's lack of experience, there is literally no track record to suggest he is capable of doing better than this. His managerial Cv shows mediocrity in the Lowland League which earned him a shot at the big job, his audition led to failure in the search for 3rd with just 2 wins, yet somehow this got him the gig permanently, this season has seen just 1 win from 4 in the league and no goals in our last 3 league with barely a shot on goal. And this is all despite being handed a dream set of opening fixtures which ought to have seen us top of the league on at 10 points after 4 games!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Too early imo. I really didn’t want him as manager (and couldn’t understand why so many did) but the problem in my opinion is we have a desperately poor squad. Weaker than last season in my opinion. Savage has to go now I think. This was a crucial window and he got it badly wrong. Our policy of signing unproven quantities from abroad rather than looking in the Scottish market (i understand we actively avoid the Scottish market on the basis clubs ask for more when Hearts come calling). When you consider arguably our best 5 players have all had success at other Scottish clubs before their current Hearts spell (Gordon, Halkett, Shanks, Boyce and Mackay) maybe we should just pay the premium. I think we could be in real trouble this season. Motherwell and Killie have both come to Tynecastle and bossed us while 0-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 It has to go beyond Naismith. Entire coaching team. Board members?! Savage and co?! No one appears to be fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I think it would be damage limitation. The board probably will, they need a scapegoat but they the ones who have made terrible footballing decisions for years. I'm not sure sacking Naismith changes this, it's just kicking the can down the road until their next bad decision is found out. 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Who is saying no?Hibs fans?🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Can't belived 15% have said no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, merseyjambo said: Should also include McAvoy, Forrest and Savage in that question Sorry McAvoy and Forrest going should be a given and it really should be the end of Savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Should never have been given the job. You get what you pay for. We went down the cheap and easy road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: Yes but the board should feel the brunt of the blame for this not Naismith Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, jbee647 said: Sack Naismith after 4 league games and we become a laughing stock , not even a half decent manager will touch us btw I’m not convinced he’s the answer, but it’s far too soon If and it’s a big if, we go for a steady experienced manager, we are in no position to appoint experiments or projects. Someone who knows the job and won’t accept interference from the clown board at Hearts I’m sure we’re already a laughing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I voted yes but I'd rather Savage and McAvoy left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Can we change this to "Should the committee be sacked along with Joe Savage?" Because removing one of them won't solve anything. This. No point voting in this poll, far too simplistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Leveins Battalion said: Who is saying no?Hibs fans?🤣🤣 Must be or just WUM’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Can we change this to "Should the committee be sacked along with Joe Savage?" Because removing one of them won't solve anything. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc1984 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Struggle to see what Budge and others on the board offer either to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 My preference would be a proper external recruitment exercise which appoints a Manager/Head Coach with full responsibility for recruitment as well as team selection. The successful appointee also has full authority to bring in his own backroom team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Next 7 games, 1 is the league cup. I'm not really seeing any positive results. We have hibs, Celtic, Rangers in Oct. If he's not sacked now then likely after those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr fox Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 No way he should be sacked. God give him time but the midfield is seriously worrying me it’s utter brutal. As for Rowles get him out the squad guy is a bombscare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Should never have been given the job. This. Didnt blow anyone awsy as caretaker,not qualified but budge n co gave him the job. End this now or the season will be over before the end of September!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Should never have been given the job. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Experiment over. Get the whole backroom staff out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, David McCaig said: My preference would be a proper external recruitment exercise which appoints a Manager/Head Coach with full responsibility for recruitment as well as team selection. The successful appointee also has full authority to bring in his own backroom team. This. Get savage and co out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TallPaul said: Why? Cause they appointed an experienced guy on the basis of nothing really. I say this not cause I want to either but there is nothing there no identity to our play at all we already seem rudderless. Edited September 3, 2023 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Get them out . Bottom 6 for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, jbee647 said: Sack Naismith after 4 league games and we become a laughing stock , not even a half decent manager will touch us btw I’m not convinced he’s the answer, but it’s far too soon If and it’s a big if, we then go for a steady experienced manager, we are in no position to appoint experiments or projects. Someone who knows the job and won’t accept interference from the clown board at Hearts Its 11 league games and after the most minimal of progress, we are now going backwards at a rate of knots. Its clearly not working and its not as if we are just not getting the breaks, the football is turgid and he has shown no capacity to make brave decisions in relation to underperforming players like Kye Rowles. There is literally zero evidence to defend either his appointment or continuing. For goodness sake even the late departed Wee Lee had an unbeaten record against him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerja Jambo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 The problem is that if they were all to be sacked, who would be in charge of appointing their replacements, the same idiots who appointed them in the first place. People can argue all they want about this player, that player, this job title, that job title, it matters not a jot, because we have a group of people running this club who are clueless as to all things football. Their record is shocking and is costing the club a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Should never have been appointed in the first place. Compounded by the appointment of the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerja Jambo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, TallPaul said: Why? Because they gave him the job. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvery_Moon Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Should never have been given the job. This. Need to act quickly now whilst it's early enough to do something about it. Not just Naismith though- those further up (Savage and McKinley) have questions to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, TallPaul said: Can't belived 15% have said no It’ll be more when the other undercover Hibby’s log on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Wrong appointment in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_HMFC Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Should never have been given the job. In a nutshell. I was one who was quite excited by his appointment. Observing him in his interim spell he looked motivated and full of juice on the touchline. He now looks clueless and sounds boring as **** in his interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Pains me to say it but this ain’t working so to the board - pony up for an established manager for gods sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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