McCrae Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 minute ago, PapaShango said: Everyone else has had a shot and failed in midfield so no reason not to give Grant a game. I was thinking about that as well. Not sure he has the fight in him… maybe Halliday would be a better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, PapaShango said: Please no sick of seeing him in there he is hopeless! 3 games now we’ve done it and he has looked lost in every single one. Lost? In one game against partick, where he done well, of course, as you'd expect, plus a couple of short sub appearances? Edit: FFFF You're on about Sibbick, surely I think this is interesting: 3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Clark Cochrane Kingsley Kent Atkinson Vargas Devlin Lowry Oda Shankland Tagawa Offiah in at CH if Kingsley is out. Lets get back to pressing teams and shooting on sight, and high tempo. - Edited September 1, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, PapaShango said: Everyone else has had a shot and failed in midfield so no reason not to give Grant a game. You want to throw grant in to this game after the last 3 games? - Edited September 1, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 If we don’t start hitting shots we will lose this game. Motherwell will be well aware of our weaknesses on the counter attack and with crosses. Similar to the Killie game but think it will be 2-0 Motherwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rods said: If we don’t start hitting shots we will lose this game. Motherwell will be well aware of our weaknesses on the counter attack and with crosses. Similar to the Killie game but think it will be 2-0 Motherwell For sure they will know our weaknesses. We never seem to know the oppositions weaknesses tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Rods said: If we don’t start hitting shots we will lose this game. Motherwell will be well aware of our weaknesses on the counter attack and with crosses. Similar to the Killie game but think it will be 2-0 Motherwell They have no strikers mind. And Motherwell, unlike Killie generally attack and concede goals. With the likes of Shanks and Boyce in the team, we will definitely create chances. Would be shocked if we don’t score on Sunday. It’s the other end I’d worry about unless there is a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 ****in Boooooooooooooo Just wanted to get in early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Clark Offiah Kent Kingsley Cochrane Devlin Halliday Vargas Shankland Lowry Tagawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) Need those shots on goal stats we had last 6 games of last season - Edited September 1, 2023 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, gnasher75 said: Devlin Halliday Siri Show me just how absolutely shite Hearts' recruitment has been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMcI Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Scott980612 said: Clark. Offiah Kent Sibbick Cochrane Devlin Lowry Vargas Oda Boyce Shankland Atkinson & Rowles drop out - too much off a liability , both off them. Lowry starts - prove your good enough to be at hearts , and use your set pieces, especially if Kingsley out Vargas and Oda to stretch Motherwell back line - need to be direct and work hard 1-0 hearts We shouldnt go anywhere near this lineup imo. Yes, it's got lots of attacking players for going forward but it becomes pointless if you have no controlled possession. When Motherwell start to dominate the 1 defensive midfielder and back 4 they will get over run. We'd get out fought and hammered. I'd go the opposite. Drop an attacking player from the 4231 and go 433. Get control of the middle of the park and to be able to break up play and pick better passes. Something like Clark Atkinson Sibbeck Kent Cochrane Devlin Grant / Nieuwenhof Denholm / Halliday Vargas Shankland Oda Rather than the wide men in a 4231 getting caught between pressing or dropping the front 3 in a 433 can all push up to try win the ball higher up the park as a 3 in midfield allows them to shuffle across to the side of the ball and those on the left or right of the 3 to close the space in front of the fullbacks if required. Only 3 "attackers" but hopefully better control of the game and more chances created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: For sure they will know our weaknesses. We never seem to know the oppositions weaknesses tho. I am sure we do but don't have the players to carry out the instructions to take advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: Siri Show me just how absolutely shite Hearts' recruitment has been Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1-1 Tagawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3-0 to Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Need to get back on track and I think we will with hard fought 2-1 win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 7 hours ago, gnasher75 said: Clark Offiah Kent Kingsley Cochrane Devlin Halliday Vargas Shankland Lowry Tagawa Don’t disagree with that midfield but Beni and Devlin joined in summer 2021 and we haven’t signed a decent midfielder since despite the former being injured for most of the time. The fact Halliday is an option for a starting place says a lot about our recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 I think whatever we do, we need to play actual midifelders in midfield. Halliday was in the media moaning about his lack of playing time. Grant is also a midfielder. Either or, should be playing tomorrow. Need to go for Sibbick and Kent at the back too. Toby needs a vote of confidence I think, and this will help him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Need those shots on goal stats we had last 6 games of last season - Exactly. What is happening that we have at times reverted to the form that got Neilson sacked? One nil down and a throw in at the half way line, after an eternity goes back deep into our defence, possession lost and we’re in self inflicted trouble? We lose a stupid goal because of meaningless short sideways passes or an unnecessarily risky short free kick at the back. Midfielders, who aren’t naturally midfielders with no forwards pass. Players bullied out of possession. We need our injured players back sharpish, a team selection shake up and an attacking, shot taking style back consistently… not asking much 😬🤣 Naismith to sort it out and Frankie to firmly take a back seat from now on please 🙏 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, OTT said: I think whatever we do, we need to play actual midifelders in midfield. Halliday was in the media moaning about his lack of playing time. Grant is also a midfielder. Either or, should be playing tomorrow. Need to go for Sibbick and Kent at the back too. Toby needs a vote of confidence I think, and this will help him. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2-0 us 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 9 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: You want to throw grant in to this game after the last 3 games? - He’s no worse an option than playing Sibbick or Denholm IMO and at least looks to move the ball forward. Having anyone else in there is just defensive midfielders who don’t offer anything offensively. I would pair him with Devlin tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 9 hours ago, gnasher75 said: Clark Offiah Kent Kingsley Cochrane Devlin Halliday Vargas Shankland Lowry Tagawa Will Kingsley be fit after that fall on Thursday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 57 minutes ago, FJT said: 2-0 us 🤞 Any win will do tomorrow and take a scrappy 1-0 at this stage going into the break. It’s important to get wins at home especially when we are so poor on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, PapaShango said: Any win will do tomorrow and take a scrappy 1-0 at this stage going into the break. It’s important to get wins at home especially when we are so poor on the road. Yeah I’d take a scrappy 1-0 too (though I can hope for more!) any kind of win is important tomorrow for points as well as psychological reasons. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Double post Edited September 2, 2023 by FJT Double post and typo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, FJT said: Noticed on another thread @chrystaf mentioned players getting the ball in midfield area but stopping, throwing their arms up as if to say, wtf do I do next/who is there to pass to. Same at throw ins! Noticeable at points during the game at Dens and it’s not something I want to see again. Faster tempo and more showing for a forward pass needed. we had a poor ish start to 85-86 season…(yes I know that’s ancient history) 😬 here’s hoping we improve soon. Keep the faith! 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Any update on Kingsley, looked like a sore one he got on Thursday. Also any news on Haring or Beni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Or Halkett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Sold out now but no ticket exchange? Maybe more hospitality seats to be released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Rick Sanchez said: Rowles to start. Concede first. Boo's from the stands. Maybe even a McAvoy gtf chant. That's my predictions. yep. Wonder what starting line up will come out the tombolla. It’s the same pish as Robbie. Defenders in CM 🤣 when Jorge Grant isn’t getting a sniff. I predict a 1-1 draw even with Motherwell without their forwards all unfit. And also predict an enjoyable few pints prematch in 1874 bar watching the arsecheeks. Edited September 2, 2023 by 1971fozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Any update on Kingsley, looked like a sore one he got on Thursday. Also any news on Haring or Beni Or Hoff or McKay. Nope, we get told nothing by the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Also any news on Haring or Beni No news as per usual. It’s par for the course. No updates on injuries at all. Been that way for a while. It’s a disgrace in all honesty. Only guess that it’ll be for ages as both players history of injuries does nothing to suggest otherwise. Id be genuinely shocked to see either this side of Xmas given their history Edited September 2, 2023 by 1971fozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Clark Offiah. Kent. Sibbick. Cochrane. Devlin. Halliday. Grant. Vargas. Shankland Tagawa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Whether people want to admit it or not, injuries mean the squad is stretched, confidence is low, there will be some fatigue after the trip to Greece. I hope we win. I expect us to draw 1-1. International break is needed. I think Kye Rowles needs taken out of the firing line. Clark Atkinson Kent Sibbick Kingsley Devlin Grant or Denholm or Halliday Vargas Boyce Cochrane Shankland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 30 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Any update on Kingsley, looked like a sore one he got on Thursday. Also any news on Haring or Beni All at the local Health Centre waiting to get their sick notes signed 😐 we don’t need to know anything, we are just the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2-0 Hearts , call me entitled. If we can't beat this shower at Tynecastle serious questions need to be asked by the board and answered by Naismith and Savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 10 hours ago, AndyMcI said: We shouldnt go anywhere near this lineup imo. Yes, it's got lots of attacking players for going forward but it becomes pointless if you have no controlled possession. When Motherwell start to dominate the 1 defensive midfielder and back 4 they will get over run. We'd get out fought and hammered. I'd go the opposite. Drop an attacking player from the 4231 and go 433. Get control of the middle of the park and to be able to break up play and pick better passes. Something like Clark Atkinson Sibbeck Kent Cochrane Devlin Grant / Nieuwenhof Denholm / Halliday Vargas Shankland Oda Rather than the wide men in a 4231 getting caught between pressing or dropping the front 3 in a 433 can all push up to try win the ball higher up the park as a 3 in midfield allows them to shuffle across to the side of the ball and those on the left or right of the 3 to close the space in front of the fullbacks if required. Only 3 "attackers" but hopefully better control of the game and more chances created. I'd rest/bench Clark, Kingsley and Atkinson and drop Rowles. McGovern in goal. Offiah at RB and Sibbick at LCB. I'd also play Boyce in behind Shankland with Grant and Devlin also in midfield and your front three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Clarke Cochrane Sibbick Kent Atkinson Devlin Grant Lowry Shankland Oda Vargas Need someone with movement and a wider range of progressive passing in midfield. Grant is the only fit player that has this. Window is shut, so the Vlad flu can GTF. Lowry is a bit hot and cold, but also looks for the through balls. We can be incredibly linear and predictable in our passing. With no McCay, Lowry is worth the risk. Looks harsh on Boyce who has been one of our best players - but him and Shankland occupy the same space which, alongside having played two outright DMs in most games, ends up with us playing the polo mint formation which makes it really hard to progress the ball through midfield and leaves us really open to counters. It also makes a basic low block extremely effective against us. So despite effectively playing 424, we have lack enough threat to justify the risk. I would be tempted to put Vargas up top in the Gino role to stretch play. Got to stretch play on our narrow pitch - not make it easy for our opponents to contract it. Put Oda back in front of Atkinson to support him with his exceptional work rate. Whatever we do, we need better links between defence, midfield and attack. The long ball stuff hoping for a Velcro touch and several successful one-twos might make sense against strong European opponents, but we need to convert 60% possession into shooting chances. That means more movement and more ball players. Edited September 2, 2023 by CMc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, CMc said: Clarke Cochrane Sibbick Kent Atkinson Devlin Grant Lowry Shankland Oda Vargas Need someone with movement and a wider range of progressive passing in midfield. Grant is the only fit player that has this. Window is shut, so the Vlad flu can GTF. Lowry is a bit hot and cold, but also looks for the through balls. We can be incredibly linear and predictable in our passing. With no McCay, Lowry is worth the risk. Looks harsh on Boyce who has been one of our best players - but him and Shankland occupy the same space which, alongside having played two outright DMs in most games, ends up with us playing the polo mint formation which makes it really hard to progress the ball through midfield and leaves us really open to counters. It also makes a basic low block extremely effective against us. So despite effectively playing 424, we have lack enough threat to justify the risk. I would be tempted to put Vargas up top in the Gino role to stretch play. Got to stretch play on our narrow pitch - not make it easy for our opponents to contract it. Put Oda back in front of Atkinson to support him with his exceptional work rate. Whatever we do, we need better links between defence, midfield and attack. The long ball stuff hoping for a Velcro touch and several successful one-twos might make sense against strong European opponents, but we need to convert 60% possession into shooting chances. That means more movement and more ball players. Good post👍 I like the bit about Vargas in the Gino role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, FJT said: Or Halkett? November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, CMc said: Clarke Cochrane Sibbick Kent Atkinson Devlin Grant Lowry Shankland Oda Vargas Need someone with movement and a wider range of progressive passing in midfield. Grant is the only fit player that has this. Window is shut, so the Vlad flu can GTF. Lowry is a bit hot and cold, but also looks for the through balls. We can be incredibly linear and predictable in our passing. With no McCay, Lowry is worth the risk. Looks harsh on Boyce who has been one of our best players - but him and Shankland occupy the same space which, alongside having played two outright DMs in most games, ends up with us playing the polo mint formation which makes it really hard to progress the ball through midfield and leaves us really open to counters. It also makes a basic low block extremely effective against us. So despite effectively playing 424, we have lack enough threat to justify the risk. I would be tempted to put Vargas up top in the Gino role to stretch play. Got to stretch play on our narrow pitch - not make it easy for our opponents to contract it. Put Oda back in front of Atkinson to support him with his exceptional work rate. Whatever we do, we need better links between defence, midfield and attack. The long ball stuff hoping for a Velcro touch and several successful one-twos might make sense against strong European opponents, but we need to convert 60% possession into shooting chances. That means more movement and more ball players. Spot on, good people are seeing the similarities between Boyce and Shankland and they don’t really work together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 13 hours ago, McCrae said: The team isn’t looking balanced in midfield. We need to start Grant or Halliday to play alongside Cammy. Im no fan of grant. Not my cup of tea. But given the options and the window closing, we have to give him a run. He's pretty much the only genuine forward thinking option in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: November 👍🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 33 minutes ago, CMc said: Clarke Cochrane Sibbick Kent Atkinson Devlin Grant Lowry Shankland Oda Vargas Need someone with movement and a wider range of progressive passing in midfield. Grant is the only fit player that has this. Window is shut, so the Vlad flu can GTF. Lowry is a bit hot and cold, but also looks for the through balls. We can be incredibly linear and predictable in our passing. With no McCay, Lowry is worth the risk. Looks harsh on Boyce who has been one of our best players - but him and Shankland occupy the same space which, alongside having played two outright DMs in most games, ends up with us playing the polo mint formation which makes it really hard to progress the ball through midfield and leaves us really open to counters. It also makes a basic low block extremely effective against us. So despite effectively playing 424, we have lack enough threat to justify the risk. I would be tempted to put Vargas up top in the Gino role to stretch play. Got to stretch play on our narrow pitch - not make it easy for our opponents to contract it. Put Oda back in front of Atkinson to support him with his exceptional work rate. Whatever we do, we need better links between defence, midfield and attack. The long ball stuff hoping for a Velcro touch and several successful one-twos might make sense against strong European opponents, but we need to convert 60% possession into shooting chances. That means more movement and more ball players. any chance you could email that to McAvoy&co's wee ipad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 I think Motherwell will be the team to beat this season. We have to win this game at Tynecastle and I think we’re more likely to do so with Grant in midfield than we are with Cochrane or Sibbick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 56 minutes ago, tcjambo said: I'd rest/bench Clark, Kingsley and Atkinson and drop Rowles. McGovern in goal. Offiah at RB and Sibbick at LCB. I'd also play Boyce in behind Shankland with Grant and Devlin also in midfield and your front three. Clark has begun to look 'uninspiring'....why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 wouldn't be surprised if Halliday starts in midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Motherwell are no mugs, so this will be a tough game after Thursday's heat and travelling. I don't think the formation's working at the moment, it's too predictable. We won't change it drastically mid-season, though, so I'd probably go for this starting lineup. Clark Offiah Kent Kingsley Cochrane Grant Halliday Oda Lowry Vargas Shankland We definitely need to freshen things up, but the midfield options aren't great at the moment. Every time I pick a team on here now, I feel like it's a rubbish one, but everyone seems to be playing poorly. Edited September 2, 2023 by Captain Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 16 hours ago, ramrod said: The common denominator in those home games was neither Rosenborg, PAOK, or Thistle sat in. The games we struggle in are the likes of Killie and Dundee when we have to break teams down. We are clueless in this department boring , turgid one pace stuff that allows teams to funnel back quickly and wait for our inevitable mistakes at the back. Exactly how it was under Robbie. So we have changed some of the players and yet we still can't find a way of breaking down stubborn defensive teams who hit on the break. So what does that tell us? Our coaching staff aren't good enough or maybe the players aren't good enough or maybe a bit of both. Either way it needs to get sorted quick otherwise there is going to be a lot of unrest among a restless set of fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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