Gordon_1874 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Rockwell said: Heard of all these teams but apart from AZ no idea what standard they are . So I really don't know if we have a realistic chance against any of them or not AZ Alkmaar, beat Dundee United this season 7-1 on aggregate. Finished 4th in the Eredivisie and got to the semi-finals of the conference league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedBoy Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 Just now, Sooks said: Me too , shake the inferiority complex and get right in about who ever we are drawn against . What do we have to lose You get it sooks 💯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 If Hibs win there 2nd round they will still be unseeded for 3rd round. if we win 3rd round against a seeded team for playoff we will be seeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 Another thing, first game appears to be after league season starts. I think it’s actually a slight disadvantage as the league cup group stages actually gives teams a bit of rhythm/momentum going into the season. We were lucky to beat Ross County first game this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted May 29, 2023 Author Share Posted May 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, karipidis said: If Hibs win there 2nd round they will still be unseeded for 3rd round. if we win 3rd round against a seeded team for playoff we will be seeded. That second bit isn't correct. We could be seeded for the Playoff if the team we beat in Q3 has a high enough coefficient to be seeded in the Playoff. Looking at last season, there's about a 50% chance of us drawing a team in Q3 with a high enough coefficient to be seeded in the Playoff, but that's not an exact science as all depends on this seasons teams, results and coefficients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will-i-am-a-jambo Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 42 minutes ago, SMJ_1874 said: I’m sure they’re the only team that has a stadium in the centre of Istanbul. All the others are in the outskirts. Besiktas are not too far from the just bar….. I think 🤔. Better to get them group stages though Correct, we passed the Besiktas stadium on the bus on the way out to the game in Istanbul. I'd rather not go back to Turkey for selfish reasons (ld prefer go visit another country) plus lm still pissed they took my coins/wallet off me at the ground never to be seen again! Robbing bar stewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 4 hours ago, Jamboross said: I'd be surprised if we did. Plzen were in the group stages of the CL this season, admittedly they did lose every game but did reasonably well against Bayern and Barca in the home games. Djurgardens topped their Conference League group, undefeated, with double the points of Gent who were second. I still think we would have enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 45 minutes ago, Waterboy said: That second bit isn't correct. We could be seeded for the Playoff if the team we beat in Q3 has a high enough coefficient to be seeded in the Playoff. Looking at last season, there's about a 50% chance of us drawing a team in Q3 with a high enough coefficient to be seeded in the Playoff, but that's not an exact science as all depends on this seasons teams, results and coefficients. That is what I meant but not worded very well! If we win against a team who is seeded for the playoff then we will be seeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texaco Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 A lot easier to understand than last season even for an old thicko like me. It has a bit of a Fairs cup feel to the first two rounds. I kinda like we know it will most likely be tough opposition and we have to win the ties against the odds a bit. So it's a full on fight and we will be more prepared this season. Let the opposition that expect to progress worry about us. If we go out fair do's we have a tough league campaign to deal with anyway. So nothing to lose really. Bring it on .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 2 hours ago, will-i-am-a-jambo said: Correct, we passed the Besiktas stadium on the bus on the way out to the game in Istanbul. I'd rather not go back to Turkey for selfish reasons (ld prefer go visit another country) plus lm still pissed they took my coins/wallet off me at the ground never to be seen again! Robbing bar stewards. As much as I enjoyed Istanbul, I’d rather visit another country. A few pals got robbed after being followed from the area of the just bar. A lot of the local neds just picking off drunken jambos on their way home. The view from the away end of the stadium was also rank and the heavy netting made it difficult to see anything that happened at the opposite end. I’m sure if we drew besiktas we’d get a proper Turkish welcome though as the basaksehir was pretty young and tame crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferryjambo99 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 Always worth considering that "bigger" teams have a history of underperforming in these qualifying rounds, early season lack of sharpness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Out of that, Our best bet would be Apoel Nicosia, Djugardens or maybe one of the Israeli teams. I think anyone else and we would probably get pumped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 Few more teams added to the list of possible opponents based on games last night: Basel, Vitoria Guimaraes and FCSB. All in order of coefficient below, and the teams in italics are assumed to make it through from previous rounds as the seeded team, some supposedly worse sides (based on coefficients) may take their place if they beat them in those earlier qualifiers. Club Brugge Belgium FC Basel Switzerland AZ Alkmaar Netherlands AA Gent Belgium Dinamo Kiev Ukraine Partizan Belgrade Serbia PAOK Greece Maccabi Tel-Aviv Israel Viktoria Plzen Czech Rep Bodo/Glimt Norway Lech Poznan Poland Hapoel Beer-Sheva Israel Djurgardens Sweden APOEL Nicosia Cyprus Besiktas Turkey NK Rijeka Croatia FC Arouca Portugal Vitoria Guimaraes Portugal FCSB Romania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog1426 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Waterboy said: Few more teams added to the list of possible opponents based on games last night: Basel, Vitoria Guimaraes and FCSB. All in order of coefficient below, and the teams in italics are assumed to make it through from previous rounds as the seeded team, some supposedly worse sides (based on coefficients) may take their place if they beat them in those earlier qualifiers. Club Brugge Belgium FC Basel Switzerland AZ Alkmaar Netherlands AA Gent Belgium Dinamo Kiev Ukraine Partizan Belgrade Serbia PAOK Greece Maccabi Tel-Aviv Israel Viktoria Plzen Czech Rep Bodo/Glimt Norway Lech Poznan Poland Hapoel Beer-Sheva Israel Djurgardens Sweden APOEL Nicosia Cyprus Besiktas Turkey NK Rijeka Croatia FC Arouca Portugal Vitoria Guimaraes Portugal FCSB Romania Don't really fancy a trip to Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 20 hours ago, Waterboy said: A one stop shop now that it's confirmed we'll be in Europe next season. I'm working on the assumption that Celtic beat Inverness (hopefully tempting fate :)) Hearts will enter the Europa Conference League in the 3rd qualifying round, as an unseeded team. Key Dates: Q3 first leg: 10 August Q3 second leg: 17 August If we progress... Playoff first leg: 24 August Playoff second leg: 31 August If we progress... group stages commence 21 September. Possible Opponents: The draw for Q3 will be made before Q2 ties have been played. It's therefore possible we will draw the winner of a Q2 tie, and have 2 possible opponents with the winner still to be determined. There are still some domestic leagues and cups to be finalised, but at this moment in time, these are the sides who will be seeded and are therefore possible opponents. This assumes that all of the seeded sides in Q2 win their ties - so some could be replaced by supposedly poorer sides - those in italics are the sides that it's been assumed will qualify from Q2. Club Brugge Belgium AZ Alkmaar Netherlands AA Gent Belgium Dinamo Kiev Ukraine Partizan Belgrade Serbia PAOK Greece Maccabi Tel-Aviv Israel Viktoria Plzen Czech Rep Bodo/Glimt Norway Lech Poznan Poland Hapoel Beer-Sheva Israel Djurgardens Sweden APOEL Nicosia Cyprus Besiktas Turkey NK Rijeka Croatia FC Arouca Portugal Hearts Coefficient: Hearts will enter with a coefficient of 7.28, which is the 'Scotland' coefficient, based on the performance of Scottish teams over the past 5 seasons. Hearts actual coefficient is less than the 'Scotland' coefficient at 4, and so we are given the higher 'Scotland' coefficient. Info on how this was earned, and the coefficients of other Scottish teams for 23/24: If Hearts are eliminated in Q3, which is a real possibility, we will earn 2 pts, taking our total for the 24/25 season to 6. If we made it to the Playoff round and were eliminated, we would earn 2.5 pts taking our total to 6.5. Both scenarios would likely result in us again being given the 'Scotland' coefficient if we qualify for Europe in season 24/25. The 'Scotland' coefficient is calculated based on a slightly different method to how the individual club coefficients are calculated, and so won't tie in with the figures you see above. For season 24/25, the points earned from Scottish sides during the upcoming season will replace the points earned in 18/19. Scottish sides therefore need to improve on 6.75 if they want to improve their ranking (and European places that come as a result), having only scored 3.5 in the season just past. Excellent work, WB. I posted on another thread asking this the other day but it sank, the perils of a badly-titled thread. I looked more closely at this, I know it's about as likely as the Second Coming, but if ICT do win the cup then that's no Europe for Hibs and no guaranteed group for Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 43 minutes ago, Bdog1426 said: Don't really fancy a trip to Ukraine They're playing in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, tartofmidlothian said: Excellent work, WB. I posted on another thread asking this the other day but it sank, the perils of a badly-titled thread. I looked more closely at this, I know it's about as likely as the Second Coming, but if ICT do win the cup then that's no Europe for Hibs and no guaranteed group for Aberdeen. We are all Caley Jags on Sat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Waterboy said: Few more teams added to the list of possible opponents based on games last night: Basel, Vitoria Guimaraes and FCSB. All in order of coefficient below, and the teams in italics are assumed to make it through from previous rounds as the seeded team, some supposedly worse sides (based on coefficients) may take their place if they beat them in those earlier qualifiers. Club Brugge Belgium FC Basel Switzerland AZ Alkmaar Netherlands AA Gent Belgium Dinamo Kiev Ukraine Partizan Belgrade Serbia PAOK Greece Maccabi Tel-Aviv Israel Viktoria Plzen Czech Rep Bodo/Glimt Norway Lech Poznan Poland Hapoel Beer-Sheva Israel Djurgardens Sweden APOEL Nicosia Cyprus Besiktas Turkey NK Rijeka Croatia FC Arouca Portugal Vitoria Guimaraes Portugal FCSB Romania Excellent couple of posts, thanks for putting that all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog1426 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: They're playing in Poland I know, was a joke Fancy a trip to Norway though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, Bdog1426 said: I know, was a joke Fancy a trip to Norway though! Wouldn't mind a trip there or Portugal, although the team from there only has a 5,000 capacity stadium which might be problematic getting a ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, Bdog1426 said: I know, was a joke Fancy a trip to Norway though! You seen the price of beer up there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloSergio Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Give us a week away in Cyprus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog1426 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said: You seen the price of beer up there? Surely the Mountain view is worth it haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog1426 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, PapaShango said: Wouldn't mind a trip there or Portugal, although the team from there only has a 5,000 capacity stadium which might be problematic getting a ticket. So 200 tickets most likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, PauloSergio said: Give us a week away in Cyprus. That would be lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Nearly a couple of months until the draw, plenty time. Out of that list, a trip to Portugal or Czech would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 There are always shocks in the earlier qualifying rounds, and the teams we expect to be in our round might suffer an early loss themselves. Also, why can't we be the shock result in our round? Depending on who is manager then, we might not be playing the cagey "try not to lose" tactic that we have been used to seeing in big games. No reason we can't take any of them on. Can't do any worse than United last season anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 hour ago, PapaShango said: Wouldn't mind a trip there or Portugal, although the team from there only has a 5,000 capacity stadium which might be problematic getting a ticket. Should have no problems seeing over the walls then. Climb a tree with a 6 pack and you're sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Buckets Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 We won't beat any of those teams but still looking forward to the trip and just make sure there isn't a humiliation like what happened to Dundee United against AZ. Big change next year though. Finishing 4th in the league next year qualifies you for the Europa League 2nd qualifying round which means if you lose you drop into the Conference League. That means you get 4 guaranteed European games instead of 2. Hopefully we finish 3rd though and dont need to worry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Wouldn't mind getting Hapoel Beer Sheva, cracking wee city in the desert, will be roasting in august though. Reckon we would give them a good game and got pals there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, cheetah said: Wouldn't mind getting Hapoel Beer Sheva, cracking wee city in the desert, will be roasting in august though. Reckon we would give them a good game and got pals there. What's the safety like over there? I know the city looks quality but is there any issues with terror attacks? A trip to Prague for me would be decent, if not there Belgium would be a decent one although the Dutch and Belgian fans can be a bit notorious for crowd trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, PapaShango said: What's the safety like over there? I know the city looks quality but is there any issues with terror attacks? A trip to Prague for me would be decent, if not there Belgium would be a decent one although the Dutch and Belgian fans can be a bit notorious for crowd trouble. Safety is ok, its far enough away from the zones where rockets are fired and land (more importantly ) Although it's Israel so you can never be sure. security would be tight as they wouldn't want an incident with so many tourists around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, Jambo Buckets said: We won't beat any of those teams but still looking forward to the trip and just make sure there isn't a humiliation like what happened to Dundee United against AZ. Big change next year though. Finishing 4th in the league next year qualifies you for the Europa League 2nd qualifying round which means if you lose you drop into the Conference League. That means you get 4 guaranteed European games instead of 2. Hopefully we finish 3rd though and dont need to worry about that. Can you fill me in on Arouca, dont know much about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Can you fill me in on Arouca, dont know much about them I had never heard of them before but finished 5th in the league and are based just outside Porto. Would be a great trip, only caveat being their stadium is small unless they shifted their games to another stadium. Looking at their ground how that complies with UEFA rules (if it does) I have no idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, PapaShango said: I had never heard of them before but finished 5th in the league and are based just outside Porto. Would be a great trip, only caveat being their stadium is small unless they shifted their games to another stadium. Looking at their ground how that complies with UEFA rules (if it does) I have no idea! Average attendance? They might fancy 2k drunken Scots on the doorstep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Average attendance? They might fancy 2k drunken Scots on the doorstep Looking at UEFA rules the minimum seating capacity should be 8k so they might have to play games elsewhere. No idea what their attendances are like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Average attendance? They might fancy 2k drunken Scots on the doorstep Braga was a great trip. Did it on a one day Dave McPherson special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Average attendance? They might fancy 2k drunken Scots on the doorstep Just checked their average attendance is 1,836 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Braga was a great trip. Did it on a one day Dave McPherson special. 4 minutes ago, PapaShango said: Just checked their average attendance is 1,836 Settled then, we are going to Arouca, hit and run, booze planes, book the toilet early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymack Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 On 29/05/2023 at 14:02, DB-14 said: Here is a more extensive list of potentials but of course a lot depends on round two as if an unseeded club beats a seeded club at that stage then we could get very fortunate. Hearts ! FFS it's Heart of Midlothian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymack Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Can you fill me in on Arouca, dont know much about them Seemingly you've got to walk over their infamous Ponte da Perdição (Bridge of doom) to get to the game 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, dannymack said: Seemingly you've got to walk over their infamous Ponte da Perdição (Bridge of doom) to get to the game 😉 I'll need Dutch courage for my vertigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: I'll need Dutch courage for my vertigo Not too difficult to arrange I would hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: Not too difficult to arrange I would hazard. Not sure Dave, a bridge too far, certainly puts doom to shame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Bdog1426 said: I know, was a joke Fancy a trip to Norway though! Pretty poor taste, bud You know any Ukrainians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartofmidlothian Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 12 hours ago, pettigrewsstylist said: We are all Caley Jags on Sat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 On 30/05/2023 at 07:06, gregzy2k7 said: Out of that, Our best bet would be Apoel Nicosia, Djugardens or maybe one of the Israeli teams. I think anyone else and we would probably get pumped out. Swedish sides at that time of the year is a concern as they are in the midst of their season and fully up to speed. Scottish sides have history of failing against the Scandinavians at that stage of European competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 On 29/05/2023 at 14:02, DB-14 said: Here is a more extensive list of potentials but of course a lot depends on round two as if an unseeded club beats a seeded club at that stage then we could get very fortunate. Shows how important getting into the groups was for us in terms of boosting our own coefficient. 3 seasons in a row getting the same result and we'd be seeded. Which will become even more important in 3 years when Rangers two good seasons in the Europa drop out and we lose the automatic group place (unless one of the OF starts performing in Europe again this season). It also kind of shows the importance of playing at a level where you can actually compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 Fenerbahce added to the list... Club Brugge Belgium FC Basel Switzerland AZ Alkmaar Netherlands AA Gent Belgium Dinamo Kiev Ukraine Fenerbahce Turkey Partizan Belgrade Serbia PAOK Greece Maccabi Tel-Aviv Israel Viktoria Plzen Czech Rep Bodo/Glimt Norway Lech Poznan Poland Hapoel Beer-Sheva Israel Djurgardens Sweden APOEL Nicosia Cyprus Besiktas Turkey NK Rijeka Croatia FC Arouca Portugal Vitoria Guimaraes Portugal FCSB Romania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, spacerjoe said: Shows how important getting into the groups was for us in terms of boosting our own coefficient. 3 seasons in a row getting the same result and we'd be seeded. Which will become even more important in 3 years when Rangers two good seasons in the Europa drop out and we lose the automatic group place (unless one of the OF starts performing in Europe again this season). It also kind of shows the importance of playing at a level where you can actually compete. Season after next is still groups, so 3rd and the cup angle covered this coming season and we can hopefully get at least another 4; would be great to beat a decent seeded side and steal their rating, as stated above However, the OF need to be in EL after Christmas; hopefully rangers go straight into EL group & other cheek make 3rd, but all they seem to care about is grabbing the CL money & getting pumped out immediately The parkhead mob are truly deplorable here, some might think they want the coefficient lower to stop the group stages for 3rd, so us & sheep don't get the money to strengthen Some will think we'll be a nap to get celtic very soon in the cup & will cry foul; well, we got hibs away & when we pumped them, their big brothers were next, it certainly stinks; some will think there will be an effort to get hibs or even the midden 3rd next season; then there's the TV deal meddling and that kept low, less for the rest; we'll see, but the ECL money sure has made things exciting; it's really stirred the pot and added an extra dimension to the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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