GinRummy Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: The clue is in the thread title. But it applies to anyone by your logic so not specific to Naismith at all just another daft statement to have a dig at fellow Hearts fans. Admit it you hate Hearts fans and saw an opportunity to have a dig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, GinRummy said: But it applies to anyone by your logic so not specific to Naismith at all just another daft statement to have a dig at fellow Hearts fans. Admit it you hate Hearts fans and saw an opportunity to have a dig. He’s just another one who backed Neilson to the hilt and was roundly humiliated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, GinRummy said: But it applies to anyone by your logic so not specific to Naismith at all just another daft statement to have a dig at fellow Hearts fans. Admit it you hate Hearts fans and saw an opportunity to have a dig. Come now, it's bleedingly obvious that I'm not in the haters camp. I don't hate anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: He’s just another one who backed Neilson to the hilt and was roundly humiliated Didn't back anybody, I deal in fact, not fiction or in your case, epic slaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: Didn't back anybody, I deal in fact, not fiction or in your case, epic slaver. Your embarrassment is clearly very raw still. Understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Your embarrassment is clearly very raw still. Understandable. Poor trolling as per usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Hopefully the money we save on appointing Naismith will be spent on playing staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, GinRummy said: Out with the old firm Scotland is a graveyard for English league managers and foreign managers. Who would fit the profile you’d like to see? Or what is that profile? I don't know who would fit the profile mate, I'm not even sure what our boards profile is? Are you? but at the end of the day it's not my job to know, that's our boards job to figure that one out no? There must be good options out there who would be interested in taking on the 3rd biggest club in Scotland, who are based in one of the most beautiful cities in europe and backed by 18k hearts fans every home game, with a decent chance to win a trophy and qualify for euro group stage football every season, thats a very attractive job if you ask me. I just feel like they (our board) want to take the easy option by appointing Naismith, i.e he's here already and we wouldn't have to spend money etc It's just lacking ambition for me and more of a hit and hope sort of appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Hopefully the money we save on appointing Naismith will be spent on playing staff. That might well be a sensible approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 26, 2023 Author Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 minute ago, gregzy2k7 said: I don't know who would fit the profile mate, I'm not even sure what our boards profile is? Are you? but at the end of the day it's not my job to know, that's our boards job to figure that one out no? There must be good options out there who would be interested in taking on the 3rd biggest club in Scotland, who are based in one of the most beautiful cities in europe and backed by 18k hearts fans every home game, with a decent chance to win a trophy and qualify for euro group stage football every season, thats a very attractive job if you ask me. I just feel like they (our board) want to take the easy option by appointing Naismith, i.e he's here already and we wouldn't have to spend money etc It's just lacking ambition for me and more of a hit and hope sort of appointment. there isn’t a manager out there who isn’t a gamble for us. It’s less hit and hope than any other candidate given he’s in situ and doing well. We are the in the 40’s for the biggest clubs in the U.K. bt turnover, and about 150th in Europe. We aren’t in the market for guarantees. We either take a gable with an up and coming coach Naismith or A.N other or we take a gamble on a more experienced manager with a blotted copybook. We aren’t getting a knutsen or someone of that ilk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 minute ago, gregzy2k7 said: I don't know who would fit the profile mate, I'm not even sure what our boards profile is? Are you? but at the end of the day it's not my job to know, that's our boards job to figure that one out no? There must be good options out there who would be interested in taking on the 3rd biggest club in Scotland, who are based in one of the most beautiful cities in europe and backed by 18k hearts fans every home game, with a decent chance to win a trophy and qualify for euro group stage football every season, thats a very attractive job if you ask me. I just feel like they (our board) want to take the easy option by appointing Naismith, i.e he's here already and we wouldn't have to spend money etc It's just lacking ambition for me and more of a hit and hope sort of appointment. I totally agree it’s not our job to come up with names. Never really meant to put you on the spot like that was just wondering if you had any ideas. Where I don’t agree is that the city, European football etc will get us a good manager. Look at Wilder, he’s just using us to drum up interest down south, imo of course. Id like us to set our sights high but I have no idea how that would be feasible given the gulf in wages between us and the English championship. Can we spot an up and coming manager from abroad or league 1/2 England or even the championship in Scotland? Maybe, but that hardly gives us any more degree of certainty tha Naismith. So an assistant from a big club? Naismith has already proven he can lift the squad and improve individuals so he’s got a head start on that type imo. Next on the list is Robinson, Martindale etc. that’s a firm no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Religion Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: I don’t want Robbie back. I didn’t want Robbie back. 🤝 Good stuff 👊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Your embarrassment is clearly very raw still. Understandable. fair comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Agentjambo said: Hopefully the money we save on appointing Naismith will be spent on playing staff. What's the point of paying huge wages to a manager if you then can't afford to supply the players who he would want ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, luckydug said: What's the point of paying huge wages to a manager if you then can't afford to supply the players who he would want ? We won’t be paying huge wages to Naismith and he will be able to bring in 2 or 3 …..looking that way anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 I don’t think it’s going to be Naismith… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said: I don’t think it’s going to be Naismith… Would he go back to being the b team manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 hours ago, GinRummy said: I totally agree it’s not our job to come up with names. Never really meant to put you on the spot like that was just wondering if you had any ideas. Where I don’t agree is that the city, European football etc will get us a good manager. Look at Wilder, he’s just using us to drum up interest down south, imo of course. Id like us to set our sights high but I have no idea how that would be feasible given the gulf in wages between us and the English championship. Can we spot an up and coming manager from abroad or league 1/2 England or even the championship in Scotland? Maybe, but that hardly gives us any more degree of certainty tha Naismith. So an assistant from a big club? Naismith has already proven he can lift the squad and improve individuals so he’s got a head start on that type imo. Next on the list is Robinson, Martindale etc. that’s a firm no from me. All good mate, I just want whats best for the club, want us to really go from strength to strength next season, i feel like we will never have a better opportunity than now to go out and make a statement by appointing someone outside of the norm, for who that is i really have no idea. I agree on your last point about Robinson and Martindale etc, if that is the only level that we can attract for the job then its dissapointing and we would be as well to stick with Naismith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Obviously no one can base any conclusive opinion in just a short time, but it would be such a Hearts thing to do if we went for an alternative appointment and Naismith ended up leaving to get a job elsewhere only to go on to be a more successful manager than whoever we appointed. That’s so Hearts I now am almost certain that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 It’s such a fine line for managers as they can go from hero to donkey in a very short time scale. All I know with Naismith is he has not been scared to get rid of big players; has managed to increase intensity of the team; has changed the shape; and has a clear vision of where he wants to take hearts. Bringing in a billy bawbags won’t help, especially if they don’t know the Scottish league. Sticking with Naismith is not lacking ambition. He really seems to have the credentials to do well and for me, that’s all that matters. From thinking of him as a stop gap, I’m now on board the Naisy bus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, BackOfTheNet said: Obviously no one can base any conclusive opinion in just a short time, but it would be such a Hearts thing to do if we went for an alternative appointment and Naismith ended up leaving to get a job elsewhere only to go on to be a more successful manager than whoever we appointed. That’s so Hearts I now am almost certain that will happen. Hearts or elsewhere I do t have any doubt he will go on to be a successful manager. For the simple reason that he’s an intelligent man and he was a driven winner as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Newton51 said: Would he go back to being the b team manager Not sure. Maybe assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Stephen Bradley from Shamrock Rovers 6/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Baxfee said: It’s such a fine line for managers as they can go from hero to donkey in a very short time scale. All I know with Naismith is he has not been scared to get rid of big players; has managed to increase intensity of the team; has changed the shape; and has a clear vision of where he wants to take hearts. Bringing in a billy bawbags won’t help, especially if they don’t know the Scottish league. Sticking with Naismith is not lacking ambition. He really seems to have the credentials to do well and for me, that’s all that matters. From thinking of him as a stop gap, I’m now on board the Naisy bus! Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said: Not sure. Maybe assistant. Have you heard something or just your opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Newton51 said: Would he go back to being the b team manager Not a chance. There will be plenty vacancies available for him to take up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Ewan Murray not keen, he maybe has a point but he was a big Robbie fan. Edited May 27, 2023 by Bungalow Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 We have a bit cash to to spend this season and want an experienced manager in. If wilder wants the job, think he has got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Bungalow Bill said: Ewan Murray not keen, he maybe has a point but he was a big Robbie fan. He’s someone who should have his finger on the pulse yet he doesn’t have a clue who we should go for. Someone with experience of building a team was his response, so any manager then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, johnking123 said: We have a bit cash to to spend this season and want an experienced manager in. If wilder wants the job, think he has got it. He won’t want it though. He’s already said he’d sooner stay in England so even if we did get him (if nobody else wanted him) he’d be away back there as soon as some struggling championship side sacked their manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said: Stephen Bradley from Shamrock Rovers 6/1 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, johnking123 said: We have a bit cash to to spend this season and want an experienced manager in. If wilder wants the job, think he has got it. 3-5-2 an appointing a manager who would be off for the first mediocre championship job. Would actually be gutted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, johnking123 said: We have a bit cash to to spend this season and want an experienced manager in. If wilder wants the job, think he has got it. I do think the club are more ambitious then people think when it comes to manager, as you say there is money to spend. I think the club are being very secretive about it. Also think Wilder wont be manager (normally in managerial searches, if someone is giving interviews about wanting the job, they are not really in for the job.) I do think (not based on any inside knowledge) that our new manager will surprise people in a good way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, Bungalow Bill said: Ewan Murray not keen, he maybe has a point but he was a big Robbie fan. The phrases "another level" or "next level" should be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, BlueRiver said: The phrases "another level" or "next level" should be banned. Plus, Ewan Murray's opinion is of no more value than anyone else's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8-0 win today would seal it I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Wee Mikey said: Plus, Ewan Murray's opinion is of no more value than anyone else's. That too. Was having a little read of the comments below and it's like this thread. "It shouldn't be Naismith" - "any ideas or suggestions for someone else" - "No". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, BackOfTheNet said: 8-0 win today would seal it I reckon It's happening. Going to blow them away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: 😂 Don’t know why I’m entertaining this. But go on, why the laughing face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 10 hours ago, Newton51 said: Would he go back to being the b team manager What other jobs are on offer for him like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: What other jobs are on offer for him like? Suppose the one he’s in but not for me. No matter what happens today. Don’t do a Lennon in the shower tactics as gave him the job after beating us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 hours ago, BackOfTheNet said: Obviously no one can base any conclusive opinion in just a short time, but it would be such a Hearts thing to do if we went for an alternative appointment and Naismith ended up leaving to get a job elsewhere only to go on to be a more successful manager than whoever we appointed. That’s so Hearts I now am almost certain that will happen. I know he did apply for the St Mirren job and was a strong contender to land it before they appointed Robinson. As much as I dislike St Mirren they have had a decent history in their Managerial appointments. Maybe not always the most popular with us but they seem to do alright. Knowing Hearts then I would probably have to reluctantly agree with your viewpoint but I would be quite happy to take a chance on Naismith even if we just offered him an initial one year deal with an extension option if he does well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Bungalow Bill said: Ewan Murray not keen, he maybe has a point but he was a big Robbie fan. He’s also a very good friend of Andrew McKinley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerja Jambo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, SMJ_1874 said: He’s also a very good friend of Andrew McKinley Totally agree with Ewan Murray. Savage said at the outset that we would be appointing someone with experience. That being the case it rules out SN. Plus the club also said they would wait until the season was over until they made an announcement. The season is over later today and they have had 8 weeks to come to a decision. I'll also say if the board do not back the choice of Savage, he will walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, SMJ_1874 said: He’s also a very good friend of Andrew McKinley Hopefully he doesn't have his ear as he's a no for keeping Gino at the club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerja Jambo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 For those jumping on the SN bandwagon, that is based purely on an improvement in how we were under RN. Christ the vast majority on this thread could improve on that. That is a very low bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, BlueRiver said: The phrases "another level" or "next level" should be banned. Yes…if you have zero ambition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I’d rather Naismith than Wilder, I don’t get the attraction in this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Yes…if you have zero ambition. If you can define what either of them mean and agree on it with the fans then great. Otherwise they're just nonsense terms. Ask 5 fans what next level is and you'll get 6 answers. What's your ambition Agentjambo? To get Hearts to "the next level"? 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerja Jambo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: If you can define what either of them mean and agree on it with the fans then great. Otherwise they're just nonsense terms. Ask 5 fans what next level is and you'll get 6 answers. What's your ambition Agentjambo? To get Hearts to "the next level"? 🤪 Well the starting point would having the ability to finish 3rd. two seasons in a row. That was the target for this season and we have failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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