jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Naismith was sidelined into that job from the first team back up team because he let his voice be heard and Neilson and Jig didn’t like what they were hearing. Simple as that. Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazhearts Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 I'm not convinced with Naismith to be honest. As much as it pains me to say it we may as well stick with Robbie for the next three games and see if he can turn things around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted April 1, 2023 Author Share Posted April 1, 2023 Just now, jambopilms said: Sure. Glad you agree 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Thomaso said: 3 SPL league medals 2 Scottish Cup medals 3 League Cup medals Might as well get Kris Boyd in that case. Born winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, jambopilms said: They didn't respect him when he was club captain. Being a moaning faced dick whilst playing like Snodgrass doesn't motivate anyone. Mind when we couldn’t win a game when Naismith wasn’t in the team? I do. Then injury and time caught up with him. But when he first came he was an inspiration to the team. Something Robbie clearly isn’t to this set of players. It’s a gamble, ot course it is. But we’re sleep walking our way to missing out on Europe at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 23 minutes ago, Badonde said: What’s he done to prove he would be a good manager ? What had Barry Robson? FWIW @Thomaso I'd support that. Robbie isn't getting the best out of these players, he seems to be prioritising a system the players can't execute properly and that to me is enough. A good manager realises the limitations of his squad and works around it. What we're seeing is just doing the same thing week to week and expecting different results. Its madness. Get Naismith in to the end of the season, try and save 3rd and then build up his coaching team in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Speak to JJ tonight and have him come in to unite everyone. Have Naismith do the day to day training work and have JJ oversee and lead for the next 7-8 weeks. Take stock in June and make an ambitious and fresh appointment once they've secured 3rd. We need a bounce and a positive atmosphere by next Saturday at Tynecastle. Neilson being there is simply divisive. Get him to ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnlondon Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, ri Alban said: It's 8 games . Pep won't be available til June. We've already got the paisley pep why would we want another one of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Mind when we couldn’t win a game when Naismith wasn’t in the team? I do. Then injury and time caught up with him. But when he first came he was an inspiration to the team. Something Robbie clearly isn’t to this set of players. It’s a gamble, ot course it is. But we’re sleep walking our way to missing out on Europe at the moment. When he first came in he was still a quality player, folk forget he spent many months injured only to get fit for Scotland to then be injured again and repeat. He then spent the next two season being a passenger and captain of the worst Hearts team for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster HMFC Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Talking shit m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 27 minutes ago, Cruyff said: It has to happen. Give Stevie a go and if it doesn't work out then we bring someone in. At least it gives us time to look for a replacement. Neilson is going nowhere. This Board led by Budge will not dispense with him. Simply not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Sure. Why else would you remove a Scotland international coach from your match day bench team ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, Badonde said: What’s he done to prove he would be a good manager ? Nothing that’s why it would be interim. what had Barry Robson done? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted April 1, 2023 Author Share Posted April 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Might as well get Kris Boyd in that case. Born winner Stupid comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Can't help but feel this is based on the Terry Butcher logic of shouty, aggressive player ergo good manager. That said, Steve Clarke seems to rate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Carter said: Neilson is going nowhere. This Board led by Budge will not dispense with him. Simply not going to happen. She has one vote. FOH reps have 3 votes. This assumes of course that the FOH members are more inclined to vote in line with what the majority of FOH members would want. I’m also assuming of course that the vast majority of that membership want a change. Edited April 1, 2023 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, jambopilms said: When he first came in he was still a quality player, folk forget he spent many months injured only to get fit for Scotland to then be injured again and repeat. He then spent the next two season being a passenger and captain of the worst Hearts team for years. He was injured most of the time and was obvious he was finished every time he tried a comeback. But he showed leadership on the park - we have none now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Why else would you remove a Scotland international coach from your match day bench team ? He was never part of the bench team to be removed ? Scotland are doing well but you think that because of Naismith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Stupid comment Is it? Same reason folk are telling me he was is a born winner, hundreds of ex ranger players with winner medals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: He was injured most of the time and was obvious he was finished every time he tried a comeback. But he showed leadership on the park - we have none now. Did he ? Same leadership as Snodgrass is showing now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Steve Clark trusts him then why shouldn't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, jambopilms said: He was never part of the bench team to be removed ? Scotland are doing well but you think that because of Naismith? I think you’ll find he was, for the first few months after he was appointed to the coaching set up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: She has one vote. FOH reps have 3 votes. This assumes of course that the FOH members are more inclined to vote in line with what the majority of FOH members would want. I’m also assuming of course that the vast majority of that membership want a change. Budge doesn't give a **** what the fans think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 minute ago, jambopilms said: Did he ? Same leadership as Snodgrass is showing now What’s Snodgrass got to do with Naismiths suitability as a caretaker head coach ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Just now, Carter said: Budge doesn't give a **** what the fans think. Yes we know that, or Neilson wouldn’t have been appointed, but she doesn’t have a majority share anymore. She has one vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 25 minutes ago, Badonde said: The players were on holiday after the Aberdeen game… shankland was in Spain and halliday in Dubai. I’m not sure any talks actually took place. We’re soft on and off the pitch by the sounds of it Look at what Ten Hag done after the shambles of the Liverpool game.Thats management not aye **** off on a jolly and come back and everything will be alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djm1874 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 JJ and BB to the end of the season. just give the place a lift. Naismith could also be part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Just now, Djm1874 said: JJ and BB to the end of the season. just give the place a lift. Naismith could also be part of it. Nut. Not JJ for me. He’s not in the best of health and putting him under that kind of pressure would be a big NO. He’s a bigger dinosaur than Levein as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henroddy Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Regarding Naismith some on here are confusing great player with great manager/coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: I think you’ll find he was, for the first few months after he was appointed to the coaching set up He definitely was. My take is that his current position within Hearts is to give him experience of making decisions, learning on the job, and so-on. Combine that with Scotland coaching experience and it's not any sort of stretch of the imagination that that was/is seen as a pathway to future 1st team management post-Robbie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean counter Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 If we finish 3rd again and make group stages in Europe I think he stays If we finish 4th and don't make group stages in Europe I think we need a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Yes we know that, or Neilson wouldn’t have been appointed, but she doesn’t have a majority share anymore. She has one vote Her influence runs deeper than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Henroddy said: Regarding Naismith some on here are confusing great player with great manager/coach. Nobody knows yet. Same as with any new manager before his first post. But he showed good attributes as a leader when playing. We look completely rudderless at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: What’s Snodgrass got to do with Naismiths suitability as a caretaker head coach ? What evidence of leadership has Naismith shown? The same as Snodgrass, pointing and shouting whilst playing worse than those around him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Just now, jambopilms said: What evidence of leadership has Naismith shown? The same as Snodgrass, pointing and shouting whilst playing worse than those around him What did he do - pump your mrs or shite in your kettle? A blind man could have seen the influence Naismith had on his team mates. On the other hand, what leadership qualities does Neilson show? Never his fault, always the players, the pitch, the weather or the ref. A leader he certainly is not. Listen to his interview ffs - imagine that trying to motivate a team struggling for form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: If anything, it was the rest of the team that let Naismith down. Oops, Jambopilms having a bit of a mare with this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Naisy in until end of season then summer to sort out new manager Send Neilson on sabbatical leave to Turkey to sort his bald napper out, even pay for it Nobody wanted him back He's taken this team as far as he can Thanks for your efforts Robbie now there's the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 When I first saw Naismith training with the first team, he was brilliant at talking the youngsters through the game and I thought that he would make a good coach when he gave up the playing side. I've been a bit disappointed with him as B Team coach. He's very vocal, but not always constructively. I also think that he focuses on shape and organisation to the detriment of trying to win games by dominating the opposition, e.g. happy to keep passing the ball across the back slow the game down and play the percentage pass. Today's B team performance was probably an exception to that as they played at a higher tempo, although that might have been more to do with their previous performance with Frankie McAvoy in charge. I'm not convinced that we would see much change in the current style of play if Naismith was to get the gig atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 35 minutes ago, tazhearts said: I'm not convinced with Naismith to be honest. As much as it pains me to say it we may as well stick with Robbie for the next three games and see if he can turn things around. It could be all over at the end of those 3 games given we don't participate post split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: What did he do - pump your mrs or shite in your kettle? A blind man could have seen the influence Naismith had on his team mates. On the other hand, what leadership qualities does Neilson show? Never his fault, always the players, the pitch, the weather or the ref. A leader he certainly is not. Listen to his interview ffs - imagine that trying to motivate a team struggling for form. I saw the influence he had on the team whilst captain of the team bottom of the league. Nil. Totally agree with Nielson having no motivation skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: When I first saw Naismith training with the first team, he was brilliant at talking the youngsters through the game and I thought that he would make a good coach when he gave up the playing side. I've been a bit disappointed with him as B Team coach. He's very vocal, but not always constructively. I also think that he focuses on shape and organisation to the detriment of trying to win games by dominating the opposition, e.g. happy to keep passing the ball across the back slow the game down and play the percentage pass. Today's B team performance was probably an exception to that as they played at a higher tempo, although that might have been more to do with their previous performance with Frankie McAvoy in charge. I'm not convinced that we would see much change in the current style of play if Naismith was to get the gig atm. Somebody who talks with a bit of knowledge to back up an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 minute ago, jambopilms said: I saw the influence he had on the team whilst captain of the team bottom of the league. Nil. Totally agree with Nielson having no motivation skills. And presumably you saw the influence he had on the team when he was fit? 63.2% win rate with him in the team and 15.8% without him. But you’re choosing to ignore that for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the real mackay Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 58 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Folk have lost it suggesting Niasmith. Total imposter and would be yet another jobs for the boys appointment, why not get Berra and Snodgrass to help him out while we are at it. Doesn't deserve the respect he gets on here and the squad certainly wouldn't respect him. Sorry I really don’t get that. Naismith was a leader on the park and when we lost him from the team our form dropped off a cliff. He is now involved, and obviously respected , in the most successful Scotland team we have had for a long time. To call him an imposter is out if order. I would give him a try and see how it goes until the end of season. My hope would be that he turns out to be similar to wee Doddie in the 80s. I don’t think for one minute Naismith would put up with some of the performances we are enduring at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Just now, Fozzyonthefence said: And presumably you saw the influence he had on the team when he was fit? 63.2% win rate with him in the team and 15.8% without him. But you’re choosing to ignore that for some reason. I doubt we had that win rate in the relegated season. Totally agree he was a good player in his first season or two, when he actually played. BUT the influence was because he was a good player not because he was a good leader, born winner etc No evidence of being a leader motivator etc because if he was anything near what folk are making out we wouldn't have been getting pumped every week by shite teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LochcarronJambo Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 56 minutes ago, jambopilms said: I'm saying he didnt motivate the team when he was club captain. Disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Horrendous shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 I'd back this. Neilson must go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: He'll conveniently ignore it of course. Naismith was massively influential for most of his time at hearts, before injuries took their toll. Massively influential as a good player not a leader and motivator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henroddy Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Nobody knows yet. Same as with any new manager before his first post. But he showed good attributes as a leader when playing. We look completely rudderless at the moment. Isn't he currently in charge of the B team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 An inevitable, piss easy, Budge-laden, don’t rock the boat appointment at some stage. She’d probably reappoint Levein given half a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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