Veggie Rationing

[The Hogfather]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

Every single media outlet is saying that the small shortage it's down to the weather.

The only one that even mention Brexit is the Guardian and even they are not using that as the reason

 

 

Seems like supply is fine on the continent. 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11779345/amp/Expats-taunt-Brits-photos-shelves-fruit-vegetables.html

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

13 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Well naw.  We could remove obstacles to be able to compete for labour supply and target meaningful financial support towards key industries

 

Amiwrang?

 

Which would be a step in the right direction, but not sarcastic and whingey enough.

[Taffin]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

A wee garnish of wild brambles?  

 

It'll do, low embedded carbon emissions as well 👍

Edited February 22, 2023 by Taffin

[been here before]

1 hour ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said:

All we need to do is head over to Glasgow, should be a surplice there 😉

 

Any excuse to post this yet again...

 

 

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

It'll do, low embedded carbon emissions as well 👍

Just make sure you pick from no lower than 3ft off the ground.

[Nucky Thompson]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Well naw.  We could remove obstacles to be able to compete for labour supply and target meaningful financial support towards key industries

 

Amiwrang?

Who's putting the obstacles for obtaining labour in the EU?

 

Spain to recruit Moroccan truck drivers to fill labour shortages | Reuters

 

Could this be one of the reasons for some of the shortages, if they've not got the drivers to export the stuff?

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

Which would be a step in the right direction, but not sarcastic and whingey enough.

 

Let us hope for a government not rendered to a basket case by the crippling ideology of Brexit and right wing,  free market idolatry,  political choice,  self harm.

[Victorian]

Just now, Nucky Thompson said:

Who's putting the obstacles for obtaining labour in the EU?

 

Spain to recruit Moroccan truck drivers to fill labour shortages | Reuters

 

Could this be one of the reasons for some of the shortages, if they've not got the drivers to export the stuff?

 

The point stands for labour supply throughout the entire economy.  We're still determined to self inflict limited labour supply upon ourselves as an ideological choice.  We should compete for the easiest supply of labour.  We do not.

[Nucky Thompson]

6 minutes ago, The Hogfather said:

Seems like supply is fine on the continent. 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11779345/amp/Expats-taunt-Brits-photos-shelves-fruit-vegetables.html

 

Did you even read all of the article or only get a far as the Mick Hucknall bit 

 

Spain are going to be fine because they grow the stuff 

[Cade]

Brexit may not be to blame for all of the economic ills that we are currently facing, but it's making them WORSE.

 

The UK is less able to deal with supply problems because of the idiotic hard brexit.

[il Duce McTarkin]

8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Let us hope for a government not rendered to a basket case by the crippling ideology of Brexit and right wing,  free market idolatry,  political choice,  self harm.

 

Amen.

[manaliveits105]

The price of energy caused by the Russian invasion has made it not viable for UK tomato growers to grow early and heat greenhouses - it will be April before  their next crop is ready 

Crops in Europe affected by unseasonal weather 

Weather - Energy Prices - Russian war 

 

 

 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Brexit may not be to blame for all of the economic ills that we are currently facing, but it's making them WORSE.

 

The UK is less able to deal with supply problems because of the idiotic hard brexit.

 

As ever,  whenever Brexit can be partly or mostly exonerated as the sole culprit,  Brexit is seamlessly exonerated in full.  

[The Hogfather]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Did you even read all of the article or only get a far as the Mick Hucknall bit 

 

Spain are going to be fine because they grow the stuff 

I liked the pretty picture of full shelves in France. 

[WorldChampions1902]

25 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

As ever,  whenever Brexit can be partly or mostly exonerated as the sole culprit,  Brexit is seamlessly exonerated in full.  

[RobboM]

Remember when Brexit was all promises and sunlit uplands. Now it's turnips for breakfast 😂

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, RobboM said:

Remember when Brexit was all promises and sunlit uplands. Now it's turnips for breakfast 😂

 

Ahem... your average Brexit gammon calls it a swede.

[RobboM]

7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Ahem... your average Brexit gammon calls it a swede.

As a Cornish boy a turnip is the yellow one. Don't start me on broccoli 🙂

[Korky]

53 minutes ago, Cade said:

Brexit may not be to blame for all of the economic ills that we are currently facing, but it's making them WORSE.

 

The UK is less able to deal with supply problems because of the idiotic hard brexit.

There’s a Brexit thread. This one’s supposed to be about veg. shortages.

[Dawnrazor]

 

6 minutes ago, RobboM said:

As a Cornish boy a turnip is the yellow one. Don't start me on broccoli 🙂

Never mind that, are you a jam on top of the cream or cream on top of the jam guy?

[RobboM]

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

 

Never mind that, are you a jam on top of the cream or cream on top of the jam guy?

Jam(bo) first and always 🙂
There's a variation though with Golden Syrup and clotted cream called Thunder & Lightning

Sorry for going off topic though, let's get back to why the **** UK voted for empty food shelves 😉

[il Duce McTarkin]

16 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Sorry for going off topic though, let's get back to why the **** UK voted for empty food shelves 😉

 

It didn't.

It voted less brown folk and those Slavs that talk funny.

The empty food shelves are a by-product of the lies (and some poor weather).

[Naisys Tackle]

No had peppers in Cameron Toll for a couple of weeks now.  Raging as I have them with everything.

[FWJ]

Careful Dirk.  You’re outing yourself as not at all Duce - like!

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

1 hour ago, been here before said:

 

Any excuse to post this yet again...

 

 

It has to be seen to be believed😂

[il Duce McTarkin]

44 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Careful Dirk.  You’re outing yourself as not at all Duce - like!

 

It's an act.

 

I'll be back to the facism tomorrow. 🤚

 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Dirk McTarkin

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

The price of energy caused by the Russian invasion has made it not viable for UK tomato growers to grow early and heat greenhouses - it will be April before  their next crop is ready 

Crops in Europe affected by unseasonal weather 

Weather - Energy Prices - Russian war 

 

 

 

More lies, nowhere else in Europe is struggling now. Just greed, aided and abetted by the current government. 
 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, RobboM said:

As a Cornish boy a turnip is the yellow one. Don't start me on broccoli 🙂

Not seen any for weeks 🥦😢

[il Duce McTarkin]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

 

 

Haud on. What about all those countries that were reliant on Ivan gas when only got 2% from there? How come their costs are less than a quarter of ours?

 

Sensible answers only, please. "ITS THE TOARIES AND BREXIT" doesn't count without a bit of technical explqnation. Ta.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Dirk McTarkin

[The Real Maroonblood]

13 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

More lies, nowhere else in Europe is struggling now. Just greed, aided and abetted by the current government. 
 

They’re robbing bar stewards in this country and are doing **** all about it.

Maybe Ofgem will help the consumers.

Oh wait a minute.

[Nucky Thompson]

18 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

More lies, nowhere else in Europe is struggling now. Just greed, aided and abetted by the current government. 
 

Do you believe every tweet that you read FFS 

 

It only takes seconds to get the full facts

 

Viral ‘average energy cost’ Europe price list is not what it seems - Full Fact

 

 

 

 

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

They’re robbing bar stewards in this country and are doing **** all about it.

Maybe Ofgem will help the consumers.

Oh wait a minute.

 

Part of the issue is them shafting us by charging the most expensive price for electricity (from gas powered stations) regardless of what percentage that accounts for of the supply.

 

Absolutely **** all getting done to charge an average price.

[moogsy]

15 minutes ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

Haud on. What about all those countries that were reliant on Ivan gas when only got 2% from there? How come their costs are less than a quarter of ours?

 

Sensible answers only, please. "ITS THE TOARIES AND BREXIT" doesn't count without a bit of technical explqnation. Ta.

 

 

Fake news 

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/energy-prices-europe-comparison/

 

The whole of Europe is ****ed to varying degrees when it comes to energy, with the UK by no means the worst. Here’s a website with accurate data:

https://www.energypriceindex.com/price-data

 

[Nucky Thompson]

9 minutes ago, moogsy said:

Fake news 

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/energy-prices-europe-comparison/

 

The whole of Europe is ****ed to varying degrees when it comes to energy, with the UK by no means the worst. Here’s a website with accurate data:

https://www.energypriceindex.com/price-data

 

Either folk are as gullible as feck or they just believe the stuff that suits their agendas 

[The Real Maroonblood]

13 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Part of the issue is them shafting us by charging the most expensive price for electricity (from gas powered stations) regardless of what percentage that accounts for of the supply.

 

Absolutely **** all getting done to charge an average price.

How can people can afford  to pay the prices?

Maybe living on tick which won’t end well.

[Victorian]

The groceries sector is highly exposed to and reactive to each marketplace it operates in.  The large grocers know their customers and the contents of their customers' pockets.  It is no accident that UK grocers are reluctant to pay the going rate for produce that is being procured by European counterparts.  It would help if UK grocers were not fully aware of the scale of how their customers are being bent double by other household budget outgoings that are a different picture elsewhere.  No accident.

 

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Either folk are as gullible as feck or they just

 

 

We all do, to a degree.

[Pasquale for King]

47 minutes ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

Haud on. What about all those countries that were reliant on Ivan gas when only got 2% from there? How come their costs are less than a quarter of ours?

 

Sensible answers only, please. "ITS THE TOARIES AND BREXIT" doesn't count without a bit of technical explqnation. Ta.

 

 

When I was studying British Economic history we were told the UK doesnt store gas, it sells in the summer cheaply and buys it back in the winter for double. 
First link i found seems to explain it. 
https://eciu.net/insights/2022/energy-prices-how-the-uk-compares

 

https://www.ft.com/content/3bb53193-da20-4860-bed6-c2781dff1ea0

Edited February 22, 2023 by Pasquale for King

[manaliveits105]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Either folk are as gullible as feck or they just believe the stuff that suits their agendas 

Indeed - foghorns without the fog - believed by dafties 

[Maple Leaf]

Does anyone actually eat cucumbers?

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

Does anyone actually eat cucumbers?

Only if if it’s covered by other stuff. 

[XB52]

Every msm outlet afraid to mention brexit. If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious

[Greedy Jambo]

The Tomatoes in this country are bloody awful anyway, they're doing us a favour. 

[Maple Leaf]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Only if if it’s covered by other stuff. 

Exactly.  There are plenty of cucumbers on the shelves here; I assumed it was because people are walking past them.

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Every msm outlet afraid to mention brexit. If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious

BBC actually saying it has nothing to do with it. 

[periodictabledancer]

17 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

When I was studying British Economic history we were told the UK doesnt store gas, it sells in the summer cheaply and buys it back in the winter for double. 
First link i found seems to explain it. 
https://eciu.net/insights/2022/energy-prices-how-the-uk-compares

 

https://www.ft.com/content/3bb53193-da20-4860-bed6-c2781dff1ea0

The UK has no capability for storing gas - it only ever had the capability to store a few days and even that was binned (with govt consent) because the gas companies didn't want to pay the massive refurb costs involved.

 

Even worse, the UK sold record amounts of gas to countries such as NL last summer. The Dutch govt provided the upfront funding and the Dutch companies put it into their own massive stores.

The UK company (Centrica ?) even bragged about the record sales figures in their annual statement.

 

This country has NO energy security policy - much the same is its food security policy. 

[periodictabledancer]

21 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

BBC actually saying it has nothing to do with it. 

Fair enough.

But I'm still waiting on an explanation as to how there's a shortage of the stuff in the UK but not in Europe especially as the supermarket chains as of last night had said bugger all about the problem and compounded by the British Retail Consortium talking head on C4News tonight who laughably spoke of their  fantastic supply chains. 

If the supply chains are that good , why is there rationing ? And why isn't Europe affected ? 

 

https://discontinuednews.com/tomato-shortage/

 

This guy was on the money - from Decemeber last year.

 

Tomato Shortage In The UK

... the United Kingdom might run out of stock for some food items. The national farmers union of the United Kingdom has warned the government about the upcoming problem that the country might face during the holiday season. Due to high operational costs and using fertilizers, the capital investment has become high. As a result, many people are quitting farming and starting different businesses.

 During Christmas, the demand for food items is higher than usual. The things that risk going out of stock are tomatoes, cucumbers, and eggs. 

Similarly, eggs ...

 The chances of cucumbers going out of stock also remain threatening.

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by periodictabledancer

[Pasquale for King]

14 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

The UK has no capability for storing gas - it only ever had the capability to store a few days and even that was binned (with govt consent) because the gas companies didn't want to pay the massive refurb costs involved.

 

Even worse, the UK sold record amounts of gas to countries such as NL last summer. The Dutch govt provided the upfront funding and the Dutch companies put it into their own massive stores.

The UK company (Centrica ?) even bragged about the record sales figures in their annual statement.

 

This country has NO energy security policy - much the same is its food security policy. 

Crazy, wasnt sure if it had been rectified recently but no surprise that it hasn’t. 

 

5 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

Fair enough.

But I'm still waiting on an explanation as to how there's a shortage of the stuff in the UK but not in Europe especially as the supermarket chains as of last night had said bugger all about the problem and compounded by the British Retail Consortium talking head on C4News tonight who laughably spoke of their  fantastic supply chains. 

If the supply chains are that good , why is there rationing ? And why isn't Europe affected ? 

 

https://discontinuednews.com/tomato-shortage/

 

This guy was on the money - from Decemeber last year.

 

Spot on, they know that folk will accept that if they can frame these problems as a War effort. 
The article is worrying as i do rely on tomatoes a lot just now. 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Pasquale for King

[periodictabledancer]

30 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Every msm outlet afraid to mention brexit. If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious

A tough one when most of them were rabid brexiters to begin with. 

[Korky]

30 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Every msm outlet afraid to mention brexit. If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious

Why would they be afraid? This isn’t China…………….yet.