What is woke and how does it impact you?

[i wish jj was my dad]

18 minutes ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

 

They've convinced us that it's what we want, that it's for our own good, and that we can't live without it.

We're effectively bending over, taking it dry and thanking them for it. A tiny % of the population are making obscene amounts of money from it and using a rabid right wing media and Internet screechbots to distract us from it by targeting their guns on sections of our communities for being 'different'. 

Getting a stiffie from watching some workmen manhandle some well meaning but misguided protestors is a prime example of that in action. 

[BlueRiver]

You'll all be voting Green next election I take it? 

[Dick Dastardly]

Just now, BlueRiver said:

You'll all be voting Green next election I take it? 

Na, too hibsy a colour for me. 

[Ked]

7 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

You'll all be voting Green next election I take it? 

Always get my second vote.

Probably get both now.

They've been a let down tbh but that doesn't take away from my belief that we treat the place like a toilet 

.

Need to show those that make decisions that we want  environmental issues at the fore.

So yes I will.

 

 

As an aside Scaffs think their solid and have always nipped my nut.

 

[BlueRiver]

Just now, Ked said:

Always get my second vote.

Probably get both now.

They've been a let down tbh but that doesn't take away from my belief that we treat the place like a toilet 

.

Need to show those that make decisions that we want  environmental issues at the fore.

So yes I will.

 

 

As an aside Scaffs think their solid and have always nipped my nut.

 

 

Good to hear it Ked.

 

Pains me that they're a little weirdo party in Scotland but their core environmental platform needs the support. 

 

 

[Ked]

12 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

All these cranky oul' gits salivating at the prospect of young protesters being told where to get off by thugs.

Ah.

I'm sympathetic to the JSO lot and not keen on scaffs.

So in this case no.

 

I honestly can say I'm not as keen to see violence dished out as I get older.

 

[Ked]

Just now, BlueRiver said:

 

Good to hear it Ked.

 

Pains me that they're a little weirdo party in Scotland but their core environmental platform needs the support. 

 

 

Mmm they do seem sidetracked

[JudyJudyJudy]

34 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

Finally watched the video expecting some kind of thuggish beat down. Disappointed. 

 

Bunch of young guys push a bunch of young guys off the road. Nothing you don't see every weekend when an overrefreshed gentleman is being escorted to the door of the establishment. 

Exactly . They were remarkably restrained . I thought the “ left wingers “ on this would be applauding the proletariat putting the bourgeoisie in their place ? 😎

[i wish jj was my dad]

25 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

You'll all be voting Green next election I take it? 

Unlikely. I've become so cynical about politicians that I'm kinda 'none of the above' which is sadly the reason why we have endured Brexit, Trump, Johnson and Truss.  Big corporations thrive on creating that sort of discord as it allows them to portray those ****s as populist alternatives so that they can rein back the state promote enable them to make more money at our expense.

 

The Scottish Greens are pathetic and it's embarrassing having the likes of Slater and Harvie in government.  I don't know enough about the UK Greens but I thought Caroline Lucas usually came across as sensible. 

 

I'm just so scunnered with politics and dismayed that a well-meaning cause like just stop oil focus their enrgies on disrupting the lives of Joe Bloggs while the Rees-Moggs and Murdochs of this world are laughing at our stupidity.  

[Ulysses]

4 hours ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

Röhm's brownshirts were fairly popular amongst those of more advanced years iirc.

 

We should swap brownshirts for hi-vis, maybe?  

[i wish jj was my dad]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

We should swap brownshirts for hi-vis, maybe?  

Yip. The parallels are there to see for anyone with a brain. 

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Quite honestly wonder if they do more harm than good overall re. the cause they're passionate about. 

 

Perhaps.  I don't think that's a good enough reason to prefer the behaviour of thugs.

 

 

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

Tbh they're so off-putting I don't even care to go look. 

 

There are many organisations out there whose messages or methods don't catch my attention or appeal to me.  I don't think that's a good enough reason to prefer the behaviour of thugs.

 

 

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Often with these XR and JSO protests it's a bunch of rich retirees gluing their arses to roads. It's not always this young vs old thing. 

 

Most of the XR and JSO protests I've seen have involved younger people.  But even if it's older people....

 

....I don't think that's a good enough reason to prefer the behaviour of thugs.

 

 

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

 

It irritates me as well because I'm a bit of an eco warrior, quinoa muncher and you just end up all tarred with the big brush. I see how little folk even care to engage now and a lot of the time they bring up these ****wits. 

 

 

Does that mean we should prefer the behaviour of thugs?

 

 

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

Finally watched the video expecting some kind of thuggish beat down. Disappointed. 

 

Bunch of young guys push a bunch of young guys off the road. Nothing you don't see every weekend when an overrefreshed gentleman is being escorted to the door of the establishment. 

 

Disappointed that there was no thuggish beat down?  Does that mean you'd have been happier if the thugs had given them a good kicking and that had been posted up on video for our entertainment?

 

 

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Overall though not getting your point Uly.

 

Are you getting it now? 

 

[Ulysses]

42 minutes ago, Ked said:

I honestly can say I'm not as keen to see violence dished out as I get older.

 

Nor am I.  Mind you, I was never keen to see it get dished out.  

 

[BlueRiver]

9 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Perhaps.  I don't think that's a good enough reason to prefer the behaviour of thugs.

 

 

 

There are many organisations out there whose messages or methods don't catch my attention or appeal to me.  I don't think that's a good enough reason to prefer the behaviour of thugs.

 

 

 

Most of the XR and JSO protests I've seen have involved younger people.  But even if it's older people....

 

....I don't think that's a good enough reason to prefer the behaviour of thugs.

 

 

 

Does that mean we should prefer the behaviour of thugs?

 

 

 

Disappointed that there was no thuggish beat down?  Does that mean you'd have been happier if the thugs had given them a good kicking and that had been posted up on video for our entertainment?

 

 

 

Are you getting it now? 

 

 

I meant I wasn't getting the old vs young angle you were taking. 

 

I understand your objection to "thugs". Although my threshold for thugs is a bit higher than shoving a couple folk off the road. 

[BlueRiver]

27 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Unlikely. I've become so cynical about politicians that I'm kinda 'none of the above' which is sadly the reason why we have endured Brexit, Trump, Johnson and Truss.  Big corporations thrive on creating that sort of discord as it allows them to portray those ****s as populist alternatives so that they can rein back the state promote enable them to make more money at our expense.

 

The Scottish Greens are pathetic and it's embarrassing having the likes of Slater and Harvie in government.  I don't know enough about the UK Greens but I thought Caroline Lucas usually came across as sensible. 

 

I'm just so scunnered with politics and dismayed that a well-meaning cause like just stop oil focus their enrgies on disrupting the lives of Joe Bloggs while the Rees-Moggs and Murdochs of this world are laughing at our stupidity.  

 

Fair enough. Can't really disagree with that. 

[il Duce McTarkin]

1 hour ago, BlueRiver said:

You'll all be voting Green next election I take it? 

 

Yes.

 

46 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

 

Pains me that they're a little weirdo party in Scotland but their core environmental platform needs the support. 

 

 

 

The bit in bold is why they'll get my support, despite the other bit.

 

46 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I thought the “ left wingers “ on this would be applauding the proletariat putting the bourgeoisie in their place ? 😎

 

Your attitude has some striking parallels with anti-intellectualism, james.

[JudyJudyJudy]

28 minutes ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

Yes.

 

 

The bit in bold is why they'll get my support, despite the other bit.

 

 

Your attitude has some striking parallels with anti-intellectualism, james.

oh get u with your " anti intellectualism" speak....wow.....you must be very intelligent...btw i like the arts and science. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

52 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

We should swap brownshirts for hi-vis, maybe?  

hi - vis please

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

oh get u with your " anti intellectualism" speak....wow.....you must be very intelligent...btw i like the arts and science. 

What colour were they on trivial pursuit 🤔

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

Your attitude has some striking parallels with anti-intellectualism, james.

 

Not to mention his intellect! 🤯

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

 

 

Your attitude has some striking parallels with anti-intellectualism, james.

Quote of the year.

[JudyJudyJudy]

32 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

What colour were they on trivial pursuit 🤔

Entertainment is pink I remember that doll . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

30 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Not to mention his intellect! 🤯

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

25 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Quote of the year.

🤮 

[JudyJudyJudy]

35 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

What colour were they on trivial pursuit 🤔

Actually that’s a good name for this forum “ trivial pursuit “ 

[JudyJudyJudy]

[Ked]

4 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

We're effectively bending over, taking it dry and thanking them for it. A tiny % of the population are making obscene amounts of money from it and using a rabid right wing media and Internet screechbots to distract us from it by targeting their guns on sections of our communities for being 'different'. 

Getting a stiffie from watching some workmen manhandle some well meaning but misguided protestors is a prime example of that in action. 

You do realise you are in the top tiny percent.

It's also interesting that you think the media has stirred hatred towards those that are different .

That's not quite the whole truth.

If we are saying there's media manipulation I agree.

Where I don't agree is the travel of manipulation. 

 

[Ked]

16 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

🤮

😄

 

3 hours ago, Dirk McTarkin said:

 

 

 

 

Your attitude has some striking parallels with anti-intellectualism, james.

In what way?

 

Is it the criticism of universities /students?

Because some of the stuff recently from places of education have been a concern.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, Ked said:

😄

 

In what way?

 

Is it the criticism of universities /students?

Because some of the stuff recently from places of education have been a concern.

 

Oh he’s all over the place , one minute Mussolini next minute Lenin . And yes universities aren’t exactly the place of free speech , tolerance , debate and enlightenment they once were . 

[Ked]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Oh he’s all over the place , one minute Mussolini next minute Lenin . And yes universities aren’t exactly the place of free speech , tolerance , debate and enlightenment they once were . 

I'm wouldn't say he's all over the place.

I hold views that are conservative and Liberal ,nationalist etc.

So do you Judy.

I just wondered why he thought that.

 

 

[ri Alban]

How come these avengers never appear when it's orange walks, right wing rallies, and other stuff that puts people out of their usual day to day movement. They only seem to be angry at folk who(they think) won't fight back. One day that we twat will get knocked they feck out by some big angry fecker who hates right wing talk tv/GB news fascists, who only hate what the fascist /Tory tells them to hate. They'd probably join Hitler's military if he were to be about today. Just look at the disciples of Trump and Boris. 

One day soon this will come to a head and they good folk will feck these ***** up, permanently.

[Ked]

20 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

How come these avengers never appear when it's orange walks, right wing rallies, and other stuff that puts people out of their usual day to day movement. They only seem to be angry at folk who(they think) won't fight back. One day that we twat will get knocked they feck out by some big angry fecker who hates right wing talk tv/GB news fascists, who only hate what the fascist /Tory tells them to hate. They'd probably join Hitler's military if he were to be about today. Just look at the disciples of Trump and Boris. 

One day soon this will come to a head and they good folk will feck these ***** up, permanently.

Were these avengers not just some scaffs on their way to/from work.

 

Do you go for a hunt the brit scrap at walks?

 

[ri Alban]

Some folk are not indoctrinated, they are just racists who have been empowered by the media and Government. The leash has been removed and now have no boundaries as they see it's not a problem anymore.

[i wish jj was my dad]

47 minutes ago, Ked said:

You do realise you are in the top tiny percent.

It's also interesting that you think the media has stirred hatred towards those that are different .

That's not quite the whole truth.

If we are saying there's media manipulation I agree.

Where I don't agree is the travel of manipulation. 

 

I know how lucky I am to live in relative comfort and safety.  I know I also benefit from cheap products being produced by people less fortunate than me but I am certainly not making obscene amounts of money. Nor am I deliberately exploiting anyone for my own personal gain. 

I am certain however that our media and current government, particularly Cruella, are deliberately stirring up the hard of thinking to target groups of society to distract them from the utter mess they are making. Just Stop Oil's tactics of disrupting ordinary people's lives make them an easy target.  

[Ked]

6 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I know how lucky I am to live in relative comfort and safety.  I know I also benefit from cheap products being produced by people less fortunate than me but I am certainly not making obscene amounts of money. Nor am I deliberately exploiting anyone for my own personal gain. 

I am certain however that our media and current government, particularly Cruella, are deliberately stirring up the hard of thinking to target groups of society to distract them from the utter mess they are making. Just Stop Oil's tactics of disrupting ordinary people's liv make them an easy target.  

I'm not disagreeing.

I'm asking if you think that do you also think that there's a deliberate stirring in the opposite way?

Because I'm sorry and take out the jso bit ,these so called culture wars seem inhabited by the brainless never mind hard of thinking.

 

There's a whole new way that's deemed correct and not to be challenged .

There's a variety of subjects from sexual identity to race ..you know the subjects.

Everyday life for me sees nothing of what seems to be problematic.

I live in a multi cultural place(Gorgie) everyone seems fine with each other.

I see fairly regularly boys and older men dressed like women.

And there's no grief.

 

The media whatever that is nowadays has played equally the opposite  of which you say.

Which just confirms my conspiratorial mind.

It's a distraction alright.

And it's deliberate. 

 

[Ked]

22 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I know how lucky I am to live in relative comfort and safety.  I know I also benefit from cheap products being produced by people less fortunate than me but I am certainly not making obscene amounts of money. Nor am I deliberately exploiting anyone for my own personal gain. 

I am certain however that our media and current government, particularly Cruella, are deliberately stirring up the hard of thinking to target groups of society to distract them from the utter mess they are making. Just Stop Oil's tactics of disrupting ordinary people's lives make them an easy target.  

Just an aside.

While we type on our phone we are well aware of the conditions and the labour used to build them.

We may not deliberately be exploiting children but neither you or I really cares.

[Jeffros Furios]

I'm extremely woke

[i wish jj was my dad]

9 minutes ago, Ked said:

I'm not disagreeing.

I'm asking if you think that do you also think that there's a deliberate stirring in the opposite way?

Because I'm sorry and take out the jso bit ,these so called culture wars seem inhabited by the brainless never mind hard of thinking.

 

There's a whole new way that's deemed correct and not to be challenged .

There's a variety of subjects from sexual identity to race ..you know the subjects.

Everyday life for me sees nothing of what seems to be problematic.

I live in a multi cultural place(Gorgie) everyone seems fine with each other.

I see fairly regularly boys and older men dressed like women.

And there's no grief.

 

The media whatever that is nowadays has played equally the opposite  of which you say.

Which just confirms my conspiratorial mind.

It's a distraction alright.

And it's deliberate. 

 

Sorry, I didn't catch that point.

FWIW, I don't hold with extremists of any side and agree that arseholery runs both ways.

 

The difference is that in the UK the media is very much run by the right wing like Harmsworth and Murdoch so the left don't have anything like the reach or influence of those bams.

 

It's not new. I was brought up in a community that was destroyed by thatcher in the 80s with rampant sectarianism, racism, homophobia and general intolerance which fed from the shite lives people were living and the willingness to blame someone else for it. The Sun and other rags duly obliged and people lapped up their shite. It created a lot of unnecessary division, bullying, violence.  People got hurt. 

 

That's where this 'distraction' can take us. Getting a throbber about some 'decent, working class lads' pushing around some do-gooders making a nuisance of themselves is an example of that. There are enough dafties about who will get a throbber at having a similar opportunity JSO, XR or some other misguided group make a nuisance of themselves. 

 

 

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

28 minutes ago, Ked said:

Just an aside.

While we type on our phone we are well aware of the conditions and the labour used to build them.

We may not deliberately be exploiting children but neither you or I really cares.

Yep. I accept that. I don't like it but I'm not enough of an activist to start living like Richard Bryers and Felicity Kendall.  

[Dick Dastardly]

38 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Yep. I accept that. I don't like it but I'm not enough of an activist to start living like Richard Bryers and Felicity Kendall.  

You'd definitely lower your carbon footprint if you started to live like Richard Briars

[Ked]

31 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Sorry, I didn't catch that point.

FWIW, I don't hold with extremists of any side and agree that arseholery runs both ways.

 

The difference is that in the UK the media is very much run by the right wing like Harmsworth and Murdoch so the left don't have anything like the reach or influence of those bams.

 

It's not new. I was brought up in a community that was destroyed by thatcher in the 80s with rampant sectarianism, racism, homophobia and general intolerance which fed from the shite lives people were living and the willingness to blame someone else for it. The Sun and other rags duly obliged and people lapped up their shite. It created a lot of unnecessary division, bullying, violence.  People got hurt. 

 

That's where this 'distraction' can take us. Getting a throbber about some 'decent, working class lads' pushing around some do-gooders making a nuisance of themselves is an example of that. There are enough dafties about who will get a throbber at having a similar opportunity JSO, XR or some other misguided group make a nuisance of themselves. 

 

 

 

That's my point.

Editorials as you say shaping opinion.

And the few controlling the news.

Which most use as their intake even if theyre discerning theyre essentually listening to the same message.

You can find examples of the exact same scripts worldwide on certain stories /issues.

 

But you think it's only hard of thinking that are influenced by them.

The culture wars that are reflected by any side of the media is because we are effectively a one party state.

And they have to divide opinion into only two views.

The age old tactic.

Anyway .....

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

1 hour ago, Ked said:

That's my point.

Editorials as you say shaping opinion.

And the few controlling the news.

Which most use as their intake even if theyre discerning theyre essentually listening to the same message.

You can find examples of the exact same scripts worldwide on certain stories /issues.

 

But you think it's only hard of thinking that are influenced by them.

The culture wars that are reflected by any side of the media is because we are effectively a one party state.

And they have to divide opinion into only two views.

The age old tactic.

Anyway .....

 

The hard of thinking are certainly very easy to influence. When I was young and less capable of forming my own opinions, i swallowed a lot of guff the sun churned out. I'm rather harder to influence as an adult but not everyone is. That's why the North of England voted for Brexit and  the red wall turned blue. Stop the boats, culture wars and trans. Folk that lap that shite up are very hard of thinking. 

[il Duce McTarkin]

We need more stop the boats, culture wars and trans imo.

[JudyJudyJudy]

  oh well the usual suspects have joined the pile on.  dearie me

 

anyway its Saturday night . im off to meet the lads for a night out..

 

unsure whether ill be in any fit state to watch the boxing at 4am though although two men licking each other around the ring sounds interesting.

 

Have  a good Saturday night 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

When the conversation you had in your echo chamber to other cultists is Then leaked online , #boycottwickes 

 

 

 

[JFK-1]

I don't know what woke is so how could I know how it impacts me. But this formed an interesting short comment.

 

Konstantin Kisin and Bill Maher discuss the the dangers of wokeness and prioritizing Diversity and Inclusion.

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

I don't know what woke is so how could I know how it impacts me. But this formed an interesting short comment.

 

Konstantin Kisin and Bill Maher discuss the the dangers of wokeness and prioritizing Diversity and Inclusion.

 

 

 

Excellent 

[Francis Albert]

Wokery has little effect on me me but one thing I have complained about is its effect on the English language wich at best renders it ugly but at worst actually makes langage ambiguous or even meaning less. There is a good example is the reporting of the latest BBC scandal involving the presenter and a youngster paid to allow the presenter to take pictures of the unclothed victim. The report (in the Sunday Telegraph of all places)  uses the woke "they" pronoun  to avoid specifying the gender of the two involved. The article says ""The unidentified presenter is alleged to to have sent over £35,000 to the then teenager beginning three years ago when they were just 17, and which they are said to have used to fund a crack cocaine addiction".

In plain English this suggests the youngster and the presenter were 17 wnen the relationship started and that both presenter and the youngster used the £35,000 to fund the cocaine habit of each of them. This seems unlikely and is at the very least totally ambiguous.  The confusion and damage to the English language could be very easily avoided by referring to the victim as the "youngster" or (as the mother does in quotes  the "child". 

But someone on the Telegraph decided being woke meant more than clarity.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Francis Albert

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Wokery has little effect on me me but one thing I have complained about is its effect on the English language wich at best renders it ugly but at worst actually makes langage ambiguous or even meaning less. There is a good example is the reporting of the latest BBC scandal involving the presenter and a youngster paid to allow the presenter to take pictures of the unclothed victim. The report (in the Sunday Telegraph of all places)  uses the woke "they" pronoun  to avoid specifying the gender of the two involved. The article says ""The unidentified presenter is alleged to to have sent over £35,000 to the then teenager beginning three years ago when they were just 17, and which they are said to have used to fund a crack cocaine addiction".

In plain English this suggests the youngster and the presenter were 17 wnen the relationship started and that both presenter and the youngster used the £35,000 to fund the cocaine habit of each of them. This seems unlikely and is at the very least totally ambiguous.  The confusion and damage to the English language could be very easily avoided by referring to the victim as the "youngster" or (as the mother does in quotes  the "child". 

But someone on the Telegraph decided being woke meant more than clarity.

Not sure it’s as simple as woke. All of these stories will get run through media legal teams. They very often strip back detail to the minimum - not to be woke but not limit the risk of identification and libel action. Libel law in the UK is v strict in comparison to say the US. 

 

I get the feeling that whoever this is will have to be identified soon because by leaving things as they are, people who aren’t involved are getting unfairly accused on social media. It’s a mess.

[redjambo]

13 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Wokery has little effect on me me but one thing I have complained about is its effect on the English language wich at best renders it ugly but at worst actually makes langage ambiguous or even meaning less. There is a good example is the reporting of the latest BBC scandal involving the presenter and a youngster paid to allow the presenter to take pictures of the unclothed victim. The report (in the Sunday Telegraph of all places)  uses the woke "they" pronoun  to avoid specifying the gender of the two involved. The article says ""The unidentified presenter is alleged to to have sent over £35,000 to the then teenager beginning three years ago when they were just 17, and which they are said to have used to fund a crack cocaine addiction".

In plain English this suggests the youngster and the presenter were 17 wnen the relationship started and that both presenter and the youngster used the £35,000 to fund the cocaine habit of each of them. This seems unlikely and is at the very least totally ambiguous.  The confusion and damage to the English language could be very easily avoided by referring to the victim as the "youngster" or (as the mother does in quotes  the "child". 

But someone on the Telegraph decided being woke meant more than clarity.

 

The use of "they" and "them" pronouns in order to indicate the 1st person singular without indicating the sex of the person has been used in English for a long while now, certainly before the current gender debate, and is very useful in that respect. It has nothing to do with being "woke".

 

In fact, the use of "they" and "them" in this regard first emerged in the English language by the 14th century:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

 

This use of singular they had emerged by the 14th century, about a century after the plural they. It has been commonly employed in everyday English ever since and has gained currency in official contexts. Singular they has been criticised since the mid-18th century by prescriptive commentators who consider it an error. Its continued use in modern standard English has become more common and formally accepted with the move toward gender-neutral language. Though some early-21st-century style guides described it as colloquial and less appropriate in formal writing, by 2020, most style guides accepted the singular they as a personal pronoun.