Smithee Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 It's another one that gets brought up everywhere, it's a big problem apparently. What is woke though and why is it such a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Being 'woke' was originally a term for someone who was simply attentive and tuned in to important issues and social injustices etc. However, as is always the case in the Twitter realm, there are lots of militant, extreme examples who go out of their way to be offended by absolutely everything and kick up a massive fuss about trivial things. Now 'woke' is associated with people like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithee Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Being 'woke' was originally a term for someone who was simply attentive and tuned in to important issues and social injustices etc. However, as is always the case in the Twitter realm, there are lots of militant, extreme examples who go out of their way to be offended by absolutely everything and kick up a massive fuss about trivial things. Now 'woke' is associated with people like that. Not exclusively though, I saw a tweet saying the commonwealth games opening ceremony was woke nonsense, are they meant to celebrate the subjugation of these countries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaman Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Woke having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those related to civil and human rights: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, Boof said: It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. Nailed it in one 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Just now, Ray Gin said: Being 'woke' was originally a term for someone who was simply attentive and tuned in to important issues and social injustices etc. However, as is always the case in the Twitter realm, there are lots of militant, extreme examples who go out of their way to be offended by absolutely everything and kick up a massive fuss about trivial things. Now 'woke' is associated with people like that. Couldn't have put it better. Originally a great concept about acknowledging that different groups of peoples have different needs , views, opinions, life experiences and we need to think about this and be empathic and sympathetic to this. However it has now been sabotaged by extremists who DEMAND not argue or debate issues. Thought policing really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 5 minutes ago, Smithee said: Not exclusively though, I saw a tweet saying the commonwealth games opening ceremony was woke nonsense, are they meant to celebrate the subjugation of these countries? Ah yes, bigots will consider anything that is politically correct or inclusive of other cultures as being "woke nonsense". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Originally a great concept about acknowledging that different groups of peoples have different needs , views, opinions, life experiences and we need to think about this and be empathic and sympathetic to this. I'd just describe that as being a decent human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Excellent article Why ‘woke’ became toxic | LGBTQ | Al Jazeera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 7 minutes ago, Imaman said: Woke having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those related to civil and human rights: It's a term I'm only aware of due to spending too much time on Twitter but it annoys me that it's become a weapon. That thick turd Suella Braverman launched her ill-fated campaign for Tory leadership by vowing to get rid of all this "woke nonsense". I fully get that there are some who spot injustices in every crevice of conversation and will knit their lentils in protest but, by and large, those who get referred to as 'woke' by the gammonati are just people who don't like seeing other people getting picked, bullied on or otherwise put at a disadvantage. i.e. decent folk who give a shit about others. 10 minutes ago, Boof said: It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. This is excellent, although I can't say I've come across anyone describing themselves as woke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 18 minutes ago, Boof said: It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. Haha. And that's the bullseye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithee Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 19 minutes ago, Boof said: It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. Does neither - just a regular jkb arsehole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Nothing wrong with bring woke as long as you don't lose your sense of humour imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithee Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 Just now, Hansel said: Nothing wrong with bring woke as long as you don't lose your sense of humour imo I quite like the thought of annoying gammon 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 35 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Being 'woke' was originally a term for someone who was simply attentive and tuned in to important issues and social injustices etc. However, as is always the case in the Twitter realm, there are lots of militant, extreme examples who go out of their way to be offended by absolutely everything and kick up a massive fuss about trivial things. Now 'woke' is associated with people like that. A prime example is, Gary Lineker being forced to delete this tweet after the English ladies winning the Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Just now, iantjambo said: A prime example is, Gary Lineker being forced to delete this tweet after the English ladies winning the Euros. Oh man, not that story. This stuff is so predictable. He wasn't "forced" to do anything. A handful of tweets took an issue with what he said (we're talking like maybe 3 people on Twitter) so he chose to delete it and explained a small misunderstanding. That's all. It's absolutely nothing. Some tabloid runs with it because tabloids are so good now at knowing what drives engagement on social media. And then the system goes into overdrive. A few stiffs shouldn't have complained, he shouldn't have deleted it, it certainly shouldn't be news, and I shouldn't even be commenting on it 😄. And around and around we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 40 minutes ago, Boof said: It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. Can’t stand woke folk. Oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 7 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Oh man, not that story. This stuff is so predictable. He wasn't "forced" to do anything. A handful of tweets took an issue with what he said (we're talking like maybe 3 people on Twitter) so he chose to delete it and explained a small misunderstanding. That's all. It's absolutely nothing. Some tabloid runs with it because tabloids are so good now at knowing what drives engagement on social media. And then the system goes into overdrive. A few stiffs shouldn't have complained, he shouldn't have deleted it, it certainly shouldn't be news, and I shouldn't even be commenting on it 😄. And around and around we go... But he clearly felt he had to. Which is exactly the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 minutes ago, iantjambo said: But he clearly felt he had to. Which is exactly the point. Maybe. But even at that it's a nothing event. It doesn't show anything. We all do this kind of thing all the time. When we're with people face to face and we say something that doesn't land or looks like it made people uncomfortable, we usually go "oh, sorry, didn't mean that, came out wrong, let me try again". That's all he did. Except when Gary Lineker says something on twitter he's saying it to millions of people. Which is of course a well known problem online - many don't act like they do in real life. Few people in real life would notice they upset someone and say "well I don't care, I'm sticking to what I said so ****jng deal with it". 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 A bogus construct perpetuated by cretins and arseholes with anti-social, fascist tendencies who attempt to denigrate the opinions and motives of people they don't agree with. A bogus and dishonest self-justification of obnoxious attitudes by creating categories of people to be vilified that don't exist. Slime being slime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who believe there are two kinds of people in this world and those who are smart enough to know better.” Tom Robbins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Boof said: It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. Extremists on both ends of the scale are trying to make this whole bullshit culture war into something it's not. Ostensibly, "woke" just means "acknowledging that racism, sexism and other bigotry is rife in society and actively working to make sure you're not part of it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Boof said: It's a handy way to distinguish arseholes from normal folk. Describe themselves as woke - social justice warrior-type arsehole. Describe others as woke - gammon arsehole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Victorian said: A bogus construct perpetuated by cretins and arseholes with anti-social, fascist tendencies who attempt to denigrate the opinions and motives of people they don't agree with. A bogus and dishonest self-justification of obnoxious attitudes by creating categories of people to be vilified that don't exist. Slime being slime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Dan Wootton is forever using the word ‘woke’ in derogatory fashion and Dan Wootton is a fat, odious, nonce-faced shite so I’m with the woke brigade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Oh man, not that story. This stuff is so predictable. He wasn't "forced" to do anything. A handful of tweets took an issue with what he said (we're talking like maybe 3 people on Twitter) so he chose to delete it and explained a small misunderstanding. That's all. It's absolutely nothing. Some tabloid runs with it because tabloids are so good now at knowing what drives engagement on social media. And then the system goes into overdrive. A few stiffs shouldn't have complained, he shouldn't have deleted it, it certainly shouldn't be news, and I shouldn't even be commenting on it 😄. And around and around we go... Aye, tabloids must have dozens of "journalists" who just spend their days trawling through the Twatter posts of celebs/sports stars/pop stars/politicians etc ........ looking for "storm in a proverbial" spats with their followers so they can amplify it on tomorrow's front page. Multi-millionaires inventing stuff to argue about online just so they get even more publicity and features in Hello mag. Its all utter b0ll0cks. As was all that Wagatha sh1t. No idea who's gammon or who's woke - they merge into one, at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Maybe. But even at that it's a nothing event. It doesn't show anything. We all do this kind of thing all the time. When we're with people face to face and we say something that doesn't land or looks like it made people uncomfortable, we usually go "oh, sorry, didn't mean that, came out wrong, let me try again". That's all he did. Except when Gary Lineker says something on twitter he's saying it to millions of people. Which is of course a well known problem online - many don't act like they do in real life. Few people in real life would notice they upset someone and say "well I don't care, I'm sticking to what I said so ****jng deal with it". 😄 Don’t forget that the Sun and the Mail don’t like the BBC so for them it’s any excuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Dan Wootton is forever using the word ‘woke’ in derogatory fashion and Dan Wootton is a fat, odious, nonce-faced shite so I’m with the woke brigade You usually hear the same types talking about 'woke nonsense' in the media. They're generally the types that thought Brexit was a great idea, Rwanda is a brilliant plan etc etc. They're predominantly absolute fuds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 24 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You usually hear the same types talking about 'woke nonsense' in the media. They're generally the types that thought Brexit was a great idea, Rwanda is a brilliant plan etc etc. They're predominantly absolute fuds. Thanks for including the get-out clause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 A few years ago the term "politically correct" was popular with losers and saddos, mainly beta male incel types who really needed to improve their lot in life (and everyone else's) by getting lives and maybe even occasionally having sex while another person was participating. Embarrassed by how easy it was to spot them by their use of this term, they replaced it with "woke", and now you can't say anything at all. Literally. Not. A. Single. Thing. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: A few years ago the term "politically correct" was popular with losers and saddos, mainly beta male incel types who really needed to improve their lot in life (and everyone else's) by getting lives and maybe even occasionally having sex while another person was participating. Embarrassed by how easy it was to spot them by their use of this term, they replaced it with "woke", and now you can't say anything at all. Literally. Not. A. Single. Thing. Just saying. This did make me lol. "Can't say anything nowadays". It's always a laugh how, without fail, the ones who shout the loudest about free speech never have anything interesting to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 9 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Excellent article Why ‘woke’ became toxic | LGBTQ | Al Jazeera Well done, managed to shoehorn another anti trans article into a thread. Your bosses at LGB Alliance will be so proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 My only problem with "woke" is when someone described as "woke" tries to make others conform to what they believe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Tasso Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 It started with a song popularized by Erykah Badu, written by a friend of hers whose name I can't bring to mind. The primary hook of the song is the repeated response line during the chorus of, "I'd stay woke." The thrust of the song is that of someone suffering from exhaustion and frustration with the state of the world, and that if she could, she'd "stay woke" to injustice and work against it. But that that's hard. To be clear, Badu herself is an extremely odd duck and subscribes to some rather disturbing outlooks on the world that I don't fully understand, but ultimately it was the hook (popularly misunderstood as "I stay woke"), and particularly in the mid-teens became part of Black vernacular American English, often in the phrase, "get woke!" In response to the 2016 election debacle when a lot of white folks like me were stunned by how virulently racist and reactionary so much of the country got so fast, it had a very brief moment in the sun as a word that people actually used seriously, mostly with a bit of tongue-in-cheek, about remembering to stay awake to stuff that may not be in your face. But really, its actual usage in that form was prevalent for like a year. Then the reactionary aresholes got a hold of it and started throwing a fit about "wokeness," a neologism entirely of the right wing's construction. In that form, it came to mean any kind of means of telling right wing assholes to stop being such assholes. As such, it joins an extremely long lineage of garbage terms thrown around to try to demonize the idea that you might not want to be an insufferably rude and uncaring jackass, such as "SJW," "virtue signalling," "PC," "hating America," all the way on back to "n***** lover" and beyond. Nobody, but nobody, is still going around saying, seriously, to "get woke." That was seriously like 6-8 months in 2017. Anyone talking about "wokeness" and why it's terrible is pretty much someone who's been told they were being a jackass and they don't like it, or concern trolls who make money by speaking to very powerful people telling them that they're the real oppressed ones. It's totally a scam at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vlad Magic Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 I had no idea about the term “woke” including its origins and meaning. Enlightening thread. Heard the term used many times without having a clue so thanks for the education. We live in a strange world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck berrys hairline Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 "Go woke or go broke" Hundred of examples of businesses going down this route. But once you open the hatch theres always someoene more woke than you who ends up calling your business practices out and gets you shut down. They are an insecure rabid bunch of losers. The blue hair and rainbow flags help weed them out for us normal thinkers. Hypocrisy sitting there on their smart phones and laptops built on slave child labour, utter ✊💦💦💦💧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 25 minutes ago, chuck berrys hairline said: "Go woke or go broke" Hundred of examples of businesses going down this route. But once you open the hatch theres always someoene more woke than you who ends up calling your business practices out and gets you shut down. They are an insecure rabid bunch of losers. The blue hair and rainbow flags help weed them out for us normal thinkers. Hypocrisy sitting there on their smart phones and laptops built on slave child labour, utter ✊💦💦💦💧 Yes eventually end up eating each other, metaphorically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Tasso Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 11 hours ago, chuck berrys hairline said: "Go woke or go broke" Hundred of examples of businesses going down this route. But once you open the hatch theres always someoene more woke than you who ends up calling your business practices out and gets you shut down. They are an insecure rabid bunch of losers. The blue hair and rainbow flags help weed them out for us normal thinkers. Hypocrisy sitting there on their smart phones and laptops built on slave child labour, utter ✊💦💦💦💧 Funny, I'd always heard it as "go woke and go broke." Which never seems to be the case either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 21 hours ago, Ulysses said: A few years ago the term "politically correct" was popular with losers and saddos, mainly beta male incel types who really needed to improve their lot in life (and everyone else's) by getting lives and maybe even occasionally having sex while another person was participating. Embarrassed by how easy it was to spot them by their use of this term, they replaced it with "woke", and now you can't say anything at all. Literally. Not. A. Single. Thing. Just saying. Exactly. Woke is just the rebranding of Political Correctness Gone Mad. It's usually used in conjunction with fulmination about Lefty Lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 14 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Well that’s me convinced. A tweet from a despicable little fud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 36 minutes ago, Tazio said: Well that’s me convinced. A tweet from a despicable little fud. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 50 minutes ago, Costanza said: Political Correctness Gone Mad. Or Suggs campaigning for minority rights - Madness Gone Politically Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos_1874 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 In terms of how this new era of wokeness affects me, it is almost exclusively at work. I am ultra careful with what I say, particularly around those of the younger generation I.e. early 20s. Some of the most innocuous (IMO) things that others have said at work have been called out and raised as an issue when I know for a fact that they said it completely innocently and probably without even considering that it might offend someone. It is right that we are more aware of these issues and of course it's important that we don't offend people, but it can't go so far that you have to watch everything you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 6 hours ago, Ulysses said: Or Suggs campaigning for minority rights - Madness Gone Politically Correct. Ha ha Reminds me of the joke. "What's the first sign of Madness. Suggs walking up your driveway " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On another thread a poster says we need a new progressive song as a national anthem(Scotland) There's seems a need by some on the left to continually use the word progressive as if to show how inclusive they are .. I feel its a wee bit ott and maybe woke ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Here's the main protagonists of the wokey cokey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 "These people are too sensitive! You can't say anything these days" "Anyone who says anything nasty about the UK is a terrorist" Who's the more easily offended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Woke is why the $90million Batwoman movie (filmed in the weej btw) will never see the light of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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