bobby bombscare Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 22 hours ago, Ulysses said: What would you have instead? A dictatorship made up of people who are bad and evil enough to remove democracy and crush dissent, while at the exact same time good and decent enough to care about the British people and not just themselves, their families and their mates? How would that work? You could have a dictatorship that is "bad and evil enough to remove democracy and crush dissent" or you could have a democracy that decries dictator led state whole ignoring the needs of the people and prosecuting their own people who's opinions differ from that of their own... democracies are just dictatorships in different clothes. The only difference is it gives you the illusion that you have a choice by letting you tick a box every 4 years to pick which party is going to do run the country with total disregard for the people. The tories were having parties while people were topping themselves due to the extreme isolation during lockdowns Layout were reping expenses for second and third homes and 5 star Holidays The SNP were buying RV's for their holidays and going spending hundreds of thousands of pounds for trips to climate conferences to stay in the best accommodation (and refusing to give the high court evidence..) The lib dems jumped into bed with a tory organisation that cut DSA to hundreds who needed it The greens are more interested in saving trees than the fact that kinds in Scotland are going home dirty, hungry and illiterate. Find me a non corrupt party and they've got my vote but honestly.. we love to look at dictatorships like we are so much better than them but given that we have people getting arrested for things said on Facebook? Or for asking certain questions about government activities? How are we so greatly different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 On 04/11/2023 at 14:01, i wish jj was my dad said: I don't think that is quite true. No argument with the current lot in power. They are the most dangerous, right wing extremists since the common man got the vote. Brown was an oddball, completely lacking in empathy but I'd hardly class him as a zealot and I've still no idea what 2023 Labour stand for because they're too terrified to tell us. Brown took the line "British jobs for British workers" which I believe the NF used in the 70s. Even the Tories thought he'd gone too far. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/30/british-jobs-british-workers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Brown took the line "British jobs for British workers" which I believe the NF used in the 70s. Even the Tories thought he'd gone too far. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/30/british-jobs-british-workers Ffs are you trying to pigeonhole Gordon Brownshirt. I give up. Some pish gets spraffed politically but your taking the biscuit with this line . Honest tae fek man. 😆😇😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 9 hours ago, Ked said: Ffs are you trying to pigeonhole Gordon Brownshirt. I give up. Some pish gets spraffed politically but your taking the biscuit with this line . Honest tae fek man. 😆😇😊 Couldn't have said it better. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 More resignations from Labour at local level. And, cabinet level? No way, they'll have the spine to seriously challenge Starmer on this. Quote A number of Labour MPs - including shadow ministers - have called for a ceasefire, but Sir Keir has rejected these calls. Concerns about Sir Keir's position are understood to go up to shadow cabinet level. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67329589 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Gundermann said: More resignations from Labour at local level. And, cabinet level? No way, they'll have the spine to seriously challenge Starmer on this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67329589 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 06/11/2023 at 10:37, Gundermann said: More resignations from Labour at local level. And, cabinet level? No way, they'll have the spine to seriously challenge Starmer on this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67329589 These are local councillors who are supposed to be representing people who live in their local area. How interesting that their main focus appears to be thousands of miles away. They should be banned from ever holding any position in local government again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: These are local councillors who are supposed to be representing people who live in their local area. How interesting that their main focus appears to be thousands of miles away. They should be banned from ever holding any position in local government again. This. Labour have been forced into their official line. There's no point trying to adopt a distinctly separate position because there's no international appetite for that, yet. Labour's position allows it to evolve into a ceasefire, when the important players want that to be the position urged on Israel. Unlike the Tories, Labour are tolerating individuals' personal opinions. If Labour councillors or MPs insist on demanding the official line is changed then it's simply up to them to resign. They have other representative responsibilities to fulfill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Victorian said: This. Labour have been forced into their official line. There's no point trying to adopt a distinctly separate position because there's no international appetite for that, yet. Labour's position allows it to evolve into a ceasefire, when the important players want that to be the position urged on Israel. Unlike the Tories, Labour are tolerating individuals' personal opinions. If Labour councillors or MPs insist on demanding the official line is changed then it's simply up to them to resign. They have other representative responsibilities to fulfill. Hardly. Labour at odds with UK public opinion, apparently but most importantly, with international law which forbids the war crimes Israel is committing on the people of Gaza. Then again, Labour has a wee penchant for illegal wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 hours ago, Gundermann said: Hardly. Labour at odds with UK public opinion, apparently but most importantly, with international law which forbids the war crimes Israel is committing on the people of Gaza. Then again, Labour has a wee penchant for illegal wars. UK public opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I noticed they hid Liability Angie from the front bench again yesterday for the response to the Kings Speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: UK public opinion Indeed. https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/israel-hamas-ceasefire-needed-to-end-this-nightmare Nucky Thompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Indeed. https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/israel-hamas-ceasefire-needed-to-end-this-nightmare Nucky Thompson A poll of 2000 lefties where 58% prefer a ceasefire doesn’t constitute UK public opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: I noticed they hid Liability Angie from the front bench again yesterday for the response to the Kings Speech she was busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 39 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: A poll of 2000 lefties where 58% prefer a ceasefire doesn’t constitute UK public opinion YouGov is run by ex-Tories ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 45 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: A poll of 2000 lefties where 58% prefer a ceasefire doesn’t constitute UK public opinion Gundermann is one of those sanctimonious Corbynite bores that hates the world because he hates himself, Nucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Japan Jambo said: she was busy 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 08/11/2023 at 20:42, Gundermann said: YouGov is run by ex-Tories ffs. How exactly would a cease fire work with a terrorist organisation that have no interest in one? Are we suggesting Israel stop all military action whilst Hamas regroup to plan their next attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, TallPaul said: How exactly would a cease fire work with a terrorist organisation that have no interest in one? Are we suggesting Israel stop all military action whilst Hamas regroup to plan their next attack. It's not a ceasefire they want, it's Israel to lay down arms while Hamas carry on as normal. Hamas planned this for years by pretending to be interested in peace and lulling Israel into complacency. Then they attacked. That will not happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: It's not a ceasefire they want, it's Israel to lay down arms while Hamas carry on as normal. Hamas planned this for years by pretending to be interested in peace and lulling Israel into complacency. Then they attacked. That will not happen again. No it's a ceasefire that peoiple want. It's what they've asked for and it's what they've protested for. Starmer and the Labour party are being tin-eared by ignoring the groundswell from their members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: No it's a ceasefire that peoiple want. It's what they've asked for and it's what they've protested for. Starmer and the Labour party are being tin-eared by ignoring the groundswell from their members. A ceasefire isn't possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 hours ago, TallPaul said: How exactly would a cease fire work with a terrorist organisation that have no interest in one? Are we suggesting Israel stop all military action whilst Hamas regroup to plan their next attack. Same could be said for the Peace Process in the north of Ireland. Things are not perfect there but I'd wager that hundreds of lives, if not more, have been saved by the PP. Otherwise, we could have carpet bombed much of Belfast and Derry in an attempt to ensure the IRA or UDA didn't continue murdering? Maybe find another solution - like one suggested by the UN and others inc UK and USA? Meanwhile, Israeli settlers on illegaly occupied land continue to kill Palestinians with impunity and often with the collusion of IDF soldiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: No it's a ceasefire that peoiple want. It's what they've asked for and it's what they've protested for. Starmer and the Labour party are being tin-eared by ignoring the groundswell from their members. Only Starmer and the Tories want to continue this sensless slaughter. Many prominent Jewish Labour politicians back a ceasefire as do most of the public and international community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Same could be said for the Peace Process in the north of Ireland. Things are not perfect there but I'd wager that hundreds of lives, if not more, have been saved by the PP. Otherwise, we could have carpet bombed much of Belfast and Derry in an attempt to ensure the IRA or UDA didn't continue murdering? Maybe find another solution - like one suggested by the UN and others inc UK and USA? Meanwhile, Israeli settlers on illegaly occupied land continue to kill Palestinians with impunity and often with the collusion of IDF soldiers. Indeed. Many of the settlers are reservists in the IDF. Edited November 10, 2023 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Only Starmer and the Tories want to continue this sensless slaughter. Many prominent Jewish Labour politicians back a ceasefire as do most of the public and international community. Starmer is being politically expedient. He couldn't give a shiny shite about Labour politicians, members, public opinion or the international community. It's all about getting into number 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Even Ukraine has been lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Even Ukraine has been lost Arthur Dailey would be more trustworthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Indeed. Many of the settlers are reservists in the IDF. Top effort in making that one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Starmer is being politically expedient. He couldn't give a shiny shite about Labour politicians, members, public opinion or the international community. It's all about getting into number 10. Just like Hamas couldn't give a **** about Palestinian lives and Palestinians couldn't give a **** about Israeli lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 51 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Just like Hamas couldn't give a **** about Palestinian lives and Palestinians couldn't give a **** about Israeli lives. And Israel couldn't give a **** about either. Hence the reason they're bombing them indiscriminately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 18:13, The Mighty Thor said: And Israel couldn't give a **** about either. Hence the reason they're bombing them indiscriminately. There's a separate topic for your silly one-sided views on Palestine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, TallPaul said: There's a separate topic for your silly one-sided views on Palestine Relevant to the topic son. That's how this works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 I'm calling bullshit on this. No danger Keith is opening himself up to that kind of scrutiny 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: I'm calling bullshit on this. No danger Keith is opening himself up to that kind of scrutiny 😂 Seems correct, BBC reporting about this as well. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67417726 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said: Seems correct, BBC reporting about this as well. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67417726 Tories implodoing. Keith - Hold my beer 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Tories implodoing. Keith - Hold my beer 😂 Has it ever happened that both of the main parties have been at civil war at the same, I can't recall it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Has it ever happened that both of the main parties have been at civil war at the same, I can't recall it before. Not that I can recall. They've both been utterly shit at various times but not like this. Starmer trying to put a lid on his MPs and front bench not for humanitarian but electoral reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 You can't really criticise people for standing up and holding to their principles. But they're going to end up sabotaging the prospects of the country getting a break from the worst government in UK history, which helps nobody at all. A real shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 😂😂😂 you really couldn’t make it up Labour really are hibsd it It’ll be explosive tomorrow in the house , old grudges will be exposed and Keff will learn that trying to silence dissent has its consequences Edited November 14, 2023 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: Not that I can recall. They've both been utterly shit at various times but not like this. Starmer trying to put a lid on his MPs and front bench not for humanitarian but electoral reasons. Same here, I can't recall either of the main parties being so bad and intent on self-destruction. Just when you think the Tories have really fecked it up, along comes Labour to out do them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Keith absolutely shitting the bed. I hope the Labour MPs show a bit more backbone than he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Its almost as if Keir Starmer knows that most of the electorate down south are rabid right-wing mutants and that any attempt to appear human and normal will be a clear vote loser. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, the posh bit said: Its almost as if Keir Starmer knows that most of the electorate down south are rabid right-wing mutants and that any attempt to appear human and normal will be a clear vote loser. 🤔 He can’t upset the Land of Hope and Glory pish voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Insignificant Labour rebellion in terms of the front bench. The backbench rebellion will be tolerated. All of them backed the Labour amendment, therefore all of those are signed up to Labour's policy. Time to concentrate on the domestic front where they have a duty to the country to assume government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Victorian said: Insignificant Labour rebellion in terms of the front bench Really? 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, the posh bit said: Really? 😊 Yes. 4 or 5 front team MPs. Insignificant. Jess Phillips has gone. Stood up for her principles or for her constituency view. Fair enough. Didn't want to govern enough to choose compromise. A shame for any Labour voters who viewed her as a governmental asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: Yes. 4 or 5 front team MPs. Insignificant. Jess Phillips has gone. Stood up for her principles or for her constituency view. Fair enough. Didn't want to govern enough to choose compromise. A shame for any Labour voters who viewed her as a governmental asset. Which compromise could she have chosen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, the posh bit said: Which compromise could she have chosen? Labour's amendment. She voted for it as they all did. Voting for both amendments is bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 56 Labour MPs out of 198 is not insignificant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: 56 Labour MPs out of 198 is not insignificant Backbenchers mainly. I said front bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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