Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[Nucky Thompson]

16 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

Hardly.

 

Labour at odds with UK public opinion, apparently but most importantly, with international law which forbids the war crimes Israel is committing on the people of Gaza.

 

Then again, Labour has a wee penchant for illegal wars.

UK public opinion 

[manaliveits105]

I noticed they hid Liability Angie from the front bench again yesterday for the response to the Kings Speech 

 

[Gundermann]

7 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

UK public opinion 

 

Indeed.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/israel-hamas-ceasefire-needed-to-end-this-nightmare

 

Nucky Thompson

[Nucky Thompson]

20 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Indeed.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/israel-hamas-ceasefire-needed-to-end-this-nightmare

 

Nucky Thompson

A poll of 2000 lefties where 58% prefer a ceasefire doesn’t constitute UK public opinion 

[Japan Jambo]

3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

I noticed they hid Liability Angie from the front bench again yesterday for the response to the Kings Speech 

 

 

she was busy

 

 

[Gundermann]

39 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A poll of 2000 lefties where 58% prefer a ceasefire doesn’t constitute UK public opinion 

 

YouGov is run by ex-Tories ffs.

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

45 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

A poll of 2000 lefties where 58% prefer a ceasefire doesn’t constitute UK public opinion 

 

Gundermann is one of those sanctimonious Corbynite bores that hates the world because he hates himself, Nucky.

[manaliveits105]

9 hours ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

she was busy

 

 

🤣

[TallPaul]

On 08/11/2023 at 20:42, Gundermann said:

 

YouGov is run by ex-Tories ffs.

 

How exactly would a cease fire work with a terrorist organisation that have no interest in one? Are we suggesting Israel stop all military action whilst Hamas regroup to plan their next attack.

[Malinga the Swinga]

12 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

How exactly would a cease fire work with a terrorist organisation that have no interest in one? Are we suggesting Israel stop all military action whilst Hamas regroup to plan their next attack.

It's not a ceasefire they want, it's Israel to lay down arms while Hamas carry on as normal. 

Hamas planned this for years by pretending to be interested in peace and lulling Israel into complacency. Then they attacked. That will not happen again.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

20 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

It's not a ceasefire they want, it's Israel to lay down arms while Hamas carry on as normal. 

Hamas planned this for years by pretending to be interested in peace and lulling Israel into complacency. Then they attacked. That will not happen again.

 

No it's a ceasefire that peoiple want. It's what they've asked for and it's what they've protested for. Starmer and the Labour party are being tin-eared by ignoring the groundswell from their members. 

[TallPaul]

26 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

No it's a ceasefire that peoiple want. It's what they've asked for and it's what they've protested for. Starmer and the Labour party are being tin-eared by ignoring the groundswell from their members. 

A ceasefire isn't possible.

[Gundermann]

3 hours ago, TallPaul said:

How exactly would a cease fire work with a terrorist organisation that have no interest in one? Are we suggesting Israel stop all military action whilst Hamas regroup to plan their next attack.

 

Same could be said for the Peace Process in the north of Ireland. Things are not perfect there but I'd wager that hundreds of lives, if not more, have been saved by the PP. Otherwise, we could have carpet bombed much of Belfast and Derry in an attempt to ensure the IRA or UDA didn't continue murdering?

 

Maybe find another solution - like one suggested by the UN and others inc UK and USA?

 

Meanwhile, Israeli settlers on illegaly occupied land continue to kill Palestinians with impunity and often with the collusion of IDF soldiers.

[Gundermann]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

No it's a ceasefire that peoiple want. It's what they've asked for and it's what they've protested for. Starmer and the Labour party are being tin-eared by ignoring the groundswell from their members. 

 

Only Starmer and the Tories want to continue this sensless slaughter. Many prominent Jewish Labour politicians back a ceasefire as do most of the public and international community.

[The Mighty Thor]

36 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Same could be said for the Peace Process in the north of Ireland. Things are not perfect there but I'd wager that hundreds of lives, if not more, have been saved by the PP. Otherwise, we could have carpet bombed much of Belfast and Derry in an attempt to ensure the IRA or UDA didn't continue murdering?

 

Maybe find another solution - like one suggested by the UN and others inc UK and USA?

 

Meanwhile, Israeli settlers on illegaly occupied land continue to kill Palestinians with impunity and often with the collusion of IDF soldiers.

Indeed. Many of the settlers are reservists in the IDF.

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by The Mighty Thor

[The Mighty Thor]

35 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Only Starmer and the Tories want to continue this sensless slaughter. Many prominent Jewish Labour politicians back a ceasefire as do most of the public and international community.

 

Starmer is being politically expedient. 

 

He couldn't give a shiny shite about Labour politicians, members, public opinion or the international community. It's all about getting into number 10.

[Mikey1874]

Even Ukraine has been lost

 

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Even Ukraine has been lost

 

 

Arthur Dailey would be more trustworthy

[Malinga the Swinga]

5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Indeed. Many of the settlers are reservists in the IDF.

 

Top effort in making that one up. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

Starmer is being politically expedient. 

 

He couldn't give a shiny shite about Labour politicians, members, public opinion or the international community. It's all about getting into number 10.

Just like Hamas couldn't give a **** about Palestinian lives and Palestinians couldn't give a **** about Israeli lives.

[The Mighty Thor]

51 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Just like Hamas couldn't give a **** about Palestinian lives and Palestinians couldn't give a **** about Israeli lives.

And Israel couldn't give a **** about either. 

Hence the reason they're bombing them indiscriminately. 

[TallPaul]

On 10/11/2023 at 18:13, The Mighty Thor said:

And Israel couldn't give a **** about either. 

Hence the reason they're bombing them indiscriminately. 

There's a separate topic for your silly one-sided views on Palestine 

[The Mighty Thor]

7 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

There's a separate topic for your silly one-sided views on Palestine 

Relevant to the topic son. 

 

That's how this works. 

[The Mighty Thor]

I'm calling bullshit on this.

 

No danger Keith is opening himself up to that kind of scrutiny 😂

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm calling bullshit on this.

 

No danger Keith is opening himself up to that kind of scrutiny 😂

 

 

 

Seems correct, BBC reporting about this as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67417726

 

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Seems correct, BBC reporting about this as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67417726

 

Tories implodoing. Keith - Hold my beer 😂

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Tories implodoing. Keith - Hold my beer 😂

 

Has it ever happened that both of the main parties have been at civil war at the same, I can't recall it before.

[The Mighty Thor]

23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Has it ever happened that both of the main parties have been at civil war at the same, I can't recall it before.

Not that I can recall. 

 

They've both been utterly shit at various times but not like this.

 

Starmer trying to put a lid on his MPs and front bench not for humanitarian but electoral reasons.

 

 

[Victorian]

You can't really criticise people for standing up and holding to their principles.  But they're going to end up sabotaging the prospects of the country getting a break from the worst government in UK history,  which helps nobody at all.  A real shame.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

😂😂😂 you really couldn’t make it up 

 

Labour really are hibsd it 

 

It’ll be explosive tomorrow in the house , old grudges will be exposed and Keff will learn that trying to silence dissent has its consequences 

Edited November 14, 2023 by JudyJudyJudy

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Not that I can recall. 

 

They've both been utterly shit at various times but not like this.

 

Starmer trying to put a lid on his MPs and front bench not for humanitarian but electoral reasons.

 

 

 

Same here, I can't recall either of the main parties being so bad and intent on self-destruction.

 

Just when you think the Tories have really fecked it up, along comes Labour to out do them.

[The Mighty Thor]

Keith absolutely shitting the bed.

 

I hope the Labour MPs show a bit more backbone than he does. 

[the posh bit]

Its almost as if Keir Starmer knows that most of the electorate down south are rabid right-wing mutants and that any attempt to appear human and normal will be a clear vote loser. 🤔

[The Real Maroonblood]

19 minutes ago, the posh bit said:

Its almost as if Keir Starmer knows that most of the electorate down south are rabid right-wing mutants and that any attempt to appear human and normal will be a clear vote loser. 🤔

He can’t upset the Land of Hope and Glory pish voters.

[Victorian]

Insignificant Labour rebellion in terms of the front bench.  The backbench rebellion will be tolerated.  All of them backed the Labour amendment,  therefore all of those are signed up to Labour's policy.  Time to concentrate on the domestic front where they have a duty to the country to assume government.  

[the posh bit]

14 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Insignificant Labour rebellion in terms of the front bench

 

Really? 😊 

 

[Victorian]

Just now, the posh bit said:

 

Really? 😊 

 

 

Yes.  4 or 5 front team MPs.  Insignificant.

 

Jess Phillips has gone.  Stood up for her principles or for her constituency view.  Fair enough.  Didn't want to govern enough to choose compromise.  A shame for any Labour voters who viewed her as a governmental asset.

 

 

[the posh bit]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Yes.  4 or 5 front team MPs.  Insignificant.

 

Jess Phillips has gone.  Stood up for her principles or for her constituency view.  Fair enough.  Didn't want to govern enough to choose compromise.  A shame for any Labour voters who viewed her as a governmental asset.

 

 

 

Which compromise could she have chosen? 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, the posh bit said:

 

Which compromise could she have chosen? 

 

Labour's amendment.  She voted for it as they all did.  Voting for both amendments is bizarre.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

56 Labour MPs out of 198 is not insignificant 

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

56 Labour MPs out of 198 is not insignificant 

 

Backbenchers mainly.  I said front bench.  

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, Victorian said:

 

Backbenchers mainly.  I said front bench.  

I'm not arguing but almost 30% of his MPs ignored his tin pot hard man routine and voted with their conscience.

 

This will hurt him. Big time 

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Yes.  4 or 5 front team MPs.  Insignificant.

 

Jess Phillips has gone.  Stood up for her principles or for her constituency view.  Fair enough.  Didn't want to govern enough to choose compromise.  A shame for any Labour voters who viewed her as a governmental asset.

 

 

Well suppose that’s a positive . Another one who can’t seem to answer the simple question. What is a woman ? 

[Victorian]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm not arguing but almost 30% of his MPs ignored his tin pot hard man routine and voted with their conscience.

 

This will hurt him. Big time 

 

It really wont.  They all backed the Labour amendment as well so they are on record as adopting the official party line.  They will be allowed this one rebellion and time to get on with other things.  Gaza is not the sole reason for their existence.

[the posh bit]

8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Labour's amendment.  She voted for it as they all did.  Voting for both amendments is bizarre.

 

 

 

Some might look back on tonight and suggest that a Labour leader threatening to sack people for voting for the ceasefire of an ongoing civilian slaughter was bizarre too. 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, the posh bit said:

 

Some might look back on tonight and suggest that a Labour leader threatening to sack people for voting for the ceasefire of an ongoing civilian slaughter was bizarre too. 

 

All front benchers must abide by collective responsibility or you have no coherent executive or executive-in-waiting.  International diplomacy requires realism,  compromise and pragmatism.  Starmer obviously knows that.

[Ked]

It's hard to know the strength of feeling amongst the constituents of the mps regarding Gaza.

But the election is a bit away.

Starmer is actually managing this not bad.

I'm not a fan but credit where its due.

 

[the posh bit]

Just now, Victorian said:

 

All front benchers must abide by collective responsibility or you have no coherent executive or executive-in-waiting.  International diplomacy requires realism,  compromise and pragmatism.  Starmer obviously knows that.

 

I guess the coming few weeks will be interesting. 

[Ked]

7 minutes ago, the posh bit said:

 

Some might look back on tonight and suggest that a Labour leader threatening to sack people for voting for the ceasefire of an ongoing civilian slaughter was bizarre too. 

He cannot as a wannabee leader deny Israels right to defend itself.

Especiallya wannabee of this country that did much worse to Iraq.

Your not wrong but it didn't do Blair much harm.

It's rinse and repeat

Edited November 15, 2023 by Ked
Missed a few words

[Gundermann]

22 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

56 Labour MPs out of 198 is not insignificant 

 

I'd say it is. Labour MPs are not known for their backbone or sticking to principles, more than a quarter of them voting against Kid Starver is a tad surprising to me.

 

Starmers's attempted 'compromise' of giving aid before bombing the kids to hell is typical forked-tongue of his ilk.