Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[jack D and coke]

27 minutes ago, OTT said:

Guess the answer remains no. 

 

Although they'll keep talking about change, whilst giving voters absolutely zero insight into what that change is. 

 

Political equivalent of "trust me bro" 

 

Hopefully the voters remember shitehouses like Douglas Alexander that blindly voted for the iraq war. Sending soldiers to die in the desert, destablising the middle east and seeing ISIS rise as a consequence to trying to play ****ing team america world police based on a lie. 

I’ll vote Tory to keep that ***** out if I have to. 
Little *****. 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 hours ago, OTT said:

Guess the answer remains no. 

 

Although they'll keep talking about change, whilst giving voters absolutely zero insight into what that change is. 

 

Political equivalent of "trust me bro" 

 

Hopefully the voters remember shitehouses like Douglas Alexander that blindly voted for the iraq war. Sending soldiers to die in the desert, destablising the middle east and seeing ISIS rise as a consequence to trying to play ****ing team america world police based on a lie. 

 

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ll vote Tory to keep that ***** out if I have to. 
Little *****. 

Hopefully my fellow residents of East Lothian have the common sense to tell that snivelling little rat to get tae. 

[Roxy Hearts]

4 hours ago, TallPaul said:

Check the photo page with your details think you find it does 

 

 

Where does it say "British Nationalist"? I may have a British passport but I'm not a Britnat and don't like being associated with their ilk.

[Ulysses]

5 hours ago, TallPaul said:

Check the photo page with your details think you find it does 

 

 

 

She looks a bit young for 50.  Is that a fake?   

[TallPaul]

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Where does it say "British Nationalist"? I may have a British passport but I'm not a Britnat and don't like being associated with their ilk.

You claimed your not a British citizen. You raging you signed a document that confirms your Britishness?

[TallPaul]

25 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

She looks a bit young for 50.  Is that a fake?   

It's me 👍

[Roxy Hearts]

29 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

You claimed your not a British citizen. You raging you signed a document that confirms your Britishness?

I never said that! I said I wasn't a "British Nationalist" and I'm not raging. It's a piece of paper stating I have a British passport, so what?  

 

I've rarely heard anyone say they're British, it's Scotland. The only people I've heard are a Rangers fan and an ultra right wing Tory.

[Ulysses]

34 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

It's me 👍

 

[Ulysses]

36 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

You claimed your not a British citizen. 

 

In the interests of accuracy - and pedantry, which is always to be encouraged and admired - RH didn't say that.  RH isn't a British Nationalist, and RH's birth cert doesn't say "British".  I think we can agree on the first point of that, 'cos it's really obvious from what RH posts.  I've no idea what RH's birth cert says, and I'm not asking.  Does your birth cert say you're British?  Mine doesn't say what nationality I am at all.

 

I have a few English pals and relatives.  None of them ever describe themselves as British.  Not even the one or two who would qualify as British Nationalists.  They all say they're English.

[TallPaul]

37 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I never said that! I said I wasn't a "British Nationalist" and I'm not raging. It's a piece of paper stating I have a British passport, so what?  

 

I've rarely heard anyone say they're British, it's Scotland. The only people I've heard are a Rangers fan and an ultra right wing Tory.

You need help. Absolutely fizzing

[TallPaul]

32 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

In the interests of accuracy - and pedantry, which is always to be encouraged and admired - RH didn't say that.  RH isn't a British Nationalist, and RH's birth cert doesn't say "British".  I think we can agree on the first point of that, 'cos it's really obvious from what RH posts.  I've no idea what RH's birth cert says, and I'm not asking.  Does your birth cert say you're British?  Mine doesn't say what nationality I am at all.

 

I have a few English pals and relatives.  None of them ever describe themselves as British.  Not even the one or two who would qualify as British Nationalists.  They all say they're English.

Cool story

[Ulysses]

26 minutes ago, TallPaul said:

Cool story

 

Thanks.  I know you can't just say you got it wrong, it being a message board and all that, but your proxy admission is appreciated.   

 

By the way, before you start complaining, I don't really give a shite about this British v Scottish thing**.  I was just observing what RH did say, as opposed to what you thought he said.  Next time it might be the other way round.

 

 

 

** Other than the fact that people have to go on about this stuff all over every thread about every subject - but hey ho.

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, TallPaul said:

You need help. Absolutely fizzing

I'm only fizzing with Menabrea bud. Just polished off a bottle of Primotivo and a steak meal made by my wife. I'm very chilled. Have a great weekend and make sure you get that bunting out on every occasion.

[Roxy Hearts]

2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

In the interests of accuracy - and pedantry, which is always to be encouraged and admired - RH didn't say that.  RH isn't a British Nationalist, and RH's birth cert doesn't say "British".  I think we can agree on the first point of that, 'cos it's really obvious from what RH posts.  I've no idea what RH's birth cert says, and I'm not asking.  Does your birth cert say you're British?  Mine doesn't say what nationality I am at all.

 

I have a few English pals and relatives.  None of them ever describe themselves as British.  Not even the one or two who would qualify as British Nationalists.  They all say they're English.

I like your posts Uly. Always reasonable. Have a great weekend bud 🍻

[Boab]

Anthony Blunt was as British as they come. That worked out well !

 

[Ulysses]

1 minute ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I like your posts Uly. Always reasonable. Have a great weekend bud 🍻

 

You're very kind.  Enjoy the weekend.  

 

I have one particular relative - a London voter who swings a bit between Labour and the Lib Dems (and thus relevant to this thread) - who is English born and bred.  He just wouldn't use the word British to describe himself.  He's also what I'd call a "soft" British Nationalist.  He's very into the idea of the UK and it being a union of distinctive nations, and he genuinely wouldn't like to see it broken up.  But if one of the nations were to say "we want to leave", he'd say "on you go, and no hard feelings".  I'm not trying to say he's in any way typical, but at the same time I'd imagine that quite a hefty percentage of English people are like that.  Despite all the Nigel Farage / Victor Meldrew / Fog in Channel guff you see in the media and the like, a lot of English people are at heart very sensible and pragmatic.

[XB52]

9 hours ago, TallPaul said:

Check the photo page with your details think you find it does 

 

 

You need to check the photo. It says a citizen of the United Kingdom. Also, in every form I have had to put nationality it is always UK. Never had an option to put British.

Not that this has anything to do with being a raving britnat

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

You're very kind.  Enjoy the weekend.  

 

I have one particular relative - a London voter who swings a bit between Labour and the Lib Dems (and thus relevant to this thread) - who is English born and bred.  He just wouldn't use the word British to describe himself.  He's also what I'd call a "soft" British Nationalist.  He's very into the idea of the UK and it being a union of distinctive nations, and he genuinely wouldn't like to see it broken up.  But if one of the nations were to say "we want to leave", he'd say "on you go, and no hard feelings".  I'm not trying to say he's in any way typical, but at the same time I'd imagine that quite a hefty percentage of English people are like that.  Despite all the Nigel Farage / Victor Meldrew / Fog in Channel guff you see in the media and the like, a lot of English people are at heart very sensible and pragmatic.

I like the English people more than some Scots on here! I can't figure out why a Scottish person wishing to be governed by Truss, Sunak, Johnson, Starmer etc over self governance. They talk as if the SNP are Scotland, they're not! The people are and they should get to choose their governments. 

 

They keep going on about the SNP without acknowledging that Westminster parties are a lot worse and couldn't care less about Scotland.

 

Back on topic - Labour are shite and will make absolutely no difference as they're part of the rancid, rotten establishment that I'd like to see Scotland get away from. 

[pablo]

1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

You're very kind.  Enjoy the weekend.  

 

I have one particular relative - a London voter who swings a bit between Labour and the Lib Dems (and thus relevant to this thread) - who is English born and bred.  He just wouldn't use the word British to describe himself.  He's also what I'd call a "soft" British Nationalist.  He's very into the idea of the UK and it being a union of distinctive nations, and he genuinely wouldn't like to see it broken up.  But if one of the nations were to say "we want to leave", he'd say "on you go, and no hard feelings".  I'm not trying to say he's in any way typical, but at the same time I'd imagine that quite a hefty percentage of English people are like that.  Despite all the Nigel Farage / Victor Meldrew / Fog in Channel guff you see in the media and the like, a lot of English people are at heart very sensible and pragmatic.

 

I like your mate's thinking tbh. But what people need to remember is that it's not an opt in opt out situation. It's the United Kingdom and there's no way to break it up. But we're all British and if one of the nations were to say we fancy trying it alone, I doubt Britain would oppose. I'm talking overwhelming consistent majority here. What the minority Nationalist people forget is that most people just think, could be better, obviously. But let's just get along for the common good.  IMO obviously. 

[Roxy Hearts]

3 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

I like your mate's thinking tbh. But what people need to remember is that it's not an opt in opt out situation. It's the United Kingdom and there's no way to break it up. But we're all British and if one of the nations were to say we fancy trying it alone, I doubt Britain would oppose. I'm talking overwhelming consistent majority here. What the minority Nationalist people forget is that most people just think, could be better, obviously. But let's just get along for the common good.  IMO obviously. 

Which "minority Nationalist people" are you talking about? British, like yourself or is it big bad Scottish Nationalists? 

 

So Farage, Johnson, Sunak, Starmer are better for Scotland than Scottish people choosing their own governments? 

[TallPaul]

8 hours ago, XB52 said:

You need to check the photo. It says a citizen of the United Kingdom. Also, in every form I have had to put nationality it is always UK. Never had an option to put British.

Not that this has anything to do with being a raving britnat

I think you need to check your eyes

[Malinga the Swinga]

9 hours ago, XB52 said:

You need to check the photo. It says a citizen of the United Kingdom. Also, in every form I have had to put nationality it is always UK. Never had an option to put British.

Not that this has anything to do with being a raving britnat

The clue is the line that says British citizen. I'll give you some help. It is below name and above date of birth.

 

[pablo]

7 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Which "minority Nationalist people" are you talking about? British, like yourself or is it big bad Scottish Nationalists? 

 

So Farage, Johnson, Sunak, Starmer are better for Scotland than Scottish people choosing their own governments? 

 

There isn't such a thing as British Nationalists other than a tiny group of abhorrent right wing fascists on the periphery of UK politics. 

 

Your fellow Scots who think Scotland is best placed within the United Kingdom aren't British Nationalists. That's most Scots eligible to vote.

 

And all British citizens get a vote to select the UK government and all Scots get a vote to select the Scottish government.

 

I can't be bothered discussing this with you, because quite frankly, you're an idiot. 

[henrysmithsgloves]

13 hours ago, TallPaul said:

It's me 👍

[Gundermann]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

 

There isn't such a thing as British Nationalists other than a tiny group of abhorrent right wing fascists on the periphery of UK politics. 

 

Your fellow Scots who think Scotland is best placed within the United Kingdom aren't British Nationalists. That's most Scots eligible to vote.

 

And all British citizens get a vote to select the UK government and all Scots get a vote to select the Scottish government.

 

I can't be bothered discussing this with you, because quite frankly, you're an idiot. 

 

The current UK gov and the official oppostion easily fit into that category.

 

Hell, even Gordon Brown lifted a slogan from the 1970s NF and we've gone way past that now.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Gundermann

[XB52]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

 

There isn't such a thing as British Nationalists other than a tiny group of abhorrent right wing fascists on the periphery of UK politics. 

 

Your fellow Scots who think Scotland is best placed within the United Kingdom aren't British Nationalists. That's most Scots eligible to vote.

 

And all British citizens get a vote to select the UK government and all Scots get a vote to select the Scottish government.

 

I can't be bothered discussing this with you, because quite frankly, you're an idiot. 

So if you want Scotland to stand on its own you're a raving Scotnat but if you want the UK to stand as it is you're not a raving britnat?? Explain the difference.

No I'm not saying the vast majority of the UK are raving britnats, just the same as the vast majority of Scottish independence supporters aren't raving britnats.

 

[Roxy Hearts]

2 hours ago, pablo said:

 

There isn't such a thing as British Nationalists other than a tiny group of abhorrent right wing fascists on the periphery of UK politics. 

 

Your fellow Scots who think Scotland is best placed within the United Kingdom aren't British Nationalists. That's most Scots eligible to vote.

 

And all British citizens get a vote to select the UK government and all Scots get a vote to select the Scottish government.

 

I can't be bothered discussing this with you, because quite frankly, you're an idiot. 

I think we know who the "idiot" is bud! A keyboard warrior like yourself is just selecting which "Nationalists" he thinks fits into his POV. You're a mindnumbing, typical, Britain first, sad wee boy. I'm going to enjoy my day, so away and enjoy yours.

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 hours ago, TallPaul said:

You claimed your not a British citizen. You raging you signed a document that confirms your Britishness?

Imagine a British citizen arguing that he isnt a  British citizen.  Its new levels of idiocy . It really is.  Yes when I have been asked when abroad where I am from I usually say Scotland. But my nationality is British.  Get over it.  RH youll get your tartan Scottish passport when we get Indy...but not anytime soon. 

[pablo]

20 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I think we know who the "idiot" is bud! A keyboard warrior like yourself is just selecting which "Nationalists" he thinks fits into his POV. You're a mindnumbing, typical, Britain first, sad wee boy. I'm going to enjoy my day, so away and enjoy yours.

 

Are you actually the full shilling?

[Roxy Hearts]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

Imagine a British citizen arguing that he isnt a  British citizen.  Its new levels of idiocy . It really is.  Yes when I have been asked when abroad where I am from I usually say Scotland. But my nationality is British.  Get over it.  RH youll get your tartan Scottish passport when we get Indy...but not anytime soon. 

Where have i said I'm not "British citizen"? The levels of "idiocy" is amongst your like minded! Check Uly's posts further up. He's more intelligent than most on here but then again he isn't British!

[Roxy Hearts]

Just now, pablo said:

 

Are you actually the full shilling?

I am! You stated " I can't be bothered discussing this with you" but here you are. You call me an "idiot"! Don't discuss it bud, you'll feel better.

[JudyJudyJudy]

On 02/11/2023 at 21:54, Roxy Hearts said:

Fair enough Nucky. Don't call me British though! 🤣

 

22 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I'm not a British Nationalist! Doesn't say that on my passport either! I have a birth certificate and that doesn't say I'm British!

YOU are  a British National.   Get over it.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Are you actually the full shilling?

Think all the fancy booze he drinks is going to his head. Maybe hes a champagne socialist? 

[Roxy Hearts]

4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

 

YOU are  a British National.   Get over it.  

I am over it. I prefer to be called "Scottish"!

 

4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Think all the fancy booze he drinks is going to his head. Maybe hes a champagne socialist? 

You have to comment on everything. I'm not a "socialist". What's wrong with enjoying the fruits of my labour. You British State supporter types really are depressing and unfunny. Get a life Triple J.

[Ulysses]

[Roxy Hearts]

4 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

One of the posts mentions "socialist" does that count? 🤣

[Ulysses]

4 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

One of the posts mentions "socialist" does that count? 🤣

 

Socialist? Labour?  Good heavens, no!

[JudyJudyJudy]

44 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I am over it. I prefer to be called "Scottish"!

 

You have to comment on everything. I'm not a "socialist". What's wrong with enjoying the fruits of my labour. You British State supporter types really are depressing and unfunny. Get a life Triple J.

Your British . That’s it . 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I am over it. I prefer to be called "Scottish"!

 

You have to comment on everything. I'm not a "socialist". What's wrong with enjoying the fruits of my labour. You British State supporter types really are depressing and unfunny. Get a life Triple J.

At least your not a self loathing Scot.

They're weirdos.

[bobby bombscare]

"Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?"

 

No, there isn't but I can tell you what's equally as shit:

Tories

SNP

Lib Dems

Greens

UKIP

Scottish Socialists

Alba Party

Sinn Féin

DUP

Any other political party. 

 

Not one of them actually cares about out anyone in the UK other than themselves and SOMTIMES their immediate friends/family.

 

 

 

 

[Ulysses]

4 minutes ago, bobby bombscare said:

"Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?"

 

No, there isn't but I can tell you what's equally as shit:

Tories

SNP

Lib Dems

Greens

UKIP

Scottish Socialists

Alba Party

Sinn Féin

DUP

Any other political party. 

 

Not one of them actually cares about out anyone in the UK other than themselves and SOMTIMES their immediate friends/family.

 

 

 

 

 

What would you have instead?

 

A dictatorship made up of people who are bad and evil enough to remove democracy and crush dissent, while at the exact same time good and decent enough to care about the British people and not just themselves, their families and their mates?

 

How would that work?

[Boab]

37 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Socialist? Labour?  Good heavens, no!

You’d need to go into a police box with Jodie Whittaker and go back 50 years for that.

Personally, going into a police box with Jodie would do me !

☺️

[Ulysses]

17 minutes ago, Boab said:

You’d need to go into a police box with Jodie Whittaker and go back 50 years for that.

Personally, going into a police box with Jodie would do me !

☺️

 

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

Socialist? Labour?  Good heavens, no!

I know! Sarcasm allowed 😂

 

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Your British . That’s it . 

Scottish bud with a British passport. Didn't support Britain at the recent Rugby World Cup or against Spain at football! 

 

58 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

At least your not a self loathing Scot.

They're weirdos.

"Weirdos" is quite complimentary 🤣

[i wish jj was my dad]

4 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

The current UK gov and the official oppostion easily fit into that category.

 

Hell, even Gordon Brown lifted a slogan from the 1970s NF and we've gone way past that now.

I don't think that is quite true.

No argument with the current lot in power. They are the most dangerous, right wing extremists since the common man got the vote.

Brown was an oddball, completely lacking in empathy but I'd hardly class him as a zealot and I've still no idea what 2023 Labour stand for because they're too terrified to tell us. 

[bobby bombscare]

22 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

What would you have instead?

 

A dictatorship made up of people who are bad and evil enough to remove democracy and crush dissent, while at the exact same time good and decent enough to care about the British people and not just themselves, their families and their mates?

 

How would that work?

You could have a dictatorship that is "bad and evil enough to remove democracy and crush dissent" or you could have a democracy that decries dictator led state whole ignoring the needs of the people and prosecuting their own people who's opinions differ from that of their own... democracies are just dictatorships in different clothes. The only difference is it gives you the illusion that you have a choice by letting you tick a box every 4 years to pick which party is going to do run the country with total disregard for the people. 

[bobby bombscare]

22 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

What would you have instead?

 

A dictatorship made up of people who are bad and evil enough to remove democracy and crush dissent, while at the exact same time good and decent enough to care about the British people and not just themselves, their families and their mates?

 

How would that work?

You could have a dictatorship that is "bad and evil enough to remove democracy and crush dissent" or you could have a democracy that decries dictator led state whole ignoring the needs of the people and prosecuting their own people who's opinions differ from that of their own... democracies are just dictatorships in different clothes. The only difference is it gives you the illusion that you have a choice by letting you tick a box every 4 years to pick which party is going to do run the country with total disregard for the people. 

 

The tories were having parties while people were topping themselves due to the extreme isolation during lockdowns

 

Layout were reping expenses for second and third homes and 5 star Holidays

 

The SNP were buying RV's for their holidays and going spending hundreds of thousands of pounds for trips to climate conferences to stay in the best accommodation (and refusing to give the high court evidence..) 

 

The lib dems jumped into bed with a tory organisation that cut DSA to hundreds who needed it 

 

The greens are more interested in saving trees than the fact that kinds in Scotland are going home dirty, hungry and illiterate. 

 

Find me a non corrupt party and they've got my vote but honestly.. we love to look at dictatorships like we are so much better than them but given that we have people getting arrested for things said on Facebook? Or for asking certain questions about government activities? How are we so greatly different? 

[Gundermann]

On 04/11/2023 at 14:01, i wish jj was my dad said:

I don't think that is quite true.

No argument with the current lot in power. They are the most dangerous, right wing extremists since the common man got the vote.

Brown was an oddball, completely lacking in empathy but I'd hardly class him as a zealot and I've still no idea what 2023 Labour stand for because they're too terrified to tell us. 

 

Brown took the line "British jobs for British workers" which I believe the NF used in the 70s. 

 

Even the Tories thought he'd gone too far.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/30/british-jobs-british-workers

[Ked]

5 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Brown took the line "British jobs for British workers" which I believe the NF used in the 70s. 

 

Even the Tories thought he'd gone too far.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/30/british-jobs-british-workers

Ffs are you trying to pigeonhole Gordon Brownshirt.

 

I give up.

Some pish gets spraffed politically but your taking the biscuit with this line .

 

Honest tae fek man.

 

😆😇😊

 

[Gundermann]

9 hours ago, Ked said:

Ffs are you trying to pigeonhole Gordon Brownshirt.

 

I give up.

Some pish gets spraffed politically but your taking the biscuit with this line .

 

Honest tae fek man.

 

😆😇😊

 

 

Couldn't have said it better.  😆