Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[jack D and coke]

2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I don't want to trivialise drug use but the usual suspects use it to have a go without acknowledging the deeper aspects. It's heartbreaking seeing folk so desperate and not able to provide them with able support. 

Nobody is saying it’s not tragic it really is but the people who jump on it day in day out I assume they all donate money and do charity work for drugs charities cos they never stop banging on about it. It’s like the most important thing in their lives behind building ferries. 

[Roxy Hearts]

6 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Nobody is saying it’s not tragic it really is but the people who jump on it day in day out I assume they all donate money and do charity work for drugs charities cos they never stop banging on about it. It’s like the most important thing in their lives behind building ferries. 

Politics really do bring out the worst in people. Have a good night bud. I'm just about to have a Hendricks and Tonic but no cucumber! 

[Ulysses]

3 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Politics really do bring out the worst in people. Have a good night bud. I'm just about to have a Hendricks and Tonic but no cucumber! 

 

[jack D and coke]

5 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Politics really do bring out the worst in people. Have a good night bud. I'm just about to have a Hendricks and Tonic but no cucumber! 

No booze tonight but I’ll be making up for it tomorrow believe me😋moan the JT’s

Enjoy the G&T 🥃

Edited July 29, 2022 by jack D and coke

[Roxy Hearts]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Love Hendricks but the cucumber doesn't do it for me. I have a slice of lime. 

 

2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

No booze tonight but I’ll be making up

for it tomorrow believe me😋moan the JT’s

Enjoy the G&T 🥃

👍Mon HMFC!

[Ulysses]

2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Love Hendricks but the cucumber doesn't do it for me. I have a slice of lime. 

 

 

Indeed, that'd work.

 

[Roxy Hearts]

Just now, Ulysses said:

 

Indeed, that'd work.

 

👍

[Dawnrazor]

You need to try Masons Gin if you get a chance, it's beautiful, Fever Tree 3 x ice and a slice of Lemon.

[Ked]

38 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

So, the Labour Party.  Any thoughts?

Not it seems many which reinforces the title you gave the thread.

[Ulysses]

15 minutes ago, Ked said:

Not it seems many which reinforces the title you gave the thread.

 

Yep. 

 

For decades, the neoliberals told us that pay rises were the root of all evil, because they led to inflation.  So, workers put up with pay increases that were worth **** all, but somehow that sort of worked and we all kind of muddled through because inflation was generally pretty low.

 

But now, inflation is heading back to 1970s territory again, and it is pretty obvious from the profit figures being posted and the price increases all round that big business is quite happy to compensate itself for rising costs.  I'm not against that as such, although of course I'd prefer it wasn't happening.  But if costs are rising and business is compensating itself, then logically it follows that workers are entitled - and I mean entitled - to be compensated as well.  Otherwise, they are the only part of the production, distribution, consumption and business cycle which doesn't get compensated for increased costs - or, as we say here, they're the ones who get ridden senseless while everyone else laughs their holes off at them.

 

So, Keir and Co, what's the problem with saying that and letting your politicians be on board with that?

 

 

Edited July 29, 2022 by Ulysses

[Ainsley Harriott]

55 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

So, the Labour Party.  Any thoughts?

You asked if there was anything worse. I gave my example of something worse

[Ulysses]

Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

You asked if there was anything worse. I gave my example of something worse

 

So no then.  Any chance you could go away to one of the many threads about your local issues and letting this one actually be about the subject matter of the thread?  Asking for a friend (well, OK, asking for me actually).

[Ainsley Harriott]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

So no then.  Any chance you could go away to one of the many threads about your local issues and letting this one actually be about the subject matter of the thread?  Asking for a friend (well, OK, asking for me actually).

Haha listen you asksd what is worse than the labour party so I told you about a political party that is. **** you rattling on about local issues.

[Ulysses]

3 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Haha listen you asksd what is worse than the labour party so I told you about a political party that is. **** you rattling on about local issues.

 

I'm not talking about you answering the question.  I don't mean to rain on your parade, but you could have answered that in one word, and then taken your obsession with the SNP and Scottish independence to one of the many threads on those subjects to be found in the Shed.  But you didn't.  I appreciate that this probably means a hell of a lot to you (Jaysus knows but you bang on and on and on and on and on about it) but if you were less obsessed with that local stuff and more concerned about British politics you might have something useful to offer on the subject.

[Lone Striker]

47 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

I think people who do what used to be called white-collar jobs can be easily persuaded into believing that they are in some way privileged in comparison to others who might be earning similar money for work that is more physically demanding, dirty or dangerous.  Junior and low-end white-collar jobs have always had an element of that.  But that's a con, and it's one that's deliberately promoted by the dominant business and neoliberal culture. 

 

If you look at the other end of the pay spectrum, you see more highly-paid workers such as pilots, senior civil servants, heads of HR, IT and Finance, advertising and PR executives, school principals, clinical managers in healthcare, senior police and army officers, IT specialists, legal and accounting professionals, and so on.

 

Just to be clear, when I refer to workers I mean any and all of those, as well as the kinds of workers I mentioned above - and whether they are "vital" or not I think all of them are fully justified in seeking significant and meaningful pay increases.  Otherwise, in an economy of rising prices they lose out because they are enduring real pay cuts, and they are entitled to say that's crap and to look for better.

👍Fair comment, which I agree with - workers are workers.  I'm not sure the Labour Party has always   championed  better conditions & pay for all   these types of worker though - for example most offices  tended to be a lot safer workplaces than factories in the past, before H&S became recognised as an essential thing worth employing experts to advise & administer. Labour & trade unions played a huge part in pressuring employers to drastically improve the H&S  and general working conditions of their employees. 

 

I would suggest that any political party NOT in government acts  very differently to how they would act if they were in power and therefore responsible for all aspects of the economy.      

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

I'm not talking about you answering the question.  I don't mean to rain on your parade, but you could have answered that in one word, and then taken your obsession with the SNP and Scottish independence to one of the many threads on those subjects to be found in the Shed.  But you didn't.  I appreciate that this probably means a hell of a lot to you (Jaysus knows but you bang on and on and on and on and on about it) but if you were less obsessed with that local stuff and more concerned about British politics you might have something useful to offer on the subject.

So you started a thread where you wanted everyone to reply with a yes or no. Maybe should have added that on the title 

[Roxy Hearts]

51 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You need to try Masons Gin if you get a chance, it's beautiful, Fever Tree 3 x ice and a slice of Lemon.

Never heard of it but will try it if I come across it. I prefer Fentimans tonic where I can get it which isn't often in bars or restaurants. I buy it on Amazon and they have some great varieties.

[Ulysses]

15 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

So you started a thread where you wanted everyone to reply with a yes or no. Maybe should have added that on the title 

 

No.  But if you've nothing to say about the Labour Party, just take your obsession with the SNP and independence somewhere else.  Seriously, I get that you really care about the subject.  But it's not like there aren't lots of places on JKB where you can live out your passions in this regard - I mean there are loads of threads on the subject, and as far as I can see you've posted in most of them so it's not like you don't know they're there.  And there's more to life than independence and the SNP, if you'd take a few minutes to go and have a look.

 

Anyway, I've explained exactly why you're making a complete bollix of this, and I've no intention of getting dragged down your rabbit hole. 

[Ulysses]

So, folks, the Labour Party.  Any thoughts?

[Ainsley Harriott]

Just now, Ulysses said:

So, folks, the Labour Party.  Any thoughts?

Shite but I can think of shiter 🫣

[Nucky Thompson]

6 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

So, folks, the Labour Party.  Any thoughts?

They've not got a clue who they are.

I feel sorry for Starmer who wants them to compete with the Tories and try and be more to the centre, but at the same time stay strong to their roots.

You've then got far left MP's who are a law unto themselves.

They are a total mess

[Ulysses]

23 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

👍Fair comment, which I agree with - workers are workers.  I'm not sure the Labour Party has always   championed  better conditions & pay for all   these types of worker though - for example most offices  tended to be a lot safer workplaces than factories in the past, before H&S became recognised as an essential thing worth employing experts to advise & administer. Labour & trade unions played a huge part in pressuring employers to drastically improve the H&S  and general working conditions of their employees. 

 

I would suggest that any political party NOT in government acts  very differently to how they would act if they were in power and therefore responsible for all aspects of the economy.      

 

 

A lot of the H&S developments seen in the UK (and ironically across Europe) arose from the sequence of disasters that happened in the "Tory" UK in the 1980s.  I'm thinking of things like the Herald of Free Enterprise and Marchioness sinkings, the King's Cross fire, Piper Alpha, and a few others.  They helped give rise to the idea that a completely deregulated H&S system wasn't feasible, and led to the emergence of the sometimes derided "elf and safety" culture.

 

Generally, parties act differently in opposition and in government.  But usually this means dialling back on some of the issues and policies that are dear to them.  What that means is that if Labour won't support workers when they try to claw back some of the losses caused by inflation while in opposition, how much worse will their treatment of workers get when they're in power.  I suppose my net question is: What's wrong with the Labour Party being a party of labour?

[Ulysses]

40 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Shite but I can think of shiter 🫣

 

 

Understood.

[Ulysses]

29 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

They've not got a clue who they are.

 

This is definitely the case, IMO.

[JudyJudyJudy]

[manaliveits105]

Wankers Union more like 

[JudyJudyJudy]

This reply 

 

 

 

 

[jack D and coke]

53 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

This reply 

 

 

 

 

I love twitter  

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

On 29/07/2022 at 15:31, Jeffros Furios said:

Yet you support the Celtic of politics... The Conservative and Nonces party .

 

 

So true.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Oh look he is now claiming to know what a woman is 

 

 

 

 

[jack D and coke]

Needs to be some concerted effort to get Mick Lynch into the Labour Party. 
He just doesn’t say the wrong things at all. 
Off the cuff saying the right things time and again. 
There’s another lad, right cockney don’t know his name who’s similar.
These are who should be in front of Labour for me. 

[ri Alban]

Starmer is a complete letdown. No backbone and seems terrified to act.(Unless it's punishment of his own team) 

 

 

Maybe he should drop the Sir for a month or two, just to see if it changes anyone's opinion of him. It might be petty, but it really is suspect, having a Knight as labour leader, that's right, the working people's party have the establishment as head of the party. So is it bad choice or is it the party that isn't labour. 

Anyway, I agree with @jack D and coke, get Mick Lynch up there leading the country to equality and fairness. 

 

It won't be allowed, the money will use their media to make sure we hate ourselves. They can have a useful general population with drive, brains and confidence. They need hate, poverty and hopelessness, so they can control us.

Edited August 9, 2022 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

It's all about the money and Labour is/are supposed to make sure it achieves fairness for everyone. But It sits there watching as the tax we pay is stolen and the countries assets are stripped, while prices go, not just up, but to a place where people can't pay and the rest will struggle to pay their energy bills, so will have to max out their credit cards,  spend their savings(if they have any), sell any luxury they have, beg family and friends, use food, and warmth banks, bus hop to keep warm or take other jobs, which will only cover the fuel to do their actual jobs.  

 

The Tories have no idea what it's like to live with just enough, break even or being absolutely skint, so they don't give a feck. The whole government are millionaires or extremely well off and change the rules, so that never changes and they get even richer. Labour is supposed to know what's what and fight the fight. You'd think. But no,  he sacked an MP for going on the picket line, take no sides they say, but the Tories are on the side of business and the rich, so yes, labour should be on the picket lines, bringing awareness and mobilising the working class people, not doing The Tories job for them. 

 

 

 

Personally, I don't feel part of labour anymore and haven't for about 15 years when I first changed my vote. The rest is for another thread. 

 

 

Sorry, I have no idea what I've written, as anytime I try to talk about the labour party, I get disheartened and end up with the soul completely destroyed, because they are useless, but they are not the most shit thing going, there's plenty worse than Labour.  War, poverty, starvation, etc... We live in hope tho, that at least the Tory will be gone, soon.

Edited August 9, 2022 by ri Alban

[JudyJudyJudy]

The Calvary to the rescue for Labour at the next election...Dearie me

 

 

 

 

[ri Alban]

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

It’s a parody surely ? 😂 that’s the problem though as it’s difficult to tell nowadays 

 

 

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

It’s a parody surely ? 😂 that’s the problem though as it’s difficult to tell nowadays 

 

 

 

 

I've read that article twice now and can't see where she said that. Am I missing something obvious? 

[ri Alban]

ECHR removal, Right to protest gone, unions outlawed, Rich robbing the tax, and devolution shut down. Civil war!

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

I've read that article twice now and can't see where she said that. Am I missing something obvious? 

Yes, James is obsessed.

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

I've read that article twice now and can't see where she said that. Am I missing something obvious? 

No your not.  That was the point. It could easily have been said by her but evidently it wasnt. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Yes, James is obsessed.

Surprised your still on the board. 

[SectionDJambo]

Maybe I'm not clever enough to figure this out, but if workers want to withdraw their labour over an industrial dispute, how is Truss going to stop them? Doesn't have to be an official union recommendation fo them to just not turn up, does it? Using social media to coordinate non official strikes can't be that difficult. The union could just say it hasn't sanctioned the action but understands it's members' feelings.

Maybe Truss should just tell her people to help both parties get round a negotiating table and come to some common ground. Maybe also a good idea to stop CEOs, and other high ranking company employees, from rubbing the workers' noses in it, by awarding themselves huge bonuses, whilst expecting others in their industry to be happy with minimal wage rises during a cost of living catastrophe.

The feelings of frustration and anger felt, are only going to get worse by attempting legislation to prevent disputes, rather than open and honest discussion.

There's a General Election looming and, this time, the whole country gets to vote for the next PM, not just a select few people.  

[Japan Jambo]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

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Edited September 8, 2022 by Japan Jambo

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

Maybe I'm not clever enough to figure this out, but if workers want to withdraw their labour over an industrial dispute, how is Truss going to stop them? Doesn't have to be an official union recommendation fo them to just not turn up, does it? Using social media to coordinate non official strikes can't be that difficult. The union could just say it hasn't sanctioned the action but understands it's members' feelings.

Maybe Truss should just tell her people to help both parties get round a negotiating table and come to some common ground. Maybe also a good idea to stop CEOs, and other high ranking company employees, from rubbing the workers' noses in it, by awarding themselves huge bonuses, whilst expecting others in their industry to be happy with minimal wage rises during a cost of living catastrophe.

The feelings of frustration and anger felt, are only going to get worse by attempting legislation to prevent disputes, rather than open and honest discussion.

There's a General Election looming and, this time, the whole country gets to vote for the next PM, not just a select few people.  

Strikes will now get violent. And anyone crossing the picket line, will get fecked up.

[New Town Loafer]

2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Surprised your still on the board. 

It's a genuine pity.

[Dazo]

1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

Maybe I'm not clever enough to figure this out, but if workers want to withdraw their labour over an industrial dispute, how is Truss going to stop them? Doesn't have to be an official union recommendation fo them to just not turn up, does it? Using social media to coordinate non official strikes can't be that difficult. The union could just say it hasn't sanctioned the action but understands it's members' feelings.

Maybe Truss should just tell her people to help both parties get round a negotiating table and come to some common ground. Maybe also a good idea to stop CEOs, and other high ranking company employees, from rubbing the workers' noses in it, by awarding themselves huge bonuses, whilst expecting others in their industry to be happy with minimal wage rises during a cost of living catastrophe.

The feelings of frustration and anger felt, are only going to get worse by attempting legislation to prevent disputes, rather than open and honest discussion.

There's a General Election looming and, this time, the whole country gets to vote for the next PM, not just a select few people.  

I’d imagine if you just didn’t turn up for work you’ll find yourself up for disciplinary action and soon out of a job. Mind you considering how unhappy they appear to be it might not be a bad thing. 

[Lovecraft]

Starmer is the political equivalent of having some Tesco value pasta, boiled in unsalted water and no sauce.

 

 

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

Starmer is the political equivalent of having some Tesco value pasta, boiled in unsalted water and no sauce.

 

 

Harsh on Pasta with no sauce. Our youngest loves it. 😢