Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

7 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

I already do volunteer work for free. Have done for years.

 

How about you ?

 

I do what I can, in fact tonight I'm taking a dining table and TV to a guy who's just moved out of homeless accomodation into an empty flat. I help run a free items group on Facebook, and although I don't often have the energy to help physically, today I've got a bit of fight in me. I try to do positive things in life whenever I can.

 

It wasn't me on about enriching society though.

Edited February 13, 2025 by ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Reform aren’t far right, the left has just moved so far to the left you can’t see the middle. I actually applaud the idealist views but unfortunately it is not the way the world works.  Have a look at Sweden.  Now one the most dangerous due to their radical liberal thinking.  
 

Here the bit you are missing. People are *******s! We have hordes of young men not here genuinely fleeing danger.  But to take advantage of a weak socialist state and weak liberal views.
 

West Lothian teeming with absolute *****, hell bent on nothing but crime and stealing benefits.   genuinely asylum seekers are the minority I’m afraid. 

 

Reform are so far right, they're the scumbag end of the Tories ffs. And the left has moved so far right they're centrists now.

[kingantti1874]

Just now, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

Reform are so far right, they're the scumbag end of the Tories ffs. And the left has moved so far right they're centrists now.

No one can seriously believe that.  Anyway, regardless of your personal views a correction is coming. Enough is enough. 

[kingantti1874]

7 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Poland gets it 

it’s not a coincidence that Poland is the safest country in Europe is it. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

8 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

No one can seriously believe that.  Anyway, regardless of your personal views a correction is coming. Enough is enough. 

 

It's a fact - Corbyn's lefty, this lot are occupying where the moderate Tories used to be. Surely you can see the difference??

 

You're just parroting far right tropes with no personal analysis - the great reset, that's exactly what trumps brainwashed morons go on about.

 

 

[ToadKiller Dog]

Safe countries in europe ranking

 

Sweden and Poland much of a much ,way behind Iceland ,Ireland and Denmark (until the US invade )

[JudyJudyJudy]

 

" far right "  dear lord give it a rest. No wonder DJT got elected by a landslide and Starmer will hopefully get the boot by a similar landslide. Just a shame we have to wait so long. 

 

 

 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

14 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Good work. We can all do our bit. Even those on the right you demonise. 

 

I've never said otherwise, but spare me the shite about working to enrich society. If that was true you'd be a communist. You work to enrich yourself.

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

It's a fact - Corbyn's lefty, this lot are occupying where the moderate Tories used to be. Surely you can see the difference??

 

You're just parroting far right tropes with no personal analysis - the great reset, that's exactly what trumps brainwashed morons go on about.

 

 

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

THIS

[kingantti1874]

5 minutes ago, ToadKiller Dog said:

Safe countries in europe ranking

 

Sweden and Poland much of a much ,way behind Iceland ,Ireland and Denmark (until the US invade )

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nordic-countries-join-forces-combat-spread-swedish-gang-crime-2024-08-14/

 

plenty of articles beyond the numbers.  Orebro now a no go zone for police, bomings so common they aren’t always reported. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

4 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

 

You're exactly parroting right wing tropes, right down to the left have moved so far left blah blah blah. It just looks that way because the right have moved so far right that the centre now looks extreme.

 

The UK's ****ed because while we were all suffering austerity, those in power were enriching their mates, and now everything's breaking down through lack of investment.

 

Alba shaor

[InternationalJambo]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Labour bullshitting about migrants?

Guy who owns a castle hotel in Cornwall said the govt offered him twice what he’d take in a year to close the hotel to the public and take 300 illegals. He was to get rid of all his staff etc too. 

There’s a rumor The Kings Manor on Milton Road is going down this route. 
What is going on?

But they’ve no money for this that and the next thing and screwing businesses for extra NI? 
There’s literally nothing surer than Reform making enormous strides next election. 

Are you even surprised? The fact they got the amount of votes they did shows how bad the conservatives ****ed it. 
 

Although the current government are doing their damned hardest to beat them to the post of the worst in office in our lifetime. 

[InternationalJambo]

1 hour ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

I've been saying Farage will be PM for ages now, but it's pretty depressing when good guys are jumping to his side.

Another voter for reform here👍

[Dennis Reynolds]

Calling the UK a socialist state might be the weirdest thing I've read on here.

1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said:

Reform aren’t far right, the left has just moved so far to the left you can’t see the middle. I actually applaud the idealist views but unfortunately it is not the way the world works.  Have a look at Sweden.  Now one the most dangerous due to their radical liberal thinking.  
 

Here the bit you are missing. People are *******s! We have hordes of young men not here genuinely fleeing danger.  But to take advantage of a weak socialist state and weak liberal views.
 

West Lothian teeming with absolute *****, hell bent on nothing but crime and stealing benefits.   genuinely asylum seekers are the minority I’m afraid. 

 

I spent the last three weeks in Sweden and have genuinely never felt safer. You need to step outside and stop parroting the pish you read on social media.

[InternationalJambo]

52 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

👏

[InternationalJambo]

3 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Calling the UK a socialist state might be the weirdest thing I've read on here.

 

I spent the last three weeks in Sweden and have genuinely never felt safer. You need to step outside and stop parroting the pish you read on social media.

Never felt safer when they’ve just had an attack on their people? Leave off it mate. 

[John Findlay]

55 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

I've never said otherwise, but spare me the shite about working to enrich society. If that was true you'd be a communist. You work to enrich yourself.

Don't we all.

Do you work?

If the good guys are jumping to reform.

I'm not sure they are.

Then surely the question to ask is a simple Why?

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

My sense is there are a lot of good people out there - scottish nationalists, labour, tory (ok probably not weirdo greens) - who are a baws hair away from registering a protest vote in favour of Reform next time to get this immigration and border control issue sorted out . It has been a little socially unacceptable to admit that until recently, but thats changing as well. 

The pendulum is swinging that’s for sure. Labour and even the conservatives have no answer for the mess that’s been put upon us. 

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, John Findlay said:

Don't we all.

Do you work?

If the good guys are jumping to reform.

I'm not sure they are.

Then surely the question to ask is a simple Why?

 

Just now, John Findlay said:

Don't we all.

Do you work?

If the good guys are jumping to reform.

I'm not sure they are.

Then surely the question to ask is a simple Why?

It is.

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

My sense is there are a lot of good people out there - scottish nationalists, labour, tory (ok probably not weirdo greens) - who are a baws hair away from registering a protest vote in favour of Reform next time to get this immigration and border control issue sorted out . It has been a little socially unacceptable to admit that until recently, but thats changing as well. 

Genuine question here.

 

Just how are Reform going to 'sort' this immigration and border control?

 

I suppose I'd ask what the issue that needs to be sorted is?

[Dennis Reynolds]

7 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

Never felt safer when they’ve just had an attack on their people? Leave off it mate. 

 

It's a big place, mate.

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m feckin its not right. 

It’s Reform for me. None of the rest are listening at all. 

As much as I understand people are drawn to Reform due to immigration issues, I don't think they're friends of Scotland. Just another wing of rabid Britnats!

[kingantti1874]

5 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

It's a big place, mate.

and the safety point I’ve stated are fact. Unchecked migration, large scale migration of organised criminals has caused enormous issues in Sweden. It’s not debate and it’s not parroting shit of social media.  Stone, cold unchallengeable fact

 

as for the U.K. . Of course it’s socialist, the state is enormous, our welfare bill is unprecedented, our immigration policies are weak, the unions have far too much influence, we are taxed on what we earn, what we buy, what we save and when we die.

 

its socialist by every measure but not socialist enough for some 

Edited February 13, 2025 by kingantti1874

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

Genuine question here.

 

Just how are Reform going to 'sort' this immigration and border control?

 

I suppose I'd ask what the issue that needs to be sorted is?

Question in good faith.
 

Do you think the number of migrants (net) coming into the country is sustainable? 728,000 last year in 2024 expected to be over 1million this year. This will continue to rise. We have no deterrents in place to stop this. It’s costing the tax payer thousands upon thousands annually. It needs to stop. 

[InternationalJambo]

5 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

It's a big place, mate.

So you’re making your point of the country being safe based around a specific location when their country is huge… alrighty. 

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, Roxy Hearts said:

As much as I understand people are drawn to Reform due to immigration issues, I don't think they're friends of Scotland. Just another wing of rabid Britnats!

When you read the reform Ltd manifesto from 2024 and their 5 pledges on immigration absolutely none of them, not a single one, hold any water. 

 

A bit like their fiscal policy. 

 

It doesn't really hold any kind of scrutiny. 

[Dennis Reynolds]

1 minute ago, InternationalJambo said:

So you’re making your point of the country being safe based around a specific location when their country is huge… alrighty. 

 

I mean, you're doing the exact same.....

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

I mean, you're doing the exact same.....

I’d award you the gold in mental gymnastics mate well done 👏 

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

A fair question

 

I want to see a transparent system of skills based immigration. No issues here and welcome people who can sort skills gaps 

 

Of those that do immigrate, i want them to prove over time they are contributing to the economy and integrating in society. 

 

Zero tolerance to illegal immigrants 

Any criminal charges means they're deported.

[Dennis Reynolds]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

and the safety point I’ve stated are fact. Unchecked migration, large scale migration of organised criminals has caused enormous issues in Sweden. It’s not debate and it’s not parroting shit of social media.  Stone, cold unchallengeable fact

 

as for the U.K. . Of course it’s socialist, the state is enormous, our welfare bill is unprecedented, our immigration policies are weak, the unions have far too much influence, we are taxed on what we earn, what we buy, what we save and when we die.

 

its socialist by every measure but not socialist enough for some 

 

It's not a fact. I'm literally here right now and I'm telling you, yer talking pish. 

 

So pray tell, what in the last six months of labour being in charge has changed to make it a socialist? Cause it sure as shit wasn't socialist under the Tories.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, InternationalJambo said:

Question in good faith.
 

Do you think the number of migrants (net) coming into the country is sustainable? 728,000 last year in 2024 expected to be over 1million this year. This will continue to rise. We have no deterrents in place to stop this. It’s costing the tax payer thousands upon thousands annually. It needs to stop. 

 

1.2 million migrants the absolute majority of whom came on visas. 

 

Approx 39,000 or 3% arrived through 'illegal' means. 

 

Which migration are you trying to stop?

 

 

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

 

1.2 million migrants the absolute majority of whom came on visas. 

 

Approx 39,000 or 3% arrived through 'illegal' means. 

 

Which migration are you trying to stop?

 

 

What’s the percentage of that 1.2m that came through on family visas? 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

A fair question

 

I want to see a transparent system of skills based immigration. No issues here and welcome people who can sort skills gaps 

 

Of those that do immigrate, i want them to prove over time they are contributing to the economy and integrating in society. 

 

Zero tolerance to illegal immigrants 

The current and previous government would debate that the current migration system is skills/need based asthey issued over 1m visas last year. 

 

OK so zero tolerance to 3% of those arriving in the UK. 

 

I'd like to see how reform Ltd propose to tackle this in a meaningful way as their manifesto was full of utter nonsense suggestions. 

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

4 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

What’s the percentage of that 1.2m that came through on family visas? 

No idea. It'll be on UK government website. Thats where I got the 1.2m number

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

The core infrastructure of the uk is falling apart.

We dont need 1.2m people adding strain to it. 

How many are economically active ? 

I'd suggest how many are economically inactive is the question you should be asking and follow that up with a why?

[kingantti1874]

26 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Genuine question here.

 

Just how are Reform going to 'sort' this immigration and border control?

 

I suppose I'd ask what the issue that needs to be sorted is?

 

1. Set an online mechanism for anyone who genuinely thinks they have a genuine right to asylum. This should be tight - e.g zero people from Albania should be in the UK ever other than on holiday. 

 

2. Remove the right of citizenship for anyone who crosses illegally. And remove the right to stay indefinitely. 

 

3 Remove Access to benefits, housing, help, NHS treatment for anyone who crosses illegally. Introduce National ID CARD to identify those who are eligible. 

 

4 Anyone who attempts to cross illegally. Re-start the Rwanda scheme. Or deport to country of origin.

 

5. Don’t let the boats land, gather and safely shepherd the boats. Bus people to first airport with no delay.  Again.  

 

6. Toughen legal immigration, needs based and character based.  Sorry no you can’t live here and import your 45 cousins. 
 

7. no access to benefits for 15 years of consistent NI contributions after citizenship 
 

78. Make houseing an illegal immigrant a criminal offence punishable by jail time
 

Tough policies and a change to the law would sort the problem in 1 month.   Again, legal controlled needs based migration should be encouraged for people who want to come here, live integrate and add value.  

Edited February 13, 2025 by kingantti1874

[InternationalJambo]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

No idea. It'll be on UK government website. Thats where I got the 1.2m number

So you’re happy to continue how things are going without questioning what is going on? Cmon man. It’s not sustainable. Everyone knows it. 

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'd suggest how many are economically inactive is the question you should be asking and follow that up with a why?

How many are economically inactive?

 

[InternationalJambo]

3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'd suggest how many are economically inactive is the question you should be asking and follow that up with a why?

The why is they are getting everything handed to them on a plate when they arrive here. The life our poorest live is a luxury for the folk coming here. 

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, InternationalJambo said:

So you’re happy to continue how things are going without questioning what is going on? Cmon man. It’s not sustainable. Everyone knows it. 

Whether I'm happy is neither here nor there. 

 

If i was going to vote for anyone I'd want to know what they plan to do about something I perceive as a problem but firstly I'd probably try to figure out what the problem actually is and then just how big that problem is. 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

How many are economically inactive?

 

No idea pal. I'm not looking to vote for Reform on the basis of a 'problem' with migration.

[InternationalJambo]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Whether I'm happy is neither here nor there. 

 

If i was going to vote for anyone I'd want to know what they plan to do about something I perceive as a problem but firstly I'd probably try to figure out what the problem actually is and then just how big that problem is. 

So you don’t see the amount of migrants entering the country as a problem?

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

The why is they are getting everything handed to them on a plate when they arrive here. The life our poorest live is a luxury for the folk coming here. 

Who are 'they'?

What are 'they' being handed on a plate?

How many of 'they' are there?

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

No idea pal. I'm not looking to vote for Reform on the basis of a 'problem' with migration.

Do you acknowledge there is a problem with migration?

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, InternationalJambo said:

So you don’t see the amount of migrants entering the country as a problem?

I'm not thinking of voting for Reform Ltd on the basis of immigration.

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

Do you acknowledge there is a problem with migration?

Define the problem?

 

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

Who are 'they'?

What are 'they' being handed on a plate?

How many of 'they' are there?

Jesus😂😂 

 

Not even any point in engaging further if you’re just going to rebuttal by asking questions and avoiding the issue. 

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Who are 'they'?

What are 'they' being handed on a plate?

How many of 'they' are there?

Jesus. Illegal immigrants, benefit, NHS, housing. About 700-800k per year.

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, InternationalJambo said:

Jesus😂😂 

 

Not even any point in engaging further if you’re just going to rebuttal by asking questions and avoiding the issue. 

There wasnt a point to engage with. If you're going to come on with lazy tropes which are utter nonsense then I'm not getting into it.