Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Gerry1874 said:

Nigel as PM would be worth seeing just for the meltdown from the left.

 

[Cade]

Wanting Toad of Toad Hall to wreck the entire country just to "own the libs" is the dimmest thing I've heard in a while.

 

[Gerry1874]

33 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Would it now. Would be like Liz Truss x 10. How many are gonna suffer just because some folk think "the meltdown from the left" would worth seeing? The bodies will pile high again like they did under your infamous left-hating Boris and Trump.

 

See it's at least 4 years away and it's already got you gibbering nonsense.

[joondalupjambo]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Getting on the front foot down south is all that matters. 
The go and do’s up here will pretend they’ve got some different plan for Scotland until they’re told different by a guy who doesn’t even know their names. 

Handing it on a plate to this current snp lot is that better?…I’m not sure. 

Yeah agree. SNP at the moment is not that attractive however once they remove Swinney and some more of the old guard.

[Gundermann]

17 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

See it's at least 4 years away and it's already got you gibbering nonsense.

 

Didn't stop you celebrating it like an 'edgy' 14 year old.

 

Yeah, let the billionaire nonces and their pals take power. That'll show the left.

[jack D and coke]

15 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Yeah agree. SNP at the moment is not that attractive however once they remove Swinney and some more of the old guard.

The sturgeon era needs completely wiped out imo. A total scorched earth policy or the party can’t move on. 
I doubt I could vote for them atm. 
 

[Sooperstar]

It's about time you were allowed to calm people thick ****ing ***** on here.

[JudyJudyJudy]

58 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

See it's at least 4 years away and it's already got you gibbering nonsense.

He seems to be worried about the day he might never see . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

26 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

The sturgeon era needs completely wiped out imo. A total scorched earth policy or the party can’t move on. 
I doubt I could vote for them atm. 
 

👍 

[FWJ]

How exercised were WASPI about state pension inequality when men had to wait 5 years longer to claim it, even though on average they live 5 years less?

[BlueRiver]

Just now, FWJ said:

How exercised were WASPI about state pension inequality when men had to wait 5 years longer to claim it, even though on average they live 5 years less?

 

They couldn't care less. Just like they couldn't care less about their own financial incompetence meaning they want to burden workers who won't retire till they're in their late 60s at earliest now. 

 

The articles about all these folk "struggling" on with work in their early 60s are quite frankly insulting to the lions share of the population that was never expected to do anything but "struggle" on in employment till 65+.

 

[BlueRiver]

The absolute best of it is the ones in articles that vote Lib Dem or Tory. Not an ounce of brains amongst them considering who brought the changes in entirely when in government 😂 

 

Can't say it shocks me they missed the 20 years of announcements that even school children were aware of. 

 

 

[jack D and coke]

27 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

They couldn't care less. Just like they couldn't care less about their own financial incompetence meaning they want to burden workers who won't retire till they're in their late 60s at earliest now. 

 

The articles about all these folk "struggling" on with work in their early 60s are quite frankly insulting to the lions share of the population that was never expected to do anything but "struggle" on in employment till 65+.

 

I agree absolutely with all this however Labour made a big play about it. 
That's the kicker no?

[XB52]

2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I agree absolutely with all this however Labour made a big play about it. 
That's the kicker no?

Exactly. I agree that the whole Waspi movement is a joke but the pure hypocrisy of the labour politicians is the point here

[BlueRiver]

5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I agree absolutely with all this however Labour made a big play about it. 
That's the kicker no?

 

It wasn't in the manifesto but yes they probably were a bit too cosy with a lot of it. They probably strung them along to a degree. Not something I'm a fan of because I believe they should've ruled it out as soon as Starmer took over. 

 

Although from what I've read a lot of the quotes being dredged up are from 2017 and 2019 when Corbyn led the party. Back when McDonnell pulled out a 50bn uncoated pledge from his arse in the final days of campaigning. 

[BlueRiver]

5 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Exactly. I agree that the whole Waspi movement is a joke but the pure hypocrisy of the labour politicians is the point here

 

What surprises me is how sympathetic almost without fail the entire media seem to be to this campaign. I really cannot understand why there's so few journalists looking at it in broader terms than what the WASPI campaign wish to represent to them. 

[Gundermann]

23 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

What surprises me is how sympathetic almost without fail the entire media seem to be to this campaign. I really cannot understand why there's so few journalists looking at it in broader terms than what the WASPI campaign wish to represent to them. 

 

I believe the independent ombudsman found in favour of the Waspis and recommended payments of up to £2k. The Tories ignored the ruling and kicked the can down the road to Starmer. Labour were all over the Waspi campaign like a rash despite all the Labour websites now being cleaned of past promises and pro Waspi statements. Hypocrisy all round.

[Rousset1]

The WASPIs are one of the few demo groups I'm happy to see on the streets.

 

I wonder if the Labour back-stabbers will take note of the public mood and change their decision?

 

We won't be holding our breath!

 

[BlueRiver]

15 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

I believe the independent ombudsman found in favour of the Waspis and recommended payments of up to £2k. The Tories ignored the ruling and kicked the can down the road to Starmer. Labour were all over the Waspi campaign like a rash despite all the Labour websites now being cleaned of past promises and pro Waspi statements. Hypocrisy all round.

 

The ombudsman did indeed. You're also right in that it is hypocrisy all round. 

 

What i don't get though is that the media are just also going full throttle on this being some noble crusade of a campaign with very few dissenting voices. 

[BlueRiver]

3 minutes ago, Rousset1 said:

The WASPIs are one of the few demo groups I'm happy to see on the streets.

 

I wonder if the Labour back-stabbers will take note of the public mood and change their decision?

 

We won't be holding our breath!

 

 

Do you know what the overall public mood is? 

 

I've seen very few people outside of the WASPI campaigners that are really bothering their arses. Anecdote isn't evidence of course but I don't quite believe there's a huge appetite amongst the broad population to hand out money to them. 

[Cade]

Pension ages for women changed

Government didn't inform people well enough so people didn't make the correct plans for their future

Rule changes were accelerated by the Con/Lib coalition

The Conservatives then did feck all about it for 14 years in power.

 

Now it's all Starmer's fault.

 

 

Keef could and should levy massive windfall taxes on energy companies, supermarkets and all other profiteers who have been posting record profits recently then use that money to settle the waspis.

And Keef should slap a tight energy price cap on all residences which have 100% pensioner occupancy to offset the winter fuel payments (which can then be scrapped forever) but then he's a clueless, spineless turd of a "Labour" Prime Minister.

[joondalupjambo]

1 hour ago, Gundermann said:

 

I believe the independent ombudsman found in favour of the Waspis and recommended payments of up to £2k. The Tories ignored the ruling and kicked the can down the road to Starmer. Labour were all over the Waspi campaign like a rash despite all the Labour websites now being cleaned of past promises and pro Waspi statements. Hypocrisy all round.

It was just shy of £3k for a group of 3.5 million hence why Labour have been banging on about it going to cost £10.5 billion. However the range recommended was £1k to £3k so spinning it the other way only £3.5 billion if you pay out at the lowest end.   

 

The other key issue is that the ombudsman also found out that 90% of the total cohort were communicated to, and advised as to what was happening well in advance.   

 

Labour are spinning on the cost rather than saying the majority knew what was coming.  If they spun it on the communication then 10% of the cohort would have a much bigger case. 

Edited December 18, 2024 by joondalupjambo

[davemclaren]

Mrs McL is a Waspi ( amongst other things ) and she was certainly aware as I worked in the Financial World.  Given the ombudsman recommended some compensation a token gesture of a couple of hundred quid might have taken the sting out of it politically for them. 🥸🐝

[jack D and coke]

Wee Anus confirming once again he wears his baws for earrings when he gets telt by his boss who calls the shots here. 

[Fxxx the SPFL]

5 hours ago, FWJ said:

How exercised were WASPI about state pension inequality when men had to wait 5 years longer to claim it, even though on average they live 5 years less?

Yep us poor men were shafted at the outset l wonder how many men died before 65 I’m sure at one point men in Glasgow’s during 50’s/60’s average life span was below 65. 

[Mikey1874]

Totally fair to criticise Labour.

 

But there is a pattern in a lot of the recent controversies.

 

Labour is being criticised for decisions the Conservatives put off for years. Another one coming up is pension reform. But a 2017 review was never implemented. That's about increasing the contributions (currently 3% employer, 4% employee) for auto enrollment pensions. 

Edited December 18, 2024 by Mikey1874

[ToadKiller Dog]

Wes Streeting enjoying a nice diner

 

nice picture in this article  of Labours Wes Streeting enjoing dinner with Farage and the Spectator Gbebbies owner/funder at the Spectator event .

Spiv Streeting is a shinning example of the Starmer labour party .

[jack D and coke]

Owen Jones a wee fud but this is all gathering pace…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/20/starmer-labour-failures-disaster-committee

[jack D and coke]

There’s much worse rumours about him too. A creepy individual with loads of links to Epstein. 
 

[HartleyLegend3]

Did you vote for Labour? 

 

How do you feel how things are going?

 

A, happy 

B, no different 

C, disgusted 

Edited December 21, 2024 by HartleyLegend3

[Cade]

I did not vote Labour.

I'm very pleased that the Tory shites got kicked into touch.

I am totally unsurprised as how wishy washy Keef and co have been since taking over.

The current Government are not Labour. They are New New Labour. Which means they're One Nation Conservatives.

 

 

[Mikey1874]

Key judgement will be likes of NHS in England. Very little coverage of the changes have made. Daily Mirror has a front page story today.

 

Media too excited to slag Labour to be bothered. But if they are successful in some of changes like more GP appointments and quicker cancer treatments you'll have 10 years to keep this thread going. 

[the posh bit]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

There’s much worse rumours about him too. A creepy individual with loads of links to Epstein. 
 

 

Mandleson is a guaranteed nonce. He reeks of noncery. 

[SectionDJambo]

It was long suspected, by a few political commentators, before the General Election, that the Conservative government was deliberately leaving leaving a financial mess behind, so as to hinder any prospect the Labour government would have of repairing the damage within 5 years, never mind  quickly. Labour must have known this, so any surprise at the financial "black hole" looks less than sincere on their part. 

In my opinion, they have fallen into the trap by trying to plug the financial chaos left by the Conservatives far too quickly. They would be better rowing back on some of the decisions they have made, and going for a steadier approach which doesn't lose them tne support of the people who voted for them in July.

They have to get smarter, quickly. Their current approach is not impressing anyone, apart from the opposition parties.

[Dennis Reynolds]

2 hours ago, HartleyLegend3 said:

Did you vote for Labour? 

 

How do you feel how things are going?

 

A, happy 

B, no different 

C, disgusted 

 

Somewhere between B and A.

[Mikey1874]

34 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

It was long suspected, by a few political commentators, before the General Election, that the Conservative government was deliberately leaving leaving a financial mess behind, so as to hinder any prospect the Labour government would have of repairing the damage within 5 years, never mind  quickly. Labour must have known this, so any surprise at the financial "black hole" looks less than sincere on their part. 

In my opinion, they have fallen into the trap by trying to plug the financial chaos left by the Conservatives far too quickly. They would be better rowing back on some of the decisions they have made, and going for a steadier approach which doesn't lose them tne support of the people who voted for them in July.

They have to get smarter, quickly. Their current approach is not impressing anyone, apart from the opposition parties.

 

Increasing employers' National Insurance contributions when growth is the main aim makes no sense.

 

They clearly have a plan though. But the incredible unaffordable 4% employee National Insurance Jeremy Hunt cuts probably should have been reversed instead. That was the trap the Conservatives set.

Edited December 21, 2024 by Mikey1874

[Mikey1874]

5 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

There’s much worse rumours about him too. A creepy individual with loads of links to Epstein. 
 

 

Trump team showing they fear him. Though knowing Epstein is surely in his benefit being Epstein was a best buddy of Trump.

 

Mandelson mainly brings second to none trade experience given trade is the number one challenge for the UK with Trump threatening tariffs and the trade deal still possible. Mandelson negotiated one of the hardest ever deals with China as EU trade Commissioner which is another strong message to Trump. That UK is pro EU in the new world order. 

 

Other than that there is no bigger British patriot and no bigger expert in the grassroots of the Labour Party.

 

Meanwhile another strong message from Starmer. Not messing about. 

[Cade]

"oh we can't block President Musk from bankrolling Reform, they might use that as propaganda"

So just twiddle your thumbs and let him twist the algorithm to push their content so they win?

Feck sake pull your heids out yer erses and simply block all foreign donations to all parties.

[John Findlay]

11 hours ago, Cade said:

 

Feck sake pull your heids out yer erses and simply block all foreign donations to all parties.

Not going to happen, as they all rake in millions from overseas.

[ToadKiller Dog]

30 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Not going to happen, as they all rake in millions from overseas.

Yep labour took £4m there biggest ever single donation during the election from a caymen islands registered Hedgefunder with interests in fossil fuels and private health care ,they should but they won't stop foreign funding as it enriches them also. 

 

 

[Ked]

18 hours ago, HartleyLegend3 said:

Did you vote for Labour? 

 

How do you feel how things are going?

 

A, happy 

B, no different 

C, disgusted 

Didn't vote them.

But given the alternative I'm glad they're running things.

And that I'm afraid is the low bar we are at.

[jack D and coke]

14 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Trump team showing they fear him. Though knowing Epstein is surely in his benefit being Epstein was a best buddy of Trump.

 

Mandelson mainly brings second to none trade experience given trade is the number one challenge for the UK with Trump threatening tariffs and the trade deal still possible. Mandelson negotiated one of the hardest ever deals with China as EU trade Commissioner which is another strong message to Trump. That UK is pro EU in the new world order. 

 

Other than that there is no bigger British patriot and no bigger expert in the grassroots of the Labour Party.

 

Meanwhile another strong message from Starmer. Not messing about. 

My god….

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

My god….

I presume he's joking, but then again must be a unionist so.....

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

I presume he's joking, but then again must be a unionist so.....

 

Yeah.

 

The grown up world passes you by.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Yeah.

 

The grown up world passes you by.

😂

[Roxy Hearts]

36 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Yeah.

 

The grown up world passes you by.

You are joking! 🤣

[Ulysses]

6 hours ago, Ked said:

Didn't vote them.

But given the alternative I'm glad they're running things.

And that I'm afraid is the low bar we are at.

 

That's about it, really.

[Gundermann]

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-ai-tiktok-video-animals-explicit-song-b2674752.html

 

The song continues: “You said I’m forbidden because I get addicted fast / Perfect combination is sex, beer and weed / The young girl got addicted, she’s enjoying the breeze / I’m putting my p**** in a young girl’s p****”

[Gerry1874]

Scottish budget set to pass as Labour abstain. What a bunch of shite bags.

[Ulysses]

1 minute ago, Gerry1874 said:

Scottish budget set to pass as Labour abstain. What a bunch of shite bags.

 

Abstain?  What's that about?