Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[jack D and coke]

9 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Be interesting to see how Germany votes after the events of today and other recent issues. We must have secure borders. 

Yeah it’s this wonderful diversity that is seeing road blocks installed at all our markets etc now. 
What a mess our governments are getting us into. 
Then they’ll complain about the rise of the right. 
They’ve got it coming. 
 

[Dawnrazor]

5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Yeah it’s this wonderful diversity that is seeing road blocks installed at all our markets etc now. 
What a mess our governments are getting us into. 
Then they’ll complain about the rise of the right. 
They’ve got it coming. 
 

Exactly, failing to take on board people's concerns leads to the extreams of the political spectrum to profit.

The rise of the right is down to the failure of the centre and left.

[jack D and coke]

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Exactly, failing to take on board people's concerns leads to the extreams of the political spectrum to profit.

The rise of the right is down to the failure of the centre and left.

It’s not even just the concerns, why are they spending north of £8m A DAY to put these people up in hotels while everything around us goes to shit?!

Illegal migrants wandering our streets all paid for with our tax dollars…WTAF!?
The guy with the castle in Cornwall said it’s all 4 poster beds etc I mean it’s like some sort of wind up! 

Edited February 13, 2025 by jack D and coke

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

It’s not even just the concerns, why are they spending north of £8m A DAY to put these people up in hotels while everything around us goes to shit!

Illegal migrants wandering our streets all paid for with our tax dollars…WTAF!?
The guy with the castle in Cornwall said it’s all 4 poster beds etc I mean it’s like some sort of wind up! 

But your a "racist" if you say that!

I'm in favour of immigration, we need people to come and fill gaps in the work force, because the British have too many work shy lazy ***** but that's a different argument, qualified and skilled people should be welcomed. Genuine asylum seekers who are in genuine danger in their home country should also be accommodated, but large numbers of men, it seems to be mostly men around here, being housed in hotels and pretty much left to their own devices, who speak no English can't be right.

[kingantti1874]

12 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

It’s not even just the concerns, why are they spending north of £8m A DAY to put these people up in hotels while everything around us goes to shit?!

Illegal migrants wandering our streets all paid for with our tax dollars…WTAF!?
The guy with the castle in Cornwall said it’s all 4 poster beds etc I mean it’s like some sort of wind up! 

its ridiculous. Again, to the liberals unable to have a reasonable debate everyone concerned at this farce is a racist.  Controlled, needs based immigration should be welcomed for anyone who wants to come here, live, work and respect the country. But this farce needs to stop.

 

Voted Labour to oust the even more woke liberal SNO but next time round I’ll be voting reform as well. 

[jack D and coke]

12 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

But your a "racist" if you say that!

I'm in favour of immigration, we need people to come and fill gaps in the work force, because the British have too many work shy lazy ***** but that's a different argument, qualified and skilled people should be welcomed. Genuine asylum seekers who are in genuine danger in their home country should also be accommodated, but large numbers of men, it seems to be mostly men around here, being housed in hotels and pretty much left to their own devices, who speak no English can't be right.

I’m feckin its not right. 

7 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

its ridiculous. Again, to the liberals unable to have a reasonable debate everyone concerned at this farce is a racist.  Controlled, needs based immigration should be welcomed for anyone who wants to come here, live, work and respect the country. But this farce needs to stop.

 

Voted Labour to oust the even more woke liberal SNO but next time round I’ll be voting reform as well. 

It’s Reform for me. None of the rest are listening at all. 

[escobri]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

Labour bullshitting about migrants?

Guy who owns a castle hotel in Cornwall said the govt offered him twice what he’d take in a year to close the hotel to the public and take 300 illegals. He was to get rid of all his staff etc too. 

There’s a rumor The Kings Manor on Milton Road is going down this route. 
What is going on?

But they’ve no money for this that and the next thing and screwing businesses for extra NI? 
There’s literally nothing surer than Reform making enormous strides next election. 

I think that will be John Mappin from Camelot Castle,  interesting guy 🤣.

 

"Henceforth Donald J Trump shall be known at Camelot Castle as Sir Donald Trump of Camelot. The Camelot Knighthood and honour is hereditary with the title passing to each of his children and in turn their grandchildren. His wife Melania will be known at Camelot Castle as Lady Melania of Camelot."

 

 

I'm hoping what you've heard about the Kings Manor hotel isn't true.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

I’m feckin its not right. 

It’s Reform for me. None of the rest are listening at all. 

I couldn't vote for them, but I understand why lots will.

You can almost see the Tories & Labour looking at Reform thinking, this lot could get in, do a lot of "dirty work" then get binned, could be a fix for them?

[escobri]

2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m feckin its not right. 

It’s Reform for me. None of the rest are listening at all. 

Sadly Labour have a few years to destroy our country even more.

[jack D and coke]

2 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Whats going on here. We're almost in agreement on something lol. Strange times.

Bizarro indeed  

[jack D and coke]

4 minutes ago, escobri said:

Sadly Labour have a few years to destroy our country even more.

Could be in a right state by time they’re out of office. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

18 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

It’s not even just the concerns, why are they spending north of £8m A DAY to put these people up in hotels while everything around us goes to shit?!

Illegal migrants wandering our streets all paid for with our tax dollars…WTAF!?
The guy with the castle in Cornwall said it’s all 4 poster beds etc I mean it’s like some sort of wind up! 

 

They're not illegal, they wouldn't be getting our tax dollars if they were.

 

Refugees aren't expected to have documents all present and correct, it's understood that in fleeing they haven't arranged visas with their government etc.

 

It's also understood that they have to enter the country by unofficial means, as they simply can't do it any other way - this is what we all signed up to.

 

It's not illegal to enter a country by unofficial means and claim refuge.

 

The problem is like everything else, the rich get richer while our infrastructure struggles. They COULD have built refugee centres and dealt with the issue that way, but instead millions of your tax money are poured into the pockets of private businesses for them to profit from it.

 

Meanwhile, the refuge system's a joke, and instead of building a streamlined, efficient system to deal with applications speedily and effectively, we lob people into hotels and get to it when we get to it, spending fortunes in that extra time.

 

But Reform man, JFC, what's happened to you? Voting far right isn't the protest to be making!

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

I've been saying Farage will be PM for ages now, but it's pretty depressing when good guys are jumping to his side.

[Dawnrazor]

6 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

I've been saying Farage will be PM for ages now, but it's pretty depressing when good guys are jumping to his side.

Shows the problem.

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

3 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Dont worry, as one of the good guys you mention ive not jumped. 

 

Yet 

 

Great, just waiting for you to go on the dole and do volunteer work for free now in your bid to enrich society above chasing personal wealth and comfort. 👍

[kingantti1874]

7 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

They're not illegal, they wouldn't be getting our tax dollars if they were.

 

Refugees aren't expected to have documents all present and correct, it's understood that in fleeing they haven't arranged visas with their government etc.

 

It's also understood that they have to enter the country by unofficial means, as they simply can't do it any other way - this is what we all signed up to.

 

It's not illegal to enter a country by unofficial means and claim refuge.

 

The problem is like everything else, the rich get richer while our infrastructure struggles. They COULD have built refugee centres and dealt with the issue that way, but instead millions of your tax money are poured into the pockets of private businesses for them to profit from it.

 

Meanwhile, the refuge system's a joke, and instead of building a streamlined, efficient system to deal with applications speedily and effectively, we lob people into hotels and get to it when we get to it, spending fortunes in that extra time.

 

But Reform man, JFC, what's happened to you? Voting far right isn't the protest to be making!

Reform aren’t far right, the left has just moved so far to the left you can’t see the middle. I actually applaud the idealist views but unfortunately it is not the way the world works.  Have a look at Sweden.  Now one the most dangerous due to their radical liberal thinking.  
 

Here the bit you are missing. People are *******s! We have hordes of young men not here genuinely fleeing danger.  But to take advantage of a weak socialist state and weak liberal views.
 

West Lothian teeming with absolute *****, hell bent on nothing but crime and stealing benefits.   genuinely asylum seekers are the minority I’m afraid. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

7 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

I already do volunteer work for free. Have done for years.

 

How about you ?

 

I do what I can, in fact tonight I'm taking a dining table and TV to a guy who's just moved out of homeless accomodation into an empty flat. I help run a free items group on Facebook, and although I don't often have the energy to help physically, today I've got a bit of fight in me. I try to do positive things in life whenever I can.

 

It wasn't me on about enriching society though.

Edited February 13, 2025 by ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Reform aren’t far right, the left has just moved so far to the left you can’t see the middle. I actually applaud the idealist views but unfortunately it is not the way the world works.  Have a look at Sweden.  Now one the most dangerous due to their radical liberal thinking.  
 

Here the bit you are missing. People are *******s! We have hordes of young men not here genuinely fleeing danger.  But to take advantage of a weak socialist state and weak liberal views.
 

West Lothian teeming with absolute *****, hell bent on nothing but crime and stealing benefits.   genuinely asylum seekers are the minority I’m afraid. 

 

Reform are so far right, they're the scumbag end of the Tories ffs. And the left has moved so far right they're centrists now.

[kingantti1874]

Just now, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

Reform are so far right, they're the scumbag end of the Tories ffs. And the left has moved so far right they're centrists now.

No one can seriously believe that.  Anyway, regardless of your personal views a correction is coming. Enough is enough. 

[kingantti1874]

7 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Poland gets it 

it’s not a coincidence that Poland is the safest country in Europe is it. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

8 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

No one can seriously believe that.  Anyway, regardless of your personal views a correction is coming. Enough is enough. 

 

It's a fact - Corbyn's lefty, this lot are occupying where the moderate Tories used to be. Surely you can see the difference??

 

You're just parroting far right tropes with no personal analysis - the great reset, that's exactly what trumps brainwashed morons go on about.

 

 

[ToadKiller Dog]

Safe countries in europe ranking

 

Sweden and Poland much of a much ,way behind Iceland ,Ireland and Denmark (until the US invade )

[JudyJudyJudy]

 

" far right "  dear lord give it a rest. No wonder DJT got elected by a landslide and Starmer will hopefully get the boot by a similar landslide. Just a shame we have to wait so long. 

 

 

 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

14 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Good work. We can all do our bit. Even those on the right you demonise. 

 

I've never said otherwise, but spare me the shite about working to enrich society. If that was true you'd be a communist. You work to enrich yourself.

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

It's a fact - Corbyn's lefty, this lot are occupying where the moderate Tories used to be. Surely you can see the difference??

 

You're just parroting far right tropes with no personal analysis - the great reset, that's exactly what trumps brainwashed morons go on about.

 

 

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

THIS

[kingantti1874]

5 minutes ago, ToadKiller Dog said:

Safe countries in europe ranking

 

Sweden and Poland much of a much ,way behind Iceland ,Ireland and Denmark (until the US invade )

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nordic-countries-join-forces-combat-spread-swedish-gang-crime-2024-08-14/

 

plenty of articles beyond the numbers.  Orebro now a no go zone for police, bomings so common they aren’t always reported. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

4 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

 

You're exactly parroting right wing tropes, right down to the left have moved so far left blah blah blah. It just looks that way because the right have moved so far right that the centre now looks extreme.

 

The UK's ****ed because while we were all suffering austerity, those in power were enriching their mates, and now everything's breaking down through lack of investment.

 

Alba shaor

[InternationalJambo]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Labour bullshitting about migrants?

Guy who owns a castle hotel in Cornwall said the govt offered him twice what he’d take in a year to close the hotel to the public and take 300 illegals. He was to get rid of all his staff etc too. 

There’s a rumor The Kings Manor on Milton Road is going down this route. 
What is going on?

But they’ve no money for this that and the next thing and screwing businesses for extra NI? 
There’s literally nothing surer than Reform making enormous strides next election. 

Are you even surprised? The fact they got the amount of votes they did shows how bad the conservatives ****ed it. 
 

Although the current government are doing their damned hardest to beat them to the post of the worst in office in our lifetime. 

[InternationalJambo]

1 hour ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

I've been saying Farage will be PM for ages now, but it's pretty depressing when good guys are jumping to his side.

Another voter for reform here👍

[Dennis Reynolds]

Calling the UK a socialist state might be the weirdest thing I've read on here.

1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said:

Reform aren’t far right, the left has just moved so far to the left you can’t see the middle. I actually applaud the idealist views but unfortunately it is not the way the world works.  Have a look at Sweden.  Now one the most dangerous due to their radical liberal thinking.  
 

Here the bit you are missing. People are *******s! We have hordes of young men not here genuinely fleeing danger.  But to take advantage of a weak socialist state and weak liberal views.
 

West Lothian teeming with absolute *****, hell bent on nothing but crime and stealing benefits.   genuinely asylum seekers are the minority I’m afraid. 

 

I spent the last three weeks in Sweden and have genuinely never felt safer. You need to step outside and stop parroting the pish you read on social media.

[InternationalJambo]

52 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I don’t think I’m parroting anything to be honest, just surveying the world and making my own judgements.  
 

Immigration is a problem, gender politics is a problem, the demonisation of white males is a problem, the acceptance of entitled people who want for nothing but do nothing is a problem, the size of the state is a problem.  There are so many issues it’s untrue, the U.K. is bankrupt becuase we are unwilling to take the tough decisions required.  The world is broken and it’s largely (but not entirely) down to the idealist, unrealistic socialist woke nonsense. 

👏

[InternationalJambo]

3 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Calling the UK a socialist state might be the weirdest thing I've read on here.

 

I spent the last three weeks in Sweden and have genuinely never felt safer. You need to step outside and stop parroting the pish you read on social media.

Never felt safer when they’ve just had an attack on their people? Leave off it mate. 

[John Findlay]

55 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

I've never said otherwise, but spare me the shite about working to enrich society. If that was true you'd be a communist. You work to enrich yourself.

Don't we all.

Do you work?

If the good guys are jumping to reform.

I'm not sure they are.

Then surely the question to ask is a simple Why?

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

My sense is there are a lot of good people out there - scottish nationalists, labour, tory (ok probably not weirdo greens) - who are a baws hair away from registering a protest vote in favour of Reform next time to get this immigration and border control issue sorted out . It has been a little socially unacceptable to admit that until recently, but thats changing as well. 

The pendulum is swinging that’s for sure. Labour and even the conservatives have no answer for the mess that’s been put upon us. 

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, John Findlay said:

Don't we all.

Do you work?

If the good guys are jumping to reform.

I'm not sure they are.

Then surely the question to ask is a simple Why?

 

Just now, John Findlay said:

Don't we all.

Do you work?

If the good guys are jumping to reform.

I'm not sure they are.

Then surely the question to ask is a simple Why?

It is.

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

My sense is there are a lot of good people out there - scottish nationalists, labour, tory (ok probably not weirdo greens) - who are a baws hair away from registering a protest vote in favour of Reform next time to get this immigration and border control issue sorted out . It has been a little socially unacceptable to admit that until recently, but thats changing as well. 

Genuine question here.

 

Just how are Reform going to 'sort' this immigration and border control?

 

I suppose I'd ask what the issue that needs to be sorted is?

[Dennis Reynolds]

7 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

Never felt safer when they’ve just had an attack on their people? Leave off it mate. 

 

It's a big place, mate.

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m feckin its not right. 

It’s Reform for me. None of the rest are listening at all. 

As much as I understand people are drawn to Reform due to immigration issues, I don't think they're friends of Scotland. Just another wing of rabid Britnats!

[kingantti1874]

5 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

It's a big place, mate.

and the safety point I’ve stated are fact. Unchecked migration, large scale migration of organised criminals has caused enormous issues in Sweden. It’s not debate and it’s not parroting shit of social media.  Stone, cold unchallengeable fact

 

as for the U.K. . Of course it’s socialist, the state is enormous, our welfare bill is unprecedented, our immigration policies are weak, the unions have far too much influence, we are taxed on what we earn, what we buy, what we save and when we die.

 

its socialist by every measure but not socialist enough for some 

Edited February 13, 2025 by kingantti1874

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

Genuine question here.

 

Just how are Reform going to 'sort' this immigration and border control?

 

I suppose I'd ask what the issue that needs to be sorted is?

Question in good faith.
 

Do you think the number of migrants (net) coming into the country is sustainable? 728,000 last year in 2024 expected to be over 1million this year. This will continue to rise. We have no deterrents in place to stop this. It’s costing the tax payer thousands upon thousands annually. It needs to stop. 

[InternationalJambo]

5 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

It's a big place, mate.

So you’re making your point of the country being safe based around a specific location when their country is huge… alrighty. 

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, Roxy Hearts said:

As much as I understand people are drawn to Reform due to immigration issues, I don't think they're friends of Scotland. Just another wing of rabid Britnats!

When you read the reform Ltd manifesto from 2024 and their 5 pledges on immigration absolutely none of them, not a single one, hold any water. 

 

A bit like their fiscal policy. 

 

It doesn't really hold any kind of scrutiny. 

[Dennis Reynolds]

1 minute ago, InternationalJambo said:

So you’re making your point of the country being safe based around a specific location when their country is huge… alrighty. 

 

I mean, you're doing the exact same.....

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

I mean, you're doing the exact same.....

I’d award you the gold in mental gymnastics mate well done 👏 

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

A fair question

 

I want to see a transparent system of skills based immigration. No issues here and welcome people who can sort skills gaps 

 

Of those that do immigrate, i want them to prove over time they are contributing to the economy and integrating in society. 

 

Zero tolerance to illegal immigrants 

Any criminal charges means they're deported.

[Dennis Reynolds]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

and the safety point I’ve stated are fact. Unchecked migration, large scale migration of organised criminals has caused enormous issues in Sweden. It’s not debate and it’s not parroting shit of social media.  Stone, cold unchallengeable fact

 

as for the U.K. . Of course it’s socialist, the state is enormous, our welfare bill is unprecedented, our immigration policies are weak, the unions have far too much influence, we are taxed on what we earn, what we buy, what we save and when we die.

 

its socialist by every measure but not socialist enough for some 

 

It's not a fact. I'm literally here right now and I'm telling you, yer talking pish. 

 

So pray tell, what in the last six months of labour being in charge has changed to make it a socialist? Cause it sure as shit wasn't socialist under the Tories.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, InternationalJambo said:

Question in good faith.
 

Do you think the number of migrants (net) coming into the country is sustainable? 728,000 last year in 2024 expected to be over 1million this year. This will continue to rise. We have no deterrents in place to stop this. It’s costing the tax payer thousands upon thousands annually. It needs to stop. 

 

1.2 million migrants the absolute majority of whom came on visas. 

 

Approx 39,000 or 3% arrived through 'illegal' means. 

 

Which migration are you trying to stop?

 

 

[InternationalJambo]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

 

1.2 million migrants the absolute majority of whom came on visas. 

 

Approx 39,000 or 3% arrived through 'illegal' means. 

 

Which migration are you trying to stop?

 

 

What’s the percentage of that 1.2m that came through on family visas? 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

A fair question

 

I want to see a transparent system of skills based immigration. No issues here and welcome people who can sort skills gaps 

 

Of those that do immigrate, i want them to prove over time they are contributing to the economy and integrating in society. 

 

Zero tolerance to illegal immigrants 

The current and previous government would debate that the current migration system is skills/need based asthey issued over 1m visas last year. 

 

OK so zero tolerance to 3% of those arriving in the UK. 

 

I'd like to see how reform Ltd propose to tackle this in a meaningful way as their manifesto was full of utter nonsense suggestions.