Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[trotter]

18 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Net zero until our infrastructure allows us to

comfortably accommodate more people.  We do not have the houses, schools, hospitals, dentists to accommodate more people. As before we have plenty of economically inactive people who could solve the labour shortage with the correct motivation. 

 

I’ve outlined some suggestions on this thread which would solve this problem in the U.K. in a matter of weeks.  All of which are practical and possible.  

Agree fully. 

Maw and Paw Trotter live in Penicuik, where they are just finishing building the last of several hundred, if not a thousand or more. However, nothing has been done to address the issues that will come with it. All the primary and secondary schools are at capacity, there is no availability at either of the doctor surgeries, the waiting list at the dentist is a mile long (although I grant you that one is pretty much universal), the main road into and out of town was already a nightmare and has only got worse, the fire station is part time and only has one engine, it just goes on and on. 

[trotter]

3 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

The royal family take half a billion off the tax payer and we're a socialist state?

 

Is it not often stated that whilst they do, they bring several times that back to UK plc in others ways? Or is that just made up bollocks?

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

Couldn't tell you, I'm disagreeing with the ridiculous assertion that the UK's a socialist state from someone who hasn't got the first clue what socialism is.

To be fair, it looks like the books of previous socialist countries 😂

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

1 minute ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

The word he's looking for is capitalist. It's ****ing mental eh?

Thicker than a turd stuck in the neck of a bottle.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

In other words. What youve got i want and i cant be arsed to put the legwork in to get it. 

Yep . 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

Just now, trotter said:

Is it not often stated that whilst they do, they bring several times that back to UK plc in others ways? Or is that just made up bollocks?

The pandas used to bring in more tourists than those leaches.

[kingantti1874]

16 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

It's you, you haven't a clue what socialism is!

 

socialism

/sō′shə-lĭz″əm/

 

noun

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

 

The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

 

A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme. See communism, Fourierism, saint-simonianism, forms of socialism.

Thanks for googling it.  And we tick many of those boxes 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 minutes ago, trotter said:

Is it not often stated that whilst they do, they bring several times that back to UK plc in others ways? Or is that just made up bollocks?

 

Do they? Or would we still get those tourists if they were hounded out? The Palace of Versailles doesn't need royalty to get 10m visitors a year.

Do the crown estates need the royal family to function?

 

So yeah, made up bollocks.

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Thanks for googling it.  And we tick many of those boxes 

 

We tick exactly none of those boxes FFS 😆

[the posh bit]

17 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Socialism. - drag everyone to the same level as yourself 

 

in other words , what you’ve got I want 

 

Didn't you vote for Jeremy Corbyn in 2019???

[kingantti1874]

8 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

The royal family take half a billion off the tax payer and we're a socialist state?

 

Tax what we earn, tax what we buy, tax what we save and taxed when we die.  All to prop up the state which is far too large, people with no right to be here and people who feel entitled to be kept.  Socialist, woke, liberal  legal and political boxes ticked all over the places. Country is a total and utter mess with 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

Just now, kingantti1874 said:

Tax what we earn, tax what we buy, tax what we save and taxed when we die.  All to prop up the state which is far too large, people with no right to be here and people who feel entitled to be kept.  Socialist, woke, liberal  legal and political boxes ticked all over the places. Country is a total and utter mess with 

Double down, eh? What a slaver.

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

Just now, Lord Montpelier said:

Whats your upper limit on immigration per year. 1m, 5m, 10m ? Do you believe we should have a limit ? If you do, what should it be ? 

I don't that's the problem. The royal family are. Get rid of them and we could save billions a year. The half a billion is just what we're allowed to know about. Their security costs are a secret. That money could be put back into employing people to process the refugees.

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Double down, eh? What a slaver.

 

Ah. The gif - you know you’ve won when someone replies with a moronic gif. You can’t challenge a single statement I made in that post.  
 

Key features of socialism include:

 

- **Public Ownership**: The state or community owns key industries and resources, such as transportation, healthcare ✅ , and education ✅ , to ensure that everyone has access to essential services. ✅ 

- **Economic Planning**: The government often plays a significant role in planning and regulating the economy to achieve specific social and economic goals. ✅ 

- **Wealth Redistribution**: Policies aim to reduce income inequality through progressive(UNFAIR) taxation ✅ , social welfare programs ✅ , and other measures to support the less fortunate(LAZY WORKSHY). ✅ ✅ ✅ 

 

Socialist state.  End of 

[JFK-1]

I think I sometimes drift towards the Billy Connolly view of politicians including the comment "don't vote it only encourages them"

 

I have watched a lot of Connolly and he has himself confessed that during the act he would sometimes find himself going off on unplanned tangents which take him away from his intended story/punch line, then he has to find a way to work it back. I think this short clip looks like him in one of these tangents trying to find a way back.

 

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

1 minute ago, Lord Montpelier said:

So you agree we should be tightening our border controls ? 

No.

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

Ah. The gif - you know you’ve won when someone replies with a moronic gif. You can’t challenge a single statement I made in that post.  
 

Key features of socialism include:

 

- **Public Ownership**: The state or community owns key industries and resources, such as transportation, healthcare ✅ , and education ✅ , to ensure that everyone has access to essential services. ✅ 

- **Economic Planning**: The government often plays a significant role in planning and regulating the economy to achieve specific social and economic goals. ✅ 

- **Wealth Redistribution**: Policies aim to reduce income inequality through progressive(UNFAIR) taxation ✅ , social welfare programs ✅ , and other measures to support the less fortunate(LAZY WORKSHY). ✅ ✅ ✅ 

 

Socialist state.  End of 

 

Where tf are you getting that from??

 

This is a capitalist state, it's undeniable.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

Ah. The gif - you know you’ve won when someone replies with a moronic gif. You can’t challenge a single statement I made in that post.  
 

Key features of socialism include:

 

- **Public Ownership**: The state or community owns key industries and resources, such as transportation, healthcare ✅ , and education ✅ , to ensure that everyone has access to essential services. ✅ 

- **Economic Planning**: The government often plays a significant role in planning and regulating the economy to achieve specific social and economic goals. ✅ 

- **Wealth Redistribution**: Policies aim to reduce income inequality through progressive(UNFAIR) taxation ✅ , social welfare programs ✅ , and other measures to support the less fortunate(LAZY WORKSHY). ✅ ✅ ✅ 

 

Socialist state.  End of 

Turds in bottle necks, eh?

 

[kingantti1874]

Just now, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

Where tf are you getting that from??

 

This is a capitalist state, it's undeniable.

See there’s the problem. You and JJ don’t even know the definition of capitalism. You’ve no idea what you’re even looking at .  Socialist state, but maybe not socialist enough for you 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

14 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Tax what we earn, tax what we buy, tax what we save and taxed when we die.  

 

That's capitalism for you 🤷‍♂️

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

Just now, kingantti1874 said:

See there’s the problem. You and JJ don’t even know the definition of capitalism. You’ve no idea what you’re even looking at .  Socialist state, but maybe not socialist enough for you 

 

Mate I'll take no lessons from the clueless

[JudyJudyJudy]

19 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

A fair summary for 95% of your posts

99% 

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Turds in bottle necks, eh?

 

Still not made a single point or been able to challenge a single argument. Other than that is make some absolute nonsense point about the royal family.  Which only demonstrated you don’t have a single clue what your on about.  Like debating with a 10 year old child. 

[kingantti1874]

3 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

That's capitalism for you 🤷‍♂️

🤣 there’s no relationship between capitalism and high taxation. The is a relationship between socialism and the size of the state. And the state here is enormous 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

🤣 there’s no relationship between capitalism and high taxation. The is a relationship between socialism and the size of the state. And the state here is enormous 

 

****ing clueless 😆

[kingantti1874]

5 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

Mate I'll take no lessons from the clueless

I’ve never suggest I wanted to teach you anything.  But those ticks are undeniable attributes of a socialism whether you want to admit it or not.  I’m not really that bothered. 

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

 

****ing clueless 😆

embarrassing yourself.  Again you’ve simply got no idea what your are talking about.  There is no direct relationship between high taxes and capitalism. Taxes are driven by policy not ideology. We are taxed highly in the U.K. to pay for public services. 

[the posh bit]

27 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Tax what we earn, tax what we buy, tax what we save and taxed when we die.  All to prop up the state which is far too large, people with no right to be here and people who feel entitled to be kept.  Socialist, woke, liberal  legal and political boxes ticked all over the places. Country is a total and utter mess with 

 

You're off your rocker. You are so far from where the real problems are in this country that it's laughable. However, it's no joke. It's folk like you that helped the country get so bad. There are too you many people like you and not enough normal, sensible folk. Please leave. 

[Ulysses]

And there we have it.  The question in the thread title has been answered with a resounding "yep, there sure ****ing is" in the last few pages.   

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 hours ago, Ulysses said:

And there we have it.  The question in the thread title has been answered with a resounding "yep, there sure ****ing is" in the last few pages.   

 

It's been an education! Of sorts...

[The Mighty Thor]

7 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

embarrassing yourself.  Again you’ve simply got no idea what your are talking about.  There is no direct relationship between high taxes and capitalism. Taxes are driven by policy not ideology. We are taxed highly in the U.K. to pay for public services. 

And yet these public services or 'infrastructure' are falling apart. 

 

Perhaps this free market economy thing isn't working?

[The Mighty Thor]

4 hours ago, Ulysses said:

And there we have it.  The question in the thread title has been answered with a resounding "yep, there sure ****ing is" in the last few pages.   

Listen here you Johnny foreigner type, when Farage and Reform Ltd get in you'll not be coming here scrounging off our public services in your penthouse suite in the hostel in Preston. 

 

Take that you bounder.

[The Mighty Thor]

9 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Whats your upper limit on immigration per year. 1m, 5m, 10m ? Do you believe we should have a limit ? If you do, what should it be ? 

 

Which 'immigration' do you mean?

 

Do you mean the migrants that have successfully applied to be in the UK and meet the entrance criteria (the 97%) or do you mean the 'illegal' migrants that have no means of applying for asylum in the UK? (the 3%)

 

I think its a much bigger question than people realise. Its a question of a workforce deficit (and a rapidly shrinking workforce) and then of course there's the fiscal necessity of having more tax payers to fund Government policy. 

 

I think you need to determine which immigration it is that you have the problem with and then focus on that and accept the impact that will have on an already shrinking economy, mainly thanks to the last big policy Herr Farage sold to the masses. 

 

Again i've not seen a single manifesto or policy pledge from Reform Ltd that either acknowledges either of these issues, let alone offers solutions. 

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

9 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said:

If this is true we are leaking money out . This should be invested back into the UK. 

 

According to available data, immigrants in the UK send an estimated £20 billion per year back to their home countries in the form of remittances, with the exact figure fluctuating based on economic conditions and migration patterns; however, this number is not readily available as a single, definitive statistic due to the complexity of tracking international money transfers. 

Key points to consider:

Remittances:

This term refers to the money sent by migrants to their families in their home countries. 

Top recipient countries:

India, Pakistan, Philippines, and Nigeria are often listed as the top recipients of remittances from the UK. 

What are you getting at here?

 

That migrants who have applied to be here legally and are 'contributing' to the UK by working and paying their taxes (on top of the other levvies they pay just to be here) shouldn't be allowed to send their disposable income anywhere they chose?

 

I must have that wrong?

[XB52]

There are actual real, living, human beings that are saying the UK is a socialist state???? Total madness as the labour party lurch further and further to the right, trying to catch up with the tories, while they try and catch up with reform.

[Gundermann]

11 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Im sympathetic to the view on the royal family . But only a walloper would make the link between dissolving them and solving the immigration problem. 

 

This guy is spot-on about 'illegal immigration'.

 

https://bsky.app/profile/zoejardiniere.bsky.social/post/3li4qj67pfs2l

[jack D and coke]

20 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

This guy is spot-on about 'illegal immigration'.

 

https://bsky.app/profile/zoejardiniere.bsky.social/post/3li4qj67pfs2l

Its the likes of him that loads of people are getting fed up listening to.

 

[Gundermann]

4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Its the likes of him that loads of people are getting fed up listening to.

 

 

Really? I can't think of the last time I heard a working-class northern English accent say that immigrants are not the cause of our problems.

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Really? I can't think of the last time I heard a working-class northern English accent say that immigrants are not the cause of our problems.

Are you in the North of England?

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Really? I can't think of the last time I heard a working-class northern English accent say that immigrants are not the cause of our problems.

Dont assume hes working class. He might not be or identify as one. 

[Gundermann]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

Are you in the North of England?

 

No but I have access to this interweb and television. Last year's riots are still fresh in the memory too.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Gundermann said:

 

No but I have access to this interweb and television. Last year's riots are still fresh in the memory too.

🤣🤣🤣 Come on to **** man, that's probably the most ignorant post you've made 🤣🤣🤣

[Gundermann]

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

🤣🤣🤣 Come on to **** man, that's probably the most ignorant post you've made 🤣🤣🤣

 

Ok, yeah, I meant internet.

 

Otherwise, how many such accents saying these things are heard on the BBC or other main media/ news platforms? Mick Lynch was a breath of fresh air but he's disappeared these days. Compare that to the amount of appearances Farage has had on BBCQT despite being unelected for most of that time?

[jack D and coke]

5 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Really? I can't think of the last time I heard a working-class northern English accent say that immigrants are not the cause of our problems.

You hear it all the time. These lefty twats can have any accent. 

[Gundermann]

1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

You hear it all the time. These lefty twats can have any accent. 

 

Poor you.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, Gundermann said:

 

Ok, yeah, I meant internet.

 

Otherwise, how many such accents saying these things are heard on the BBC or other main media/ news platforms? Mick Lynch was a breath of fresh air but he's disappeared these days. Compare that to the amount of appearances Farage has had on BBCQT despite being unelected for most of that time?

The BBC🤣🤣

Come on, I live in the North of England, I don't rely on the ****ing BBC never mind Sky or any other news outlets to sway what I hear when mixing with other "working class" people, you shouldn't either.

Are there racists in the North of England? Yes, but don't tar them all with the same brush.

I honestly thought you were much better than that.

[jack D and coke]

41 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Poor you.

I’m not some snp drone like you. 
Im opening my eyes to what these politicians are doing to the place. 
 

[The Mighty Thor]

12 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Im opening my eyes to what these politicians are doing to the place. 
 

And that's the nub of it Jack.

 

What these politicians are doing to the place. 

 

That's the same politicians that took us out of Europe, because it was the root of all our problems and if we only leave it will make the UK the best country in the universe. Farage was front and centre in that. How's that going?

 

That's the same politicians that took back control of our borders because that was the root of all our problems and if we could only do that it will make the UK the best country in the universe. Farage was front and centre in that too. How's that going?

 

That's the same politicians that want to take us out of the ECHR because it is the root of all our problems and if we could only leave that it will make the UK the best country in the universe. Farage is front and centre in that too. How's that going to go?

 

I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest migrants aren't the problem? 

[XB52]

27 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m not some snp drone like you. 
Im opening my eyes to what these politicians are doing to the place. 
 

So you've jumped from Alba to Reform🤪🤪. Actually it's not much of a jump

[Cade]