hughesie27 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just watched question time. That guy at the very end who's argument against a Labour Gov because "who's to say we won't wnd up going through this same thing 2 weeks after they gain power". There are just no words to describe the thought process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I've not been following this pensions chat but before identifying the exact parameters of how the means are tested, is there actually anything inherently wrong with deciding a level of state pension using a means tested approach? Pensions are effectively just an old age universal form of benefits anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, hughesie27 said: I've not been following this pensions chat but before identifying the exact parameters of how the means are tested, is there actually anything inherently wrong with deciding a level of state pension using a means tested approach? Pensions are effectively just an old age universal form of benefits anyway. It's all bollocks - the clown who's tweeting it has been called out on it & refused to give a source for pretty much of any his ravings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Stuzi @Stuzipants Everybody needs to watch this clip of Camilla Cavendish describing how Tortoise Media have registered a tortoise, an American, and a Ukrainian, none of which exist, to be eligible to vote in the Tory leadership contest as Conservative members. General Election please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Just watched question time. That guy at the very end who's argument against a Labour Gov because "who's to say we won't wnd up going through this same thing 2 weeks after they gain power". There are just no words to describe the thought process. Delusion and whataboutery cos there's nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, periodictabledancer said: It's all bollocks - the clown who's tweeting it has been called out on it & refused to give a source for pretty much of any his ravings. Sure, but even if it was true, without looking at specific rule sets for defining who gets what, would folk actually be against means testing state pensions? It does seem like quite an SNP thing to do. Ensure fair wealth distribution to reduce inequality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Sure, but even if it was true, without looking at specific rule sets for defining who gets what, would folk actually be against means testing state pensions? It does seem like quite an SNP thing to do. Ensure fair wealth distribution to reduce inequality. 100% against it. They've got enough problems getting old people to vote for their latest paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: 100% against it. They've got enough problems getting old people to vote for their latest paper. Oh I doubt it would be part of their Indy campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Sure, but even if it was true, without looking at specific rule sets for defining who gets what, would folk actually be against means testing state pensions? It does seem like quite an SNP thing to do. Ensure fair wealth distribution to reduce inequality. Eh? It’s the opposite of many of their policies, like prescriptions for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, hughesie27 said: Oh I doubt it would be part of their Indy campaign. The conversation is about the SNP's recent Indyref3 document and the false claims made about it on here. I'm bowing out now as there's already another thread for this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, briever said: Eh? It’s the opposite of many of their policies, like prescriptions for example. I dont think free prescriptions and ensuring the poorest in our society get a pension bump are that different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: The conversation is about the SNP's recent Indyref3 document and the false claims made about it on here. I'm bowing out now as there's already another thread for this stuff. Indy ref 3? Have I missed the 2nd one like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Indy ref 3? Have I missed the 2nd one like? Did wonder myself. Unless he means the 1979 home rule thing was the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, jack D and coke said: Did wonder myself. Unless he means the 1979 home rule thing was the first. Was79 not the first devolution referendum? Think the majority voted for it but the shitehawks had some rule in place about the percentage figure or the turn out or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said: Was79 not the first devolution referendum? Think the majority voted for it but the shitehawks had some rule in place about the percentage figure or the turn out or something. Aye labour moved the goalposts after the event saying not a big enough turnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 43 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: It's all bollocks - the clown who's tweeting it has been called out on it & refused to give a source for pretty much of any his ravings. Correct the “Building a New Scotland” paper makes no claims of the sort with regard to pensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 What an utter cretin that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, indianajones said: If Boris gets back in the entire thing has been a PR stunt to solidify him as the leader. Refuse to believe anything else about the entire shitshow. This is the British Establishment and everything is a stunt! It's a sham democracy and all it does is serve the political elite. Fools follow fools and Britain is full of them. Only Scots with low self esteem support Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: This is the British Establishment and everything is a stunt! It's a sham democracy and all it does is serve the political elite. Fools follow fools and Britain is full of them. Only Scots with low self esteem support Westminster. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jack D and coke Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: I’ll be emigrating as soon as I retire and can afford it. This place is a shambles and I now believe SNP are looking at means tested state pensions ffs. Get me out of here . Shameful I now believe the BBC's going to be showing filth 24/7 to boost figures and raise the price for privatisation. It's not what was said, it's what wasn't said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unknown user Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: I saw this earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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periodictabledancer Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 he Nine @BBCScotNine #TheNine invited every Scottish Conservative MP to appear on the programme tonight, but nobody was available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: Ok let’s see You do know you have to win a general election to put thro your manifesto. Indyref isn't an election for a neverending SNP government of Scotland, it's a referendum on Scottish independence, where post independence, there'll be an election, and if (and that's a big IF) the SNP are still around, they would have to win it with your bullshit made up policy in it. But it's good you finally see it will happen and yes will win. Tick Tock!!! Oh and the SNP have nothing to do with what the Tory is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: Was79 not the first devolution referendum? Think the majority voted for it but the shitehawks had some rule in place about the percentage figure or the turn out or something. Correct. The labour party put in a clause(which EUref wouldn't have met either) Reneged on devolution, lost the backing of the SNP, which cause their minority government to collapse, allowing Thatcher to take power. Then we had 25 years of labour labelling the SNP tartan Tories (Which Scottish people believe/d). When infact Labour fecked Scotland over. All about the Oil. Ask Dennis Healey. Edited October 21, 2022 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Tories forgetting why Boris finally had to go. That will be repeated and repeated and repeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 7 hours ago, jack D and coke said: What an utter cretin that is Doogz! He actually embarrasses the other uncle tams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Doogz! He actually embarrasses the other uncle tams. He’s brutal, time for Ruth to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 41 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Doogz! He actually embarrasses the other uncle tams. Rumour is, David Cameron has the hots for pig face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, jonesy said: The louder yes supporters, and the mods on this board, still superchill on the racist terminology lazily employed in the debate, it seems. Braw Only Tories are racist Jonesy. Separatists are all welcoming tolerant types. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 8 hours ago, jack D and coke said: What an utter cretin that is The sort of strong character Scottish fitba needs 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, jonesy said: The louder yes supporters, and the mods on this board, still superchill on the racist terminology lazily employed in the debate, it seems. Braw Scottish folk talking about Scottish folk is racist, in what way?. Blacks calling fellow blacks uncle Toms because of what they did on behalf of the whites isn't racist. But you keep trying to blur the lines if it makes Hoose Jocks feel better, Braw! Terminology is not owned, but HJs and UTs are. 👍 There's a good boy Edited October 21, 2022 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, Dazo said: Only Tories are racist Jonesy. Separatists are all welcoming tolerant types. 😊 Aw, Hoosejock Uncle Tamson wean calling Scottish people separatists. There's a good boy. Talk about Uncle Tams. Where's Hoose Jock number one. Baroness Ruth the Mooth. A real power of the we are the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 9 hours ago, hughesie27 said: I dont think free prescriptions and ensuring the poorest in our society get a pension bump are that different. They are applied in an opposite way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Aw, Hoosejock Uncle Tamson wean calling Scottish people separatists. There's a good boy. Talk about Uncle Tams. Where's Hoose Jock number one. Baroness Ruth the Mooth. A real power of the we are the people. I’m glad you have an avenue to let all your anger out Ri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Just now, Dazo said: I’m glad you have an avenue to let all your anger out Ri. You seem upset, Dazo. Cheer up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 52 minutes ago, jonesy said: The louder yes supporters, and the mods on this board, still superchill on the racist terminology lazily employed in the debate, it seems. Braw You think because something coined by a black person about another black person means it’s racist if a white person uses it about a white person? Have I got that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'll vote for indy because it's better than the Westminster shambles. But, thanks to the McGammons like yerself, don't hold out high hopes for it being that much better. Mcgammons? MODS MODS MODS Jonesy is being racist again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, ri Alban said: You seem upset, Dazo. Cheer up. 😂 On a Friday ? No chance buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Funny how they only get offended when it's about them. Not a peep fae Jones when Mel, or other kilt wearers are posted to try to ridicule. Funny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, briever said: They are applied in an opposite way. They aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 If HJ and UT is racist, Brigadoon,Jock, Scotchman and other terms and use of Braveheart etc... Will be under the same list. So jonesy be careful where you want to drag it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 And what a wee snidey grass you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: They aren't. If one isn’t means tested but the other is then they would be applied in an opposite way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 9 hours ago, briever said: Eh? It’s the opposite of many of their policies, like prescriptions for example. 6 minutes ago, briever said: If one isn’t means tested but the other is then they would be applied in an opposite way. I read your original post as though you were suggesting that it was opposite, in a political sense, to their policies. As in a Left v Right approach. I dont think a political party having some policies/benefits means tested and other not as a stumbling block. My main point doesn't really care about specific parties anyway. It was sa general question about the idea of means tested pensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, briever said: Mcgammons? MODS MODS MODS Jonesy is being racist again. Jocksey kidding on he voted yes and will vote yes again Manalive says "Haud ma beer, that's my routine" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, ri Alban said: If HJ and UT is racist, Brigadoon,Jock, Scotchman and other terms and use of Braveheart etc... Will be under the same list. So jonesy be careful where you want to drag it. Fair comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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