The Real Maroonblood Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just now, Ked said: As greedy as they are that won't cover the new uniforms they were greeting about not getting on the other thread. You're probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 So 1 to 3 billion . Could add another 60 pounds tax to every household a year? Slash the NHS budget? Cut the help being offered for rising energy bills? If you all support their wage claim please at least say where the extra billion or 3 should come from. And I say 1 billion that's if you pit in the 100 million to shareholders and the 400 million reinvestment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 17 hours ago, IronJambo said: Didn't take you long. I'm pretty sure people will find a way to get to work. There are things called cars and buses. Maybe they’ll just stay in their cars and buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 hour ago, theshed said: Must have picked him up wrong as no train driver in the uk is under 50k anywhere Might be 20k + for a railway worker but that could be someone who works on ticket barriers ect but deffo not driving trains on that wage Could've been that 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 HOW DARE YOU GET A PAY RISE YOU UNGRATEFUL FECKERS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE NATION IS A RACE TO THE BOTTOM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 I'm seeing a lot of mention of train drivers wages. This is an RMT strike on national rail, they don't represent many drivers. ASLEF have been waiting back whilst RMT do the dirty work and have only just sent ballot papers out. The staff balloted average something like a £24k salary. That's quoting Eddie Dempsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just now, IronJambo said: I'm seeing a lot of mention of train drivers wages. This is an RMT strike on national rail, they don't represent many drivers. ASLEF have been waiting back whilst RMT do the dirty work and have only just sent ballot papers out. The staff balloted average something like a £24k salary. That's quoting Eddie Dempsey. Nae wonder they're struggling to keep up with the cost of living FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 56 minutes ago, FWJ said: Maybe they’ll just stay in their cars and buses. Mibbes mate. Mibbes they'll all stay working from home like they didn't last time. Mibbes people just won't go anywhere ever again. In all honesty, the railway was previously overcrowded with everyone trying to get to the same places at the same time. It needed addressing. It's fast becoming the same way again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, ri Alban said: Someone told me yesterday, that it's 8 quid a pint in London. Is that true. pub nearby does a pint and pizza for 12 quid. think a punk IPA is around the 8 quid mark, stella I think is 6 quid. noticed a huge difference in prices when I was up for the final. Hence the need for a perfectdraft in the flat!! Edited June 8, 2022 by Japan Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 9 hours ago, Ked said: So 1 to 3 billion . Could add another 60 pounds tax to every household a year? Slash the NHS budget? Cut the help being offered for rising energy bills? If you all support their wage claim please at least say where the extra billion or 3 should come from. And I say 1 billion that's if you pit in the 100 million to shareholders and the 400 million reinvestment. We don't have to pay for track and trace this year so there's a few billion not being shuffled into some tory ***** pocket. There's always cash until its the workers who want a payrise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: We don't have to pay for track and trace this year so there's a few billion not being shuffled into some tory ***** pocket. There's always cash until its the workers who want a payrise. Interesting take on it. Last I checked the rail network isn't nationalised. Why don't we all strike for more money and pay for it with ehhh our own money. Equating a corrupt government with this dispute might suit your view of my argument . It's just not relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ked said: Interesting take on it. Last I checked the rail network isn't nationalised. Why don't we all strike for more money and pay for it with ehhh our own money. Equating a corrupt government with this dispute might suit your view of my argument . It's just not relevant. 3 minutes ago, Ked said: Interesting take on it. Last I checked the rail network isn't nationalised. Why don't we all strike for more money and pay for it with ehh our own money. Equating a corrupt government with this dispute might suit your view of my argument . It's just not relevant. Network rail is publicly owned. You are asking if they want the NHS budget slashed or every household to be taxed to pay for the payrise. I'm pointing out there's plenty of cash when it's needed for anything other than paying the workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Network rail is publicly owned. You are asking if they want the NHS budget slashed or every household to be taxed to pay for the payrise. I'm pointing out there's plenty of cash when it's needed for anything other than paying the workers. Define the term workers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Define the term workers? Pretty self explanatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Ked is an angry wee man I’m guessing he is a disgruntled ex railway employee who got emptied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Ked said: Interesting take on it. Last I checked the rail network isn't nationalised. Why don't we all strike for more money and pay for it with ehhh our own money. Equating a corrupt government with this dispute might suit your view of my argument . It's just not relevant. Last time I checked, it is in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 5 hours ago, 1874robbo said: Ked is an angry wee man I’m guessing he is a disgruntled ex railway employee who got emptied. Wrong on both . 6 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: Network rail is publicly owned. You are asking if they want the NHS budget slashed or every household to be taxed to pay for the payrise. I'm pointing out there's plenty of cash when it's needed for anything other than paying the workers. Plenty of cash if borrowed. 45 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Last time I checked, it is in Scotland. Yes that's correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Ked said: Interesting take on it. Last I checked the rail network isn't nationalised. Why don't we all strike for more money and pay for it with ehhh our own money. Equating a corrupt government with this dispute might suit your view of my argument . It's just not relevant. It kind of is on a technicality. The government pays the expenses and the tocs to run the lines. The government then collects all the ticket money. It's not the first thing you've got wrong. All rail staff on £28k+ aye 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Anyone who supports big corporate or Governments in worker disputes have clearly never had to live on the breadline or have to scrimp and save for everything they have ever had. Imagine begrudging your fellow man a decent fecking pay rise from greedy ***** who most likely don’t want to give them it because it threatens their million pound bonuses. 😂 Arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, IronJambo said: It kind of is on a technicality. The government pays the expenses and the tocs to run the lines. The government then collects all the ticket money. It's not the first thing you've got wrong. All rail staff on £28k+ aye 🤣🤣🤣 Happy to be corrected mate. I'm wrong quite a lot. There's no doubt the trains in the UK are not as good as they can be. That's no fault of the workforce. However your union leadership includes communists ,Russian sympathisers,anti semitic Pro Ira . They imo don't serve the workforce nor the industry well. And yes rail infrastructure needs investing in and no I don't expect people to live on a shit wage but resisting much needed change which includes unfortunately staff reduction has to happen. Happy to be corrected at anytime as I'm all to aware of my limited knowledge on......well just about everything. 😄👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Anyone who supports big corporate or Governments in worker disputes have clearly never had to live on the breadline or have to scrimp and save for everything they have ever had. Imagine begrudging your fellow man a decent fecking pay rise from greedy ***** who most likely don’t want to give them it because it threatens their million pound bonuses. 😂 Arseholes. Well that's a load of pish. Don't begrudge anyone anything and every penny I've not got I've worked for. I am sick of how much tax I pay though its obscene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Anyone who supports big corporate or Governments in worker disputes have clearly never had to live on the breadline or have to scrimp and save for everything they have ever had. Imagine begrudging your fellow man a decent fecking pay rise from greedy ***** who most likely don’t want to give them it because it threatens their million pound bonuses. 😂 Arseholes. Fair comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, Ked said: Happy to be corrected mate. I'm wrong quite a lot. There's no doubt the trains in the UK are not as good as they can be. That's no fault of the workforce. However your union leadership includes communists ,Russian sympathisers,anti semitic Pro Ira . They imo don't serve the workforce nor the industry well. And yes rail infrastructure needs investing in and no I don't expect people to live on a shit wage but resisting much needed change which includes unfortunately staff reduction has to happen. Happy to be corrected at anytime as I'm all to aware of my limited knowledge on......well just about everything. 😄👍 Glad you cleared up your views on union leadership. Let’s people see where you’re really coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 19 hours ago, FWJ said: Maybe they’ll just stay in their cars and buses. And if the reduced timetables/strikes go on long enough people will get out the habit of using the trains, less passengers long term will mean that the timetables will reduce permanently so while rails workers will get an extra couple of % on their basic, the overtime they have become accustomed to will not be there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Ked said: Well that's a load of pish. Don't begrudge anyone anything and every penny I've not got I've worked for. I am sick of how much tax I pay though its obscene. Well if you pay that much tax you must be making a fair wedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, Ribble said: And if the reduced timetables/strikes go on long enough people will get out the habit of using the trains, less passengers long term will mean that the timetables will reduce permanently so while rails workers will get an extra couple of % on their basic, the overtime they have become accustomed to will not be there Just like they got used to not using them the last 1 and a half years when they were told to refrain from using them if they could. take it youve not been on the trains recently. they are bursting at the seams. id say definitely back up with pre pandemic levels imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Boab said: Glad you cleared up your views on union leadership. Let’s people see where you’re really coming from. And where is that? Not wanting some jumped up thieving communist on a 100 grand a year spouting shit about Jews and terrorists? Aye ye can see me coming round the corner then. 10 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: Well if you pay that much tax you must be making a fair wedge. I paid 40% last year. I worked most days and long shifts. I have people who rely on me who have fell on hard times. I resent it. I'm happy to pay a qtr of what I earn . I'm happy to live in a society where those with broader shoulders pull a bit more weight. What grinds my gears is those who think the world owes them a life. Taxing me on every fekin turn might be alright in your entitled view but I'd like to keep at least 75% of it. If that's OK with you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: they are bursting at the seams. id say definitely back up with pre pandemic levels imo. Nope, down by about 20-25%. You must be using popular train. People will find other ways to travel or wfh and therefore reduction in use will continue. End result, less trains required therefore lessons required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ked said: And where is that? Not wanting some jumped up thieving communist on a 100 grand a year spouting shit about Jews and terrorists? Aye ye can see me coming round the corner then. I paid 40% last year. I worked most days and long shifts. I have people who rely on me who have fell on hard times. I resent it. I'm happy to pay a qtr of what I earn . I'm happy to live in a society where those with broader shoulders pull a bit more weight. What grinds my gears is those who think the world owes them a life. Taxing me on every fekin turn might be alright in your entitled view but I'd like to keep at least 75% of it. If that's OK with you . I’d like to read it if you’ve got a link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 11 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: Pretty self explanatory. Is it? Not nowadays, so indulge and enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 49 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: Just like they got used to not using them the last 1 and a half years when they were told to refrain from using them if they could. take it youve not been on the trains recently. they are bursting at the seams. id say definitely back up with pre pandemic levels imo. As someone who is now in their 17th year in the rail industry, I can assure you they are not bursting at the seams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, John Findlay said: As someone who is now in their 17th year in the rail industry, I can assure you they are not bursting at the seams. John quick question we are going to Coventry and our return journey is on the 21st so a bit of a bummer we are going to come back a day early can we still use our tickets. Cross Country trains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, John Findlay said: Is it? Not nowadays, so indulge and enlighten me. People like the cleaner's,guards,gateline,network rail guys,fittersetc. I would've said dispatchers but not so sure🙃 There's managers picking up huge payrises and shareholders getting big dividends,they can afford to look after the staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Ked said: And where is that? Not wanting some jumped up thieving communist on a 100 grand a year spouting shit about Jews and terrorists? Aye ye can see me coming round the corner then. I paid 40% last year. I worked most days and long shifts. I have people who rely on me who have fell on hard times. I resent it. I'm happy to pay a qtr of what I earn . I'm happy to live in a society where those with broader shoulders pull a bit more weight. What grinds my gears is those who think the world owes them a life. Taxing me on every fekin turn might be alright in your entitled view but I'd like to keep at least 75% of it. If that's OK with you . I pay 41% pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: John quick question we are going to Coventry and our return journey is on the 21st so a bit of a bummer we are going to come back a day early can we still use our tickets. Cross Country trains I’m assuming you’re on the family and friends tickets? if so yeh they’ll be fine mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: I’m assuming you’re on the family and friends tickets? if so yeh they’ll be fine mate. Cheers Baz will we be able to reserve seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Just now, **** the SPFL said: Cheers Baz will we be able to reserve seats No sure ray, give al a shout and see if he can sort something out for you. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Just now, 1874robbo said: No sure ray, give al a shout and see if he can sort something out for you. 👍 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Ked said: Happy to be corrected mate. I'm wrong quite a lot. There's no doubt the trains in the UK are not as good as they can be. That's no fault of the workforce. However your union leadership includes communists ,Russian sympathisers,anti semitic Pro Ira . They imo don't serve the workforce nor the industry well. And yes rail infrastructure needs investing in and no I don't expect people to live on a shit wage but resisting much needed change which includes unfortunately staff reduction has to happen. Happy to be corrected at anytime as I'm all to aware of my limited knowledge on......well just about everything. 😄👍 Complete nonsense. Just more pish that's off topic and nothing to do with what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, **** the SPFL said: John quick question we are going to Coventry and our return journey is on the 21st so a bit of a bummer we are going to come back a day early can we still use our tickets. Cross Country trains As Baz said Ray. Regards booking seats. I would do it direct on Crosscountry's own website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, fabienleclerq said: People like the cleaner's,guards,gateline,network rail guys,fittersetc. I would've said dispatchers but not so sure🙃 There's managers picking up huge payrises and shareholders getting big dividends,they can afford to look after the staff. Not the drivers then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, John Findlay said: As Baz said Ray. Regards booking seats. I would do it direct on Crosscountry's own website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Not the drivers then? Absolutely the drivers, is that what you were looking for? The drivers deserve a payrise like everyone else but to me it's the lower paid ones who need it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 ASLEF union accepts a 5% pay rise for ScotRail drivers. Members to be balloted next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Cade said: ASLEF union accepts a 5% pay rise for ScotRail drivers. Members to be balloted next week. Will RMT agree to the same rise (presuming it is offered) or agitate for more? Big decision to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Will RMT agree to the same rise (presuming it is offered) or agitate for more? Big decision to be made. Totally different dispute. The drivers 5% is for Scotrail only but this thread is network rail and rmt.. this is uk wide and they haven’t been offered anything at the moment i don’t think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Will RMT agree to the same rise (presuming it is offered) or agitate for more? Big decision to be made. Nope,rejected without giving members a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, benny said: Nope,rejected without giving members a vote. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Will RMT agree to the same rise (presuming it is offered) or agitate for more? Big decision to be made. Need to check with Moscow first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 8 hours ago, Ked said: Need to check with Moscow first Still waiting on that link if you have it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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