Fitzroy Pointon Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 The West is selling small arms, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to Ukraine. We are also selling them old reserve equipment, but only things that the Ukrainians can use right away. No tip top tanks are going to Ukraine. Nor are any advanced aircraft. This is just whatever we can spare that they can use without any additional training being needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Herbert said: How many NATO Countries have MIGS sitting in storage? Maybe sending some AA and long range artillery along with more anti tank weapons would help more than planes. Right now it's a defensive war for the Ukraine and offensive weapons are not really useful. The former Eastern Bloc Countries now in NATO still have a few old MiGs left over from the Commy Era. Including Poland. The Ukrainians could use them to deal with the convoy en route to Kiyiv, although it's been breaking down a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: I’ve been in one……..the ones with the cup holders come in at the top end……unfortunately the British army decided against this vital piece of equipment. I believe you...As long as the MoD/BA opted for our LD to be fitted, can't say much more "Old Chap" or I'll have to kill you. Edited March 1, 2022 by OBE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, GBJambo said: Yep fair play for him being out there Where? In Poland? Yes how brave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Where? In Poland? Yes how brave. Yip, he's the PM. He has guys with shooters on them when he goes to Aldi ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: Don't tell 'em Pike !! Putin's budy with a war map of Ukraine ? Moldova? Whats the excuse going to be for Moldova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 43 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: You started that post by saying “we should be”….suggesting present and not past……you then mentioned “should have” which is of course correct……way to late now to supply high end equipment that also requires high end training. Training is a key point. No point supplying a top of the range fighter jet if Ukraine doesn't have any pilots trained to fly it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Where? In Poland? Yes how brave. He's in Estonia where the UK is based as part of the NATO operation. USA are based in Poland. Canada and Germany are in Latvia and Lithuania respectively. He will not set foot in Ukraine for obvious reasons. Edited March 1, 2022 by dobmisterdobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Steak said: Moldova? Whats the excuse going to be for Moldova Transnistria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria Edited March 1, 2022 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, OBE said: I believe you...As long as the MoD/BA opted for our LD to be fitted, can't say much more "Old Chap" or I’ll have to kill you. Might have been difficult back in the day but getting on a bit now……………..i recon a well placed wet paper bag in a car park on a windy day would do the trick 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said: Don't tell 'em Pike !! Putin's budy with a war map of Ukraine ? Map of Europe and UK inset...Lukashenko looks transparent...Ah, the old wooden pointy stick, he should buy a laser pen of ebay...oh! wait, he can't, he's barred... Edited March 1, 2022 by OBE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Cruyff said: The UK and US should be giving the Ukraine F22's, Typhoons, Apaches, Abrams and Challenger tanks. They should have before Putin invaded because if they did, his forces probably wouldn't be near Ukrainian Cities. The Wests response hasn't been good enough imo. We didn't have to go and fight for the Ukrainians, they are clearly more than capable but giving them the best equipment to do so would have turned the tables on Putin. yeah. The Ukrainians have lots of people sitting around trained how to fly typhoons and apaches.. it’s easy enough to. holy **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said: yeah. The Ukrainians have lots of people sitting around trained how to fly typhoons and apaches.. it’s easy enough to. holy **** Hence why Poland gave them their old Commy Era Migs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) We should sell/give Ukraine a couple or more cruise missiles that can be deployed from just inside the border. Aim them at these columns and take out some Russians and make the roads unusable at the same time. Edited March 1, 2022 by Boy Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Let’s face it, we’re standing back and letting Ukraine take a hammering. No amount of sanctions are going to change what’s happening on the ground. We need to take this ***** on. ****ing stupid. Putting the lives of all of our families at risk and signing yourself up for the fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: Yeah, that was me. Interesting that Putin seems to be following Dugin's thoughts very closely. And that is scary and a clear indication it will not stop at Ukraine's decruction. 2 hours ago, JackLadd said: We also know the SNP agenda is a part Russian divide and conquer operation. No accident Salmo is on Russia Today. None at all. Quoting both posts as my answer follows on from one and addresses the second. Russian propaganda tactics ar to conquer and divide, JackLadd, are what the Kremlin and Putin indulge in. But are you sure you want to open up this particular can of worms? Ok. 1) As above, and I've also discussed this previously on the thread - Aleksandr Dugin's doctrine and playbook is exactly what Putin is following. 2) Who else follows this facism-101 playbook? Steve Bannon, ex Trump advisor, alt-right Breitbart founder. 3) Who is mates with Steve Bannon? Boris Johnson. 4) Who helped enconsce the Putin-friendly Viktor Yanukovych's power in Ukraine? Paul Manafort. 5) Who is Paul Manafort? Former Trump chief campaign officer. 6) Who else has meddled in Ukraine? Hunter Biden, son of current US president. Some theories suggest where Manafort was shoring up Putin interests, Biden was shoring up western influence. We could cover more ground here if you want, like just how compromised Trump (made obvious by his NATO rants and his general demeanour around Putin) and potentially Johnson, are. Brexit, 2014 Independence referendum, US elections, Covid conspiracies, anti-vaxx messaging - ALL part of the Dugin propaganda playbook because they help Putin realise his aims, or at least they believe isolating the UK, fracturing US politics is in their interests. Anti-EU posturing in countries where the level of desire to leave is low also comes mainly from the Russian server-farms. We don't really need to discuss that London is teeming with Russian oligarch money, as is the tory party. We really should focus on Ukraine here, which is why what I've posted above is relevant - Ukraine has become another proxy-war between Russia & the US, with the rest of Europe not exactly innocent of using them as a political football/buffer zone. The entire GOP could be compromised due to their slavish devotion to Trump, guaranteed a Russian controlled asset. But naw, let's just focus on a Scottish politician, far past his prime/time of influence, for being on RT. That's the big picture here and not that peoples lives are on the line because the leaders of the big 2 won't adopt a fresh ideology that moves on from the cold war and prefer to do it with other countries civilians as pawns. ------------------------------------------------ Citations: 1 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-most-dangerous-man-world-paul-knott-putin-fascist-philosopher-33062/ 2 https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2020/10/rise-traditionalists-how-mystical-doctrine-reshaping-right 3 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/22/video-reveals-steve-bannon-links-to-boris-johnson 4 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-did-ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-really-do-ukraine-n775431 Edited March 1, 2022 by Gizmo punctuation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gizmo said: Quoting both posts as my answer follows on from one and addresses the second. Russian propaganda tactics, JackLadd, are what the Kremlin and Putin indulge in. But are you sure you want to open up this particular can of worms? Ok. 1) As above, and I've also discussed this previously onn the thread - Aleksandr Dugin's doctrine and playbook is exactly what Putin is following. 2) Who else follows this facism-101 playbook? Steve Bannon, ex Trump advisor, alt-right Breitbart founder. 3) Who is mates with Steve Bannon? Boris Johnson. 4) Who helped enconsce the Putin-friendly Viktor Yanukovych's power in Ukraine? Paul Manafort: 5) Who is Paul Manafort? Former Trump chief campaign officer. 6) Who else has meddled in Ukraine? Hunter Biden, son of current US president. Some theories suggest where Manafort was shoring up Putin interests, Biden was shoring up western influence. We could cover more ground here if you want, like just how compromised Trump (made obvious by his NATO rants and his general demeanour around Putin) and potentially Johnson, are. Brexit, 2014 Independence referendum, US elections, Covid conspiracies, anti-vaxx messaging - ALL part of the Dugin propaganda playbook because they help Putin realise his aims, or at least they believe isolating the UK, fracturing US politics is in their interests. Anti-EU posturing in countries where the level of desire to leave is low also comes mainly from the Russian server-farms. We don't really need to discuss that London is teeming with Russian oligarch money, as is the tory party. We really should focus on Ukraine here, which is why what I've posted above is relevant - Ukraine has become another proxy-war between Russia & the US, with the rest of Europe not exactly innocent of using them as a political football/buffer zone. The entire GOP could be compromised due to their slavish devotion to Trump, guaranteed a Russian controlled asset. But naw, let's just focus on a Scottish politician, far past his prime/time of influence, for being on RT. That's the big picture here and not that peoples lives are on the line because the leaders of the big 2 won't adopt a fresh ideology that moves on from the cold war and prefer to do it with other countries civilians. ------------------------------------------------ Citations: 1 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-most-dangerous-man-world-paul-knott-putin-fascist-philosopher-33062/ 2 https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2020/10/rise-traditionalists-how-mystical-doctrine-reshaping-right 3 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/22/video-reveals-steve-bannon-links-to-boris-johnson 4 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-did-ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-really-do-ukraine-n775431 Hunter Biden is a drug addled waster of the highest order . to repaint him as some angelic super spy merely because he is a democrat is risible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Ukraine and its people are inspirational. They know, the Polish know, the whole of Eastern Europe knows, that now is the time to stop Putin. If not now, when and where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Gizmo said: Quoting both posts as my answer follows on from one and addresses the second. Russian propaganda tactics, JackLadd, are what the Kremlin and Putin indulge in. But are you sure you want to open up this particular can of worms? Ok. 1) As above, and I've also discussed this previously onn the thread - Aleksandr Dugin's doctrine and playbook is exactly what Putin is following. 2) Who else follows this facism-101 playbook? Steve Bannon, ex Trump advisor, alt-right Breitbart founder. 3) Who is mates with Steve Bannon? Boris Johnson. 4) Who helped enconsce the Putin-friendly Viktor Yanukovych's power in Ukraine? Paul Manafort: 5) Who is Paul Manafort? Former Trump chief campaign officer. 6) Who else has meddled in Ukraine? Hunter Biden, son of current US president. Some theories suggest where Manafort was shoring up Putin interests, Biden was shoring up western influence. We could cover more ground here if you want, like just how compromised Trump (made obvious by his NATO rants and his general demeanour around Putin) and potentially Johnson, are. Brexit, 2014 Independence referendum, US elections, Covid conspiracies, anti-vaxx messaging - ALL part of the Dugin propaganda playbook because they help Putin realise his aims, or at least they believe isolating the UK, fracturing US politics is in their interests. Anti-EU posturing in countries where the level of desire to leave is low also comes mainly from the Russian server-farms. We don't really need to discuss that London is teeming with Russian oligarch money, as is the tory party. We really should focus on Ukraine here, which is why what I've posted above is relevant - Ukraine has become another proxy-war between Russia & the US, with the rest of Europe not exactly innocent of using them as a political football/buffer zone. The entire GOP could be compromised due to their slavish devotion to Trump, guaranteed a Russian controlled asset. But naw, let's just focus on a Scottish politician, far past his prime/time of influence, for being on RT. That's the big picture here and not that peoples lives are on the line because the leaders of the big 2 won't adopt a fresh ideology that moves on from the cold war and prefer to do it with other countries civilians. ------------------------------------------------ Citations: 1 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-most-dangerous-man-world-paul-knott-putin-fascist-philosopher-33062/ 2 https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2020/10/rise-traditionalists-how-mystical-doctrine-reshaping-right 3 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/22/video-reveals-steve-bannon-links-to-boris-johnson 4 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-did-ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-really-do-ukraine-n775431 Fair play mate, you give him a lot more time than I would. The problem with the type of post/person you're dealing with here is that it becomes tiresome trying to debunk it (and they're not really intersted in anything you have to say anyway). Personally, I'll just move on and ignore him. I'll finish with this : I find it very odd that posters like him trot out the Putin connection while so many others on here with his sneering attitiude to independence seem unconcerned about what has been happening under their noses in London. Anyways, that's enough from me. But Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Hunter Biden is a drug addled waster of the highest order . to repaint him as some angelic super spy merely because he is a democrat is risible Take your shite onto another thread please. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: Ukraine and its people are inspirational. They know, the Polish know, the whole of Eastern Europe knows, that now is the time to stop Putin. If not now, when and where? It’s what I’ve been thinking about. No answer as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 36 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: yeah. The Ukrainians have lots of people sitting around trained how to fly typhoons and apaches.. it’s easy enough to. holy **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, NANOJAMBO said: Fair play mate, you give him a lot more time than I would. The problem with the type of post/person you're dealing with here is that it becomes tiresome trying to debunk it (and they're not really intersted in anything you have to say anyway). Personally, I'll just move on and ignore him. I'll finish with this : I find it very odd that posters like him trot out the Putin connection while so many others on here with his sneering attitiude to independence seem unconcerned about what has been happening under their noses in London. Anyways, that's enough from me. But See the first poster to have a go above rather confirms your point! But I felt it was worth widening the scope of your informed commentary as there is so much underpinning this situation - it's not as simple as just "Putin mad/bad". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: It’s what I’ve been thinking about. No answer as yet. There is no answer. Why did no-one stop NK before they developed nukes? A Because they were backed by the Chinese. Why is no-one stopping them now they have c 20 nukes? A Because they might well fling on at South Korea. Nukes are horrendous and immoral, but the concept of detenté/MAD has probably prevented WWIII more than the UN has. If we get through the other side of this crisis, we have to have new treaties and a moratorium on hypersonic or space-based nuclear weapons before MAD becomes irrelevant and countries believe they could have first-strike capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gizmo said: See the first poster to have a go above rather confirms your point! But I felt it was worth widening the scope of your informed commentary as there is so much underpinning this situation - it's not as simple as just "Putin mad/bad". Indeed. He's not mad, he's following an idealogy that he very much believes and it's terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Causing rancour and disagreements between two countries yet again to score political points ? Vile . It’s a UK lead response doll . International affairs aren’t devolved . Thank the lord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Boab said: maybe, just maybe, the West don't want to hand over top end fighters with all the classified info therein ? A F-35 went down recently and there is an almighty scramble going on to retrieve it. For a very good reason. I think we can dispense with this argument about giving them our best fighters ! It's fantasy stuff. I haven't been following the thread today, but in Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia's case, they gave the Ukrainians some of their MiGs and SUs. I read somewhere that for at least one of those countries, the donated planes were then replaced by F-xx's from the States. Seems like a logical way of doing things, and I assume this is partially for the reasons you state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Causing rancour and disagreements between two countries yet again to score political points ? Vile . It’s a UK lead response doll . International affairs aren’t devolved . Thank the lord What does she want us to do? Go in all guns blazing 😂 We are already providing medical supplies and financial aid 🤦♂️ Edited March 1, 2022 by GBJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gizmo said: There is no answer. Why did no-one stop NK before they developed nukes? A Because they were backed by the Chinese. Why is no-one stopping them now they have c 20 nukes? A Because they might well fling on at South Korea. Nukes are horrendous and immoral, but the concept of detenté/MAD has probably prevented WWIII more than the UN has. If we get through the other side of this crisis, we have to have new treaties and a moratorium on hypersonic or space-based nuclear weapons before MAD becomes irrelevant and countries believe they could have first-strike capabilities. I would hope and pray there will be an answer. Even if it is managing the threat in some way. We need Red lines, Red lines cannot become blurred lines. However Putin needs to know what he is doing will not work and hopefully his plan will fail principally due to the resolve of the Ukrainians and the unwavering support they are getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Gizmo said: There is no answer. Why did no-one stop NK before they developed nukes? A Because they were backed by the Chinese. Why is no-one stopping them now they have c 20 nukes? A Because they might well fling on at South Korea. Nukes are horrendous and immoral, but the concept of detenté/MAD has probably prevented WWIII more than the UN has. If we get through the other side of this crisis, we have to have new treaties and a moratorium on hypersonic or space-based nuclear weapons before MAD becomes irrelevant and countries believe they could have first-strike capabilities. This. M.A.D. undoubtedly did prevent wars and wars to escalate to nuclear confrontation. But the world could now be reaping what was sowed many years ago. Because M.A.D. only works to a purpose in certain circumstances and is no longer the guarantee it was once thought to be. When M.A.D. ceases to deter dangerous escalation, the existence of the weapons becomes counter-productive because they prevent the urgent conventional armed intervention that could stop this war. NATO could stop this war and bring about regime change in Russia quite quickly. But nuclear weapons are preventing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, JamesM48 said: No it’s not the right time for any change WW2 suggests it me be the best time for change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Causing rancour and disagreements between two countries yet again to score political points ? Vile . It’s a UK lead response doll . International affairs aren’t devolved . Thank the lord What rancour and disagreement? Did you post the wrong clip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Reports of Belarus lining up tanks to go into Ukraine. If true, and they do join in, what happens then? They’ve even less business getting directly involved, although the modern day Benito has allowed the Russians to attack Ukraine from the Belarus/Ukraine border. This could easily spiral out of control due to Putin being frustrated that this action hasn’t ended up like Crimea or the Nazi annexation of Austria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Victorian said: This. M.A.D. undoubtedly did prevent wars and wars to escalate to nuclear confrontation. But the world could now be reaping what was sowed many years ago. Because M.A.D. only works to a purpose in certain circumstances and is no longer the guarantee it was once thought to be. When M.A.D. ceases to deter dangerous escalation, the existence of the weapons becomes counter-productive because they prevent the urgent conventional armed intervention that could stop this war. NATO could stop this war and bring about regime change in Russia quite quickly. But nuclear weapons are preventing it. Don't disagree at all. My biggest future worry is the proliferation of space-based or non-ballistic nukes that are untrackable, provide little warning time and extraordinarily difficult to defend against. I recall the initial "Star Wars" jingosim Reagan indulged in when he upped the ante talking about a shield over all of NATO, was laughed at for being fanciful but the Russians certainly took it seriously which leads us to the development of defence evading weapons which could be used tactically or as first-strikes. Putin is already sabre-rattling about using tactical nukes or firing off a warning missile. I don't think we've heard this rhetoric before - it's very aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, jonesy said: I don't think NATO led regime change in Russia, even if it were achievable, would do much other than at least help us forget about Ukraine. It would make Afghanistan 2003-2021 seem like a resounding success. Depends on how much genuine support there is for Putin within the military, in the Kremlin and elsewhere amongst the rich and powerful. There's every reason to believe that there are few people who would be genuinely angry at his elimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Causing rancour and disagreements between two countries yet again to score political points ? Vile . It’s a UK lead response doll . International affairs aren’t devolved . Thank the lord What's your problem with what she said. Is it causes she's right, again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I’m wondering how onside Putin’s generals are at the moment. And some of the top civilian top echelons are with Putin’s aims. Could there be a coup in the coming days as things escalated? More dead Russian soldiers, more dead Ukrainians and the effect of sanctions, would these trigger a revolt in Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: What rancour and disagreement? Did you post the wrong clip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: What's your problem with what she said. Is it causes she's right, again? The poster's a slaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gizmo said: Don't disagree at all. My biggest future worry is the proliferation of space-based or non-ballistic nukes that are untrackable, provide little warning time and extraordinarily difficult to defend against. I recall the initial "Star Wars" jingosim Reagan indulged in when he upped the ante talking about a shield over all of NATO, was laughed at for being fanciful but the Russians certainly took it seriously which leads us to the development of defence evading weapons which could be used tactically or as first-strikes. Putin is already sabre-rattling about using tactical nukes or firing off a warning missile. I don't think we've heard this rhetoric before - it's very aggressive. It's certainly interesting. As you say, upsetting the equilibrium of M.A.D. with the advantage of first strike superiority seems like a fairly bad idea. But I think we're currently witnessing the end of the purpose or mutual protection from M.A.D. Putin has changed the calculus somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Exactly. Less warning time, less chance of shooting it down. You know there's Russian ICBMS just coming into service that travel 15000mph that carry multiple warheads. Do you think if its aimed at London it's going to matter if it comes from Kiev or Moscow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: I’m wondering how onside Putin’s generals are at the moment. And some of the top civilian top echelons are with Putin’s aims. Could there be a coup in the coming days as things escalated? More dead Russian soldiers, more dead Ukrainians and the effect of sanctions, would these trigger a revolt in Russia? I highly doubt that Putin has left much to chance re any threat of a palace coup or military plot. Everyone will be under high level surveillance and absolutely shitting it to say the wrong thing to the wrong person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Causing rancour and disagreements between two countries yet again to score political points ? Vile . It’s a UK lead response doll . International affairs aren’t devolved . Thank the lord She needs to get back into her box and stick to her daft wee policies like minimal alcohol pricing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said: The poster's a slaver. He's being stupid, here. Scotland are allowed to help. And I'm glad she is, on our behalf. If she said nothing, he would call her out for that. Seems he's a fullblown/ing Boris boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Causing rancour and disagreements between two countries yet again to score political points ? Vile . It’s a UK lead response doll . International affairs aren’t devolved . Thank the lord She can **** off. She'll take money from something we need but not touch the money she wastes of free travel for U22s or pleasing the woke vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, ri Alban said: He's being stupid, here. Scotland are allowed to help. And I'm glad she is, on our behalf. If she said nothing, he would call her out for that. Seems he's a fullblown/ing Boris boy. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Herbert said: She can **** off. She'll take money from something we need but not touch the money she wastes of free travel for U22s or pleasing the woke vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, ri Alban said: What's your problem with what she said. Is it causes she's right, again? She lives rent free in his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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