Russia Invades Ukraine

[periodictabledancer]

On 01/08/2022 at 20:18, thewiseone said:

Ive actually heard Russia and Putin are presently economically and practically in a really strong position. 

I think a lot of you on this thread are following a narrative which just doesn't hold up.

 

Its a little similar to how most on here thought vaccination was the way to go during the "covid" narrative and didn't understand how they were being played by the governments , media and the like. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've "actually heard" something and then make an allusion to vaccines.

 

Deary me. 

 

 

[Mikey1874]

3 hours ago, Bauld said:

Haven't heard anything about it in weeks.

 

Media got bored and moved on.

 

Soon as Boris was getting kicked out the door the media moved on from the war.

 

Depends how you get your news. True like everything the mainstream news moves on. It is also true the fighting is bogged down just now mostly. And also Ukraine has pissed off the mainstream media by refusing to release any information for security reasons and banning a lot of access and coverage. Once Ukraine attacks Crimea later in year it will be back. 

[Footballfirst]

Reports of blasts at a Russian airfield in Crimea. 

https://twitter.com/i/events/1483255084750282753

 

Not clear what weapon was used as it is 200km from Ukranian held territory.

[Peakybunnet]

12 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Reports of blasts at a Russian airfield in Crimea. 

https://twitter.com/i/events/1483255084750282753

 

Not clear what weapon was used as it is 200km from Ukranian held territory.

Ukraine still have missiles that travel that far. Its only the Himars that have distance restricted. They also have units carrying out sabotage behind enemy lines. 

[Pap]

23 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Reports of blasts at a Russian airfield in Crimea. 

https://twitter.com/i/events/1483255084750282753

 

Not clear what weapon was used as it is 200km from Ukranian held territory.

 

"Russia claims explosions in Crimean airfield caused by munitions detonation."

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Pap

[milky_26]

22 minutes ago, Pap said:

 

"Russia claims explosions in Crimean airfield caused by munitions detonation."

 

They could be right. However what they have probably forgotten to add is the munitions detonated due to Ukrainian weapon strikes

[Cade]

24 minutes ago, Pap said:

 

"Russia claims explosions in Crimean airfield caused by munitions detonation."

 

 

well that's technically true...........

[Mikey1874]

One of the main holiday destinations for Russians too. 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Mikey1874

[Cade]

Ukraine had been developing their own medium range ballistic missiles from around 2016 but nobody knew if they were anywhere near ready for deployment.

 

Guess we know now.

[Jeffros Furios]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

One of the main holiday destinations for Russians too. 

 

 

Good to see,, hopefully some missiles land on the Ivan scum .

[Cruyff]

[Don Dan]

5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

One of the main holiday destinations for Russians too. 

 

 

Interesting vapour trail in the Sky!!

[Mikey1874]

On 06/08/2022 at 19:14, ScotsAndy said:

Rather than simply being critical of the Amnesty International Report in regard to Ukrainian dispositions in the conflict, people would do better to read it.  Its not a one sided critique of Ukraine  - its an attempt to provide information about some documented Ukrainian failings in terms of placing mllitary assets in close proximity to civilian buildings such as Hospitals.  Amnesty Int have been quite rightly much more critical of the Russian Federation actions over the course of the War - but it would seem to me that denying Ukrainian failings if they can be demonstrated would in some ways make that side and us in the west just as bad as the Russians. Much better to be honest about it, correct it if possible and therefore maintain the moral high ground.

 

Rather than assuming Amnesty International know what they are doing here's some detailed analysis of their main point. 

 

 

 

Here's also the main Amnesty International author of the report seeking to find where Ukraine keeps its weapons. 

 

 

 

[Pap]

18 hours ago, milky_26 said:

They could be right. However what they have probably forgotten to add is the munitions detonated due to Ukrainian weapon strikes

 

18 hours ago, Cade said:

 

well that's technically true...........

 

Nah. I meant Russia were as usual making out that something other tha Ukraine caused it.

 

"Russia insists explosions at Crimea air base caused by detonation of ammunition, not attack"

[joondalupjambo]

Britain and the US have been front and centre on supporting the Ukraine, so the politicians tell us and sure we are, perhaps not to the extent Blo Job said but it will be considerable.  Russia know this.

What are people's thoughts on how Russia will punish the UK?

 

Will it be via the utility route and force us to ration, do not think we get that much from them directly to matter but the other European problems may bounce onto us.

 

Or more worrying what else will they do?  There is no way we are going to be support Ukraine and not face a level of retaliation I would have thought.  Russia and Putin tend to play the long game with these types of things but not so sure this time round.

Edited August 10, 2022 by joondalupjambo

[Herbert.]

On 09/08/2022 at 18:41, Jeffros Furios said:

Good to see,, hopefully some missiles land on the Ivan scum .

 

 

Yeah let's support blowing innocent civilians up but condem it if Russia does it.

[Cade]

Russia is attempting to cut the giant Zaporizhzhia power plant off from Ukraine's national grid and divert the electricity flow to Crimea.

 

 

[Jeffros Furios]

40 minutes ago, Herbert. said:

 

 

Yeah let's support blowing innocent civilians up but condem it if Russia does it.

Maybe they shouldn't be sunning it on occupied land , they deserve all they get .

[Boab]

2 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Maybe they shouldn't be sunning it on occupied land , they deserve all they get .

That could open up a whole new argument but for another thread. Or threads !

[Cruyff]

15 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Maybe they shouldn't be sunning it on occupied land , they deserve all they get .

This. **** the Ivans.

[Cade]

The target hit was a huge military airbase.

 

If civilians choose to visit holiday camps built right next to it during a war their nation launched, then that's their own stupidity.

No civilians were harmed.

 

The airbase took a right doing.

[Herbert.]

1 hour ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Maybe they shouldn't be sunning it on occupied land , they deserve all they get .

 

Maybe civilians shouldn't be living in a warzone then so it's their own fault if the Russians kill them.

[Jeffros Furios]

1 minute ago, Herbert. said:

 

Maybe civilians shouldn't be living in a warzone then so it's their own fault if the Russians kill them.

Aye that's it pal 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Jeffros Furios

[Mikey1874]

5 hours ago, joondalupjambo said:

Britain and the US have been front and centre on supporting the Ukraine, so the politicians tell us and sure we are, perhaps not to the extent Blo Job said but it will be considerable.  Russia know this.

What are people's thoughts on how Russia will punish the UK?

 

Will it be via the utility route and force us to ration, do not think we get that much from them directly to matter but the other European problems may bounce onto us.

 

Or more worrying what else will they do?  There is no way we are going to be support Ukraine and not face a level of retaliation I would have thought.  Russia and Putin tend to play the long game with these types of things but not so sure this time round.

 

Russia can do far worse if it succeeds in Ukraine. It won't stop there. That is the better question. 

 

What Russia is capable of mainly in practice is circumventing sanctions. Plenty trade still going on currently including essential components for weapons. Work is being done to stop this. They also do stuff like the cyber attacks but again that is being defended better. 

 

The US is powerful to act on its own but Britain is acting as part of NATO. Good PR for Boris but UK doesn't act  independently. 

 

The good news is NATO is now much stronger. People say Russia would lose to NATO in days in conventional warfare. We might be isolating ourselves economically by leaving the EU but we are stronger defensively. We recently agreed a new security pact with Sweden and Finland for example. 

 

Nuclear? Who knows. But its the end of Russia too. 

[Pap]

When i saw the first photo. It looks like they missed every single shot.

 

Then the second photo -

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62500560

 

 

 

 

[Sawdust Caesar]

On 10/08/2022 at 10:25, Pap said:

 

 

Nah. I meant Russia were as usual making out that something other tha Ukraine caused it.

 

"Russia insists explosions at Crimea air base caused by detonation of ammunition, not attack"

They are correct, it was a cigarette that caused the explosion.

 

[Cade]

Another military airbase, this time 20 miles inside Belarus, has been rocked by at least 8 explosions.

 

Belarus claims an overheating truck engine was to blame.

 

 What are your trucks made out of? High explosives?

Are you absolutely sure it wasn't a Ukrainian Sapsan?

Edited August 11, 2022 by Cade

[Ked]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62505815.amp

 

Worrying.

Escalation seems more likely.

[Cruyff]

 

Patton was right, the Allies should have marched on to red square after Berlin and the world would have been a better place now. 

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

 

Patton was right, the Allies should have marched on to red square after Berlin and the world would have been a better place now. 

No he wasn't, Russia would have crushed any army who tried. And Russia were part of the allies.

[Cruyff]

9 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

No he wasn't, Russia would have crushed any army who tried. And Russia were part of the allies.

Aye he was and would they wuff.

[ri Alban]

21 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Aye he was and would they wuff.

so there! 😛

[Cruyff]

8 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

so there! 😛

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

 

[Victorian]

What's this?  Allies(-Russia) vs Russia.  In a war?  Who would win.  Allies with massive air power and nuclear weapons vs yet-to-acquire nuclear capability Russia.

 

Tricky one.  I'll mull it over.

[Cade]

Red Army did have over 11 million men under arms at the end of WW2.

In 1945 alone, they built more than 14,000 medium tanks and 3,000 heavy tanks.

And they had JS-3 tanks rolling off the production line.

Soviet air force was over 20,000 strong by 1945.

That's considerably more than the Nazis had at the height of their power, and it took 6 years to get rid of those arseholes.

 

All of the above is why they were allowed to take over half of Europe without firing a shot against the other Allies.

[Pap]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Red Army did have over 11 million men under arms at the end of WW2.

In 1945 alone, they built more than 14,000 medium tanks and 3,000 heavy tanks.

And they had JS-3 tanks rolling off the production line.

Soviet air force was over 20,000 strong by 1945.

That's considerably more than the Nazis had at the height of their power, and it took 6 years to get rid of those arseholes.

 

All of the above is why they were allowed to take over half of Europe without firing a shot against the other Allies.

 

I think i read that in 1945, the Soviet air force was bigger than every country in the worlds, combined.

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, Victorian said:

What's this?  Allies(-Russia) vs Russia.  In a war?  Who would win.  Allies with massive air power and nuclear weapons vs yet-to-acquire nuclear capability Russia.

 

Tricky one.  I'll mull it over.

So it's ok for the west to use Nuke threats?  And how would they get near Moscow etc...? Launch from GB, (The planes would have be shot down anyway), I'm sure that would have been allowed against an ally. Americans sound quite aggressive, it's surprising they took so long to enter the war. 

 

 

Japan were taken by surprise, Russia would have been ready.

Edited August 12, 2022 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

Surely bombing a nuclear station is the line needs NATO to defend.

[Cade]

Western intelligence reckon that the Ukrainians have managed to damage all the main bridges over the Dnieper in the Kherson region enough to prevent the Russians from reinforcing their beachhead on the western bank.

No heavy armour or missile systems will be able to cross the river now.

Russians have reportedly moved their regional army HQ to the western bank instead of being further forward.

This should prevent the Russians being able to press further west and gives any Ukrainian counter-offensive in that area a huge advantage.

[highlandjambo3]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Western intelligence reckon that the Ukrainians have managed to damage all the main bridges over the Dnieper in the Kherson region enough to prevent the Russians from reinforcing their beachhead on the western bank.

No heavy armour or missile systems will be able to cross the river now.

Russians have reportedly moved their regional army HQ to the western bank instead of being further forward.

This should prevent the Russians being able to press further west and gives any Ukrainian counter-offensive in that area a huge advantage.

A lot of the soviet armour & vehicles of the Cold War era were specifically designed to cross water (snorkel).  The idea that if the Cold War actually kicked off NATO would blow bridges as they withdrew, stretching the Russians supply lines, the Russians knew this so, along with a huge amount of bridging equipment which can be predictable and vulnerable, they set about designing floating kit……..of course this was never tested and by all accounts (if reports are to be believed) a major Russian bridgehead was smashed a couple of months back.

 

pictures show snorkelling tubes on these Russian tanks, T72 on the left side & T80 on the rear of the turret:

 

 

[Cade]

The Dnieper isn't like the Water of Leith or River Almond.

It's more like the Firth of Forth.

 

Not sure tank snorkels will do you much good having to drive 1 mile across it at a depth of 15 metres.

Besides, I think the Ukrainian army and western intelligence know what they're talking about on this matter.

[Pap]

Russian commanders abandoning their troops. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-russia-has-wired-nuclear-power-plant-with-explosives-no-basis-for-zelenskyy-putin-peace-talks-two-key-bridges-hit-12541713?postid=4297872#liveblog-body

[highlandjambo3]

13 hours ago, Cade said:

The Dnieper isn't like the Water of Leith or River Almond.

It's more like the Firth of Forth.

 

Not sure tank snorkels will do you much good having to drive 1 mile across it at a depth of 15 metres.

Besides, I think the Ukrainian army and western intelligence know what they're talking about on this matter.

I’m sure they do, my point was that Russian military doctrine involved crossing rivers on a large scale.  The snorkelling mentioned involves the vehicle actually being able to touch the bottom with the snorkel poking out the top of the water, 2 meters I’d imagine.  Snorkelling puts the fear in tank crews……and Incan see why.

[Mikey1874]

This is a complicated war and both Russia and Ukraine don't say much about what they do. 

 

But one problem Russia has had in Ukraine finding out its positions. It is true Ukraine is using surveillance with its excellent communications infrastructure and even direct assistance from US intelligence. 

 

But sometimes its just from social media. 

 

 

[OBE]

More squibs going of in Crimea...

[Cade]

Ammunition storage facility in the north of Crimea spontaneously explodes all on its own.

 

A couple of hours later, a military airbase in the middle of Crimea also decides to explode all on its own.

 

[JFK-1]

What are the odds.

[Cade]

Russians claiming that the ammo dump explosion came from a fire caused by a dropped ciggie.

 

 

No excuses yet for the airbase explosions.

 

[Jeff]

7 minutes ago, Cade said:

Russians claiming that the ammo dump explosion came from a fire caused by a dropped ciggie.

 

 

No excuses yet for the airbase explosions.

 

 

Probably blame an iffy madras