Russia Invades Ukraine

[Cade]

Well, they totally got away with doing the EXACT SAME THINGS in Syria for years.

 

 

[highlandjambo3]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

This is the weapon used yesterday relating to Alex Thomson's story.

 

Russia saying only Ukraine uses it.

 

I’m sure I seen that video footage a few weeks ago…….I distinctly remember the old boy in the red jacket at the junction to the right scurrying away after the blast……i am 99% sure of this……anyone else remember this?

[redjambo]

Boris in Kyiv for a surprise meeting with Zelenskyy today.

[Cade]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

Boris in Kyiv for a surprise meeting with Zelenskyy today.

More than likely making all kinds of promises he has no intention or ability to keep.

[indianajones]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

Boris in Kyiv for a surprise meeting with Zelenskyy today.

 

WTF is that clown going to say?

 

I wouldnt let him in to be honest. 

[Japan Jambo]

12 minutes ago, indianajones said:

 

WTF is that clown going to say?

 

I wouldnt let him in to be honest. 

 

Prefer if they didn't let him out... kidding

[Mikey1874]

Someone else on here might know better but Homes for Ukraine one of the UK schemes had 1200 successful placings done out of 42,600 applications in yesterday's Government figures. 

 

Around 10% of people housed (116) are in Edinburgh. 

Edited April 9, 2022 by Mikey1874

[Don Dan]

Insider spoke to three families returning to Ukraine because of the UK visa backlog.

They said they could not afford housing in Europe while waiting for their visas to be approved.

Just 2.8% of the Homes for Ukraine visa applicants have arrived in the UK, per the Home Office.
 

 

World beating eh

[Mikey1874]

20,000 Ukrainians welcomed into Ireland 

[Lone Striker]

Very interesting piece by BBC Security expert Gordon Corera on the unusual role Western Intelligence took in the lead up to the invasion, and the long-lasting difficulty they face due to the  Iraq error.

 

Ukraine: Inside the spies’ attempts to stop the war

Gordon Corera
Security correspondent, BBC News
@gordoncoreraon Twitter

Published

18 hours ago

 

Image caption,

Satellite image of Luninets airfield, Belarus, during the build-up to Russia's attack on Ukraine

Traditionally, it is the job of a spy to keep secrets - but as the invasion of Ukraine loomed, Western intelligence officials made the unusual decision to tell the world what they knew.

For nearly a dozen days in February, a small group of intelligence officers had been going to bed early.

They had seen the intelligence predicting a war and knew that if Russia was really going to invade Ukraine, it would begin in the early hours of the morning.

But when the news finally came on 24 February, it still felt unreal, one recalls: "It was hard to believe it was actually happening until I woke up early that morning and put the radio on."

For months they had been sounding the alarm.

"That day people went from 'Why are you being so hysterical?' to 'Why weren't you more hysterical?'" says the official.

There was no satisfaction in being proved right, another intelligence official adds. But at least they felt they had tried to stop a war whose scale they had been warning of for months.

IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERS

Image caption,

A member of the Ukrainian State Border Guard Service on patrol near the frontier with Russia

The run-up to war and the weeks after it started saw American and British intelligence make public some of their most closely held secrets as part of an unprecedented campaign.

For decades, intelligence had normally been something to share with as few individuals as possible. No longer. The decision had been taken to make the whole world know about it.

This not only marked a dramatic shift in the way Western intelligence had been operating - it also meant confronting the painful legacy of the invasion of Iraq.

The first signs of Russia's intentions arrived a year ago. Intelligence from satellite imagery pointed to a Russian troop build-up near Ukraine. But analysts had little understanding of Moscow's true intentions.

That changed in mid-2021. "From summer we saw a small group of senior people planning for a full military invasion of the whole country," explains one Western intelligence official.

The intelligence-gathering and analysis was a joint US-UK affair, those involved say - one calling it a "family" operation. There was no single moment of understanding but rather a picture that became increasingly clear as time passed.

The exact provenance of the intelligence remains classified - officials suggest it came from multiple sources. But it provided a picture which continued to build as London and Washington saw invasion plans being finalised.

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Vladimir Putin seemed to believe he had to act quickly to fulfil his ambition of bringing Ukraine back into Russia's sphere of influence. And he believed the only way to do so was by using force. "He felt like he had a closing window of opportunity," says one person who was directly involved.

By autumn, Washington had decided it needed to do something with what it was being told by its spies. That decision, those involved say, was taken at the very highest level of the White House by President Biden.

A crucial moment came in early November when CIA Director William Burns travelled to Moscow - to warn that Washington knew what was being planned. The trip was not kept secret. The first time some Russian officials were told that their country might be seriously intending to act against Ukraine was when they heard it from the director of the CIA, one official says.

The next stage was to make some of the intelligence public. One individual involved in the discussions, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity, recalls times where it was asked: "What is the point of knowing all of this, if we can't do something with it?"

In Washington, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines - who briefed allies at Nato in November - and National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan are credited with pushing for the release of material. Experts on declassification, trained to understand the risks, began to work round the clock to establish what could be shared.

"The Intelligence Community surged personnel and resources to support classification reviews for increased intelligence sharing with allies and partners and declassification reviews for potential release to the public (and) leveraged its established declassification process, which is designed to protect sources and methods," Nicole de Haay, a spokeswoman for the US intelligence community, told the BBC.

One advantage was being able to use commercially available satellite imagery to support the case. By early December, details of Russia's plans for a 175,000-strong invasion had appeared in the Washington Post.

In London, the intelligence - coming in from GCHQ and MI6 - was met with near-disbelief in some quarters. A common problem inside and outside government was that people simply could not believe a major land war could break out in Europe in the 21st Century.

IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES

Image caption,

MI6 headquarters - intelligence coming out of the agency was met with near disbelief

It was only late in the year - after the material went through a formal assessment process and the Joint Intelligence Committee issued its considered view that an invasion was now "highly likely" - that everyone began to realise this was for real.

The rigour of that process was a direct result of lessons learned nearly two decades ago when intelligence had been used to make the public case for war in Iraq in a haphazard, improvised way. In 2003, amid accusations of politicisation, the reputation of US and UK spies was damaged - especially after the intelligence proved to be wrong.

The ghosts of Iraq have since haunted discussions about using intelligence in public - but Ukraine offered an opportunity to try to put that legacy to bed. New procedures had been put in place to ensure secret information went through a strict assessment process to govern how it could be used.

Other allies were also briefed. But many remained sceptical. Because the source of the intelligence could not be shared it was sometimes hard to overcome this incredulity, one official says.

Some European partners did not buy the analysis that Russia's build-up was anything more than bluff. A scepticism about Anglo-American intelligence was also another legacy of Iraq's missing weapons of mass destruction. France has recently sacked its head of military intelligence for failing to appreciate what was being planned.

The fear for spies in publicising material is that this tips off the other side that they have a leak and potentially closes off that source. This was why, in World War Two, the UK kept the secret of Bletchley Park so tightly. There have been other occasions since Iraq when intelligence has been made public, for instance over the use of chemical weapons in Syria, but never on the scale seen over Ukraine.

The release included the UK sharing details of Russian plans to install specific individuals as part of a puppet government in Kyiv - and Washington revealing plans by Moscow to stage pretexts for war, so-called false flags, involving dead bodies whom they would falsely claim had been killed by Ukrainians.

American and British spies both believe that publicising this material robbed Moscow of the ability to justify the invasion to its own people and other countries as a defensive move.

One spy says of those days before the invasion that he had never seen anything like it - highly classified material would be on his desk one day and then emerge in the public domain the next.

But the unprecedented outpouring of intelligence was not enough to stop the invasion.

The public release had not deterred Moscow. That may never have been possible but officials believe it did disrupt Russia's plans. And it meant the reaction across the West was swifter and more unified than it might otherwise have been, they argue.

They say they made it much easier for other countries to rally round tougher measures than if there had been a confused and disputed picture of who was the real aggressor.

The release has continued after the invasion in speeches, statements and briefings - the head of GCHQ claimed just over a week ago that Putin was still not getting the full picture from his own officials and there have been warnings of possible "false flag" use of chemical weapons.

There is also a recognition of a new world in which so-called open-source intelligence - things like commercial satellite imagery and data - has made it more possible to verify or support assertions and that fighting an information war - including through intelligence - is now vital, partly to counter Russian assertions.

On one level, much of the intelligence was spot-on. There was, as forecast, a full invasion from multiple directions with the purpose of toppling and replacing the Zelensky government.

Western spies also correctly predicted that Moscow had misplaced confidence about the reception it would encounter. "They genuinely believed there would be flags out to welcome them," says a Western intelligence officer.

But one assumption did prove wrong - that Moscow's military would prevail in a matter of weeks. Instead, the war would not turn out as many expected, with Ukraine outperforming militarily while Russia underperformed.

That is a reminder that intelligence has its limits - particularly in predicting some of the complexities of war and the uncertainties of people's morale and reaction. And for all its success before the war, Western spies concede that intelligence cannot tell them for sure what will happen next.

 

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

20,000 Ukrainians welcomed into Ireland 

 

Apparently the government expects the number of arrivals to reach 25,000 by this day next week.  Refugee groups are saying that the total number settling in Ireland could reach 50,000.  People on the ground in local areas are doing a great job, as are local government services, but it's going to be very difficult to accommodate (literally) an increase of 1% in population in only a few weeks. 

[manaliveits105]

'Be brave, like Boris': Zelenskyy praises PM during secret trip to Kyiv

[Mikey1874]

51 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Apparently the government expects the number of arrivals to reach 25,000 by this day next week.  Refugee groups are saying that the total number settling in Ireland could reach 50,000.  People on the ground in local areas are doing a great job, as are local government services, but it's going to be very difficult to accommodate (literally) an increase of 1% in population in only a few weeks. 

 

I see loads of people have been returning to Kiev, certainly from Poland. Might help everyone though I expect it will get worse again unless Russia are defeated in Dombass. 

Edited April 9, 2022 by Mikey1874

[Ulysses]

18 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

'Be brave, like Boris': Zelenskyy praises PM during secret trip to Kyiv

 

 

 

[Ulysses]

9 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

I see loads of people have been returning to Kiev, certainly from Poland. Might help everyone though I expect it will get worse again unless Russia are defeated in Dombass. 

 

I've seen that as well.  It's completely unpredictable, of course.

[Cade]

Boris had his wee photo shoot after the Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer had already been and gone earlier that day.

European Commission President Ursula von der Layen had been there a day earlier and actually visited Bucha.

Boris was back of the queue.

[Mac_fae_Gillie]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

Boris had his wee photo shoot after the Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer had already been and gone earlier that day.

European Commission President Ursula von der Layen had been there a day earlier and actually visited Bucha.

Boris was back of the queue.

Not keen to support these type off photo op visits but a possible mass murder/war crime or genocide has just occurred a few miles from Kiev so getting leaders in to see the evidence in person is pretty important plus Russia has just withdrawn from area so getting in now to see results of recent artillery or missiles strikes is sorta a gotta do.

[Mister T]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

Boris had his wee photo shoot after the Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer had already been and gone earlier that day.

European Commission President Ursula von der Layen had been there a day earlier and actually visited Bucha.

Boris was back of the queue.

Get your point but the bigger thing is Western leaders heading in to effectively a war zone to show support. How many of the sycophants are pitching up in Moscow? 

[Ulysses]

9 minutes ago, Mac_fae_Gillie said:

Not keen to support these type off photo op visits but a possible mass murder/war crime or genocide has just occurred a few miles from Kiev so getting leaders in to see the evidence in person is pretty important plus Russia has just withdrawn from area so getting in now to see results of recent artillery or missiles strikes is sorta a gotta do.

 

Agreed re the value of getting leaders in to see evidence.  But I also think the photo ops are useful.  It must be very hard and possibly hopeless for people in Ukraine right now.  Seeing their leaders walking the streets in Ukraine with people like the head of the EU Commission or the British PM - and being taken seriously by them - just might be better for morale among those people than we realise.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2022 by Ulysses

[Ulysses]

2 minutes ago, Mister T said:

Get your point but the bigger thing is Western leaders heading in to effectively a war zone to show support. How many of the sycophants are pitching up in Moscow? 

 

Well said.

[Ulysses]

Oh, and by the way, I'd be quicker than anyone on JKB to deride Johnson.  But the fact is that he is the head of government of a permanent member of the UN Security Council, and he showed up when he could just as easily have stayed in London.  So well done to him for that.

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Agreed re the value of getting leaders in to see evidence.  But I also think the photo ops are useful.  It must be very hard and possibly hopeless for people in Ukraine right now.  Seeing their leaders walking the streets in Ukraine with people like the head of the EU Commission or the British PM - and being taken seriously by them - just might be better for morale among those people than we realise.

 

 

Spot on, Ulysses. I'm not a great fan of Boris by any stretch of the imagination but I was pretty impressed after seeing his walkabout video because it will have no doubt presented an important boost to Ukrainians to see on-the-ground support like that, not just armaments and sanctions.

[Pap]

Yeh. Fair play to Boris. Was a good thing to do and a middle finger to Putin who clearly thought Kiev would be under Russian control by Russia.

 

Also noticed that Zelenskyy said that the UK was "ready to assume patronage of the restoration of Kyiv and the Kyiv region" after the war.

 

Does this mean we are kind of sponsoring its re-build?

[ri Alban]

6 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

Spot on, Ulysses. I'm not a great fan of Boris by any stretch of the imagination but I was pretty impressed after seeing his walkabout video because it will have no doubt presented an important boost to Ukrainians to see on-the-ground support like that, not just armaments and sanctions.

Did it being the price of living in the UK down, or bring in the money stolen to PPE contracts given to his mates and the useless track and trace or the needless lives lost to the coronavirus by keeping the country and borders open to long. But hey  I'll go to Kyiv once the Russians leave and get my photo taken. 

 

Other than that.  👍

And Russia can pay to rebuild Ukraine, we pay enough for very little as it is.

[Pap]

I'm not sure too many people in Ukraine would want to live in a house built with Russian money.

 

I think its more symbolic that we will help them re-build. 

[pablo]

You'd have to be really blinded by Brexit, and/or nationalism to be unable to concede the PM is uncharacteristically showing remarkable leadership on the global stage.

 

From Ukraine’s deputy yesterday:

 

“The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”

 

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by pablo

[The Real Maroonblood]

12 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

'Be brave, like Boris': Zelenskyy praises PM during secret trip to Kyiv

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

You'd have to be really blinded by Brexit, and/or nationalism to be unable to concede the PM is uncharacteristically showing remarkable leadership on the global stage.

 

From Ukraine’s deputy yesterday:

 

“The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”

 

 

 

 

Where Global Britain lead others follow - bravo Prime minister 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said:

Where Global Britain lead others follow - bravo Prime minister 

He still a pathological liar.

[pablo]

9 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

He still a pathological liar.

 

Totally. Acknowledging he's doing well here isn't an endorsement of his rank rotten domestic record as PM.

[redjambo]

57 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Totally. Acknowledging he's doing well here isn't an endorsement of his rank rotten domestic record as PM.

 

Spot on.

[The Real Maroonblood]

11 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Spot on.

He's an expert at deflection. 

[redjambo]

6 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

He's an expert at deflection. 

 

Who, Pablo? Or Boris?

 

If you mean Boris, yes indeed, but in this case he did the right thing in meeting up with Zelenskyy in Kyiv and going on walkabout. I still detest him but even bumbling fools make the right decision from time to time, so good on him for this one.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Who, Pablo? Or Boris?

 

If you mean Boris, yes indeed, but in this case he did the right thing in meeting up with Zelenskyy in Kyiv and going on walkabout. I still detest him but even bumbling fools make the right decision from time to time, so good on him for this one.

It's just a publicity stunt.

I'll leave it at that as I don't want to derail the thread .

[Cade]

I think perhaps people got the wrong end of my previous post.

It's a great thing that world leaders are not only travelling to Ukraine to meet Zelenskiy in person but to also visit the scene of the alleged mass murders of civilians in what is still, after all, an active warzone.

 

My point was that Boris wasn't a special case. He just shambled up in his ill-fitting suit and probably lied through his teeth about what the UK will give Ukraine.

It's laughable to suggest that the UK is a world leader in sanctions against Russia. We've been slow to impose them and even when we have it's been delayed so the Tory's Russian pals have time to move everything out of the UK.
People point out that the UK only seems to have imposed heavy sanctions on Russian individuals because the UK had some much dodgy Russian money sloshing around in it in the first place.

The UK may have been the first to send military equipment, but that's just in our usual role as one of the world's largest arms exporters.

The equipment we gave them was all man-portable defensive stuff used primarily against softer targets like APCs and IFVs.

 

Most of the Russian main battle tanks have been destroyed by the Ukrainian designed and produced Stugna-P missile system.

With Poland having made a deal with the USA to buy Abrams tanks, Poland will soon send a decent number of their T-72 tanks to Ukraine, as those are what the Ukraine army knows how to use.
We still don't know if anyone is willing or able to send Ukraine any planes, but better and better air defense systems are being sent by many nations.

This next phase is going to be key. Many world leaders are waking up to the atrocities committed by the unruly, badly trained and poorly led Russian invaders. Sanctions and arms supplies are ramping up all the time. We'll see if the Ukrainians can deal with a toe to toe fight against a reorganised and concentrated Russian army on a single front along the Donbas.

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, Cade said:

I think perhaps people got the wrong end of my previous post.

It's a great thing that world leaders are not only travelling to Ukraine to meet Zelenskiy in person but to also visit the scene of the alleged mass murders of civilians in what is still, after all, an active warzone.

 

My point was that Boris wasn't a special case. He just shambled up in his ill-fitting suit and probably lied through his teeth about what the UK will give Ukraine.

It's laughable to suggest that the UK is a world leader in sanctions against Russia. We've been slow to impose them and even when we have it's been delayed so the Tory's Russian pals have time to move everything out of the UK.
People point out that the UK only seems to have imposed heavy sanctions on Russian individuals because the UK had some much dodgy Russian money sloshing around in it in the first place.

The UK may have been the first to send military equipment, but that's just in our usual role as one of the world's largest arms exporters.

The equipment we gave them was all man-portable defensive stuff used primarily against softer targets like APCs and IFVs.

 

Most of the Russian main battle tanks have been destroyed by the Ukrainian designed and produced Stugna-P missile system.

With Poland having made a deal with the USA to buy Abrams tanks, Poland will soon send a decent number of their T-72 tanks to Ukraine, as those are what the Ukraine army knows how to use.
We still don't know if anyone is willing or able to send Ukraine any planes, but better and better air defense systems are being sent by many nations.

This next phase is going to be key. Many world leaders are waking up to the atrocities committed by the unruly, badly trained and poorly led Russian invaders. Sanctions and arms supplies are ramping up all the time. We'll see if the Ukrainians can deal with a toe to toe fight against a reorganised and concentrated Russian army on a single front along the Donbas.

 

Just a wee note that the single front won't just be along the Donbas, it will be from Kharkiv to Kherson.

[Pap]

Winston Churchill was hated at home.

[JudyJudyJudy]

The Ex Hibs casual is back in Scotland . Saw it on social media . Unsure how many “ burdz” are lining up For him yet . Think you can only be a certain time out the country before your broo money is stopped though 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

12 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

Spot on, Ulysses. I'm not a great fan of Boris by any stretch of the imagination but I was pretty impressed after seeing his walkabout video because it will have no doubt presented an important boost to Ukrainians to see on-the-ground support like that, not just armaments and sanctions.

 

Absolutely, imo it doesn't matter what we here in the UK think, whether that be it's a publicity stunt or it's this or it's that, or indeed what anybody thinks of Bojo, the only thing that does matter is the effect this visit has on the people of Ukraine and the message it sends to Putin and his thugs.

 

Putin who could easily have imagined himself along with his puppet leader he'd install to be walking the streets of Kyiv right about now, but instead we had Boris Johnston doing a walkabout in the streets of Kyiv.  If people are able to, try and put aside your political prejudices for one minute to stop and think what message this sends to Putin but also the massive boost it provides to the Ukrainian people.

 

The sight of a World leader and Bojo is a World leader whether people like it or not walking with President Zalensky on the streets of Kyiv, well I'd guess you'd have to be Ukrainian to fully understand just what the sight of that means to you. 

 

 

 

[pablo]

44 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Absolutely, imo it doesn't matter what we here in the UK think, whether that be it's a publicity stunt or it's this or it's that, or indeed what anybody thinks of Bojo, the only thing that does matter is the effect this visit has on the people of Ukraine and the message it sends to Putin and his thugs.

 

Putin who could easily have imagined himself along with his puppet leader he'd install to be walking the streets of Kyiv right about now, but instead we had Boris Johnston doing a walkabout in the streets of Kyiv.  If people are able to, try and put aside your political prejudices for one minute to stop and think what message this sends to Putin but also the massive boost it provides to the Ukrainian people.

 

The sight of a World leader and Bojo is a World leader whether people like it or not walking with President Zalensky on the streets of Kyiv, well I'd guess you'd have to be Ukrainian to fully understand just what the sight of that means to you. 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the thing that takes it out of being a mere publicity stunt is that he backed it up with further support. He went there to tell them in person that he will provide 120 armoured vehicles, anti-ship missiles, more military training and a further £385m cash. That's tangible stuff alongside the morale boost you talk about. 

 

If he could just sort out the sluggish, even embarrassing Home Office in sorting out the processing of refugees, he'd have pretty much nailed it.

[Cade]

World leaders being there in person is a clear message to the Russians and the wider world that support (moral, military and financial) for Ukraine is broad, determined and still growing.

But of course, those people will also be using these visits for domestic political capital.

Macron would have been there too but he's too busy fighting off Bampot LePenn in the Presidential election.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

35 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

 

I think the thing that takes it out of being a mere publicity stunt is that he backed it up with further support. He went there to tell them in person that he will provide 120 armoured vehicles, anti-ship missiles, more military training and a further £385m cash. That's tangible stuff alongside the morale boost you talk about. 

 

If he could just sort out the sluggish, even embarrassing Home Office in sorting out the processing of refugees, he'd have pretty much nailed it.

 

Indeed.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Cade said:

World leaders being there in person is a clear message to the Russians and the wider world that support (moral, military and financial) for Ukraine is broad, determined and still growing.

But of course, those people will also be using these visits for domestic political capital.

Macron would have been there too but he's too busy fighting off Bampot LePenn in the Presidential election.

 

If it provides a much needed moral boost to the Ukrainians and pisses the feck out of Putin, then I'll tolarate Bojo milking it for all it's worth.

[Cade]

33 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

If it provides a much needed moral boost to the Ukrainians and pisses the feck out of Putin, then I'll tolarate Bojo milking it for all it's worth.

 

Doesn't make PartyGate go away, despite what his wee toadies in Whitehall say and think.

[Cade]

Colonel Alexander Bespalov, commander of the Russian 59th Guards Tank Regiment has been killed.

 

This is the 9th high ranking Russian officer to be killed in Ukraine.

NATO estimates that up to 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the 46 days of the invasion.

 

In the entire tens years of the Afghan campaign in the 1980s, Russia lost 5 generals and 15,000 troops.

 

 

[indianajones]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Colonel Alexander Bespalov, commander of the Russian 59th Guards Tank Regiment has been killed.

 

This is the 9th high ranking Russian officer to be killed in Ukraine.

NATO estimates that up to 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the 46 days of the invasion.

 

In the entire tens years of the Afghan campaign in the 1980s, Russia lost 5 generals and 15,000 troops.

 

 

 

Sticks and stones compared to the weapons they are up against in this war though. 

 

They have made a total arse of things though which also doesnt help. 

[maggieb]

On 08/04/2022 at 00:45, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Guys hear me out...If you're willing to overlook their arsenal of 6000 world-ending nuclear warheads then Russia isn't that powerful at all.

 

Serious question here?      Countries have anti aircraft missiles. Does anyone have anti missile missiles? Can we stop them at source? 

[Tazio]

11 minutes ago, maggieb said:

Serious question here?      Countries have anti aircraft missiles. Does anyone have anti missile missiles? Can we stop them at source? 

Yes. As an example Israel has a fully automated system that shoots down missiles called Iron Dome. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

 

Doesn't make PartyGate go away, despite what his wee toadies in Whitehall say and think.

 

Don't worry partygate isn't going anywhere.

[maggieb]

3 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Yes. As an example Israel has a fully automated system that shoots down missiles called Iron Dome. 

Thanks Tazio,

Can we buy / supply any country nearby the exit ?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

17 minutes ago, maggieb said:

Serious question here?      Countries have anti aircraft missiles. Does anyone have anti missile missiles? Can we stop them at source? 

 

Patriot missile system.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/patriot/