Sooks Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, sac said: Think the news reported the action as being an American style lawsuit against the perpetrators, by that I’m assuming it will be about getting huge payouts for the victims? I think previous payments from other clubs like Manchester City have been pretty paltry actually . I think the American style reference is purely referencing the class action where a group are seen as the one party . I think any way Edited September 22, 2023 by Sooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, sac said: Think the news reported the action as being an American style lawsuit against the perpetrators, by that I’m assuming it will be about getting huge payouts for the victims? I think it is to do with a group of people with similar grievances coming together as a class action - one case rather than a load of individual court cases. I dont think it relates to how much is claimed or expected to be paid. Others may know better or be able to explain it in better terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, sac said: Think the news reported the action as being an American style lawsuit against the perpetrators, by that I’m assuming it will be about getting huge payouts for the victims? The law in Scotland was changed fairly recently to allow class actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 An interesting update on what's happening. Looks positive for compensation payouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 On 26/09/2022 at 23:54, Mr Elwood P said: Not sure I would describe another alleged victims of sexual abuse as 'good news' ? The victims have already been identified and this is them seeking justice. THAT is good news. No one ( or at least I would hope no one would think more child abuse is good news ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Hopefully the biscuit tin takes a massive hit to pay off those seeking justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 34 minutes ago, sac said: Hopefully the biscuit tin takes a massive hit to pay off those seeking justice. Hibs , Dundee United and Sevco up next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 It really is awful the way this has dragged on . I am not comparing grief and I would never do so , but I am a complete mess trying to deal with the loss of my Mum and the legal side of it . There is an ongoing criminal inquiry and it has only been nine to ten months or so . I have PTSD and dangerously bad anxiety and depression off the back of it . How many years has this been going on ? It seems to have been ongoing forever. These poor victims are living with this side of things EVERY single day , not just the effects of the abuse , but the reliving of it because of their quest for justice . That is what a lot of people fail to understand . These people are not just sitting at home living happy lives until every now and again they have to make statements or whatever , they are living this thing all the time . Some are probably suicidal or so low they could be self harming through abuse of alcohol or drugs . The mental toll that Celtic are putting them through is horrendous , they deserve to be slaughtered for how they have gone about this . Despicable people at that club for putting victims through this torture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Sooks said: It really is awful the way this has dragged on . I am not comparing grief and I would never do so , but I am a complete mess trying to deal with the loss of my Mum and the legal side of it . There is an ongoing criminal inquiry and it has only been nine to ten months or so . I have PTSD and dangerously bad anxiety and depression off the back of it . How many years has this been going on ? It seems to have been ongoing forever. These poor victims are living with this side of things EVERY single day , not just the effects of the abuse , but the reliving of it because of their quest for justice . That is what a lot of people fail to understand . These people are not just sitting at home living happy lives until every now and again they have to make statements or whatever , they are living this thing all the time . Some are probably suicidal or so low they could be self harming through abuse of alcohol or drugs . The mental toll that Celtic are putting them through is horrendous , they deserve to be slaughtered for how they have gone about this . Despicable people at that club for putting victims through this torture Sorry to read about your loss and grief mate. I hope you are getting all the help and support you need. As you quite rightly say, it must be horrible for these victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, jamboozy said: Sorry to read about your loss and grief mate. I hope you are getting all the help and support you need. As you quite rightly say, it must be horrible for these victims. Thank you . I did not intend to try and make this about myself , I just found that I see this through different eyes now than how I did before . Before I just kind of thought about it being a case of they will just be getting on with their normal lives until every now and again they need to make a statement or whatever . They are not , they are being put through a mangle every single day and it must be like torture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Sooks said: Thank you . I did not intend to try and make this about myself , I just found that I see this through different eyes now than how I did before . Before I just kind of thought about it being a case of they will just be getting on with their normal lives until every now and again they need to make a statement or whatever . They are not , they are being put through a mangle every single day and it must be like torture Understand Sooks, anything at any time can send you plummeting, I know from my own experiences. It must be terrible for these guys as they were exploited as youngsters, my heart goes out to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, jamboozy said: Understand Sooks, anything at any time can send you plummeting, I know from my own experiences. It must be terrible for these guys as they were exploited as youngsters, my heart goes out to them. Exactly mate . They were exploited as youngsters and now they ate being tortured as adults . It is no exaggeration whatsoever to say that they have had their lives ruined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Sooks said: Exactly mate . They were exploited as youngsters and now they ate being tortured as adults . It is no exaggeration whatsoever to say that they have had their lives ruined Sadly, you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 27 minutes ago, Sooks said: Exactly mate . They were exploited as youngsters and now they ate being tortured as adults . It is no exaggeration whatsoever to say that they have had their lives ruined Exploited as youngsters, tortured as adults. What an existence. May those responsible rot in hell, when they get there! Sorry to hear about what you’re going through mate. You’ll come out of it stronger. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rogue Daddy said: Exploited as youngsters, tortured as adults. What an existence. May those responsible rot in hell, when they get there! Sorry to hear about what you’re going through mate. You’ll come out of it stronger. 👍 Yip . I think some people can overlook that side of things sometimes . This story appears every so often when there is a newsworthy development , and then we all just move on to the next thing in our busy personal lives . It is easy to forget that this is these peoples personal lives , every single day Thanks . Edited January 6 by Sooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I guess the CFC actions will be driven by legal advice. Advice that will be no doubt designed to reduce any liabilities that may, or may not to be paid out in the future. Also terrible if part of the he aims are to drag this out so that some of the poor victims are gone by the time the final decisions are reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: I guess the CFC actions will be driven by legal advice. Advice that will be no doubt designed to reduce any liabilities that may, or may not to be paid out in the future. Also terrible if part of the he aims are to drag this out so that some of the poor victims are gone by the time the final decisions are reached. This is probably correct . Would any compensation not pass on to the family of a victim if they die before settlement is reached though ? I would hope so . If not then there is probably a chart somewhere that shows the average financial saving from cases like this against drop off rate . Depressing thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Sooks said: This is probably correct . Would any compensation not pass on to the family of a victim if they die before settlement is reached though ? I would hope so . If not then there is probably a chart somewhere that shows the average financial saving from cases like this against drop off rate . Depressing thought Not sure but my feeling would be that part of this process would be for the legal folk to agree a payout to an individual. It would then be perhaps up to the courts to agree or not as to the point of it going to somebody else if a victim passed. The world has lost its moral compass and guilty parties all over will only payout after all legal paths are exhausted. Horrible, horrible times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said: Not sure but my feeling would be that part of this process would be for the legal folk to agree a payout to an individual. It would then be perhaps up to the courts to agree or not as to the point of it going to somebody else if a victim passed. The world has lost its moral compass and guilty parties all over will only payout after all legal paths are exhausted. Horrible, horrible times. Thoroughly depressing thought . Agree about the world’s moral compass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 44 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: Not sure but my feeling would be that part of this process would be for the legal folk to agree a payout to an individual. It would then be perhaps up to the courts to agree or not as to the point of it going to somebody else if a victim passed. The world has lost its moral compass and guilty parties all over will only payout after all legal paths are exhausted. Horrible, horrible times. That's always been the case, unless there is enough consensus between the wronged and guilty party to settle prior to a judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 6 hours ago, Sooks said: Yip . I think some people can overlook that side of things sometimes . This story appears every so often when there is a newsworthy development , and then we all just move on to the next thing in our busy personal lives . It is easy to forget that this is these peoples personal lives , every single day Thanks . 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgierulesapply88 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Horrible horrible institution. How any parent can allow their child to support them is beyond me. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandJambo Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 27 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Progress Good news if true. Its just sad that whatever the abused receive it'll never be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Progress I assume this explains their stockpiling of cash then . They really should never have put these poor people through hell that they did by trying to dodge their responsibilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 What a stand up organisation. Hand forced after decades of denial. Yet another string to add to their glorious bow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Sooks said: I assume this explains their stockpiling of cash then . They really should never have put these poor people through hell that they did by trying to dodge their responsibilities They wont pay it will be their insurers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: What a stand up organisation. Hand forced after decades of denial. Yet another string to add to their glorious bow You just know their many friends in the media are already lining up to apply the status of a communal sainthood to anyone and everyone associated with that vile club. This whole episode started in the 60s and went on for decades (and was denied for decades) even though some of their ex-players and managers referenced the goings-on in their biographies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 26 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: They wont pay it will be their insurers Surely to **** you can’t get an insurer who pays out for THAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 34 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: They wont pay it will be their insurers As above, I doubt you'd get insurance that would pay out for decades of child abuse by multiple offenders. Especially for an out of court settlement. Edited April 8 by SUTOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Sooks said: Surely to **** you can’t get an insurer who pays out for THAT It will be covered by public liability insurance which will cover for club employees being naughty and being sued by the public these policies for the likes of football clubs cost a fortune obviously depending on the size of a club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyces beard Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 32 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: They wont pay it will be their insurers Celtic will pay surely, im no expert but i cant see the club being insured against hiring paedophiles 30-50 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 7 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: It will be covered by public liability insurance which will cover for club employees being naughty and being sued by the public these policies for the likes of football clubs cost a fortune obviously depending on the size of a club Yep. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/01/football-clubs-insurance-covering-child-sex-abuse-claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Boyces beard said: Celtic will pay surely, im no expert but i cant see the club being insured against hiring paedophiles 30-50 years ago. It’s nothing to do with who they hired their defence would be they didn’t know but no matter the guardian paper already stated that their insurance would pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: It’s nothing to do with who they hired their defence would be they didn’t know but no matter the guardian paper already stated that their insurance would pay Suspect you are right although was there not something odd about the order of events, i.e Jock Stein got rid of Torbett when he found out about the abuse and then Celtic for some reason re-hired him with some side gig years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyces beard Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: It’s nothing to do with who they hired their defence would be they didn’t know but no matter the guardian paper already stated that their insurance would pay Unbelievable eh, at least the victims get some sort of compensation which will obviously never be enough. Celtic get an excess on there public liability insurance when it comes up for renewal. Horrible club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 16 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: It will be covered by public liability insurance which will cover for club employees being naughty and being sued by the public these policies for the likes of football clubs cost a fortune obviously depending on the size of a club I thought Celtic argued that the beasts weren’t employees of the club? Hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Will the settlement come with an admittance and apology from Celtic. Sure I read somewhere the last time a settlement was being suggested, it also included no responsibility/apology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 This should have been sorted years ago🤬 disgusting, lawyers will be coining it in no doubt 🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 9 minutes ago, BelgeJambo said: Will the settlement come with an admittance and apology from Celtic. Sure I read somewhere the last time a settlement was being suggested, it also included no responsibility/apology NDAs no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyces beard Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 If they use Public liability insurance to pay the victims then that horrible institution are admitting that they are liable for the offences committed. li·able adjective responsible by law; legally answerable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 39 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: It will be covered by public liability insurance which will cover for club employees being naughty and being sued by the public these policies for the likes of football clubs cost a fortune obviously depending on the size of a club Maybe not the case. Perhaps the reason why Celtic have been hoarding cash is due to the expected liability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Boyces beard said: If they use Public liability insurance to pay the victims then that horrible institution are admitting that they are liable for the offences committed. li·able adjective responsible by law; legally answerable Maybe they stockpiled the seventy million to avoid doing that ? OOCS with money paid as a gesture of good will or some such ? No liability taken ? Not a field I know much about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 They are as guilty as the Celtic boys club they claim to have no connection with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I agree with others who have said their public liability insurance will pay out any compensation to victims. Remember, this is not a criminal case, it's a civil case, so will be covered by public liability insurance. The only question I'd have is what is the limit of Celtic's public liability insurance. They'll pay a premium that will cover them up to a certain limit, but I doubt any insurance company would cover an unlimited amount as they'd have no way of weighing up their potential liabilities against the insurance premiums they'd receive. Another thing worth bearing in mind is that this class action only involves a proportion of people who were subjected to abuse. If Celtic settle this case, then I'm sure they'll face further claims from victims who were not party to this action, but have just as much right to compensation. Interesting to see how things unfold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 4 hours ago, buzzbomb1958 said: They wont pay it will be their insurers I'm not sure a clause for sexual abuse liability would be included in any insurance premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 The BBC report refers to the legal action as "American style class action". It mentions this more than once, as if it's not the British thing do do. At least that's my take on it. WASPI/Post Office are only two of several class actions presently ongoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgierulesapply88 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 UK Gov should run an inquiry into this, ScotGov cannot be trusted. Won't happen however, vile institution. A club who claimed it was a separate entity finally admitting guilt. Anybody who allows their child to support these dogs needs their heads examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgierulesapply88 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Section Q said: I'm not sure a clause for sexual abuse liability would be included in any insurance premium. The very reason they have 60 odd million in the bank 👍 they are having to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 8 hours ago, buzzbomb1958 said: They wont pay it will be their insurers You don't get insurance for child abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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