sadj Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Sir Gio said: Not biting! My 12yo though, she would gladly wear the same pair every day. Closet Hobo I'm sure, allergic to the shower 🤣🤣 ffs , if she is then tent in the garden til shes old enough then give her , her jotters Just now, GinRummy said: Ooooh, you’re in trouble now. I used to go out with a lassie from Westhill I’ll have you know and very nice underwear she used to wear as well. Not even wool lined. Westhill eh! Surprised she knew what underwear was coming from there…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Feedback from Brighton and Hove is very favourable it seems. Look forward to getting a look at him in due course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, GinRummy said: You should make a decision either way now mate. Waiting to see him play is just playing it too safe. I like to go by what I call the Hartley equation. Initial whelm over Sad farewell after moments of joy = Career. This can be counter balanced by the Whelan factor. Wow over He can’t be arsed = GTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 If Kingsley is crocked then this signing 100% makes sense, particularly as he's out of contract at the end of the season. Let's hope he comes in, does well, enjoys it up here and signs permanently at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/former-brighton-and-england-coach-gives-verdict-alex-cochranes-potential-move-portsmouth-2915900 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 29 minutes ago, sadj said: we will see what , still not explained what we will see apart from we are getting players ready to play for Hibs. You have lost it with this post How will they be destroyed? Either you are incredibly obstinate or haven’t a ****ing clue about youth development and why players get dropped in and out of teams , go on loan etc. Harry Stone is imo better than Ross Stewart but if it was upto me I wouldn’t throw Harry in to the first team so why would I throw all these youngsters in if I didn’t need to and put them at risk. We have a pathway but its rightfully not going here you are 16 you did ok once you can start every week from now on. Cheers Far too sensible for Bongo 🤣🤣 I use my twitter but avoid most of the comments. Hearts Facebook Groups are mental 🤣 Not looked at one in about two years I think. Easy a year since I was last on fb itself too. Peaceful non negative (apart from the loons on here) lives are best Remind me how much minutes both Doig and Hickey had, before making there debuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 We had players 30-35 years ago at 21,22years old being dependable and taking the responsibility on their shoulders playing for a club like Hearts. It’s time more his age did so now. He’s coming from a good grounding, will come into a proper competitive arena and I have a feeling he’ll warm to it. We need to stop looking at 21 and 22 years olds as “laddies” and start getting them in the mindset it’s their responsibility to perform and not be carried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: glad someone else sees it too. Couldn’t believe what I was reading. Chuck them in sink or swim 🧐 Likewise , utterly insane thing to do , Hickey was an exception not the rule. 3 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Cant have been my Ex Mrs then 🤣🤣 great minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 39 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Or any player we sign that he doesn’t have ITK spidey senses for Really wow🤔 sorry for not getting all Leeds United, about signing a player on loan from Brighton. I hope he lives up to the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Cant have been my Ex Mrs then She’s my ex and not my current and if you had known her you’d know how fantastic that is 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Really wow🤔 sorry for not getting all Leeds United, about signing a player on loan from Brighton. I hope he lives up to the hype. There isn’t any hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Remind me how much minutes both Doig and Hickey had, before making there debuts? Doig I couldn’t tell you as I pay no attention to the greeny hobbity types unless its to laugh at them. Learn to do it it makes life more fun. Hickey is an exception to the rule , he was also in a situation that we shouldnt find ourselves in where we have to throw a player in. You know nothing about youth development and have never been at that level yourself if you think tossing every potentially good player into the first team and just going for it is the correct way to develop them. For 99% of them it definitely isn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I might be wrong here, and not making any point, but was there something in the past that teams who have helped developed players in the way of loans also get a cut of a fee!? Did I just make that up!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, CJGJ said: We have already been told he won't be fit until the start of the League Cup matches......that was announced a couple of weeks ago Nothing to indicate any longer than that 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, TheBigO said: I might be wrong here, and not making any point, but was there something in the past that teams who have helped developed players in the way of loans also get a cut of a fee!? Did I just make that up!? Sounds familiar but not sure if thats maybe just cause its been said on here rather than its fact. 🤣 Just now, hmfc_liam06 said: 👍 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sadj said: Doig I couldn’t tell you as I pay no attention to the greeny hobbity types unless its to laugh at them. Learn to do it it makes life more fun. Hickey is an exception to the rule , he was also in a situation that we shouldnt find ourselves in where we have to throw a player in. You know nothing about youth development and have never been at that level yourself if you think tossing every potentially good player into the first team and just going for it is the correct way to develop them. For 99% of them it definitely isn’t. Says who, having them in and around that first team environment keeps them hungry 😉. But i suppose going out on loan is similar. Hickey is the exception remind me who the lad that is centre midfield for Scotland, who did he go out and learn his trade from. Edited June 28, 2021 by Bongo 1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Cochrane said in his interview he can play left centre back as well, so could come in handy as backup or if we play a 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Newton51 said: I do think we need younger legs in the team. Think we had one of the oldest squads in the championship We did and Robbie stated that he wants to sign mainly players under the age of 26 to bring the average age of the team down. He has done that with Cochrane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, sadj said: Doig I couldn’t tell you as I pay no attention to the greeny hobbity types unless its to laugh at them. Learn to do it it makes life more fun. Hickey is an exception to the rule , he was also in a situation that we shouldnt find ourselves in where we have to throw a player in. You know nothing about youth development and have never been at that level yourself if you think tossing every potentially good player into the first team and just going for it is the correct way to develop them. For 99% of them it definitely isn’t. How many games /loans did cochrane have before making his debut with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Says who, having them in and around that first team environment keeps them hungry 😉. But i suppose going out on loan is similar. Hickey is the exception remind me who the lad that is centre midfield for Scotland, who did he go out and learn his trade from. If you’re referring to Gilmour, he’s played about 15-20 first team games in 2 seasons. The u23 league in England (where Cochrane has also played) is a lot more advanced than the shitty u20s reserve league whatever you wanna call it up here and the standard is a barrel load higher. And FYI, he’s on the verge of signing for Norwich on loan. 👍🏽 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 The way to develop youth players is to chuck them out on loan, so they play in leagues that have no intentions of playing football, and we wonder why are nation is so far off it 😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, RustyRightPeg said: If you’re referring to Gilmour, he’s played about 15-20 first team games in 2 seasons. The u23 league in England (where Cochrane has also played) is a lot more advanced than the shitty u20s reserve league whatever you wanna call it up here and the standard is a barrel load higher. And FYI, he’s on the verge of signing for Norwich on loan. 👍🏽 The fact is he's good enough to play first team football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, King prawn said: Agree with everything except the part in bold. Saying Brighton’s Youth set up is a higher level than the SPL is a bit “Jordan McGhee” I never said that. Brighton are playing at a higher level than Hearts therefore their youth players might not be deemed good enough for the Epl. It's Like us loaning a youth player to the championship or league one as they aren't good enough for the top flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, Bongo 1874 said: The fact is he's good enough to play first team football. Right… again you’ve lost me. Gilmour has only played 15-20 odd games in 2 seasons and you’re saying that’s the bar we should be aiming for our youth players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: If you’re referring to Gilmour, he’s played about 15-20 first team games in 2 seasons. The u23 league in England (where Cochrane has also played) is a lot more advanced than the shitty u20s reserve league whatever you wanna call it up here and the standard is a barrel load higher. And FYI, he’s on the verge of signing for Norwich on loan. 👍🏽 Yeah the league is that advanced that they have actively had to come up to Scotland, to find there talent so advanced that league ohh the English 😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: The way to develop youth players is to chuck them out on loan, so they play in leagues that have no intentions of playing football, and we wonder why are nation is so far off it 😂. How much ‘football’ do you think they’ll play in Robbie Neilson’s side. Get them out to a team where they can play every week and toughen them up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said: The way to develop youth players is to chuck them out on loan, so they play in leagues that have no intentions of playing football, and we wonder why are nation is so far off it 😂. This is a completely different argument though. I agree that we need to fundamentally change the way we do things in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, RustyRightPeg said: Right… again you’ve lost me. Gilmour has only played 15-20 odd games in 2 seasons and you’re saying that’s the bar we should be aiming for our youth players? No you're making out that they have to go out on loan that's the norm yet, Hickey,Doig, Patterson, Gilmour go against you're point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Loan signings from Brighton expectations have been lowered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: Cochrane said in his interview he can play left centre back as well, so could come in handy as backup or if we play a 3. https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/former-brighton-and-england-coach-gives-verdict-alex-cochranes-potential-move-portsmouth-2915900 Worth a read, versatile and good head on his shoulders and a leader. Good soundbites anyhow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said: Can coaches make mistakes on young players 🤔I mean, we only let one go that a club has just turned down more money that what we received for Hickey 🙄. But he wasn't good enough either wasn't the coaches fault, yet the guy who let him go, is now on the radio hoping he does well 🤔. But at the time he considered him not good enough. Just Arsenal, Leeds, Celtic, Watford, Man City all showing interest in him, but Smith our academy is shi** 🙄 these players aren't ready. Ofc coaches make mistakes, but even with Doig ( I assume) , he wasn't good enough for Hearts when he was with us, he wasn't the best player in his position at the club. Players will leave then get older and develop, doesn't mean that at the time when they were teenagers they should have been playing for us, surely you are not suggesting we just play a bus load of youth over better players just in case 1 or 2 get us a fee later on. I cannot see how that will improve Hearts or get us to where we need to be. You really stretch everything to have a go at the club, as suggested you should maybe not only take a break for JKB but Hearts in general. Edited June 28, 2021 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, Sir Gio said: https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/former-brighton-and-england-coach-gives-verdict-alex-cochranes-potential-move-portsmouth-2915900 Worth a read, versatile and good head on his shoulders and a leader. Good soundbites anyhow Yeah, I was pretty meh about this signing when it was announced, but the fact he can play a few roles and is highly thought of makes it sound a fair bit better. Brighton fans speak highly of him as well on their forum. Seems a good character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: No you're making out that they have to go out on loan that's the norm yet, Hickey,Doig, Patterson, Gilmour go against you're point. Gilmour by all accounts is going on loan from Chelsea to Norwich. Obviously Herr Tuchel is not guaranteeing him first team football for Chelsea next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Yeah the league is that advanced that they have actively had to come up to Scotland, to find there talent so advanced that league ohh the English 😂. A barrel load higher than our reserve league is the point I’m making??? Christ you’re difficult and confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Yeah the league is that advanced that they have actively had to come up to Scotland, to find there talent so advanced that league ohh the English 😂. You have totally lost the plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, John Findlay said: Gilmour by all accounts is going on loan from Chelsea to Norwich. Obviously Herr Tuchel is not guaranteeing him first team football for Chelsea next season. I told him that but he doesn’t read what he doesn’t wanna see. His point is complete honky tonk he’d need a cherry picker to get himself out the hole he’s dug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, RustyRightPeg said: I told him that but he doesn’t read what he doesn’t wanna see. His point is complete honky tonk he’d need a cherry picker to get himself out the hole he’s dug. That poster is just a complete nugget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldstone Wonder Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, The Old Tolbooth said: One of their posters commented on their message board and thinks we're a balanced lot Go back further than page 253 and you'll change your mind pal They seem quite a well balanced lot up there - compared to Aberdeen anyway! A bit of negativity of the 'never heard of him', 'we don't need a back up LB' kind, but quite a lot of positivity too. They seem quite well informed ........... "Incoming signing from Brighton." "We're getting someone from Hibs parent club." "Hope it's not Duffy!" Here's a link, for anyone interested; the news breaks around page 253 for those who want to scroll back. https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...ated/page/256/ Yes that made me laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/former-brighton-and-england-coach-gives-verdict-alex-cochranes-potential-move-portsmouth-2915900 Suggest he can play central midfield as well. Left sided central midfielder with pace is something we haven’t really had for a while. Boz was close but short on pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stendelnator Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: No you're making out that they have to go out on loan that's the norm yet, Hickey,Doig, Patterson, Gilmour go against you're point. Gilmour is literally signing for Norwich on loan this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: I never said that. Brighton are playing at a higher level than Hearts therefore their youth players might not be deemed good enough for the Epl. It's Like us loaning a youth player to the championship or league one as they aren't good enough for the top flight. It might not have been what you meant but I highlighted it from your post He hasn’t played for Brighton in the league as far as I can tell so I’m going to stand by the fact he’s a youth player. Still, let’s hope he can make a name for himself with us and put in some good performances when called upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Gilmour by all accounts is going on loan from Chelsea to Norwich. Obviously Herr Tuchel is not guaranteeing him first team football for Chelsea next season. mount also was on loan for two seasons (vitesse and derby) before breaking into chelsea side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Ofc coaches make mistakes, but even with Doig ( I assume) , he wasn't good enough for Hearts when he was with us, he wasn't the best player in his position at the club. Players will leave then get older and develop, doesn't mean that at the time when they were teenagers they should have been playing for us, surely you are not suggesting we just play a bus load of youth over better players just in case 1 or 2 get us a fee later on. I cannot see how that will improve Hearts or get us to where we need to be. You really stretch everything to have a go at the club, as suggested you should maybe not only take a break for JKB but Hearts in general. Doig himself has said that he didn’t do himself justice at Hearts. Wasn’t disciplined or mature enough to realise the opportunity. Hard to blame the coach or coaches that showed him the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, milky_26 said: mount also was on loan for two seasons (vitesse and derby) before breaking into chelsea side James Maddison's loans didn't do him much harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Gilmour by all accounts is going on loan from Chelsea to Norwich. Obviously Herr Tuchel is not guaranteeing him first team football for Chelsea next season. As soon as he gets out of isolation, great move for him to get games with a team that play great football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Ofc coaches make mistakes, but even with Doig ( I assume) , he wasn't good enough for Hearts when he was with us, he wasn't the best player in his position at the club. Players will leave then get older and develop, doesn't mean that at the time when they were teenagers they should have been playing for us, surely you are not suggesting we just play a bus load of youth over better players just in case 1 or 2 get us a fee later on. I cannot see how that will improve Hearts or get us to where we need to be. You really stretch everything to have a go at the club, as suggested you should maybe not only take a break for JKB but Hearts in general. Levein said 5-6 youth players in first team so are you going against his football knowledge?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheBigO said: James Maddison's loans didn't do him much harm. neither did harry kanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, TheBigO said: James Maddison's loans didn't do him much harm. Mcinnes tried to claim credit for his meteoric rise after around a dozen games for the sheep 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Doig himself has said that he didn’t do himself justice at Hearts. Wasn’t disciplined or mature enough to realise the opportunity. Hard to blame the coach or coaches that showed him the door. did he go out on loan though ?!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, John Findlay said: That poster is just a complete nugget Okay John 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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